Flip phones on a pre-paid plan are untraceable.
Feds Walk Into A Building, Demand Everyone's Fingerprints To Open Phones
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Flip phones on a pre-paid plan are untraceable.
You and Kayanation are both correct, they can trace the phone even with a flip phone, but as you stated they may not be able to track the person who owns the phone with a burner prepaid flip phone...
Thanks... I was just getting ready to clarify that. Walk into Walmart. .pick up a phone for 20 bucks, pick up a pre-paid card, activate the card and start talking. No ID required.
but why would you want to do that? I value my privacy and all but I doubt the feds who are always listening give a fuck about you.
Crazy
I wouldn't "want" to do that. Just putting out information is all...if you don't know now you know.
I was thinking the same exact thing too. I have a little bit of IT knowledge and the little bit of IT knowledge tells me that no phone is secure. There are people on this earth that can get all the information of your phone from an entirely different country. If they can do that, i know for sure that the government has more advanced methods than them, its just a matter of it being "justifiable" or not. We all know how the government defines the word "justifiable" -- anything they want it to be.
If you are doing naything illegal its best to stay away from any technology though. Lets say you have a burner but the feds have a idea where you are they can just monitor all calls within that area and use voice recognition to find you. That's how they caught Pablo escobar, long before the nsa had the access they have today so just imagine what they are capable of today.
Where did I say they were right or justified in what they are trying to do OR that I agreed with it?!?!!?! Quote that post where I said that.... Stop assuming Dude, not a good quality to have at all....
On ignore you go.
Thanks
lol i know that, but can you program that lets say your index finger will delete everything and your pointer finger can unlock your phone?
True I've seen it movies so I'm sue it 10x advance than what they're showing
Please detail how to do this?
But they can still seize passwords, even if the evidence isn't admissible?
"According to the memorandum, signed off by U.S. attorney for the Central District of California Eileen Decker, the government asked for even more than just fingerprints: “While the government does not know ahead of time the identity of every digital device or fingerprint (or indeed, every other piece of evidence) that it will find in the search, it has demonstrated probable cause that evidence may exist at the search location, and needs the ability to gain access to those devices and maintain that access to search them. For that reason, the warrant authorizes the seizure of ‘passwords, encryption keys, and other access devices that may be necessary to access the device,’” the document read."
They can't make you tell your code... They can take stuff you have written/typed somewhere, but not what you know. That's my understanding... Bgol lawyers can clear it up if I'm mistaken
key word there is warrant...
what was being discussed in op is w/o warrant
No, it still concerns a warrant:
FORBES found a court filing, dated May 9 2016, in which the Department of Justice sought to search a Lancaster, California, property. But there was a more remarkable aspect of the search, as pointed out in the memorandum: “authorization to depress the fingerprints and thumbprints of every person who is located at the SUBJECT PREMISES during the execution of the search and who is reasonably believed by law enforcement to be the user of a fingerprint sensor-enabled device that is located at the SUBJECT PREMISES and falls within the scope of the warrant.” The warrant was not available to the public, nor were other documents related to the case.
The dispute what that warrant can cover:
Legal experts were shocked at the government’s request. “They want the ability to get a warrant on the assumption that they will learn more after they have a warrant,” said Marina Medvin of Medvin Law. “Essentially, they are seeking to have the ability to convince people to comply by providing their fingerprints to law enforcement under the color of law – because of the fact that they already have a warrant. They want to leverage this warrant to induce compliance by people they decide are suspects later on. This would be an unbelievably audacious abuse of power if it were permitted.”
my bad the op was a warrant but thats normal wrangling - but IMO the real problem in this thread:
RIGHT NOW an agent of the law can compel you to unlock biometric locks with force sans warrant... legally! and fully admissible in court
for decades the standard has been they cannot compel you to open a traditional lock (key), combo lock, or pin with force nor can they physically open break in or bypass without warrant or permission of the owner
Hopefully you didn't use your bank card for the transaction.
However Walmart still accounts for sales.
Point of sale can be determined which includes timestamp (day, hour, minute, second)
Register can be determined
Camera video can be searched by timestamp.
Who you call can be determined
Who called you can be determined
Your gps can still be determined
And the beauty of all of this is that the technology exists to make this query run in < 1 sec
Fuck around and you will get touched if the motivation is there.......
Yes. I back it up. I just don't like the idea some LE is going to force me to open my phone and violate my rights.10 tries?
Did you back it up?
My point is that with the backup they can still get access.
If it's a cloud backup, they already have what they need.
If it's a local backup they can seize your laptop and crack your easy ass password lol
I got you bro. I have a encrypted drive. I will do my backup on it. Thanks for the heads up.
cool.
Encryption is the way to go (short term).
Most encryption can be cracked with time and computing power (cloud).
It's illegal to export encryption algorithms.
The gov't needs to be able to control encryption and so decrypt shit for "our safety" i.e. intelligence gathering.
I can't believe the country is going along with this tactic. I sent the story link to the WH and asked about the policy. We can not let them get away with illegal searches and seizures. If we let them go this far, whats next, cameras in our bedroom or in our whole house in the name of terrorism? These lazy ass LEOs need to get up to speed and use technology like face recognition to catch these bad players in the country.
hahaha.......
who is "we"?
who is "the country"? the common people in America?
the same mofos who think Obama is a muslim:
The percentage was higher for Republicans alone -- 43 percent thought Obama is Muslim, compared with 15 percent of Democrats and 29 percent of independents.Nov 23, 2015
15% of Democrats
Think about that
and you really think LEOs are there to catch bad guys?
sorry but you are in for a rude awakening one day
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