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A New Idea About How to Stop School Shootings
A nationwide teacher walkout could be the one thing to shake us out of our stupor.
By Dahlia LithwickFeb. 16, 2018 9:06 PM
On Wednesday, as the nation grieved one of the worst school shootings in American history, journalists republished old articles that had been written about previous mass shootings in American history. Elected officials, too, recycled the same threadbare thoughts and prayers that were left over from the last tragedy, although they have at least stopped saying “thoughts and prayers.” I did, though, encounter one new idea—a proposal made by educational psychologist David C. Berlinerthat was posted on Diane Ravitch’s education blog:

It is way past time. Between now and May 1st teachers have to agree on the gun legislation they want. They can consult with [Gabby] Giffords and [Mark] Kelly, and others who have suffered, such as the parents who have already lost children to this horrible characteristic of our culture. If by May 1st they have not received assurance that their legislation for sanity in gun ownership will be acted on soon, they need to walk out of our schools. It would be May Day, when workers should exert their strength.

Our country’s legislators, and the voters who send them to make our laws, can then choose: Teachers and (most) parents for sane gun laws, or, the NRA that provides our legislators money to avoid making the laws that could reduce the carnage we see too frequently.

Almost all of America’s 3 million teachers—nurturers and guardians of our youth—want sensible gun laws. They deserve that. But they have to be ready to exert the power they have by walking out of their schools if they do not get what they want. They have to exert the reputational power that 3 million of our most admired voters have. Neither the NRA nor their legislative puppets will be able stand up to that. My advice is to start meeting now, write model legislation, submit it to state and federal legislators, and if rebuffed, close down our schools until you get what you (and the rest of us) deserve.

Save our children.

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Berliner’s solution was at once the most proactive and elegant thing I’d seen in a day characterized by hopelessness and paralysis. I’ve been struck by the fact that teachers have the smartest things to say about school violence, masculinity, saving lives, and guns. That’s because unlike craven politicians and the NRA, teachers don’t get to hide from the victims of gun violence, or predetermine when the moment for hopes and prayers has lapsed into the moment for business as usual (an ever narrowing time span). We should listen to the teachers, who aren’t allowed to grow bored and move on.

I reached out to Berliner—a regents’ professor emeritus at Arizona State University, and a past president of the American Educational Research Association and the division of educational psychology of the American Psychological Association—to ask where his idea came from and how he feels about the notion of “politicizing tragedy.” Our conversation, edited for clarity, follows.


Dahlia Lithwick: I found myself completely immobilized after the shooting and unable to write. I feel like I write the same thing every time this happens. What possessed you to post this?

David Berliner: Enough. I’d had enough. After it posted we got so many responses, including from the American Federation of Teachers and the National Education Association. I had originally proposed May 1 but we decided April 20 would be the day for teachers to close schools down, or take an hour to walk around campus, or take a day off to go to their legislatures with model legislation. Look, ALEC and the NRA buy legislators with model legislation and a check. And so April 20 will become the day on which teachers can say, “No. You will never ever be elected again if you don’t pass sensible laws, and there are all sorts of things that can be done that don’t violate the Constitution.” I’ve just had enough.

What do you say to proposals that teachers simply be armed themselves in order to protect their classrooms?

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I don’t even know how to answer that. I think that’s what’s known as “hardening the target.” You build a house made of bricks, the bombs just get bigger. Arming teachers doesn’t solve the problem. We want children to feel safe in their classrooms. They shouldn’t feel like they are under siege. They want and need a stable world, not one they have nightmares about. When Arizona was considering passing a law that would allow concealed carry on campus, I wrote to every single legislator and told them I would never ever give any student an F grade again if the law passed. If they were worried about grade inflation, they should know I wouldn’t ever deal with a kid who had an F grade unless I also had a gun. Which is really the stupidest thing possible—students and professors, all packing guns. The Old West died for a good reason.

And what’s your response to the people who say that it’s unseemly to politicize a tragedy by talking about gun policy?

But it is about guns. And I am making it about guns. I just can’t fathom why people need to hunt using automatic weapons. I can acknowledge that there can be problems and disputes about interpreting what the Second Amendment means with respect to militias, but there are the kinds of normal precautions we can discuss about public safety. After 9/11 we enacted public safety measures in airports, for instance. It seems to me we have the same issue here. I’m not against shooting or hunting. But I don’t believe we should let 14-year-olds drive or 15-year-olds buy a drink at a bar. And if the NRA is basically just paying people to vote a certain way, there has to be a cost. They have to know they will lose their jobs.

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I mean no disrespect for what I'm about to say.

Please forgive me if I come off a little insensitive.

FUCK THEM DEAD ASS CAC's!

Where was the outrage when our kids get killed?

White AmeriKKKa didn't give a shit.

The Universe will always balance itself.

For everyone one of ours that dies at the hands of injustice so shall theirs.

FUCK ALL CAVES BEASTS, PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE!


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In theory theory this could be as powerful as the bus boycotts of the 50s.

Not really. Republicans don’t want to pay for education anyway, and teachers missing paychecks because schools are closed won’t move them one iota.

All they would do to end the shit when they were ready would be to start arresting parents for their kids not being in school. Protest over.

One day, progressives will learn that if they would just come out and vote en masse, that does more than all the protests.
 
It's a stupid idea. Even dumber than electing chump.

