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MY girl has a Masters degree in business and doesn't use what she spent 5 and a half years going to school for and still makes good money. So do you really need a college degree or is college just another white mans hustle?

I think it's another hustle personally. I get money and I don't have a degree. I'm not knocking dudes who went to college because telling someone that furthering there education is a waste of time is beyond moronic.

I'm just asking who thinks you really need college??
 
Need it to make money? No. I made VERY good money without degrees. Want it? Yes. Learning is important to me and the degrees gave me a chance to expand my mind and increase my level of professionalism.

Most importantly was the look of pride in the eyes of my little nephews when they saw me walk the stage. Now they know THEY can do it too and that their uncle will always be around to help them when its time. That to me was worth more than any of the money I'm ever going to make.
 
it depends on what you go to school for....business, well you can pretty much start your own business without school....look at these rappers, most high school dropouts and hoodlums, but they run successful labels and businesses.

business is a hustle, she didnt need school for that.

but for engineering, law and medical yes, you do need a college degree and in those fields you make $$$$$$$$$.

if youre going to go to school,go for the hardest and difficult majors, cause those are the ones that usually pay. The ones that anyone could graduate in usually arent worth anything.
 
1quincy said:
MY girl has a Masters degree in business and doesn't use what she spent 5 and a half years going to school for and still makes good money. So do you really need a college degree or is college just another white mans hustle?

I think it's another hustle personally. I get money and I don't have a degree. I'm not knocking dudes who went to college because telling someone that furthering there education is a waste of time is beyond moronic.

I'm just asking who thinks you really need college??
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A Master's degree in business is useless. My cousin Fred, who only has a high school diploma, makes more $$$ with his legit business than a lot of college educated business majors.

My point is not all degrees are the same.
 
To each his own!

If you're not sure about going to college, or which to attend college just look around.
Higher education will definitely expand your knowledge and skills, help express your thoughts clearly in speech and in writing. Assist you in grasping abstract concepts and theories.
Moreover, an advance level of education will help you increase your understanding of the world and your community.
Yo! Remember it doesn't have to be a 4-year college. You may want to consider attending a community college, which is a 2-year school that will help provide you with an excellent educational foundation. Futhermore, whether you're considering an associate's degree, a certificate program, technical training, or plan to continue your studies at a 4-year college.
If you do decide to go to college, you'll gain information and skills that you'll use for the rest of your life, no matter what career you chose.
So, disregard what people tell you about seeking a higher level of education. Ultimately, it’s you who has to decide in the long run what is it that you want in life.
 
1quincy said:
MY girl has a Masters degree in business and doesn't use what she spent 5 and a half years going to school for and still makes good money. So do you really need a college degree or is college just another white mans hustle?

I think it's another hustle personally. I get money and I don't have a degree. I'm not knocking dudes who went to college because telling someone that furthering there education is a waste of time is beyond moronic.

I'm just asking who thinks you really need college??
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Nope.... you don't "need" a college degree to make a whole lot of money.... Just look at Anna Nicole Smith.... college dropout at 16... playboy bunny... married a billionaire.... "nope"...... you can make a whole lot of money if you got the right stuff....

but..... its always like this in the end.... if you think education is "expensive"... then try ignorance... :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
1quincy said:
MY girl has a Masters degree in business and doesn't use what she spent 5 and a half years going to school for and still makes good money. So do you really need a college degree or is college just another white mans hustle?

I think it's another hustle personally. I get money and I don't have a degree. I'm not knocking dudes who went to college because telling someone that furthering there education is a waste of time is beyond moronic.

I'm just asking who thinks you really need college??
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It all depends on what you want to do/learn, and just like anything else in life how you apply yourself once you have the degree.

College is good at helping you see things from completely new angle and helps accelerate the process of opening doors and making good contacts. It's definitely a good socializing experience. It helped knock the rough edges NYC put on me and round me out as a young man.

