Degrees...are they STILL worth it??
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All I know is, if you’re sending your kids to an out of state school and taking all loans, then that’s wild.
They're better off having their kid learn a trade because that's where the money is at.
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True sometimes.People are making six figures from certifications.
Degrees are a waste of money and time because I know people who got them degrees but never got the job they wanted with those degrees.
Other times to get in the door a degree + certs > certs only.
You're right, they would also need a cert with their degree to have any chance of getting in that door but most don't have a cert and don't want to go to school to learn more after spending a lot of years in college already that they need to start working to payoff that loan.
Depends on each state.. some states have lots of career opportunities where college is not needed ( ny for example) while some other states you need a degree for high paying jobs
Depends.
Do you want the degree because you want a job?
Do you want the degree because you want the knowledge it supposedly entails?
My first degree is in economics. I am not an economist. It got my foot in the door in management with a very large corporation shortly after being graduated. I couldn't get a job in a bank, even as a teller, if my life depended on it at the time.
My second degree actually made me learn something. It QUALIFIED me for more than one job, and being a graduate degree, I found competition at the time to be not so stiff.
Today? Different story. I would still probably get a degree, but it would be something that actually TAUGHT me something that other people need. Most liberal arts degrees allow one to pass the preliminary weeding out processes. They don't really educate you to the degree (pun intended) that people will pay your for specific knowledge you gained as a result.
To make money? Learn how to do something technical. A degree is NOT required for this.
Most Americans are very poorly educated, and generally have difficulty with math. My graduate degree required mastery of basic algebra. MOST of my classmates paid someone to run the stats for the studies they claimed to have conducted to get the masters. I have been paid to rewrite papers for people in grad school. How one gets to grad school without the ability to write a paper is still a mystery...
Then there was the plumber who came to my house, literally turned ONE nut ONE time to stop a leak, and said give me $65. It was supposed to be $85, but he gave me a break. I don't think he had a degree, but he did have employees and a couple of trucks with his name on the side.
Do you want the degree because you want a job?
Do you want the degree because you want the knowledge it supposedly entails?
My first degree is in economics. I am not an economist. It got my foot in the door in management with a very large corporation shortly after being graduated. I couldn't get a job in a bank, even as a teller, if my life depended on it at the time.
My second degree actually made me learn something. It QUALIFIED me for more than one job, and being a graduate degree, I found competition at the time to be not so stiff.
Today? Different story. I would still probably get a degree, but it would be something that actually TAUGHT me something that other people need. Most liberal arts degrees allow one to pass the preliminary weeding out processes. They don't really educate you to the degree (pun intended) that people will pay your for specific knowledge you gained as a result.
To make money? Learn how to do something technical. A degree is NOT required for this.
Most Americans are very poorly educated, and generally have difficulty with math. My graduate degree required mastery of basic algebra. MOST of my classmates paid someone to run the stats for the studies they claimed to have conducted to get the masters. I have been paid to rewrite papers for people in grad school. How one gets to grad school without the ability to write a paper is still a mystery...
Then there was the plumber who came to my house, literally turned ONE nut ONE time to stop a leak, and said give me $65. It was supposed to be $85, but he gave me a break. I don't think he had a degree, but he did have employees and a couple of trucks with his name on the side.
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This is a crazy thought. But. How we view the value of education based on the value of what you learn not based on the market for the degree.
Simply. People should be going to school to learn shit not to get a higher paying job. If your goal is just a higher paying job their are other ways to do it than education.
Simply. People should be going to school to learn shit not to get a higher paying job. If your goal is just a higher paying job their are other ways to do it than education.
THIS.
They usually supposed to have a plumber's license along with certification for those jobs but they can get away with working those jobs illegally.
Some jobs won’t even look at you if you don’t have a degree. College is about continued development and showing you’re capable of being disciplined to stay up late nights to sacrifice and study. Also to learn shit. People are retarded, college also is to help you network with people who may end up successful that can benefit you. Even if they don’t finish most successful people spent some sort of time in a College
I'm sure he had all of the above. He is very good. But a degree is not required.
Yup, but not everyone is cut out for college because some people should learn a a trade. College isn't for everybody and that's fine.
Exactly go to college if you actually want to learn shit and have an idea of what you want to do in life. Trades are great too.
The dirty little secret is that most non-techincal baccalaureate degrees simply amount to membership in a club. It allows you to clear the first hurdle. Those jobs attract ALL kinds, because anybody with a pulse, the time, and money can get, say, an MSW degree. This is why there are so many stupid teachers, social workers, and generally anybody you might need if you fall on hard financial times.
I am generalizing, but not excessively.
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