For What It's Worth... Does Malcolm X Deserve A National Holiday, Too?

Ming Fei Hong

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Happy MLK Day! :yes:
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MLK Day: BUT What About Malcolm X?

Today a group of us went to hear Dr. James Cone, systematic theology professor at Union Theological Seminary, preach at Elmwood United Presbyterian Church. Many of us were wondering what Cone was going to preach on, considering that he had just written a book entitled Martin & Malcom & America: A Dream or a Nightmare? But first, the service was absolutely incredible. They had a mass choir of about 4-5 churches who had combined, and it was so powerful. It’s been awhile since I’ve heard good black gospel music, and it was such a great experience to be able to worship with that tradition this morning. It was a welcome, and much-needed change, from my regular Sunday morning experience.

I don’t know if anyone has been able to hear Dr. Cone speak before, but it was also amazing. He spoke for about an hour or so, but it really didn’t feel like it. And he did basically summarize and go through his argument in his book on Martin King and Malcolm X. He began by reading us quotes from both Martin King and Malcolm that sounded very similar and then shared with us all the various ways that Martin King has been honored, commemorated and almost given ’sainthood’ by Christians and the American government as a whole with the National Holiday to celebrate King’s birth. And yet, what has there been done to do the same for Malcolm X? Other than Spike Lee’s movie which help bring knowledge of Malcolm X to the general public…not a whole lot.


Cone’s thesis is that we need to look to both Martin King and Malcolm X
in order to seek a peace that will bring about freedom. He believes that both were working toward the same goal: freedom; it is just that both had different paths which they were following. Holding either one alone is not of a full enough vision of the pursuit of freedom - we need both King & Malcolm X. Both were striving toward freedom, and working for the respect, dignity and humanity of the black person. However, each was sensitive to their geographical area and because of that, had to response differently. Cone believes that while King’s nonviolent approach related well to his Christian faith, it was also one of the only routes possible for King. If blacks had responded with violence in the south, the whites were only too ready for that, and it would have been a bloodbath. However, they were not prepared for, nor did they really understand how to handle King’s nonviolent approach.

What Martin Luther did for the poor black Christians in the south, Malcolm X was doing for the ghetto blacks in the north, by affirming their blackness. Malcolm X arose out of the pits of the violence and drug culture of the black ghettos and was a "Daniel" to them - he spoke with a strong, powerful and courageous rhetoric and inspired the blacks of Harlem to walk with a dignity that they too were created with a humanity and to be willing to fight for that right to humanity. He believed that the worst crime that Americans committed against the blacks in the ghetto was to teach them to hate themselves. So, because of this, Malcolm found his power not in the nonviolent roots of the Christian faith, but rather in Islam and the power of affirming the blackness and African-ness of blacks in the north. King looked to being a good American while Malcolm X attempted to help blacks experience their true blackness and not forgot or try to cut ties to their heritage, history and past with Africa.

What was interesting about Cone’s passionate analysis was that he said for blacks in the ghettos in the north, it may have been even worse than for the blacks in the south. Blacks in the north, instead of having to deal with white bigots, had to deal with white liberals, who although they supported the civil rights movement and hoped for equal rights for blacks, they had essentially created the ghettos which were the problem in the north. So, according to Cone, the hypocritic white liberals in the north were just as bad, if not more so, than the white bigots (especially the white Christians) in the south.

There needs to be, according to Cone, a balance of understanding the issues when it comes to Martin King and Malcolm X. They represent the yin and the yang for the soul of the black person in American today, Cone said. He believes that until whites restore the full dignity of Malcolm X, we will know that we will never have true freedom for all people. Cone wrapped up with a quote from Malcolm X: "While Dr. King was having a dream, the rest of us negroes were having a nightmare."

There certainly is a huge lack of education about Malcolm X in our public schools - I learned a lot today about Malcolm X. Of course, we all hear about Martin Luther King, Jr from day one.

All in all, it was definitely worth the hour-long trip up to East Orange, NJ. Cone was amazing, the music was off-the-chain, and it was just a really great experience.

Does anyone have any thoughts about Martin Luther and Malcolm X? Why DON’T we honor Malcolm X? :dunno:

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It doesn't take the white man to honor anybody. If you want to make a holiday, you make one wether or not they respect it. That's it.
 
It's more important to make sure that the next generation is properly educated to who brother Malcolm was and what he contributed to society. That starts in the home...a holiday doesn't do anything but gives stores an excuse to slash prices by 20%.
 
It doesn't take the white man to honor anybody. If you want to make a holiday, you make one wether or not they respect it. That's it.

