Discount Tuition For Illegal Immigrants ???

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<font size="5"><center>Suit Challenges California's Tuition Rule
for Illegal Immigrants </font size></center>

<font size="4"><center>policy discriminates against out-of-state students
who are American citizens and pay higher tuition
than students who are in this country illegally</font size></center>

New York Times
By RACHEL L. SWARNS
Published: December 15, 2005

WASHINGTON, Dec. 14 - About three dozen students filed a lawsuit against the University of California on Wednesday, charging that it had violated federal law by allowing illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition rates at its campuses while maintaining higher rates for out-of-state students.

The students, all from out of state, are represented by a legal team that includes Kris W. Kobach, a conservative lawyer and former Justice Department official who shaped national immigration policy under former Attorney General John Ashcroft. Mr. Kobach said the policy discriminates against out-of-state students who are American citizens and pay higher tuition than students who are in this country illegally.

"Citizen students have been mortgaging their futures and taking on really heavy student loans," Mr. Kobach, a law professor at the University of Missouri-Kansas City, said in a telephone interview from Sacramento, where he is working with the firm of Ropers, Majeski, Kohn & Bentley. "Meanwhile, they see aliens who are unlawfully present in the United States getting a massive subsidy from the State of California."

The move plunges California into the midst of a national debate over how to handle the millions of students living in this country illegally.

Federal law requires state universities that offer in-state tuition rates to illegal immigrants to do the same for students from other states, imposing a steep financial barrier to the policy. But since 2001, nine states, including California, have passed laws to circumvent that requirement, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Supporters say children who are illegal immigrants did not choose to enter the United States illegally and can make valuable contributions to society if allowed to continue their studies.

Ravi Poorsina, a spokeswoman for the University of California, said it allows students who have attended local high schools for three years and graduated from a local high school to benefit from in-state tuition rates. Students who are illegal immigrants must also sign an affidavit saying they are applying for legal residency.

Ms. Poorsina said that in the 2003-2004 school year, about 390 illegal immigrants paid in-state tuition, currently about $6,700 a year. Out-of-state students pay about $24,500 a year. "We believe it's not in conflict with federal law," she said of the university's policy.

But the adoption of this policy by some states has stirred others to another action. This year, seven states considered passing laws barring illegal immigrants from benefiting from in-state tuition rates, the Conference of State Legislatures said.

Mr. Kobach, who helped shape the Justice Department's policy of tracking and deporting thousands of Arab and Muslim illegal immigrants in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, filed a similar suit in Kansas in 2004. It was dismissed on technical grounds but is now on appeal.

Mr. Kobach has received support from the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a Washington group that advocates strict limits on immigration. The group has provided research and assistance in finding plaintiffs.

Chaning Jang, a senior at the University of California, Davis, said he joined the lawsuit after reading an advertisement placed by the lawyers in a college newspaper. "It's kind of an insult that illegal immigrants who aren't U.S. citizens get more than we do," said Mr. Jang, 21, of Hilo, Hawaii.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/15/e...l=1&adxnnlx=1134643447-RZmxZrFDq2rojFSIMeBsYw
 
Interesting. It would do well to educate the growing number of illegal immigrants' children who have come over the border basically with little choice. If they are applying for citizenship in the US , the out of staters dont have a leg to stand on. They always have a right to go to their state universities. $6700 as opposed to $24,000 ..... ??? That is not THAT much considering .... but California is in a unique position to get as many of these Mexicans (and other immigrants) educated.
 
HandsSolo2K5 said:
Interesting. It would do well to educate the growing number of illegal immigrants' children who have come over the border basically with little choice. If they are applying for citizenship in the US , the out of staters dont have a leg to stand on. They always have a right to go to their state universities. $6700 as opposed to $24,000 ..... ??? That is not THAT much considering .... but California is in a unique position to get as many of these Mexicans (and other immigrants) educated.
First of all, if they are applying for citizenship, they are not here illegally, for they would have a visa/work permit and an application for citizenship with the INS. Secondly, if they are here illegally, why should thier crime pay by having them get better treatment than those here legally ?

