Cran: The BS HYPE HAS RESTARTED

SpiritualPorn

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
AM I missing something?

WHen did tobe change to this extent? I wouldn't buy shit that Kobe is selling!!!
I really see what you are saying now



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cranrab

Star
BGOL Investor
good for him

SP,

12dailypro.com (and the other autosurfing scams) and tobe are 2 prime examples of how you can get the public to believe in just about anything (no matter how unsubstantiated) these days...

the most amusing part is how irate some sensitive people get when you tell them that their king isn't wearing any clothes...

:cool:

here are the 2 most common errors in reasoning tobe supporters use:

The Appeal to Popularity
has the following form:


Most people approve of X (have favorable emotions towards X).
Therefore X is true.

The basic idea is that a claim is accepted as being true simply because most people are favorably inclined towards the claim. More formally, the fact that most people have favorable emotions associated with the claim is substituted in place of actual evidence for the claim. A person falls prey to this fallacy if he accepts a claim as being true simply because most other people approve of the claim.

It is clearly fallacious to accept the approval of the majority as evidence for a claim. For example, suppose that a skilled speaker managed to get most people to absolutely love the claim that 1+1=3. It would still not be rational to accept this claim simply because most people approved of it. After all, mere approval is no substitute for a mathematical proof. At one time people approved of claims such as "the world is flat", "humans cannot survive at speeds greater than 25 miles per hour", "the sun revolves around the earth" but all these claims turned out to be false.

This sort of "reasoning" is quite common and can be quite an effective persusasive device. Since most humans tend to conform with the views of the majority, convincing a person that the majority approves of a claim is often an effective way to get him to accept it. Advertisers often use this tactic when they attempt to sell products by claiming that everyone uses and loves their products. In such cases they hope that people will accept the (purported) approval of others as a good reason to buy the product.

This fallacy is vaguely similar to such fallacies as Appeal to Belief and Appeal to Common Practice. However, in the case of an Ad Populum the appeal is to the fact that most people approve of a claim. In the case of an Appeal to Belief, the appeal is to the fact that most people believe a claim. In the case of an Appeal to Common Practice, the appeal is to the fact that many people take the action in question.

This fallacy is closely related to the Appeal to Emotion fallacy, as discussed in the entry for that fallacy.

Examples of Appeal to Popularity

"My fellow Americans...there has been some talk that the government is overstepping its bounds by allowing police to enter peoples' homes without the warrants traditionally required by the Constitution. However, these are dangerous times and dangerous times require appropriate actions. I have in my office thousands of letters from people who let me know, in no uncertain terms, that they heartily endorse the war against crime in these United States. Because of this overwhelming approval, it is evident that the police are doing the right thing."

"I read the other day that most people really like the new gun control laws. I was sort of suspicious of them, but I guess if most people like them, then they must be okay."

Jill and Jane have some concerns that the rules their sorority has set are racist in character. Since Jill is a decent person, she brings her concerns up in the next meeting. The president of the sorority assures her that there is nothing wrong with the rules, since the majority of the sisters like them. Jane accepts this ruling but Jill decides to leave the sorority.

and,

Appeal to Belief is a fallacy that has this general pattern:


Most people believe that a claim, X, is true.
Therefore X is true.

This line of "reasoning" is fallacious because the fact that many people believe a claim does not, in general, serve as evidence that the claim is true.
 

SpiritualPorn

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
Re: good for him

cranrab said:
SP,

12dailypro.com (and the other autosurfing scams) and tobe are 2 prime examples of how you can get the public to believe in just about anything (no matter how unsubstantiated) these days...

the most amusing part is how irate some sensitive people get when you tell them that their king isn't wearing any clothes...

:cool:

here are the 2 most common errors in reasoning tobe supporters use:

The Appeal to Popularity
has the following form:


Most people approve of X (have favorable emotions towards X).
Therefore X is true.

The basic idea is that a claim is accepted as being true simply because most people are favorably inclined towards the claim. More formally, the fact that most people have favorable emotions associated with the claim is substituted in place of actual evidence for the claim. A person falls prey to this fallacy if he accepts a claim as being true simply because most other people approve of the claim.

