Coach the Knicks

[RunawaySlave]

Larry Brown has had over 30 different starting lineups this season
And despite that, he still manages to play all 12 guys night in and
night out...We all know that does NOT work (somebody tell Larry)
so if you had to pick a lineup out of these guys, who would you
pick????


<TABLE class=yspwhitebg cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=ysprow1 vAlign=top><TD></TD><TD>Jackie Butler</TD><TD>FC</TD><TD>6-10</TD><TD>260</TD><TD>3/10/85 </TD><TD>1</TD><TD>None</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow2 vAlign=top><TD> </TD><TD>Jamal Crawford</TD><TD>SG</TD><TD>6-5</TD><TD>190</TD><TD>3/20/80 </TD><TD>5</TD><TD>Michigan</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 vAlign=top><TD></TD><TD>Eddy Curry</TD><TD>C</TD><TD>6-11</TD><TD>285</TD><TD>12/5/82 </TD><TD>4</TD><TD>None</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow2 vAlign=top><TD> </TD><TD>Steve Francis</TD><TD>PG</TD><TD>6-3</TD><TD>200</TD><TD>2/21/77 </TD><TD>6</TD><TD>Maryland</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 vAlign=top><TD> </TD><TD>Channing Frye</TD><TD>FC</TD><TD>6-11</TD><TD>248</TD><TD>5/17/83 </TD><TD>R</TD><TD>Arizona</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow2 vAlign=top><TD> </TD><TD>Jerome James</TD><TD>C</TD><TD>7-1</TD><TD>272</TD><TD>11/17/75 </TD><TD>7</TD><TD>Florida A&M</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 vAlign=top><TD> </TD><TD>David Lee</TD><TD>F</TD><TD>6-9</TD><TD>235</TD><TD>4/29/83 </TD><TD>R</TD><TD>Florida</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow2 vAlign=top><TD> </TD><TD>Stephon Marbury</TD><TD>PG</TD><TD>6-2</TD><TD>205</TD><TD>2/20/77 </TD><TD>9</TD><TD>Georgia Tech</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 vAlign=top><TD> </TD><TD>Quentin Richardson</TD><TD>GF</TD><TD>6-6</TD><TD>230</TD><TD>4/13/80 </TD><TD>5</TD><TD>DePaul</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow2 vAlign=top><TD> </TD><TD>Nate Robinson</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>5-9</TD><TD>180</TD><TD>5/31/84 </TD><TD>R</TD><TD>Washington</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 vAlign=top><TD> </TD><TD>Jalen Rose</TD><TD>GF</TD><TD>6-8</TD><TD>225</TD><TD>1/30/73 </TD><TD>11</TD><TD>Michigan</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow2 vAlign=top><TD> </TD><TD>Malik Rose</TD><TD>F</TD><TD>6-7</TD><TD>255</TD><TD>11/23/74 </TD><TD>9</TD><TD>Drexel</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 vAlign=top><TD> </TD><TD>Maurice Taylor</TD><TD>PF</TD><TD>6-9</TD><TD>265</TD><TD>10/30/76 </TD><TD>8</TD><TD>Michigan</TD></TR><TR class=ysprow2 vAlign=top><TD> </TD><TD>Qyntel Woods</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

 

[xfactor]

@ that roster.

If I was coaching the team (knowing that the Tricks arent going anywhere anytime soon) my 9 man rotation would be this:

SF- Q. Richardson
PF- Frye
C- Eddy Curry
PG- Marbury
SG- Crawford

Bench

Francis
Rose
Woods
Lee

 

[cranrab]

Knicks

if you had to pick a lineup out of these guys, who would you pick????

what a boondoggle... the knicks have a real shortage at SF...

eddy curry
malik rose
quentin richardson
jamal crawford
stephon marbury

with this bench:

jerome james
maurice taylor
jalen rose
nate robinson

all the others would be trade bait for a starting SF, with QR going to the bench...

that's my traditional lineup... but if i were going for small ball, here is what i'd pick:

channing frye
maurice taylor
jamal crawford
stephon marbury
steve francis

with this bench:

eddy curry
malik rose
jalen rose
quentin richardson
nate robinson

now we just have to wait 5 more hours to see who's closest...

