Fellows our “raw no pull out” motto has fallen on deaf ears!!!! Birth rates, world wide are disturbingly low!!!!

easy_b

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Inflation in combination with the gay agenda are your two main ingredients.
Again that doesn’t have anything to do with this because this has been going on for the last 30 to 40 years and it accelerated the last 15 to 20 years. There’s a lot of people especially white people just can’t have kids. I had a coworker at my old job who couldn’t have kids and he tried with his wife. Although his wife has kids from another man.
 

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These hoes out here eating all the sperm instead of getting it squirted up in them.
No, like I keep saying, especially with white people there is something biological going on. If you go to South Atlanta, it seems like a baby factory down there right now but in white areas people only have no more than two kids if they are having kids. This is why the demographics of Georgia for example is changing rapidly
 

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I’m curious if there was no rePiglican or demoRats who some of y’all blame


Smh


Another graph on births


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You can’t even pay people to have more kids​

These countries tried everything from cash to patriotic calls to duty to reverse drastically declining birth rates. It didn’t work.​

Anna NorthNov 27, 2023, 8:00am EST
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You can’t even pay people to have more kids

These countries tried everything from cash to patriotic calls to duty to reverse drastically declining birth rates. It didn’t work.

Anna NorthNov 27, 2023, 8:00am EST
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Taiwan has spent more than $3 billion trying to get its citizens to have more children.

In 2009, after decades of falling birth rates, it began offering six months of paid parental leave, reimbursed at 60 percent of a new parent’s salary — then recently increased that share to 80 percent. The government has introduced a cash benefit and a tax break for parents of young children, and has invested in child care centers.

Perhaps having exhausted more conventional approaches, current and would-be lawmakers have started getting creative: Authorities have hosted several singles mixers in an effort to get young people to pair up. Terry Gou, a candidate in next year’s Taiwanese presidential election, has even proposed giving people a free pet if they have a child. “If there is no birthrate in the future, who will take care of our furry friends?” he said. “So I have put these two issues together.”

If history is any guide, none of this will work: No matter what governments do to convince them to procreate, people around the world are having fewer and fewer kids.

In the US, the birth rate has been falling since the Great Recession, dropping almost 23 percent between 2007 and 2022. Today, the average American woman has about 1.6 children, down from three in 1950, and significantly below the “replacement rate” of 2.1 children needed to sustain a stable population. In Italy, 12 people now die for every seven babies born. In South Korea, the birth rate is down to 0.81 children per woman. In China, after decades of a strictly enforced one-child policy, the population is shrinking for the first time since the 1960s. In Taiwan, the birth rate stands at 0.87.

The drop has frightened lawmakers and commentators alike, with headlines warning of a coming “demographic crisis” or “Great People Shortage” as economies find themselves without enough young workers to fill jobs and pay taxes. To stem the tide, the world’s leaders have tried everything from generous social welfare programs to pink-and-blue awareness campaigns to five-figure checks to veiled threats, all to relatively little avail. “Even the richest, savviest, most committed governments have struggled to find policies that produce sustained bumps in fertility,” Trent MacNamara, a history professor at Texas A&M who has written about fertility rates, told Vox in an email. “If such policies were discoverable, I think someone would have discovered them.”

The failure of dozens of often very expensive pronatalist policies to produce much of a return has policymakers and observers alike wondering whether there’s any way for governments to convince their citizens to have more babies. If not, what should lawmakers should be doing instead to help societies adapt to a demographically changing world?

How politicians have tried to convince people to have babies

In many ways, the falling birth rate is a success story — the result of young people, especially women, having more options and freedoms than ever before. For example, women are better able to control their fertility than in decades past. The Dobbs decision and subsequent state bans on abortion may change that calculus in the US, but prior to the fall of Roe, teen births and unintended births were on the decline, and the use of highly effective contraception methods was on the rise.

Recently, however, declining fertility has stoked anxieties around the world, as leaders face down the prospect of slowing growth and aging populations. Fewer births do have real consequences for how families and societies operate. In 2010, for example, there were more than seven family members available to care for each person over the age of 80; by 2030, there will be only four. An aging society also means fewer workers in key industries and fewer people paying into programs like social security.

These prospects tend to elicit panic among conservatives, who take a moralistic — and sometimes xenophobic — tone in addressing the issue. Sen. J.D. Vance (R-OH) has warned of the dangers of the “childless left” and its “rejection of the American family.” In China, male Community Party officials at a recent meeting on women’s issues bypassed any talk of gender equality and instead urged women to “establish a correct outlook on marriage and love, childbirth, and family.” In Hungary, Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has exhorted citizens to reproduce rather than allowing the country’s population to grow through immigration, saying, “Migration for us is surrender.”

