Did Japanese pilot defect to Russia (or China) with F-35 stealth fighter???? (update 11 May 19)

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The plane mysteriously disappeared on 9th April 2019 while on a training exercise. The plane was
the first built in under license in Japan by Mitsubishi Heavy industry. It disappeared without trace
and while Japan had earlier claimed that it found debris from the plane floating in the ocean, the
US announced today that no debris had been found.

The F-35 is a plane both Russia and China would dearly love to have. The Russians would get instant
answers to many of their fears, and even more solutions to their problems. The Russian SU57 stealth
fighter program has been been beset and delayed by many technical issues, almost all of which would
be solved by stealing the US plane..

The Chinese would certainly like to take a look at it, if for no other reason than to harvest its F135
Pratt and Whitney engine, which at 43,000lb of afterburning thrust is the single most powerful
production engine on a jet fighter.

History is full many instances of superpowers stealing each other's technology; The Americans stole
the Mig 15, Mig 17, Mig 21 and Mig 25 from the Russians, by enticing the defection of Russian or
North Korean pilots. In the case of the Mig 25, Soviet pilot Victor Belenko flew his Mig 25 to Japan
where American and Japanese engineers proceeded to thoroughly inspect the plane, drilling holes
in its engine and fuselage in order to sample the materials that enabled it to withstand high temperatures.
The plane was eventually returned to the Soviet Union ....but Victor Belenko was given immediate
citizenship in the US, and his naturalisation papers were personally signed by President Jimmy
Carter.

The USSR stole the American F86 sabre, and also reverse engineered B29 Bombers which
had had to land in the USSR upon a difficult return from war in China
 
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The F-35 is a plane both Russia and China would dearly love to have. The Russians would get instant
answers to many of their fears, and even more solutions to their problems. The Russian SU57 stealth
fighter programs has been been beset and delayed by many technical issue, almost all of which would
be solved by stealing the US plane..



also reverse engineered B29 Bombers which had had been
forced to land in Russia upon return from war in China
 
The lengths to which the Superpowers went to steal each other's secrets were
astonishing. A top secret Soviet submarine ran aground (or was disabled by
the US) in the 1970s. The Soviets lost contact with it, but the Americans
knowing exactly where it was concocted a highly publicised plan to deploy
a ship that was going to mine the ocean for precious minerals. The ship was
built, and Howard Hughes was announced as its financier. It sailed to the
area where the Soviet sub lay aground, opened a huge hole in its hull, from
whence several heavy duty winches dropped cables to the sub and pulled it
up. Thus the US acquired a top secret Soviet sub. The crew which had
already died was allegedly given a military funeral with all the commensurate
honors. The Soviets never figured this out until much later.
 
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That's not the point I was making. This contradicts that great Russian engineering If they did not capture German enginers after WW2 and Britain have given them a jet engine, they would have never come up with the Mig 15.
 
The JSF is a waste of tax paying money. Lockhead fucked us all with their shitty design.
 
Bullshit story . China has had the full design for the F-35 for 5yrs . Russian SU-57 is the baddest plane in war
1. I wrote in my other thread on this same subject (which I cannot find), that it is
suspected that China stole about 65 terrabytes of e F-35 blue prints..If China has,
there is no evidence that it has helped it build the better engine needed for its
own planes. Its top stealth fighter, the strange looking Shenyang J-20, was so
woefully under-powered that the Chinese went hunting for a Russian engine; Of
course the Russians would not simply cede an engine to China, so the Chinese
offered to buy 2 of Russia's top of the line SU-35 fighter jets which carry that
that engine. The Russians, who had been burned by the Chinese before, knew
that the Chinese simply wanted to steal technology from their planes, and refused.
However, after protracted negotiations, the Chinese agreed to buy 24 Su-35s for
$2 billion, and thus acquired access to the powerful Saturn AL 41F engine on those
fighters....The results showed immediately; a Chinese J-20 stealth (and even J10)
at the Nov 2018 China International Airshow stunned the audience by executing
aerial maneuvers that had up to that point been manifested only by Russian planes.




2. The Su-57 is a troubled project. The plane is bigger and heavier than the F-22
it was intended to chase out of the sky, but the engines it has had so far have
not been able to generate satisfactory performance.. The production models of
the Su-57 have carried the same AL41F engine that is on the Su 35, which puts out
about 32,000lbs of after-burning thrust. There has been a project to equip these
planes with the new Izdylie 30 engine, and but that project is still ongoing. It was
announced that 2 Su-57s had been fitted with these engines in December 2017,
but it is possible that there have been teething problems, as the Russian announced
last year that full scale production was being pushed back.

