Democrats have lost their way

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Democrats have lost their way



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President Barack Obama speaks at the Democratic National Committee winter meeting in Washington,
Friday, Feb. 20, 2015. Taunting Republicans, the president said it's "not an accident" that the economy
is improving on his watch and that Republicans' "doom and gloom" predictions haven't come true.


McClatchy Washington Bureau
By David Lightman
February 21, 2015


WASHINGTON — Democrats have become a confused political party with a muddled message and an inability to turn out enough of its loyal voters, a party task force charged with how to revive the embattled party said Saturday.

“I am here to tell you the Democratic Party has lost its way,” said Gov. Steve Beshear of Kentucky, who presented the report to the Democratic National Committee WINTER.

The report, an effort to dissect the party’s crushing losses in last year’s congressional and gubernatorial elections, found “the circumstances that led to the series of devastating electoral losses did not develop overnight.” Republicans have done a better job adapting to the rapidly changing electoral landscape, it said, particularly in the area of fundraising.

Democrats have lagged in wooing its own, most supportive constituencies, while losing others.

“In order to win elections, the Democratic Party must reclaim voters that we’ve lost, including white Southern voters,” the report said. But the party also has to “excite key constituencies such as African American women and Latinas.”

Beshear talked tough about the DNC shortcomings. “This should be the time for Democratic leaders to rise up to the forefront as defenders of the people and we think we have,” he said.

But, he said, “the American people by their votes don’t agree with us.”

The Democratic Party, he added, “has too often allowed its message to become muddled.”

DNC members, wrapping up a three-day winter meeting Saturday at a Capitol Hill hotel, had mixed reactions to the findings.

Some saw the task force as being too tied to official Washington and not reaching out enough to the party’s grassroots across the nation.

“There’s a feeling that there’s some disconnect between the DNC and Washington, and what’s going on in the rest of the country,” said Kathy Sullivan, a veteran New Hampshire activist and former chairwoman of the state party there.

Republicans had a harsher view. “The first step toward fixing a problem is admitting that you have one, but it’s clear the DNC isn’t willing to come to terms with why their party lost in historic fashion last November,” said Michael Short, Republican National Committee spokesman.

Democrats last year lost control of the Senate. Republicans also gained seats in the House of Representatives, with their best showing there since the early days of the Great Depression. And Republicans now control 31 governorships, as Democrats lost party strongholds such as Maryland and Massachusetts.

The Democratic task force, which will continue meeting through the spring, offered some general recommendations for change.

It called for an effort to “create a strong values-based national narrative” that encourages people to vote. Beshear urged better defining the Democratic brand, rather than just appear to be a series of policy statements.

Democrats had counted last year on strong turnouts by women, Hispanics, younger voters and African-Americans, but turnout was down from 2012. Get people out, officials said Saturday, and Democrats will do well.

“When we vote, we win,” said Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter.



Among Hispanics nationwide, a Pew Research Center study found that while 11 percent of all eligible voters are Hispanic, they made up 8 percent of the 2014 congressional vote. In Texas and Georgia, successful Republican Senate candidates topped 40 percent of the Latino vote.

Insiders said 2016 would be different. “There was a whole array of demographic groups that voted in smaller percentages last year,” said Donald Fowler, former party national chairman.

“You probably won’t have that in a presidential year,” said Fowler, a Columbia, S.C., public relations and advertising executive.

Democrats Saturday saw getting out a coherent message as an achievable task.

Though hundreds of millions were spent last year on ads, organizing and other strategies, party leaders insisted they’d prosper if they stressed their commitment to helping the middle class and the less fortunate.

“Democrats care about so many things. Republicans only care about taxes,” said Patsy Keever, North Carolina Democratic Chairman.

Sometimes, the insiders said, people got too many messages. “There are so many things Democrats care about, but not every Democrat cares about every issue,” Keever said.

Email: dlightman@mcclatchydc.com; Twitter: @lightmandavid.


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the conservative democrats are gone.

You have nothing but your favorite type of leftists.

Enjoy...
 
Republicans speak with one unified voice. Democrats speak with many voices that all compete to be heard.