I mean no disrespect for what I'm about to say.

Please forgive me if I come off a little insensitive.

FUCK THEM DEAD ASS CAC's!

Where was the outrage when our kids get killed?

White AmeriKKKa didn't give a shit.

The Universe will always balance itself.

For everyone one of ours that dies at the hands of injustice so shall theirs.

FUCK ALL CAVES BEASTS, PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE!


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I agree.
 
Stupid people shit.


this is stupid, gun control is like giving you foot fungus medication when you have a fever.
this country has a mental disorder problem and they keep avoiding it to not hurt anyone's feelings. because god forbid you point out that someone's kid is fuckin crazy! :smh:
 
Stupid people shit.


this is stupid, gun control is like giving you foot fungus medication when you have a fever.
this country has a mental disorder problem and they keep avoiding it to not hurt anyone's feelings. because god forbid you point out that someone's kid is fuckin crazy! :smh:
Bull SHIT

Doctors are pooring psyc meds down these kids throats
 
Discernment, discernment, discernment!!!

Repetition is a sign, the media is conditioning the human brain!!!

But as usual, nobody gives two fucks!! Now back to your regular schedule programming!!!
 
Man, I don't understand some of yall. Some of yall spend thread after thread bitching about millennials. Calling them lazy. Now they finally take some initiative and yall bitching about that too. These young people don't have voting power. They're organizing. They're using their power. We should support them.
 
We already know how this ends. When you can kill little cac babies and nothing changes, Killing cac high school students is only marginally worse. NRA pay congress too much to give a fuck about the people they represent. They minuswell stay in school.
 
Man, I don't understand some of yall. Some of yall spend thread after thread bitching about millennials. Calling them lazy. Now they finally take some initiative and yall bitching about that too. These young people don't have voting power. They're organizing. They're using their power. We should support them.
Those kids aren’t Millennials (Gen Y) they’re Centennials (Gen Z, iGen). I guess they’re going to be different than the so-called lazy Millennials.
 
no offense meant here as well. fuck all of the people that dont understand that there is a larger power at play here. i feel for the parents, i really do. how about one of them go smoke this terrorist and let justice be done. but dont you dare fuck with my right to bear arms. as many of our children that have ded from guns and gun violence....now you want to do something about it. the problem is outlawing the so called assault weapons will only leave the criminal with arms enough to do criminal activity. i want to be able to match round for round with equal firepower should the need ever arise....but you want to take that ability out of my law abiding hands bc someone who looks like the dominant majority and in fact is a home grown admitted terrorist committed a foul and unspeakable act that deserves the death penalty. deal with the mofos who commit the violence and not the tools that they use to do such. a terrorist recently killed as many people by using a car.....no one is suggesting that we ban all cars.
I disavowed the NRA years ago after learning their BS, but we agree on these words. the right to bear arms, shall not be infringed. yes i am a black man, a veteran, a father, a tax payer, and a defender of my home/community. why take away the ability to defend my home bc you wont discipline your own kids and they turn into these self entitled spoiled rotten murderous monsters.
they wont even call this white monster a terrorist evne though he has admitted the murders, he has admitted he is a member of the white supremacist group and they have admitted that he was a member and yet THE FBI REMOVED WHITE SUPREMACIST GROUPS FROM THE DOMESTIC TERRORIST WATCHLIST.
WHERE IS ALL THE OUTRAGE ABOUT THAT....LOCK THESE DOMESTIC TERRORIST ORGS UP AND STOP LOCKING FOR BLACK IDENTITY EXTREMIST THAT DONT EXIST.

i believe this is more about the white nationalist/supremacist showing their power and not beng scared of the law/prosecution than it is about these dead kids....im still waiting on the terrorist label to be stuck to this muthafuker.
 
.....TEACHERS and ADMINISTRATORS need to join students to make this effective. Otherwise it's going to be a waste.
I disagree. They shouldn’t join just yet. They should be included later. If they are to join right away the break up the teachers union would muddle the story. Besides teachers aren’t slaughtered like that it’s the damn kids. Kids in the surburbs, and kids in the cities.
 
Man, I don't understand some of yall. Some of yall spend thread after thread bitching about millennials. Calling them lazy. Now they finally take some initiative and yall bitching about that too. These young people don't have voting power. They're organizing. They're using their power. We should support them.
At what do you realize the posters on this forum are full of it? Let these old folks live and collect their pension.

I was the Women’s March in Philadelphia and was disappointed with the older black turnout . I saw old white people in wheelchairs with signs that made me wish I was illiterate because they were so vulgar. One sign read ‘Putin pissed in the presidents shithole’.

Maybe they’re more repressed sexually white folks than black folks in the city. But I think a president who wouldn’t be against using us as the Jews should bring more of us out.
 
good. i invested in private prison stocks and the recession is coming
They’re all down around $20. I’m waiting on them too. I think they could dip to $18 before summer because nothing trump is doing is getting through that would fill them. If the DACA rule goes away, the shares will go up. If the Wall gets funded, they will drop. You need sessions to fuck up legal weeds and the wall not to be built for prison stocks to reall get going.
 
Man, I don't understand some of yall. Some of yall spend thread after thread bitching about millennials. Calling them lazy. Now they finally take some initiative and yall bitching about that too. These young people don't have voting power. They're organizing. They're using their power. We should support them.

AND by the next election in 2020, they WILL be voting.
 
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