The Americans already have the answer to this issue. The F135 engine on the F-35
produces an outrageous 28,000 lbs of dry thrust, and 43,000 lbs in reheat, which is
what the Russian plane needs. There is no jet fighter engine out their with these
kinds of specifications, and this alone would be reason enough for the Russians to
offer a Japanese pilot $200 million to defect and hand them an F-35.

In addition to this, the Russian would be able to inspect, first hand, the latest
versions of American radar absorbing materials coating that plane. There would
also be access to the vaunted electronics of the F-35, said by the Americans to be
superior to anything ever conceived....The electronics of the F-35 make that plane,
which is kinematically challenged, a fearsome adversary. Not withstanding its own
tiny and insignificant payload, it is said to be capable sitting unseen in the sky,
surveying the battle space, and playing quarterback of the entire fearsome offensive
capacity of the US. Therefore destroyers and frigates could launch their missiles;
B52 and B1 bombers could deploy their cruise missiles; to say nothing of armed
drones, and the F-35 would then take control of all these vehicles and direct them
to target in a various and dynamic manner,...

And if attacked, the little plane is said to so choke-full of electronics that it
would immediately be aware of and defeat the threat. Whether all this works as
said is not the point; the Russians would dearly love to study, and as necessary,
co-opt the technology to their own ends.

The SU-57 has had other issues. The Indians, who were early investors in
the undertaking pulled out, citing shoddy workmanship, and questionable
stealth properties. The truth may be that the Indians felt that their $6 billion
investment was getting the unacceptable return of Russia refusing to share
software codes. Either the way, their delusional asses then reached out to the
Yanks and inquired whether they could be allowed to buy F-35s. The Yanks
deftly deflected the Indian inquiry, to the means and methods of the 40-year
old F-16, offering to sell them the right manufacture 114 such planes at a cost of
$21 billion. The idea induced dissatisfaction among the Indians, not least because
the F-16 is the same plane Pakistan has had for 30 years. The Americans, sensibly
and sensitively, therefore, created a new name for the plane that India would be
getting, calling it F-21, while changing little else about what essentially is the
same F-16 Bahrain is buying.

The Indians have since gone back to the Russians to inquire about the Su-57,
but the Russians, have apparently offered the Indians even more Su-30s, having
been burnt before. The Indian media has claimed that it is the Russians who
have offered the Su-57, with more access to the software codes. Either way,
the Russians have become wary of the Indians, after the coolies had their little
dalliance with the Americans. This is to say nothing of the already existing
penchant by the Indians, to pit the latest Russian planes they obtain, against
Americans, in mock combat at such events as Red Flag, that has vexed the
Russians to no end...

The Americans fired a warning shot to India 2 months ago, threatening to
impose sanctions on it, after a decrepit Indian Mig-21 shot down an American
made Pakistani F-16. At the time, many in the Indian establishment began to
question why Indian should spend money on the F-16, a plane that had been
shot down by the 60 year old Russian technology of the Mig-21;
 
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That's not the point I was making. This contradicts that great Russian engineering If they did not capture German enginers after WW2 and Britain have given them a jet engine, they would have never come up with the Mig 15.
Americans took 20, 000 railway wagons of German technology at the end of the
war back to America. The Americans stole anything they could land their hands
on, scientists, jet fighters, cruise missiles, helicopters and even chrystal meth..

As US president Eisenhower is reported to have angrily asked when informed
that the Soviet Union had deployed the first satellite, Sputnik, into space, "Are
their Germans better than our Germans?". Yes everyone raped German science;
Werner Von Braun sent Americans to the moon, the same way he rained
V-1 and V-2 Rockets on London, but the Americans made sure that all the
astronauts on Apollo 11, had English names (Armstrong, Glenn and Shepard).....

Captured German gun developer, Hugo Schmeisser, worked as a designer, in the
same Izmash factory, at the same time, in the same USSR, as the untrained World
War II Soviet Army sergeant, Mikhail Kalashnikov, who was "inventing" the AK-47.
However, according to the Soviets then, and the Russians now, Hugo Schmeiser
was unaware of, and had nothing whatsoever to do with the AK47, even if visually
and mechanically, it seemed to implement his solutions (see below)


Hugo Schmeisser's MP3 gun designed in 1942
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Hitler so fell in love with this gun he renamed
it the Sturmgewhr 44 (meaning assault rifle)
or StG44 (44 as in 1944, when it was selected for
service)






Mikhail Kalashnikov's AK47, "invented" in 1947
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Do not worry about the Russians- worry about the Indians
and the Chinese.