Occasionally (okay, almost always) the Republican voice sounds ridiculous and illogical. Occasionally the Democrats will sound confused and muddled. It's just a by-product of how the parties are structured.
 
Republicans speak with one unified voice. Democrats speak with many voices that all compete to be heard.

Occasionally (okay, almost always) the Republican voice sounds ridiculous and illogical. Occasionally the Democrats will sound confused and muddled. It's just a by-product of how the parties are structured.

Actually, they don't. Ted Cruz and the tea bagger congress have been throwing sand in to the republican message machine as of late.

For example, Boehner and McConnell would love to make a deal with the president on immigration, but they dare not! Just as the so called conservative (not my assessment) democrates have been slowly eliminated from congress, the republican base is voting out those republicans that don't tow their extreme tea bagger line.

The difference between the democrats and republicans, the republicans have allies in the corporate media to plead their case.
 
Actually, they don't. Ted Cruz and the tea bagger congress have been throwing sand in to the republican message machine as of late.

For example, Boehner and McConnell would love to make a deal with the president on immigration, but they dare not! Just as the so called conservative (not my assessment) democrates have been slowly eliminated from congress, the republican base is voting out those republicans that don't tow their extreme tea bagger line.

The difference between the democrats and republicans, the republicans have allies in the corporate media to plead their case.

Well of course Republicans are not going to agree across the board on everything and everybody. Since they already hold the House and Senate they are probably galvanizing their positions to prepare for the 2016 presidential race.

That being said in 2008 Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee graciously sat back and allowed John McCain the presidential nomination because they realized that he had the better chance of winning. On the other hand Hillary Clinton fought Barack Obama tooth and nail. Had the race been closer that infighting might have cost Obama the election.
 
Well of course Republicans are not going to agree across the board on everything and everybody. Since they already hold the House and Senate they are probably galvanizing their positions to prepare for the 2016 presidential race.

That being said in 2008 Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee graciously sat back and allowed John McCain the presidential nomination because they realized that he had the better chance of winning. On the other hand Hillary Clinton fought Barack Obama tooth and nail. Had the race been closer that infighting might have cost Obama the election.
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Ah, Obama won twice.
 
McClatchy Washington Bureau
By David Lightman
February 21, 2015


". . . an inability to turn out enough of its loyal voters, a party task force charged with how to revive the embattled party said . . ."




The President just hit on this issue really hard at the Town Hall with the President
now airing on MSNBC, saying (with regards to people getting out and voting):

"Why are you staying at home ?

Why don't you participate ?

Staying home is not an option !

Being cynical is not an option !

Waiting on someone else to get it done, is not enough !"


 
He won in large part because gwb fucked up so horribly that Ronald Reagan himself would have lost. Also because Obama received massive funding from the banks


Which presidential candidate doesn't get funding from the banks or any other corporate interests?
 


The President just hit on this issue really hard at the Town Hall with the President
now airing on MSNBC, saying (with regards to people getting out and voting):
"Why are you staying at home ?

Why don't you participate ?

Staying home is not an option !

Being cynical is not an option !

Waiting on someone else to get it done, is not enough !"




This is obvious to educated, informed citizens such as yourself, most people have to be convinced to vote.

I remember Shirley Sherrod in a radio interview saying how in southern and rural Georgia, state election officials have/are closing voting stations in convenient areas and opening them up in far flung areas, making it difficult if not impossible to cast votes.

"They have voting stations 25 and 30 miles away from people. Those poor people aren't going to travel that far," is what I she said.

And recently, the state of Georgia would not approve 40,000 new voting applications, most coming from Black and urban voting districts, in time for the 2014 mid terms. The Georgia Commissioner of voting, a republican said there is no law forcing him to approve those applications within any specific time limit. A republican judge refused to hear the appeal. In 2014, these things are happening!

President Obama does talk a good game about voter participation, but he has to admit he hasn't done all he could do as the head of the democratic party. Maybe it's because he wants to bring people together in a moderate way and not offend his opponents.

Shirley Sherrod invited the President down to south Georgia to speak to people. He has yet to take her up on the invitation.