It is clearly fallacious to accept the approval of the majority as evidence for a claim. For example, suppose that a skilled speaker managed to get most people to absolutely love the claim that 1+1=3. It would still not be rational to accept this claim simply because most people approved of it. After all, mere approval is no substitute for a mathematical proof. At one time people approved of claims such as "the world is flat", "humans cannot survive at speeds greater than 25 miles per hour", "the sun revolves around the earth" but all these claims turned out to be false.

This sort of "reasoning" is quite common and can be quite an effective persusasive device. Since most humans tend to conform with the views of the majority, convincing a person that the majority approves of a claim is often an effective way to get him to accept it. Advertisers often use this tactic when they attempt to sell products by claiming that everyone uses and loves their products. In such cases they hope that people will accept the (purported) approval of others as a good reason to buy the product.

This fallacy is vaguely similar to such fallacies as Appeal to Belief and Appeal to Common Practice. However, in the case of an Ad Populum the appeal is to the fact that most people approve of a claim. In the case of an Appeal to Belief, the appeal is to the fact that most people believe a claim. In the case of an Appeal to Common Practice, the appeal is to the fact that many people take the action in question.

This fallacy is closely related to the Appeal to Emotion fallacy, as discussed in the entry for that fallacy.

Examples of Appeal to Popularity

"My fellow Americans...there has been some talk that the government is overstepping its bounds by allowing police to enter peoples' homes without the warrants traditionally required by the Constitution. However, these are dangerous times and dangerous times require appropriate actions. I have in my office thousands of letters from people who let me know, in no uncertain terms, that they heartily endorse the war against crime in these United States. Because of this overwhelming approval, it is evident that the police are doing the right thing."

"I read the other day that most people really like the new gun control laws. I was sort of suspicious of them, but I guess if most people like them, then they must be okay."

Jill and Jane have some concerns that the rules their sorority has set are racist in character. Since Jill is a decent person, she brings her concerns up in the next meeting. The president of the sorority assures her that there is nothing wrong with the rules, since the majority of the sisters like them. Jane accepts this ruling but Jill decides to leave the sorority.

and,

Appeal to Belief is a fallacy that has this general pattern:


Most people believe that a claim, X, is true.
Therefore X is true.

This line of "reasoning" is fallacious because the fact that many people believe a claim does not, in general, serve as evidence that the claim is true.


But why this Tobe punk?

I don't get this guy being a media darling at any point in his career....he has never told a joke in public that I can remember.

I will get criticized for hate however I have seen many a good player overhyped and never amount to the hype that surrounded them.(Ralph Sampson,Mateen Cleaves,Sam Perkins,Mark Agguire)

Is the press just so unwilling to admit they were totally wrong about him so in rehabbing him they are rehabbing themselves?

Thanks for the analysis......Not too many people see the big picture.
 

cranrab

Star
BGOL Investor
easy

SpiritualPorn said:
But why this Tobe punk?

because tobe is the only viable candidate.

what are the 3 major media markets? los angeles, chicago, new york

of those 3 cities, which of them has a young player with a championship?

knicks? zero

bulls? zero

clippers? nope, but notice the groundwork being laid down for elton brand just in case?

fakers? tobe. that renders him bankable, and the best bet.

pure marketing strategy. NO substance.

SpiritualPorn said:
I will get criticized for hate however I have seen many a good player overhyped and never amount to the hype that surrounded them.(Ralph Sampson,Mateen Cleaves,Sam Perkins,Mark Agguire)

interesting list you compiled.

ralph sampson IMO remains under-rated, largely because he played in the shadow of akeem olajuwon... i was a non-believer in ralph sampson, but he impressed the hell out of me when he put the rockets on his back during their failed run at a championship... there was more than 1 occasion where akeem olajuwon had to sit (or was DQ'd) due to PFs, and ralph sampson carried the rockets to wins without blinking an eye...

sam perkins was a solid player... was he ever expected to be a franchise player?

mark aguirre was a good player too... reminded me of a less dominant version of adrian dantley... we're not likely to see players with their unique skill sets and body types any more...

SpiritualPorn said:
Is the press just so unwilling to admit they were totally wrong about him so in rehabbing him they are rehabbing themselves?

the press knows that tobe (and nike) are pulling a con job... the press (for the most part) just doesn't care... they're going along for the ride until the PR machine churns out the next YOUNG popular player...

the NBA gave up on hyping older players with ed nealy...
 
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