Number of engineers and scientists graduated every year

1. China----------4.7 million
2. India----------2.6 million
3. USA-----------567.0000
4. Russia---------561,0000

The Chinese are now writing 25% of all published technical papers;
Before the US used to write about 75-80%.........................
When I went to grad school more than 20 years ago, the Chinks, Coolies
and other Asians comprised 50-55% of all grad students in US colleges;
Foreigners in total comprised more than 60%, and the numbers are far
worse now.

The Russians are putting up a valiant effort, training 2 times as many
engineers and scientists as the US, per capita wise. The Chinks train
slightly less than the Russians, given that their population is 10 times
that of Russia, but the sheer volume gives them an enormous advantage...

Hopefully, Biden or Bernie will take this fact on the campaing trail. The
US is being left farther and farther behind in the development of human
infrastructure.

The only reason why Americans are not graduating at the same rate is that
they cannot afford it. A run of the mill, regular US university is charging
$30-$40,000 a year in tuition; who can afford that; and who would be
willing to take on $120, 000 of debt, without any prospects of how to pay
for it at graduation?????

In China, India and Russia, tuition is free in college...(FYI-tuition is free in
German public universities for all German and all foreign students)
 
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American took 20, 000 railway wagons of German technology at the end of the
war back to America. The Americans stole anything they could land their hands
on, scientists, jet fighters, cruise missiles, helicopters and even chrystal meth..

As US president Eisenhower is reported to have angrily asked when informed
that the Russians had deployed the first satellite, Sputnik, into space, "Are
their Germans better than our Germans?". Yes everyone raped German science;
Werner Von Braun sent Americans to the moon, the same way he rained
V-1 and V-2 Rockets, but the Americans made sure that all the Astraunots
on Apollo 11, had English names (Armstrong, Glenn and Sherpard).....

Captured German gun developer, Hugo Schmeisser, worked as a designer, in the
same Izmash factory, at the same time, in the same USSR, as the untrained World
War II Soviet Army sergeant, Mikhail Kalashnikov, who was "inventing" the AK-47.
However, according to the Soviets then, and the Russians now, Hugo Schmeiser
was unaware of, and had nothing whatsoever to do with the AK47, even if visually
and mechanically, it seemed to implement many of his solutions (see below)


Hugo Schmeisser's MP3 gun designed in 1942
300px-MP44_-_Tyskland_-_8x33mm_Kurz_-_Arm%C3%A9museum.jpg

Hitler so fell in love with this gun he renamed
it the Sturmgewhr 44 (meaning assault rifle)
or StG44 (44 as in 1944, when it was selected for
service)






Mikhail Kalashnikov's AK47, "invented" in 1947
300px-AK-47_assault_rifle.jpg




Do not worry about the Russians- worry about the Indians
and the Chinese.

Number of engineers and scientists graduated every year

1. China----------4.7 million
2. India----------2.6 million
3. USA-----------567.0000
4. Russia---------561,0000

The Chinese are now writing 25% of all published technical papers;
Before the US used to write about 75-80%.........................
When I went to grad school more than 20 years ago, the Chinks, Coolies
and other Asians comprised 50-55% of all grad students in US colleges;
Foreigners in total comprised more than 60%, and the numbers are far
worse now.

The Russians are putting up a valiant effort, training 2 times as many
engineers and scientists as the US, per capita wise. The Chinks train
slightly less than the Russians, given that their population is 10 times
that of Russia, but the sheer volume gives them an enormous advantage...

Hopefully, Biden or Bernie will take this fact on the campaing trail. The
US is being left farther and farther behind in the development of human
infrastructure.

The only reason why Americans are not graduating at the same rate is that
they cannot afford it. A run of the mill, regular US university is change
$30-$40,000 a year in tuition who can afford that; and who would be
willing to take on $120, 000 of debt, without any prospects of how to pay
for it at graduation?????

In China, India and Russia, tuition is free in college...