The states and particularly the southern states are where voting apathy is most prominent.

I think President Obama could circumvent the race baiters that exploit racism against him. FDR got southern and rural white voters to elect him 4 terms, a northern wealth Yankee, by going directly to them.

The democratic party needs to let poor and middle class whites know that they are basically in the same lot as most Black folk. Multinational corporatist exploit white racism to their benefit. Democrats need to learn to exploit the class warfare the corporations created.​
 
To counter the rightists of the republicans.

I forgot who I'm quoting. I'll put it like this...

The people who you wanted out *conservative democrats* are gone. You got what you wanted. Thus, the Democrats have lost their way....

Yet, I'm extreme with my views.
 
I forgot who I'm quoting. I'll put it like this...

The people who you wanted out *conservative democrats* are gone. You got what you wanted. Thus, the Democrats have lost their way....

Yet, I'm extreme with my views.

The people who you wanted out *conservative democrats* are gone.

Not all of them, yet!

...and you can included those so called centrists with them, the fake republicrats.
 
There are a lot of politicians losing their way (Democrat, Republican, Independent).


What I despise is somebody in a position of power, getting a chicken dinner payout from some corporation, that ends up costing us billions. We need to publicly shame them, so that the next person becomes too afraid.
 
Are you preparing for those post office layoffs?

Government hating republicans and bad old government and all.

for one, I'm a carrier, the likelihood of carriers being laid off is as likely as President Obama adapting trickle down economics.

Secondly, with all the packages USPS is getting from Amazon, the likelihood of anyone being laid off IN TEXAS is very slim.

Finally, I believe you are going with 2010 knowledge of the post office. Amazon pretty much bailed the post office out. Not to mention, we are doing a lot of business with fedex, ups, and other carrier companies.
 

True or Untrue ???



completely untrue.

Basically what I've been saying is that they are becoming what Thoughtone wanted to to be. Their message has been a constant "bigger government fixes all the problems" theme. All the independents have moved away because 1) they are a fickle lot by nature, and 2) they actually see how big government does not solve all of the problems.
 
for one, I'm a carrier, the likelihood of carriers being laid off is as likely as President Obama adapting trickle down economics.

Secondly, with all the packages USPS is getting from Amazon, the likelihood of anyone being laid off IN TEXAS is very slim.

Finally, I believe you are going with 2010 knowledge of the post office. Amazon pretty much bailed the post office out. Not to mention, we are doing a lot of business with fedex, ups, and other carrier companies.


Who's trying to shut down the Post Office, the dems or the GOP?
 
Ut Oh,

:eek:


Centrist Dems ready strike against Warren wing



Centrist Democrats are gathering their forces to fight back against the “Elizabeth Warren wing” of their party, fearing a sharp turn to the left could prove disastrous in the 2016 elections.

* * *

For months, moderate Democrats have kept silent, as Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s (D-Mass.) barbed attacks against Wall Street, income inequality and the “rigged economy” thrilled the base and stirred desire for a more populist approach.


* * *


The New Democrat Coalition (NDC), a caucus of moderate Democrats in the House, plans to unveil an economic policy platform as soon as this week in an attempt to chart a different course.


. . . if Democrats are going to win back the House and Senate, "it's going to be through the work of the New Democrat Coalition."


* * *


"To the extent that Republicans beat up on workers and Democrats beat up on employers — I'm not sure that offers voters much of a vision," Peters said.


* * *


Caught in the crossfire is the party’s likely nominee in 2016, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton . . .



Warren spokeswoman Lacey Rose said in a statement to The Hill that “Warren is a relentless fighter for priorities that will help level the playing field for middle-class families.”



* * *

Publicly, Democratic lawmakers are hesitant to discuss a growing rift.




Privately, moderate Democrats in the Clinton tradition say they have been working behind the scenes to change the party's message.


* * *


President Obama’s victory over Clinton in the 2008 race was the harbinger of a broader shift, with the Democratic caucuses in the House and Senate now further to the left than in at least a generation.