 

[RunawaySlave]

Damn, I forgot to add mine!!

Well, as you can tell from my fantasy roster, I'm not against
going with rookies, especially when you need to rebuild. Plus
it seems like they are built to run and gun. Nothing to lose at
this point, so this would be my lineup:


Curry (with a VERY short leash)
Frye
Jalen Rose
Francis
Marbury

6th man Crawford (he's better at this role)
7th man David Lee
8th man Taylor

James and Butler are cannon fodder. Their
services will only be needed against the grinders

defense be damned. Let's RUN!!!



Happy Trails:
Richardson
Malik Rose (pull the chair out from under his ass and sendem packing)


Curry never comes out of the game. If he gets his 6th
foul in the 1st quarter (and he just might), James comes
in and he plays until HE fouls out....Now that my centers
have BOTH fouled out by halftime........ , Channing
Frye's lightweight ass will take over at center. If he needs
a rest, Mo Taylor's fat ass will play center until he runs
himself into some kind of shape. Once he pulls his hammy
(and he will, trust me) Butler's fat ass will replace him.

Francis and Marbury are rocks. They play hurt, they will be
on the court 40 minutes each. Which means Jamal will back
them both up and play about 16-20 minutes, as he will also
play alot in my three guard offense, as will Jalen Rose.

With my remaining flotsam, (Q, Nate, Qyntel), I will acquire
a new PF....An ABOVE THE RIM cat to rebound and punch
shots from the sky and to spell poor Channing who is seeing
double duty at C and PF (unless Curry and James stop fouling
out before halftime ) I'm talking about a finisher. A Kenyon
Martin type but taller. Somebody to YANG that shit in Alonzo
Mourning's face. Somebody crazy, but somebody who LOVES
to run (and not to grind). I'm thinking Stromile Swift. I can
get him for Q and Nate

Enough of this bullshit. Basketball ain't rocket science. If we're
gonna lose, let's go down fighting.

 

[RunawaySlave]

Oh yeah....I forgot. With Qyntel, I pay him (under the table of course)
to go up to a referee and clock his ass. Make sure he knows not to
call that bullshit they've been calling on Eddie no more either. Or he
and Little Nate can Hi-lo the referee and make him bust his ass. They'll
get suspended, but they won't be missed. And the refs will stop calling
Eddie for breathing on his defender too hard

Q and Nate would be my enforcers. Whenever we play a flop happy
team, their assignments would be to stomp on them every time they
fall back. Elbow smash em. Don't worry about the flagrants, the Dolans
appreciate your loyalty and will reward you. Nate, you get a lifetime
supply of Snickers bars and Q gets a weed farm

 

[Mellonomama]

@ that roster.

If I was coaching the team (knowing that the Tricks arent going anywhere anytime soon) my 9 man rotation would be this:

SF- Q. Richardson
PF- Frye
C- Eddy Curry
PG- Marbury
SG- Crawford

Bench

Francis
Rose
Woods
Lee

xfactor??????? why Q??? You hoping he does well next year. he has been trash all year and even before the death of his bro. id rather crawford at the three and Q off the bench(maybe). Franchise and marbury will relish together (i Hope) marbury at the 2 and franchise at the point frye 4 and that lee kid is good off thebench and curry at the 5.

 

[cranrab]

the wait is over

eddy curry
channing frye
quentin richardson
steve francis
stephon marbury

q1 just started, they're already down by 10 to the nets...

 

[RunawaySlave]

Missed the first half, but got to catch the second. Soon as I sat
down, Nenad Krstic "draws" two fouls on EC in about 25 seconds
All the dude di was fall down as soon as Curry touched him and
the refs practically blew the whistles out of their mouths...more
of the same....

However, I was encouraged by the brief run the Knicks made in
the 4th....Francis and Marbury work well, but it's obvious Steph
is not his greatest when he has to give up the rock and do other
things.....It looked good with he, Francis and Jalen though. Steph
can't bitch anymore about him not getting offensive support.
Jalen can fill it up and Francis doesn't require any help to break a
defense down either. So no one can double him. If they play
smart (which will be difficult playing under Brown and his "system")
they can win some games

The unit I mentioned played very well together with Frye. Those
four should go for about 35 minutes each..........