BTW - if she has an MBA, has 5 years of experience or more, and isn't caking at least mid-6 figures, she either didn't get a degree from a Top-15 school or isn't applying herself.
Sad to say, MBA's from anything under a Top-15 really aren't worth the money in terms of R.O.I.
 
afroyale said:
A Master's degree in business is useless. My cousin Fred, who only has a high school diploma, makes more $$$ with his legit business than a lot of college educated business majors.

My point is not all degrees are the same.
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You sure that an MBA is useless.... My cousin is a President at the #1 Fortune 500....

I don't think his MBA from "UCLA" was a waste of time.....

But in partial agreement with you.... sometimes its "motivation"... you know the old saying... you can lead a horse to water... but you can't make him drink it...
 
Go to college, I think everyone should go to college. The thing I don't understand is why many black males especially will not take advantage of a free education. Here in the U.S. if you don't work or have very low income. Uncle sam will pay for your education.

The thing that I find is that many people from other countries come here, go to college get high paying careers and end up with expensive homes and cars and rightfully so, because they worked for it. And many of the young black people (not all) that I run across look down on these foreigners and scoff at their success. Go for it. A degree says that you have accomplished something, and that you are educated(common sense is another matter).

If you have a degree you can make career choices that people without degrees can't make. People with degrees will be considered for jobs over a person who does not. People would rather prefer someone with a degree in their company than without.
 
When i was in school I met plenty of white kids with jobs that "required" degrees. Still amazes me how people can pretend the job market is fair. If I could do it over again I'd go to school simply to go into business for myself.
 
bromack1 said:
You sure that an MBA is useless.... My cousin is a President at the #1 Fortune 500....

I don't think his MBA from "UCLA" was a waste of time.....

But in partial agreement with you.... sometimes its "motivation"... you know the old saying... you can lead a horse to water... but you can't make him drink it...
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Your cousin is President of Wal-Mart or Exxon/Mobil

I mean those two constantly trade places for 1 and 2, but I definitely don't see a black man (if you're black) at the President's position.

As a matter of fact, the most powerful black CEO/Pres right now on the F500 is Stanley O'Neal followed by Ken Chenault.
 
SAFOOL said:
When i was in school I met plenty of white kids with jobs that "required" degrees. Still amazes me how people can pretend the job market is fair. If I could do it over again I'd go to school simply to go into business for myself.
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I hear you,good post hopefully your words of wisdom will inspire some on cats here on the board. :cool:
 
1quincy said:
MY girl has a Masters degree in business and doesn't use what she spent 5 and a half years going to school for and still makes good money. So do you really need a college degree or is college just another white mans hustle?

I think it's another hustle personally. I get money and I don't have a degree. I'm not knocking dudes who went to college because telling someone that furthering there education is a waste of time is beyond moronic.

I'm just asking who thinks you really need college??
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You don’t need a college degree, but you do need some sort of skill, trade or business or to earn enough money to survive. I can say that without going to college I wouldn't have the skill set needed to earn a living. Some people have the skills needed to earn a living right out of high school whether its being an athlete, owning a business, or being skilled in a trade. I do think its important that for people without those skills to go to college, because it gives you a better chance (no guarantees) of making it in the corporate world.
 
yeah, i agree. depends on what u wanna do for a living. plus, u won't ever really be w/o a job wth a degree....especially if u get laid off, get a quick credential then get a gig teaching for a hot minute to the tune of $45,000 to start. but if u don't mind hustling and want to start your own business then u don't really need 1. hire a good accountant and tax preparer and you're all set
 
afroyale said:
A Master's degree in business is useless. My cousin Fred, who only has a high school diploma, makes more $$$ with his legit business than a lot of college educated business majors.

My point is not all degrees are the same.
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I have an MBA and can say that it has increased may income. I got a 10% when i reported it to my employer, and now have more advancement options.
 
drbaby6 said:
all black males need a trade,then get education,the trade will give you relief while you find your way,your parents don't own these companies and it is nieve to think that you will get an even chance in the job market.a trade is also a way to start your own business;electricin to electrical contractor,policeman to security company,plummer to ...and so on,then you can hire people with various degrees,and set their salerys.this is how the europeans and other immigrents have done it ,the people you meet at college are their kids and grandkids,jobs are waiting for them.
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Best fucking advice of the year. I preach this to cats all the time. Work on a trade. A business degree won't help you for shit. Plus you got to worry about competition and discrimination when searching for a job. Let me tell you black cats something. The United States have enough workers. There is a heavy demand for job suppliers. Start owning your own shit and employing people.
 