But concerns about birth rates go beyond the rhetoric of right-wing politicians. Governments like Taiwan’s have spent billions of dollars and tried all manner of incentives to cajole or even bribe people into having more babies. Many European countries that experienced plummeting fertility in the 1980s and ’90s have adopted pro-family policies, often including paid parental leave, publicly supported child care, or a combination thereof, said Philip Cohen, a sociology professor at the University of Maryland who studies demographic trends and family structure. Austria, for example, lengthened maternity leave to 2.5 years. Germany increased investment in child care and early education, and then, in 2013, affirmed that every child over the age of 1 had the right to a spot in a public daycare.

Other countries have tried direct payments to parents: Russia began offering a one-time sum of about $7,000 to families with more than two kids, while Italy and Greece have experimented with per-child “baby bonuses.” In 2019, Hungary introduced a loan of around $30,000 to newlyweds. If they have three children, the loan is forgiven.

Public-education campaigns have also emerged, essentially begging people to reproduce. In Copenhagen, for example, a 2015 poster asked, “Have you counted your eggs today?” In 2012, the Singaporean government partnered with Mentos to release a rap video encouraging couples to “make Singapore’s birth rate spike.” (“Only financially secure adults in stable, committed, long-term relationships should participate,” the campaign clarified.)

So far, most countries have tried either asking people nicely to reproduce or sweetening the deal with money. If that doesn’t work, however, restricting people’s reproductive choices may be on the table, especially in more autocratic regimes. In Iran, where the government in the 1990s made birth control cheap or free in an effort to curb population growth, authorities are now cracking down on abortion and contraception as part of a drive to boost births. In the US, abortion bans have not generally been explicitly promoted as population-boosting measures, but some see them that way. New House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) has linked falling birth rates and demographic change with abortion, arguing that Roe v. Wade was responsible for a dearth of American workers. “We’re all struggling here to cover the bases of Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid and all the rest,” he said in a committee hearing. “If we had all those able-bodied workers in the economy, we wouldn’t be going upside down and toppling over like this.”

In China, some are concerned that exhortations for women to cease working and have children could translate into punishments for women who don’t comply. “If the party could sacrifice women’s body and birth rights for its one-child policy,” Fubing Su, a political science professor at Vassar College, told the New York Times, “they could impose their will on women again.”

Why it’s so hard to convince people to procreate

From loans to speeches about traditional values, government efforts have generally failed to make much impact on people’s childbearing decisions. They may shift the timing of childbirth, but they “don’t ultimately affect the number of kids people have,” said Alison Gemmill, a professor of population, family, and reproductive health at Johns Hopkins University.

One reason may be that decisions around childbearing are influenced by larger social factors that are outside the scope of government policy — including the growing number of choices people have about how to spend their lives. As education and economic productivity have increased over time, the “opportunity cost” of having a child has grown as well, said Cohen, the sociology professor. “People, especially women, have more lucrative things to do.”

Public-service campaigns and government-sponsored singles events, which often have the awkward aura of a high-school health teacher lecturing students about sex, typically meet with skepticism. The three mixers held by the city of Tainan, Taiwan, since 2019 have yet to produce a single wedding, let alone a child, according to the Los Angeles Times.

In the US, meanwhile, rhetoric aimed at getting people to have more children can ring hollow given a racist history in which white motherhood has been lauded while Black women’s fertility has been viewed as disordered and suspect, to the point that Black women have been forcibly sterilized. In a country where Black women die in childbirth at nearly three times the rate of white women, it’s impossible to hear calls to increase the birth rate without questioning who they’re really aimed at. Black women have always understood, “You’re not talking about me when you’re saying these things,” said Regina Davis Moss, president of the nonprofit In Our Own Voice: National Black Women’s Reproductive Justice Agenda. Indeed, college-educated Black women in the US have fewer children than their white counterparts, with researchers speculating that concerns about maternal mortality could be a reason why.

Fears for the future may also play a role in declining birth rates around the world. “Young adults are living in a world which is characterized by many crises,” from war to climate change to the erosion of democratic norms in the US and elsewhere, said Jessica Nisén, a family demographer at the University of Turku in Finland.

The lack of family-friendly policies like paid leave and subsidized child care could also contribute to falling fertility in the US. There’s evidence, for example, that some people are having fewer children than they want. In a 2018 US poll, about a quarter of respondents said they had or were planning to have fewer kids than they would ideally like to have. Of those, 64 percent cited the cost of child care as a reason. Ballooning costs — of child care, housing, college, and more — are an issue around the world, with South Korea and China topping the list of most expensive places to raise a child. “When you ask people, why aren’t you having the kids that you want, we do see economic reasons come to the fore,” said Gemmill.