Meanwhile, my Nets still have no front line. We are reduced to
having Krstic and Collins flopping around like fish.....It might get
them to the playoffs, but they'll get STEAMrolled once they get
their......flopping doesn't work as well when I gotta play you
again tomorrow night again

 

[Sango]

Meanwhile, my Nets still have no front line. We are reduced to
having Krstic and Collins flopping around like fish.....It might get
them to the playoffs, but they'll get STEAMrolled once they get
their......flopping doesn't work as well when I gotta play you
again tomorrow night again

It's Unreal how the Gm's miss this or just don't give a fuck.
How can anyone bear watch, Grown ass men fall like RAg dolls.
Vlade Divac started this trend and it has grown into part of the
Big Man's game. WTF happen to that Chop to your neck type of
Foul and it was ok b/c it's part of the Game. Next thing will be
Personal Foul 1 & 2...Depending on serverity like the Techs.

BTW
SF-Rose
PF-Frye- got potential with that midrange shot.
C-Curry-How many fouls are they going to call on this man night in night out.
PG-Marbury
SG-Francis

Immediate bench subs:
Lee-brings a lot of energy
Qrich- yet after last night and his early bricks I wanted to choke him into the locker room
Crawford-instant O when he's on
James-never liked him in Seattle, lacks effort but we need another big man after Curry fouls out for the year.
Mo.T-another body.

The rest are excess on the court.

 

[cranrab]

Oh, The Humanity!

somebody stop the bleeding!

is anybody watching this disaster?

eddy curry and channing fry both 'foul out' of the 1st half in only 15 combined minutes played!

it's not like they had to play against shaquille o'neal tonight either...

knicks down by 26 at the half against the wizards...

 

[Sango]

Re: Oh, The Humanity!

Man that shit was pathetic. I was really trying to give them
a chance to get some team chemistry but after watching this
shit it's clear to me that someone that's considered "key" has to
go. These kats have given up and have forgot that Defense has
been the key to any winning team and not to mention the foundation
of Knick Pride. As a fan I'm disgusted at this bullshit. And WTF was
Larry Brown thinking with his substitution. Although the foul troubles,
It seem like he was lost in finding the right combination on the floor.
Tough season or not, none of these mofukas look like they're hungry
enough to play tough knick basketball, win or lose. Gilbert Arenas was
toying with both Marbury and Francis. Malik Rose should pull the trigger
himself in the locker room. and any man with the 1st name of Jackie shouldn't
be playing a man's sport. Thanks for reading my rant.

 

[RunawaySlave]

Re: Oh, The Humanity!

Man that shit was pathetic. I was really trying to give them
a chance to get some team chemistry but after watching this
shit it's clear to me that someone that's considered "key" has to
go. These kats have given up and have forgot that Defense has
been the key to any winning team and not to mention the foundation
of Knick Pride. As a fan I'm disgusted at this bullshit. And WTF was
Larry Brown thinking with his substitution. Although the foul troubles,
It seem like he was lost in finding the right combination on the floor.
Tough season or not, none of these mofukas look like they're hungry
enough to play tough knick basketball, win or lose. Gilbert Arenas was
toying with both Marbury and Francis. Malik Rose should pull the trigger
himself in the locker room. and any man with the 1st name of Jackie shouldn't
be playing a man's sport. Thanks for reading my rant.

Can't argue with any of this. Just finished watching it on tape
GA literally ran Steph off the court, 23 in the first quarter, like
35 in the first half....Steph suddenly was too hurt to go in the
second (yeah, right)


I for one am tired of some of the weird assed calls against EC.
Cran, if you saw the game, this was indicative of the way shit
has gone all season. Curry can't even stick his arm out in front
of his body without somebody flying to the ground. If I didn't
know any better, I'd swear EC was the Incredible Hulk because
he's just sooooooo much stronger than everyone else....What's
really hurting him is that his coach does NOT fight for him on
the court. The old Brown would be in that ref's face, instead,
he's trying to reason with the ref like a crackhead begging for a
dollar. Maybe he's feeling well, maybe he's getting too old for
the NBA life. I think he's just one of those people who cannot
play under NY pressure. But the FIGHT is definitely gone from
Brown. This might be yet another contract that the Knicks have
to eat because there's NO WAY Brown is gonna last 5 years

And his ridiculous substitutions are not helping. Having Malik
and Mo Taylor in at the same time is suicide. Wizards were
having a party going to the hoop against those two and Butler

 

[Sango]

Re: Oh, The Humanity!