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A college degree is not necessary to be successful. Those who saw Will Smith’s movie the Pursuit of Happiness should know that. However, those who have the opportunity and the finance should consider getting one because there is always a possibility that you may become unemployed one day. If you have the knowledge to do something that only a handful of people can do, then you my friend is powerful. And didn’t your mama ever thought you that knowledge is power lol. And if you are a player, the women in college are fine as fuck. :yes: :D
 
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The whole college experience needs to be shorten down to two years - 3 years for a Bachelor. The bullshit liberal arts courses you have to take in your first two years was a waste. Plus the debt you acquire will be a nuisance for a long time.

I also don't see the purpose of MBA, what else can you learn about business, it isn't rocket science. If you want to be a lawyer, a person should be able to take those course directly and not be forced to take sociology/pyschology for two years.
 
It's all on you, if you take the top 10 richest people in the world, maybe 2 have a degree, but all might have attend college to get a degree, but dropout

I'm in the process of starting a business (record label), haven't did the college thing, but will need some people that have a degree

If you have a hustle nine times out of ten, no degree is needed
 
You don't NEED a college degree, the richest man in the world (Bill Gates) doesn't have one, But those who don't have one and are successful are extremely driven and have a ton of ambition. Usually people who are against education are so because they don't want to do the work that is necessary to earn one, but any successful business owner will tell you, it take much more discipline without one.
 
Mask said:
It's all on you, if you take the top 10 richest people in the world, maybe 2 have a degree, but all might have attend college to get a degree, but dropout
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There are definitely some incredible success stories for people who don't have degrees - in all levels of life, but I do think you make life easier on yourself with a degree. In certain types of jobs you hit a ceiling and cannot go any further just because you didn't graduate college. It's bullshit, but it is the way it is. How many secretaries or support administrative people run their whole departments, but the executives pull in the dough?

I'm thinking about grabbing my MBA. It won't be from a top 15 school, but a top 50 - still the graduates from the Smith School of college park have a very high rate of gainful employment. Also, MBA is the type of deal that pays off long term, not short.

I think in the end college is a way to "hustle" for those of us who aren't that good doing it from scratch. Let's look at you Mask. To even think about starting your own label you have to be a straight up grinder. I wish you all of the success in the world, but I know I don't have it in me (now) to start my own business. So my "hustle" is to get my education and make things easier for my self in the job market versus you putting in the work up front, and having your own business as well as the reward of knowing you did it yourself.

Personally, as long as a brother is working towards something (whether it's his degree, starting his own small or large business, working a trade, whatever!) I think it's a great thing.
 
Jacobi said:
There are definitely some incredible success stories for people who don't have degrees - in all levels of life, but I do think you make life easier on yourself with a degree. In certain types of jobs you hit a ceiling and cannot go any further just because you didn't graduate college. It's bullshit, but it is the way it is. How many secretaries or support administrative people run their whole departments, but the executives pull in the dough?

I'm thinking about grabbing my MBA. It won't be from a top 15 school, but a top 50 - still the graduates from the Smith School of college park have a very high rate of gainful employment. Also, MBA is the type of deal that pays off long term, not short.

I think in the end college is a way to "hustle" for those of us who aren't that good doing it from scratch. Let's look at you Mask. To even think about starting your own label you have to be a straight up grinder. I wish you all of the success in the world, but I know I don't have it in me (now) to start my own business. So my "hustle" is to get my education and make things easier for my self in the job market versus you putting in the work up front, and having your own business as well as the reward of knowing you did it yourself.