Totally differ

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https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/09/27/kalashnikov-vs-schmeisser-umpteenth-time-guest-post/
 

Hehehehehehehehe.... I have been accused on this forum of being a Russo-phile, though I
consider myself to be a truth-o-phile...They are almost the same. Sergeant Kalashnikov
claimed he was confined to a hospital bend when he began to imagine the AK-47.

This is bullshit, and eventually....

...Mikhail Kalashnikov who lived to the age of 99 conceded in 2009, that the 5 captured
German designers who worked at Izmash helped to design the AK47:

http://transsylvaniaphoenix.blogspot.com/2009/02/michail-kalashnikov-admits-german-help.html

What fair minded analysts credit Kalashnikov for was bringing his war experience to the
table, resulting in a robust and resilient weapon which is almost fool-proof. Compare the AK
with a gun that was designed much later by engineers, that is more accurate than the
AK47, but was so prone to jamming that the US soldiers it was meant preferred to throw
away their M16s and use AK47s captured from dead Vietnamese soldiers..

The M16 was deployed into combat, with barely any acceptance testing, and the early versions
proved a near disaster. Eugene Morrison Stoner, who received $1 for every M16 produced
(as designer of the gun) became a millionaire. Mikhail Kalashnikov never got a dime for the AK,
even though more than 100 million have been produced worldwide.
 
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This nigga be copying and pasting everything
Why, I know too much... ??? I stick to what I am interested in and know.
I grew up in the house of my army colonel older brother, and spent
school holidays studying Janes books on military technology, and it is
from there I developed a deep love and respect for soldiers. That was
more 30 years ago, and I have fed that love ever since. **Please do not
call me a "nigga". There are already too many people on my ignore
list for that reason**.
 
Ever notice how OP is always posting threads shitting on America ..... how bad America is .... how bad Americans are …….. how Russian jets are better than American jets ….. yet lives here acting like he knows everything about America so that he can criticize it ? ... :hmm:


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Ever notice how OP is always posting threads shitting on America ..... how bad America is .... how bad Americans are …….. how Russian jets are better than American jets ….. yet lives here acting like he knows everything about America so that he can criticize it ? ... :hmm:


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Been pointing that out for years. Stays on Russia and more recently China's nuts but wouldn't dare live there lol
 
Been pointing that out for years. Stays on Russia and more recently China's nuts but wouldn't dare live there lol


As for living in Russia and China, there are many Africans living in both
Russia and China. The Chinese and the Russians both trained hundreds
of thousands of Africans...from every single African country...

I tell the truth about everything, and if you read what I have written here,
there is no bias whatsoever; I have simply recounted the true history
without favouring one side or the other.

The Russians and Chinese both write very little English, and therefore
most of the info I have shared can be googled and verified easily. You will
find that the 99% of the sources are Western, you dummy

eg:
 
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Been pointing that out for years. Stays on Russia and more recently China's nuts but wouldn't dare live there lol

As for living in Russia and China, there are many Africans living in both
Russia and China. The Chinese and the Russians both trained hundreds
of thousands of Africans...from every single African country...

I tell the truth about everything, and if you read what I have written here,
there is no bias whatsoever; I have simply recounted the true history
without favouring one side or the other.

The Russians and Chinese both write very little English, and therefore
most of the info I have shared can googled and verified easily. You will
find that the 99% of the sources are Western, you dummy

Ignorant illiterate bitch ..... :smh: …. I bet you got a doctorate in being a dipshit …. :hmm:


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As for living in Russia and China, there are many Africans living in both
Russia and China. The Chinese and the Russians both trained hundreds
of thousands of Africans...from every single African country...

I tell the truth about everything, and if you read what I have written here,
there is no bias whatsoever; I have simply recounted the true history
without favouring one side or the other.

The Russians and Chinese both write very little English, and therefore
most of the info I have shared can be googled and verified easily. You will
find that the 99% of the sources are Western, you dummy

eg:



You're a white\black dude from Pittsburgh..... hush.
 
You're a white\black dude from Pittsburgh..... hush.
Hehehehehe.. I am a 100% black and African bro. I did live in Pgh for 3 years...
But I assure you that there is no white in me. Before you condemn me today,
can you kindly read everything I have said today, and tell me if I am biased
against, or, in favour of, anyone??
 
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If this shit becomes too hot; the Russians may take a wing of the plane
and cast in the open ocean, where they know the Americans and Japanese
now searching for the wreck will find it. That way, the Americans and
Japanese might be inclined to think that the plane did in deed crash into
the ocean. It would be easy to sacrifice a tail since the plane has two,
and whatever is lost in trying confuse the American is present in the
remaining one.