Did anybody see last night's game against the Spurs?
Pure mayhem. Stevie Francis forgot how to pass.
I'd swear he was shaving points off a 20+ pts deficit.
Amazing simply amazing, I even saw Larry B mumble
"fucking sloppy". For the least! You'd think Stephon
would take this to heart and wild out and prob karate
chop someone, naa they all take it with no vaseline. Not 1
Guard is a good defender or pressure the ball. The time
Finley had to shoot 3pointers was prob equivalent to 3porn scenes
with facials. I'm done!

 

[RunawaySlave]

What has happened is that the team (except for Crawford)
has tuned Larry Brown out and I think I know why.....

He has tried so many combinations. It seems like he has tried
everything in the book to right this ship. But there is one
thing....one combination he has NOT tried and appears to be
too scared or weak willed to try....

He hasn't benched Stephon Marbury.

Every single Knick has had to come off of the bench with the
exception of Steph. But it is Steph who has shown the propensity
to mope THE MOST when things aren't going right. His entire body
language says he does NOT want to play for Brown. If you
watch closely, he never ONCE put his hands up on defense. In
fact the only time his hands ever leave his side is when he would
gester for the ball from the inbounds passer AFTER the basket
was made.....

Gilbert Arenas ran him OFF the court (he was hurt in the 2nd half
right?), Last night Parker sonned him too. He deserved to be
benched weeks ago, but Larry was too weak, or did not care enuf
to do so. People are not fools, they can see when people don't care
about something. Players can tell too. All that shit you say in public
makes no difference if it doens't apply to everybody on the team
Not just the whipping boys

In the past, the excuse for not benching Steph was that there was
no one you could replace him with in the lineup. No one who bring
what he did to the Knicks. But that is not true anymore. Now that
you have Francis, who is at least as good, at the same things. But
Brown would rather alienate Francis and Rose by benching them
(even though they just got here and have done nothing wrong yet),
than bench the cat who is at the FOREfront of all the Knicks problems
By not even addressing Steph's situation (but addressing everyone
else's), Brown loses all credibility with the team. Plus they know he
never really had Steph's respect to begin with (after the Olympics)

When the Knicks play now, what you are seeing is a mirror image
of the coach who doesn't care whether he wins or loses games
anymore and is too afraid to reprimand the one who is really
responsible. Or the most high profiled problem

It's almost as if he is back in San Antonio and the team is deliberately
TANKING games AGAIN. (I know y'all ain't forgot that...I haven't)
Except there is no Tim Duncan at the end of all this. Just the axe for
Isiah Thomas

Larry is talking all this shit about too many young guys, but the truth is
that he is scared to tell it like it is. Either he is scared, or he does not
care....because he is NOT making moves that a 2nd year coach would
make. He would get automatic respect from everyone if he BENCHED
Steph. Not some fake "injury" where he's one the sidelines in his
Armani suit, but ON THE BENCH in his warmups like Penny Hardway
or Nate Robinson (or J.R. Smith was on my fantasy team, lol)

Then the team would wake up

 

[SuperGenius]

I saw the game against San Antonio last night.......A DAMN SHAME!! I as a Knick fan, was truly disgusted at how the Knicks just GAVE UP! I have a strange feeling Marbury is a goner, they need to get a Steve Nash/Chauncy Billups/Sam Cassell type of guard. Stephon Maubury does not make his team better. The three above mentioned do, it's just that simple. They'll make a run at Kevin Garnett (a strong one at that). Eddy (halftime) Curry needs to get some fire in his belly, he dosen't have it. Another example of how college make a athelete better

Larry Brown and Isiah Thomas will be there next year, unless they resign.