One sign of the shift is the decline of the Blue Dog Coalition, a once-sizable bloc of conservative Democrats that is nearly extinct. More than two-dozen of its members were ousted from office in 2010.


* * *


Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.), who is viewed as a centrist, said . . . the centrist strain of politician is declining and estimated that "there's fewer than 100" left in Congress.

"We need more moderates and centrists in both parties," Carper said. "Part of politics is the art of compromise."









McClatchy Washington Bureau
By David Lightman
February 21, 2015


". . . an inability to turn out enough of its loyal voters, a party task force charged with how to revive the embattled party said . . ."



 

Internal report . . .


— Democrats have become a confused political party with a

(1) muddled message and

(2) an inability to turn out enough of its loyal voters . . .


(3) the embattled party said




True or Untrue ???






completely untrue.

Basically what I've been saying is that they are becoming what Thoughtone wanted to to be. Their message has been a constant "bigger government fixes all the problems" theme. All the independents have moved away because 1) they are a fickle lot by nature, and 2) they actually see how big government does not solve all of the problems.



Discussion - YES !!!
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Rote recitation of GOP talking points -- NO !!!
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The RepubliKlans passed 'poison pill' legislation in 2006 which effectively strangles the U.S. Post Office to a slow but certain Death!. There has been a slight mitigation to the timed bomb destruction of the U.S. Post Office since the 2006 bill, but the fuse is still lit and it is fait accompli that the U.S. Post Office as we have known it since the founding of America is gone.
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<p><b><font face="Trebuchet MS" size="4">My congratulations to FedEx and UPS. By now, you’ve probably heard the United State Postal Service announcement that most of Saturday’s mail service will be eliminated.<br>

Come August 5th there will be no more first-class Saturday mail. You’ll still get packages and express mail and meds but no letters or bills or assorted other stuff you’re used to finding in your mailbox. It’s all part of (wink, wink, nudge, nudge), “restructuring.” What’s being restructured are the votes of plaint legislators swooning to the siren songs and campaign money promises and whatever other sleazy tactics lobbyists use to twist our central government into a corporate-owned meaningless big room with chairs.<br>

I’ve already backgrounded this subject in an earlier submission. <span style="background-color: #FFFF00">The
initial grease for the slide to oblivion was a piece of 2006 legislation with the alleged goal of reforming postal laws. It was titled the “Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act.” A Republican Congress was behind its passage and its singular purpose was designed to kill the USPS.</span><br>

For all the crocodile tears about competition from emails, texting et al, annual Postal Service revenues are about what they were in 2002. What has changed dramatically are the employment numbers. The nation’s largest employer of veterans has sacrificed a total of 200,000 career postal union jobs in the past 10 years.<br>

The 2006 act forced USPS to pre-fund the Postal Service Retiree Health Benefits Plan for a decade paying 75 years forward. Most people who pay attention to current events are already aware of the huge multi-billion dollar obligation and profit drainer. Annual payments range from $5.4 – $5.8 billion. The Postal Service simply can’t pay the current installment.<br>

And while all attention is riveted on the pre-funding issue, little notice is paid to that section of the bill that may sound the death knell for a venerable American institution. It recasts the Postal Regulatory Commission. The PRC is comprised of five members armed with incredible powers, virtually none in service to the Postal Service.<br>

Section 702 as worded “Requires a report from the PRC to the President and Congress on universal postal service and the postal MONOPOLY in the United States, including the monopoly on the delivery of mail and access to mailboxes. A Republican Congress worried about a monopoly after laboring for the past century to guarantee same for their corporate pals?<br>

Then we move on to Section 703. It requires a report from the Federal Trade Commission to the President, Congress and the PRC identifying federal and state laws that apply differently to the Postal Service with respect to the competitive category of mail and to private companies providing similar products.<br>

And here’s the clincher; There’s another oversight group in play here,<span style="background-color: #FFFF00">the Postal Service Board of Governors made up of a Bush-appointed right wing lobbyist and former head of a state Republican Party, a Carlyle
Group (a right-wing international business juggernaut) adviser, a former Republican Representative and a Chairman who is an active member of the Federalist Society. Supreme Court Justices Scalia, Thomas and Alito were once members. Need I say more?<br>