Come on. This shit defies logic. Every commercial plane has a transponder,
by which its location is determined if it crashes. This plane is as expensive
as Boeing 737 Max 8, and is full of the most advanced and sensitive American
military technology; how can it lack a locator beacon? Has someone turned
off the one that is there. Is someone keeping this deep in steel reinforced cave
that is completely shielding off electromagnetic waves??

The reports are that thing just went into radar silence.... come on....I hope
the Americans and the Japanese

However, if the plane is in Russian hands, I guarantee that the engineers
of Lyulka are not sleeping, and have pulled apart that F135 engine and
have nothing but tape measures in their hands, copying whatever is in that
magnificent technology and replicating it....

This is the thing the Russians have been unable to do for 12 years of futility;
and now may have the answer of their hands.
 
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The U.S. Ends Search for Missing F-35 Fighter Jet

The pilot will likely never be found

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By Kyle Mizokami
May 10, 2019

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The U.S. has ended participation in the search for a Japanese F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. The fighter went missing approximately one month ago during a routine training flight over the Pacific Ocean. A joint U.S./Japanese recovery effort located the plane’s flight data recorder but the pilot remains missing.

The missing plane was part of a four plane training flight that took off from Misawa air base on the evening of April 9th. The F-35A, piloted by Japan Air Self Defense Force Maj. Akinori Hosomi, went down approximately 85 miles east of Japan. According to Stars and Stripes, pieces of the plane’s left and right rudders were found two hours later.

The U.S. and Japan both sent ships to help search for the missing plane. The U.S. chartered the civilian deep sea diving support vessel Van Gogh, and dispatched the CURV 21 remotely operated vehicle. CURV 21 is 6,400 pound underwater drone is designed to undertake salvage operations for the U.S. Navy and can operate at depths of up to 20,000 feet. Japan sent the Kaimei, a deep sea scientific survey ship operated by the Japan Agency for Marine-Earth Science and Technology.

At some point after May 3rd, searchers found part of the missing aircraft’s cockpit and the flight data recorder. According to The Japan Times, parts of the aircraft were recovered at a depth of 1,500 meters—or 4,900 feet—below the surface of the ocean. The cockpit data recorder was recovered but was heavily damaged and reportedly lacked a storage device that recorded speed or altitude data. The pilot’s remains have still not been found.

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Although the Van Gogh and Kaimei are ending their participation in the search other ships and aircraft will continue to search for the plane, including a Japanese minesweeper, two private salvage ships, and Japanese military aircraft.

Japan plans to buy 147 F-35 fighters, which will make it the largest operator of the aircraft outside the U.S. military. The island country, neighbor to an increasingly heavily armed China, will purchase 105 of the -A versions used by the U.S. Air Force. It will also buy 42 of the -B vertical takeoff and landing version used by the U.S. Marine Corps, with plans to base them off two helicopters carriers.
 
The report that the US has ended participation in the search should raise even more cause for concern:

a) The black box was recovered, and is too damaged to provide any answers..

If Russia (or China) had stolen this plane, and knew that the US (and Japan) would launch a relentless and
endless effort to find the plane, what would be better than giving them the plan box, but so damaged that it could
not tell them anything about what happened. But wait, is a black box not designed to withstand explosions of the
plane, the pressure of thousands of feet of ocean, fire and concussive impacts....? Is not supposed to indestrutable?
I have to wonder whether there was skilled human assistance in the damage, from someone who knew how to
not only how to render the instrument useless, but to make it all look like the result of an accident.

b) The Engine has not been found, nor, I am sure, have the critical elements of this plane. The damaged parts of
the cockpit said to have found at the bottom of the ocean only serve to throw off the US. What about the rest
of the fuselage, the wings and the tails??? These would contain priceless super-secret technologies, and if they
are not found, the search should continue. This plane has cost in excess of $1 trillion to develop, and the US
should spare no expense to get conclusive answers.

c) The pilot may getting off the hook from the US cession that he will never be found. If he is living in Okotusk,
Ekaterinburg, Russia or Hainan China, he can now rest a little easier in his identity and enormous financial
reward, knowing that is no longer a fugitive. Does have a wife and children, a mother and father, and siblings?
These are considerations that would make it hard for him to succumb to the temptation of a huge bribe.
 
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