And they had all the choice to come here. Most illegals who come here now were not starving in Mexico, but they could get much higher paying jobs here with better healthcare. Why not pressure Mexico to better care of it's citizens than pressure the US to take care of Mexico's citizens ?
 
accross the west numerous states allow illegal aliens to be considered in state residents for the sake of tuition

that applying for citizenship crap has absolutely nothing to do with this at all
 
Came across this old thread while searching for something else; as the U.S. presidential race turns westward, the issues is this thread are subtly related to Super Tuesday, hence, this sublte bump.

QueEx
 
Point blank: No tuition breaks for illegals, period.

Give that shit to us who're here legally, and shove that up Mike Huckabee's asshole. Furthermore, Mexico needs to take care of its own citizens and we need to stop treating ourselves as a babysitting state.
 
Point blank: No tuition breaks for illegals, period.

Give that shit to us who're here legally, and shove that up Mike Huckabee's asshole. Furthermore, Mexico needs to take care of its own citizens and we need to stop treating ourselves as a babysitting state.

I couldn't agree with you more.

Illegal immigration is costing California more than it gives. Sure the cheaper labor results in cheaper products in some cases but ends up costing us in other ways like fucked up educational and healthcare systems. In L.A. alone, illegal immigrants healthcare costs are an estimated $2 billion a year. L.A. had to close down hospitals to reduce the burden. That is $2 billion just in L.A.: that amount of money can fund some serious research. California is spending $3 billion on stem cell research just to give an example of what that $2 billion could be used for.

Out of state students having to pay higher tuition is one thing but international students really get screwed over on this issue. International students bring much more talent illegal immigrants from Mexico. I have yet to meet a Latino whose aspirations are beyond either becoming a auto mechanic or a nurse: pathetic.

Sad thing is many Mexicans could enter the country legally if they would come over as students. Most do not even feel inclined to learn English.
 
<font size="5"><center>
California Supreme Court upholds
in-state tuition for illegal immigrants</font size></center>



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By Laurel Rosenhall
lrosenhall@sacbee.com
Monday, Nov. 15, 2010


California's law allowing illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition at public colleges and universities was upheld by the California Supreme Court today.

In a 28-page ruling, the state's highest court overturned a lower court ruling that said the law, known as AB 540, unfairly favors illegal immigrants who live in California over American citizens who live outside the state. Out-of-state tuition at University of California is more than $20,000 more per year than it is for state residents.

The seven justices of the Supreme Court agreed that the law treats all people the same, regardless of their citizenship status, as long as they meet certain criteria, such as attending high school in California for at least three years.

Here is the Supreme Court's decision: http://bit.ly/cUZPUP




http://www.sacbee.com/2010/11/15/3186688/court-upholds-in-state-tuition.html
 
They always have a right to go to their state universities. $6700 as opposed to $24,000.

they also have a right to choose from california's tier 1 universities, many of which populate the nation's top 40 best schools.

i believe the out-of-staters have a legit gripe. but i wonder if they would be satisfied with a ruling that requires both parties (children born to illegal immigrants, out-of-staters) to pay the higher tuition?

suggesting that out-of-staters should otherwise simply stay in-state is like saying that children of illegal immigrants should only be allowed to attend community colleges.
 
The seven justices of the Supreme Court agreed that the law treats all people the same, regardless of their citizenship status, as long as they meet certain criteria, such as attending high school in California for at least three years.
unfortunately, they made the correct ruling.

the lawsuit was doomed to fail because they had not reasonably challenged (and overturned) this first:

Section 1623 provides that an alien not lawfully present in this country shall not be eligible on the basis of residence within a state for any postsecondary education benefit unless a citizen or national of this country is eligible for that benefit.

:lol:

that section is so stupid it makes me want to laugh and cry at the same time. how could the plaintiffs hope to win their class action as long as that was still in force?
 
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