The Board of Governors establishes rates and classes for products in the competitive category of mail (priority and expedited mail, bulk parcel post and bulk international mail and mailgrams). With a 4-1 Republican Board of Governor’s majority, do you suppose these rates might favor the FedEx’s and UPS’s of the world?</span><br>

Here’s the payoff. Under “Modern Rate Regulation”, the PRC is to
establish “a modern system for regulating rates and classes for
market-dominate products.” That would seem to include anything and everything that competitively moves through mail commerce; all first-class mail, parcels and cards, periodicals, standard mail, single-piece parcel post, media mail, bound printed matter, library mail, special services and single-piece international mail. All rate-regulated mind you. Regulation??? <i>But mommy, I taut da wepubicins hated wegulation.</i><br>

I’m not done yet. The system is also required to include an annual LIMITATION on percent changes in rates. Free Market? With hypocritical Republicans anything goes when it comes to destroying a unionized business.<br>

So let’s take a peek at the makeup of this omnipotent Postal Regulatory Commission. Robert Taub is a member. He was appointed by Barack Obama in October of 2011 for a six-year term. He was once Chief of Staff to former Republican Representative John McHugh from upstate New York. Who is John McHugh you ask? Probably the one man who had more to do with the construction and passage of the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act than any single Congressman or woman. That’s who John McHugh is and his former COS is the Fox in the PRC hen house as the Vice Chairman of the PRC looking after his former bosses legislative progeny. So what was Obama thinking? Maybe there’s another fox in the hen house.<br>

Another PRC member is Mark Acton a big shot in the Republican National Committee. He was reappointed by Obama in 2011. Acton served as Executive Director of the RNC Redistricting Committee. You know all about Republican Redistricting especially designed to guarantee perpetual Republican Districts. Welcome back Mr. Acton.<br>

Tony Hammond, a Republican is now serving his third term as
commissioner. Something akin to a lifetime appointment for Republicans I guess. He’s another big RNC guy who was originally appointed by George W. Bush and obligingly re-upped by our current President. Hammond once served on the staff of Mississippi Representative Gene Taylor, a Democrat who proudly announced he voted for John McCain in ’08. He is from Mississippi after all. Oh, and Taylor was the ranking member of the House Post Office and Civil Service Committee when he left office, so staffer Hammond will fit right in at the wake for the USPS.<br>

A couple of years ago the PRC unanimously denied a USPS rate increase request while conceding the Postal Service pre-funding would bring about an even greater money crisis.<br>

The irony of the Saturday closing is that despite claimed savings of billions, it will still be pretty much Saturday business as usual. There’s mail to be sorted for Monday, facilities will still be opened and Mail Carriers only work five-day weeks anyway. Postal employees tell me that there’s still lots of work to do and they see virtually no savings from the move.<br>

Get ready to say bye bye to the Postal Service as we know it and hello to near-monopoly private providers who will charge high prices, pay low “Right to Work” wages, hire a majority of their workers on a part-time basis, pay little or no benefits and realize obscene profits.<br>

It’s the American way as long as Republicans control any part of the political process.<br>

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But, what does that have to do with this:



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The republicans fear their base. The democrats ignore their base.

The message was not muddled. it was very clear in the 2014 mid terms that many Midwestern and southern democrats intentionally positioned themselves as centrists or "left leaning" republicans.

You saw the results of the democratic candidates that shunned the president and Obamacare. The candidates that clearly ran with "liberal" issues and embraced Obamacare won.

I know this is counter productive, but if people think that there is no clear difference between the candidates then they will not brave the hurdles that the republicans place in front of them to exercise their vote.



source: Daily Kos


Marginalized centrist Democrats target Elizabeth Warren 'wing' of party

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Centrist Democrats are in a twit. Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren has reenergized the Democratic party, delivering a distinctly pro-Main Street message that resonates with average Americans across party lines. That has really ticked off the Wall Street wing (i.e. "centrists") of the Democratic Party, reports Kevin Cirilli.
For months, moderate Democrats have kept silent, as Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s (D-Mass.) barbed attacks against Wall Street, income inequality and the “rigged economy” thrilled the base and stirred desire for a more populist approach.