Yet even in countries like Sweden and Norway, known worldwide for their generous parental leave and other supports, fertility has begun to decline. These countries do have higher birth rates than some of their neighbors, and it’s possible that their drops would be starker without policies like child care and paid leave in place, Nisén said. It’s also possible that people in the Nordic countries are delaying having kids instead of skipping it altogether, and that the birth rate will pick up later on.

At a certain point, however, delayed births become foregone as people age out of their reproductive years. Many experts told Vox they believe that there’s no going back to a time when people had lots of kids in their 20s. “I just don’t see that happening,” Gemmill said. “People just want time to grow and develop.”

There are policies that can help people create the families they want

That leaves policymakers with the question of what they can do. For a lot of experts, the answer is nothing. “I’m basically against having birth rates be a policy target,” Cohen said. “Anything you do to influence this is going to have very probable bad side effects, and any benefits you get are likely to be very small and very long term.”

Instead of trying to boost birth rates, experts say lawmakers should focus on policies that allow people to have the families they want, regardless of size. “We need to invest in people and their success,” Gemmill said. In the US, that means measures to improve access to high-quality jobs, paid leave, and affordable child care, as well as supporting families in the transition to parenthood. “We always hear that it takes a village, but that village is just not what it used to be,” Gemmill said. “It just seems like everything’s set up to be very hostile to parents.”

Equitable family policy in the US also includes investment in health care for Black birthing people, including maternal mental health and “access to providers who look like us,” Moss said. Any discussion of fertility and birth rates also needs to address the safety of children, including overpolicing, racist violence, and the spiking rate of gun deaths. “We want to be able to raise our children in safe and healthy environments,” Moss said.

Reforms to family policy may not produce the jump in birth rates that some are hoping for, experts say. Countries may find themselves needing to adapt, both economically and socially, to an aging population.

They might also recognize that shrinking family size isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Lower birth rates around the world could lessen environmental degradation, competition for resources, and even global conflict, Wang Feng, a sociology professor at UC Irvine, writes in the New York Times.

Nor is falling fertility necessarily a permanent condition. The baby boom that began in the 1940s “took everyone by surprise,” MacNamara, the Texas A&M historian, said. “Exactly zero demographers saw it coming. Even today no one is quite sure why it happened and why it lasted so long.” It’s entirely possible, he said, that another boom could hit the US, just as unpredictably as the last.

It’s also possible that lawmakers can indirectly create conditions under which people feel optimistic about having kids. Most high-income countries, including the US, experienced dips in birth rate in early 2021, as people responded to the Covid-19 pandemic by delaying or forgoing pregnancy. But a few countries, including Norway and Finland, actually saw a jump in births.

These countries did not experience particularly high mortality or infection rates, and highly educated workers in particular may have been minimally impacted by the devastation of Covid — while enjoying more free time and flexibility thanks to working from home, Nisén said. There’s another potential factor as well: “Finland is a country where people trust in their government quite strongly,” Nisén said. That trust may have mitigated the uncertainty people felt around the pandemic, and helped them feel secure in growing their families.

Trust is a hard thing to legislate, but it’s unlikely to result from policies that are repressive or that seek to turn back the clock on women’s economic or social progress. Lawmakers might just have to accept that they can’t control how many children people have. “It’s better just to help the population take care of their needs,” Cohen said, “and let them decide.”
 

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I’m curious if there was no rePiglican or demoRats who some of y’all blame


Smh


Another graph on births


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First of all, it’s Democrats I told you about this before anyways….. white people stop having kids this is why Black and Hispanic people are growing our rapid rate. If it wasn’t for the baby boomer population, this would have happened 40 to 50 years ago. Now white people are at the fork at the road and I told y’all they are going to fuck up shit going out the door
 

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The story that “Ukraine now has world’s lowest TFR” is back again. Ukraine claimed ~ 195,000 births last year. When taking into account the millions of women aged 18-45 who have left the country their TFR was above 0.90. This year likely also above 0.70.

Ukrainian TFR within Ukraine may be closer to~1.1-1.2. Still far lower than the 1.4 TFR of the Russian Federation for 2022. Could Ukrainian TFR be as low as 0.70 for 2023 if the entire female population that fled Ukraine is included? Possibly. Just don’t find that likely but for 2023 sub 1.0 for all Ukrainian women in both Ukraine and spread across Europe certainly could be that low.

Remember of the 6.3 million plus refugees who left Ukraine during 2022 & have not yet returned (according to the United Nations Refugee Agency) more than half are women & a third are minors. So 195,000 2022 births with a population of women 3M+ smaller than 2021 should be higher than 0.90.

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No, no no the population for certain groups in America. Mainly white people has been dropping for 40 years, but it has accelerated the last 15 years. Europe is really getting hit hard. Japan, and now China is getting into the mix. The only continent that is producing a good amount kids is you guessed it Africa. When I made post like this, I always say there is something biological going on, especially with white people that is caused them not to have so much kids anymore. Remember the movie “children of men”.