That's not the question. I already honor the brother, as does very many other people (not just Black). The question is does the man deserve a NATIONAL holiday? Yes/No and Why/Why Not, please. :hmm:
 
It's more important to make sure that the next generation is properly educated to who brother Malcolm was and what he contributed to society. That starts in the home...a holiday doesn't do anything but gives stores an excuse to slash prices by 20%.

Which is exactly one of the main benefits of having a National Holiday in one's honor, fam.
 
Which is exactly one of the main benefits of having a National Holiday in one's honor, fam.

I think that holidays do a dis-service and only tell half of the story for most historical figures. For example, Columbus Day still has people brainwashed into thinking that he actually discovered America. I think that educating the young one's in the home gives more of an objective view of the who, what, when, where and how.
 
i feel you bro. but it would mean more if you honor him in your heart. another holiday would be another excuse for these kids to be out of school. i used to be that way, now i see the negative behind it. some people dont even know martin luther king's real damn birthday
 
i feel you bro. but it would mean more if you honor him in your heart. another holiday would be another excuse for these kids to be out of school. i used to be that way, now i see the negative behind it. some people dont even know martin luther king's real damn birthday

Can we all agree that it's not a matter of either/or? Most people who celebrate Christmas (including Atheists... lol) could give a rat's ass about Christ, but they swap gifts just the same. Also, I had a 5 year old white girl from Tennessee attempt to school me on who MLK was at a Whole Food's deli in Los Angeles this morning. Her mother was embarassed, but I gave her props for teaching her daughter so well. She said, "I'd love to take credit, but she learned about him in school... with the holiday and all. It's all they've been talking about for days and she's fired up! [laugh] We'll so am I, so I can't blame her, eh?" At this point it was clear that mom dukes was trying to... well... you already know what's up, but I digress! lol... Anyway... The holiday does a lot more help than harm.
 
I think that holidays do a dis-service and only tell half of the story for most historical figures. For example, Columbus Day still has people brainwashed into thinking that he actually discovered America. I think that educating the young one's in the home gives more of an objective view of the who, what, when, where and how.

I agree... They've turned MLK into a messianic Disney character. Not a peep about some pretty unflattering vices and more aggressive beliefs, but hey, I'm not complaining that he's getting the JFK treatment in that regard.


It's not either/or.
 
Does he deserve one? sure. Do I think it will make a difference? No.

I think a better solution would be more of a "Civil Rights Awareness Day" and use MLK Day to commemorate that and honor those past and present that are striving for equality.

It will only go noticed by those that care to pay attention but that is the case with all "holidays"
 
Forget about special days, weeks, months or holidays dedicated to significant historical figures. We need to make a stink about schools integrating these figures into the regular cirriculum. It's a damn shame what some schools teach in the way of Black History. It's s wonder many of these kids don't know shit about Black history...or history in general.
 
Forget about special days, weeks, months or holidays dedicated to significant historical figures. We need to make a stink about schools integrating these figures into the regular cirriculum. It's a damn shame what some schools teach in the way of Black History. It's s wonder many of these kids don't know shit about Black history...or history in general.

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Malcolm was the man!,,, but even if they did,,, the situation for Blacks in this country will still be serverely unequal & fucked up,,, all it will be good for is another day off work.
 
He does to me. In Fact, we should take off Any Fuckin day we want.


Harriett Tubman Day
Nat Turner Day
Marcus Garvey Day
Chuck D. DAY!
KRS One DAY!


Fuck the White Man.
 
Malcolm was the man!,,, but even if they did,,, the situation for Blacks in this country will still be serverely unequal & fucked up,,, all it will be good for is another day off work.


This is true on some level, but I wouldn't sat that tha's ALL it would be good for. We can never underestimate the power of inspiration. It may not be the flame that burns down the house of ill repute, but it may just be the spark that starts the flame. :yes:
 
Forget about special days, weeks, months or holidays dedicated to significant historical figures. We need to make a stink about schools integrating these figures into the regular cirriculum. It's a damn shame what some schools teach in the way of Black History. It's s wonder many of these kids don't know shit about Black history...or history in general.

For real. I didn't even know about Paul Robeson until I was 16. I learned about him in an advanced placement class taught by a Hispanic professor. :smh::smh:
 
he deserves one but will never get one. White people will always remember him for calling ALL white people devils. Even though he later changed his views, that is the way they will remember him.
 
Yes, I Would Say Brotha Malcolm X Deserves A Holiday As Well.