But with the race for the White House set to begin, centrists are moving to seize back the agenda.
Oh yes, with the White House hanging in the balance, centrist Democrats will unveil a rousing economic platform this week that's sure to inspire. Remember when the centrist Democrats delivered all those inspirational speeches after the party got trounced in the 2014 midterms? No, you don't. That's because the person delivering the rallying cry that made people believe again was Sen. Warren.

But Warren's popularity along with her ideas are really starting to tread on centrist Democrats now, making them look oh so '90s.

No worries though, the New Democratic Coalition (NDC) of pro-Wall Street House Democrats is totally going to light it up this week with new messaging. (If you're not familiar with NDC it's because they haven't accomplished anything noteworthy.) They've apparently been working in concert with centrist Democratic groups Third Way, the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI) and New Democratic Network to come up with some good stuff.

That's why Hillary Clinton made a big deal about reaching out to them in December for their ideas. Oh, wait—that was Warren she met with, not the NDC.

What this really comes down to is an attempt by centrists to stay relevant while Warren is busy electrifying the Democratic base and other voters. Otherwise, they might not have the power they've always envisioned in a potential Clinton White House.
 
The republicans fear their base. The democrats ignore their base.

The message was not muddled. it was very clear in the 2014 mid terms that many Midwestern and southern democrats intentionally positioned themselves as centrists or "left leaning" republicans.

You saw the results of the democratic candidates that shunned the president and Obamacare. The candidates that clearly ran with "liberal" issues and embraced Obamacare won.

I know this is counter productive, but if people think that there is no clear difference between the candidates then they will not brave the hurdles that the republicans place in front of them to exercise their vote.


T.O., the message was muddled.

If nothing more, the run away from vs. follow the President shenanigans were confusing and misleading to your base. Clearly, the other side let it be known that they would hang the President (which they were attacking at every angle) around your candidates political necks. Instead of developing a counter to that, democratic candidates scattered in different political directions as if someone had yelled "Ebola" !!! :eek:

That disunity of message induced confusion among the democrats' base, made the party look confused, its message muddled and resulted in a lower turnout.

I know you have a dislike for anything other than what you perceive as purists, but the democratic party prides itself on the Big Tent theory. Get away from inclusion the theory fails and, in many cases, your competition smiles.


 


WASHINGTON — Democrats have become a confused political party with a muddled message and an inability to turn out enough of its loyal voters, a party task force charged with how to revive the embattled party said Saturday.




source: Huffington Post

'Dismal' Doesn't Even Begin To Describe LA's Voter Turnout

With fewer than one out of 10 eligible voters casting ballots at Los Angeles polls Tuesday, America's second-largest city continued a pattern of shockingly low election engagement.

As of Wednesday afternoon, voter turnout in the city's municipal election was just 8.6 percent, the city clerk's office reported. It's the lowest voter turnout in a Los Angeles municipal election since 2003, The Washington Post found. Not all absentee and provisional ballots have been counted, so the turnout may rise slightly.

The low turnout can be partly blamed on a lack of hot-button issues, according to the Los Angeles Times. Voters were casting ballots for city council members, the Board of Education, the community college Board of Trustees and, as it so happened, two charter amendments aimed at increasing voter turnout, which both passed.

“People may think about legalizing marijuana or other kinds of social issues on a regular basis, but whether or not we should link up city and state elections is something very few voters devote brain space to,” Loyola Law School professor Jessica Levinson told the Times.

The two charter amendments will change Los Angeles's municipal primary and general election dates to June and November of even-numbered years from 2020 onward, making them on the same dates as federal and state elections. Supporters said they hope the change draws more voters to the polls.

Low voter participation has been an issue in Los Angeles for several election cycles. The city's last mayoral election in 2013 drew only 18 percent of eligible voters, up just 1 percentage point from the city's voter participation in 2009.

It's a problem that pervades the whole region, the San Francisco Chronicle noted. In the 2014 November election and June primary, Los Angeles County had the lowest voter participation of any county in the state

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