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SUCH an underrated movie!
 

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No, like I keep saying, especially with white people there is something biological going on. If you go to South Atlanta, it seems like a baby factory down there right now but in white areas people only have no more than two kids if they are having kids. This is why the demographics of Georgia for example is changing rapidly

The problem is honkeys want to live nowhere near "you people", and it is costly to do that. How do you keep your personal costs down. Have less dependents which equals more money for you to afford the expensive neighborhoods away from "you people". Nowhere is this playing out in real time like Long Island.

On one end you got the Black and Hispanics bringing their "things" with them. Then you have the Asian either winning all the awards at school, their smell, or their iron clad gates they have passing off as front doors fucking up the aesthetics of the neighborhood.
 

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No, like I keep saying, especially with white people there is something biological going on. If you go to South Atlanta, it seems like a baby factory down there right now but in white areas people only have no more than two kids if they are having kids. This is why the demographics of Georgia for example is changing rapidly

Trust me, whatevet year "head" became popular, the birthrate dropped. Bitches drinking that skeet. These motherfucking hoes consider it birth control.
 

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“ Russia births have been much better than expected with a drop of only 3% for the first 10 months of 2023. Births for 2023 are likely to be above 1,250,000 & will probably be between 1,180,000 & 1,220,000 next year. Not great but certainly not terrible.”
 

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“Not a bad result for Kazakhstan in 2023. Births⬇️3.3% but TFR still maintained at ~3.0. Kazakhstan enters 2024 as a fairly prosperous nation of 20 million with enviable demographics, a GDP per capita (PPP) of $33,120 & has seen the titular nation recover to be 70% of population.

Kazakhstan has also repatriated 1,128,000 ethnic Kazakhs from neighboring countries since 1991. Remember that in 1897 83% of the territory was ethnic Kazakh then it fell to just 37% in the 1930s after the Asharshylyk (Goloshchyokin genocide) & is now 70% today.”
 

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“Bolivia (the last high TFR country in Latin America) has seen its TFR fall to just 2.5. All of Latin America looks set to fall below replacement fertility by 2030. Paraguay, Bolivia & Guatemala may even take the plunge earlier than that.

Interestingly, Mennonites are responsible for up to 3% of total Bolivian births now. They demographically win huge wherever they go.”
 

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“ Russia births have been much better than expected with a drop of only 3% for the first 10 months of 2023. Births for 2023 are likely to be above 1,250,000 & will probably be between 1,180,000 & 1,220,000 next year. Not great but certainly not terrible.”
I’m a little dubious about the information for Russia. Remember, China was lying for a few years until people caught up with them sooooo
 

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rents high
eggs is high
houses high

it makes no sense for anyone to purposely have kids these days

not to mention half of these new niggas prolly ain't even got working sperm (paws) from the pills and drank
these heaux ain't even worth nuttin in no mo either
Oh wow


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“Taiwan has had another mediocre demographic performance in 2023 (through not as bad as it could have been). Even if births surge up to 15% in 2024 TFR could stay⬇️1.0. Terrible position to be in. Taiwan (along with South Korea) on the precipice of total demographic capitulation.

It is highly doubtful that Taiwan will see a birth boom of more than 10% in the Year of the Dragon. Births will increase sure, but by how much is the question. Looking at Taiwanese Dragon year birth increases year on year in 2000 (~8%) and 2012 (~15%) gives us some clue. The increase looks set to be slightly less dramatic than in 2012 but even if they came close to repeating that feat TFR would still stay below 1.0.”
 

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“Unlike most of Europe (where some countries did not even enjoy any true postwar baby boom at all) the United States was blessed with not 1 but 2 baby boom sized cohorts. The 1st from 1946-1964. The 2nd Gen Z from 1997-2012 (lower TFR but huge # of births). There will almost certainly not be a third. While births may very well rebound to the 3.7-3.9 million range it is highly doubtful that America will have any more near decade long stretches of 4M plus births. If very lucky the US will keep TFR above 1.5. This is said not out of pessimism but rather out of recognition of the data.”
 

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@omgitsfrosty48883 months ago
I like how the lack of births will lead to an economic disaster, but nobody is having kids because the economy already sucks


 

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@omgitsfrosty48883 months ago
I like how the lack of births will lead to an economic disaster, but nobody is having kids because the economy already sucks



This is the same thing that starting to happen to a lot of white people around the world, especially poor and middle class ones. People the reason why so many people are waving warning flags around because this is really happening to white people. Black people in this world, especially in Africa. I spitting out kids like it’s no tomorrow.
 
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“Bad demographic news from New Zealand. Births fell to just 56,955 and the country saw a natural increase of only 19,071 which is the lowest since 1943. The total fertility rate also hit its lowest level in history, falling below 1.6. “
 
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