Personally, as long as a brother is working towards something (whether it's his degree, starting his own small or large business, working a trade, whatever!) I think it's a great thing.
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Trill Talk :yes:
 
Heist said:
Your cousin is President of Wal-Mart or Exxon/Mobil

I mean those two constantly trade places for 1 and 2, but I definitely don't see a black man (if you're black) at the President's position.

As a matter of fact, the most powerful black CEO/Pres right now on the F500 is Stanley O'Neal followed by Ken Chenault.
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I said is "a" president.... Exxon/Mobil has several segments within its corporate structure... and yes... he is black and probably much darker than you....
 
bromack1 said:
I said is "a" president.... Exxon/Mobil has several segments within its corporate structure... and yes... he is black and probably much darker than you....
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Ok, relax. No need to scream. "a" President. Ok
 
?????? said:
but for engineering, law and medical yes, you do need a college degree and in those fields you make $$$$$$$$$.

if youre going to go to school,go for the hardest and difficult majors, cause those are the ones that usually pay. The ones that anyone could graduate in usually arent worth anything.
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So true. Thing is people go after easy BA majors just to move onto their graduate work which is more geared towards specific careers. My brother went after an easy degree since his relevant college work was going to be in law school. I'm in business school to set myself apart from my peers.

Quantative majors always get respect from me.

Anyways, unless you want to experience the whole college life thing, stick with a community college. You can finish general education requirements and most of minor there (in other words your first three years). You can then transfer and finish your degree.

It is about prestige when it comes to business school. Top 10 grad students have an edge simply because of where they went and the contacts they are going to make while in school. Really any school in the 25 is good stuff and a top 50 school is going to be well worth it. A Master Degree shows that you finished a focused college program. Just remember that work experience is sill needed.

Things to consider about college:
-the actual degree
-helps to refine your thinking and learn a lot; from the textbook stuff to the different people you will meet.
-you are going to meet a lot of people many of who already have jobs or "know somebody" (networking opportunites)
-teachers are also potential for networking; most worked in the field they teach and "know somebody" that currently does
-teachers are also a good source for professional references. take a few courses with them and get A's to make asking for it easier.
-college people usually have their heads on straight. good place to meet new people especially young ladies

Degrees are just tools to fulfill parts of plan. People are going to succeed based on their plans and the efforts they make to see those plans become reality.

For those interested in college check the web for financial aid.

http://www.fafsa.ed.gov/ (free money from the government for school. just keep your grades up)
http://www.fastweb.com/ (excellent source for scolarships. you usually need to write an essay but worth trying.)
http://www.uncf.org/

Check out websites in the careers you are interested in. So much money for college out there. Search enough and you can bankroll a free college ride on someone else's dollar.

College degrees are not a must but they can really help. Remember it is not only the paper but everything leading to it.
 
I have Multiple Degrees and a wonderful profession. A college degree is, just what it is, a proven tool to advance yourself. Most of the people I went to school with, got good to great jobs. Some who were not focused, or didn't have a good plan to use the tool, got decent to good jobs. My friend who just got her MBA from "Randy's House of Fried Chicken, Biscuits, and MBA's school" first job was managing a major department store.

Income and Educational Levels
This table shows the average annual income for males and females with different educational levels. On average, individuals with higher educational levels tend to have larger incomes, while those with lower educational levels make less money.
Average Annual Income (in dollars), 2004
Educational Level--------------------------Male/Female
Less than 9th grade-----------------------22,070/14,008 :eek:
High school 9th to 12th grade (no diploma)-22,795/13,519
High school graduate (includes equivalency)-34,050/21,923 :smh:

College
Some college, no degree-------------------37,561/22,896
Associate degree--------------------------44,130/29,208
Bachelor's degree--------------------------63,753/38,766 :yes:
Master's degree---------------------------84,017/50,547 :D
Professional degree-----------------------137,050/70,812 :dance:
Doctorate degree-------------------------104,848/68,191
Bachelor's degree or more (total)-----------75,719/43,853 ;)

Source: U.S. Bureau of the Census.
 
sure, you can take your chances without an education. but you're chances at success are a lot better with a college degree.
 

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