I Got Respect For Both Dr. King And Malcolm X.
 
one of the most unheralded and forgotten brothers in the struggle is Medgar Evers. anyway it should be Civil Rights day as opposed to MLK day. there are many who fought the fight. How about Thurgood Marshall and Adam Clayton Powell?

MLK day is an insult in that it's like white folks saying okay negras you have one day to get that shit out your system then it's back to the cotton fields

even more insulting to say you have one month to talk about Black history in the schools then STFU.

I never heard of any civil rights activists other than MLK, Rosa Parks and Thurgood Marshall except outside of school. oh of course they tried to make us believe LBJ was a civil rights activist.
 
I read "Martin & Malcom & America: A Dream or a Nightmare?" in the joint, of course at that time I identified with Malcolm more than Martin, and still do, just the circumstances I had to deal with in life...there are many who celebrate Malcolm's Day of Entry, along with Nat Turner as well, Black August, so of course I support a more Nationally recognized Day, but Malcolm's universal approach as a prophet was still different than Martin's and I hope that Malcolm's message doesn't get watered down in the pursuit of that...


Great Post by the way Ming....
 
It doesn't take the white man to honor anybody. If you want to make a holiday, you make one wether or not they respect it. That's it.

Cosign. Not only should we celebrate Malcolm and Martin. We should also celebrate brother Nat (Turner).
 
For me, Mallcolm X Day has always been a holiday. But to answer your question, yes, Malcolm deserves a National Holiday. I identified more with Malcolm than I did with Martin...but I respected them both the same.
 
niggas is gettin greedy now. we have a fucking month dedicated towards all black people.

Shut up Bitch you must be white...

Until someone I respect from SOL says differently, Hoe, you are white....

I'm sorry for disrespecting your thread, Ming, but this fuck cracka, had it coming....



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YBO
 
That's not the question. I already honor the brother, as does very many other people (not just Black). The question is does the man deserve a NATIONAL holiday? Yes/No and Why/Why Not, please. :hmm:

I agree. I already honor the brotha because him and I share the same birthday. However, even thought I THINK he should, it will never happen. Martin LOVED white people and people as a whole. I'm sure he slipped up once and a while and called them cracka in private but he still had no problems with whites.

Malcolm on the other hand, he outwardly called white people devils and even though he later allowed white people to participate in the cause, it might have already been stained in most white folks head that this negro doesn't really care for us.

But the thought of a National holiday on the man's birthday, that would be great for the both of us! :yes::yes::yes:
 
Shut up Bitch you must be white...

Until someone I respect from SOL says differently, Hoe, you are white....

I'm sorry for disrespecting your thread, Ming, but this fuck cracka, had it coming....



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YBO

far from a cracka...but im just saying we honor him as much as MLK in Feb.
 
I agree. I already honor the brotha because him and I share the same birthday. However, even thought I THINK he should, it will never happen. Martin LOVED white people and people as a whole. I'm sure he slipped up once and a while and called them cracka in private but he still had no problems with whites.

Malcolm on the other hand, he outwardly called white people devils and even though he later allowed white people to participate in the cause, it might have already been stained in most white folks head that this negro doesn't really care for us.

But the thought of a National holiday on the man's birthday, that would be great for the both of us! :yes::yes::yes:

This is one of the biggest lies ever told about Malcolm..yet noone can show an example of such. When he left the NOI and formed his own org, whites were still barred. But anyway...
 
one of the most unheralded and forgotten brothers in the struggle is Medgar Evers. anyway it should be Civil Rights day as opposed to MLK day. there are many who fought the fight. How about Thurgood Marshall and Adam Clayton Powell?

MLK day is an insult in that it's like white folks saying okay negras you have one day to get that shit out your system then it's back to the cotton fields

even more insulting to say you have one month to talk about Black history in the schools then STFU.

I never heard of any civil rights activists other than MLK, Rosa Parks and Thurgood Marshall except outside of school. oh of course they tried to make us believe LBJ was a civil rights activist.

yea in school they have that era kinda watered down now that you look back,

For real. I didn't even know about Paul Robeson until I was 16. I learned about him in an advanced placement class taught by a Hispanic professor. :smh::smh:

this is true because this is the first time i've seen that name, guess I have to goggle it, see this is the reason you have to love BGOL......

niggas is gettin greedy now. we have a fucking month dedicated towards all black people.

ole boy,
 
This is one of the biggest lies ever told about Malcolm..yet noone can show an example of such. When he left the NOI and formed his own org, whites were still barred. But anyway...

Whites were able to support...but not participate
 
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