 

[xfactor]

xfactor??????? why Q??? You hoping he does well next year. he has been trash all year and even before the death of his bro. id rather crawford at the three and Q off the bench(maybe). Franchise and marbury will relish together (i Hope) marbury at the 2 and franchise at the point frye 4 and that lee kid is good off thebench and curry at the 5.

Probably because Q wont come in the game trying to take over and can rebound and play some D.

Crawford at SF? He's too small and not strong enough to guard any other SFs in the league. Francis and Marbury would make a great fantasy backcourt but in real life, they would mesh about as well as a Klansman and Black Panther.

Larry Brown and Isiah Thomas will be there next year, unless they resign.

Isiah Thomas was a great player but he was a bad coach and even a worse GM. Dolan has to get Thomas out of there and try to fix the mess he has created that is the NY Knicks. Too bad Colangelo signed with Toronto.

 

[Mellonomama]

Isiah Thomas was a great player but he was a bad coach and even a worse GM. Dolan has to get Thomas out of there and try to fix the mess he has created that is the NY Knicks. Too bad Colangelo signed with Toronto.

Dolan called a meeting in mephis for everyone to go to. Somebody getting fired soon.

 

[RunawaySlave]

There is NOTHING wrong with this roster. Other than replacing
Steph with a PG that can help people find their shots, the Knicks
have alot of talent......I bet most coaches would love to have a
roster that includes:


Steve Francis
Jalen Rose
Channing Frye
Eddie Curry
Quetin Richardson
David Lee
Jamal Crawford
Stephon Marbury
Maurice Taylor
Nate Robinson

They won't win a title (not enough bigs), but this lineup
should at least be competitive....A .500 team


To me, only thing this lineup is missing is an above the rim
cat to finish off the fast breaks with gusto (no layups) and
knock a few shots into the stands for intimidation. An Amare
type (not Amare)

Larry Brown is undermining Isiah's work. Larry Brown only
came to NY for the money so he could retire rich. He's trying
to get fired. His salary is 10 million and it's guaranteed. NY
is famous for paying out millions long after their players are
gone from their roster. Larry wants a piece of that too

 

[xfactor]

Dolan called a meeting in mephis for everyone to go to. Somebody getting fired soon.

I heard about that. Hopefully Thomas will get canned because this team is going nowhere. They have too much dead weight (Marbury and Jerome James) that must be moved for this team to improve. Quentin Richardson does not fit in with this team because of their lack of quality PG play but Channing Frye and Eddy Curry can complement each other's games in due time.

There is NOTHING wrong with this roster.

I never said it was anything wrong with it but the team is in complete disarray. Too many guys getting minutes they dont deserve, too many bad contracts, too many similar styled players on the team. Thomas clearly doesnt think about this when he has made those past trades and its obvious in the fact he has no idea what he is doing trying to stockpile assets to trade for Jermaine O'Neal?

Larry Brown is undermining Isiah's work. Larry Brown only
came to NY for the money so he could retire rich. He's trying
to get fired. His salary is 10 million and it's guaranteed. NY
is famous for paying out millions long after their players are
gone from their roster. Larry wants a piece of that too

Isiah's work doesnt need to be undermined because its trash but I see your point as far as Brown trying to con NY out of the money. I've never been impressed with Brown's coaching style but I guess because he won an NCAA and NBA chip he's validated as being a surpreme guru. Although Thomas hasnt given him the proper players to work with, its still on Brown to adjust his style to fit his talent and make the best of the sitaution instead of bitching about it and ripping his players in the media.

 

[Mellonomama]

I've never been impressed with Brown's coaching style but I guess because he won an NCAA and NBA chip he's validated as being a surpreme guru. Although Thomas hasnt given him the proper players to work with, its still on Brown to adjust his style to fit his talent and make the best of the sitaution instead of bitching about it and ripping his players in the media.

Its funny you mention guru when talking about larry brown. I know you didnt flat out say he was one but mad cats say that.....why???? He might be the best defensive coordinator(like in football many coordinators are great but when they are the head coach they suck, ie...norv turner, dave wanstead) but i dont see him being a guru. I am a new yorker who grew up on the knicks but i think greg pop is the best coach in the league right now(phil is the best all time(i guees)). he gets good minutes out of nobody's and they when. when malik rose was there he made stuff happen. look what happened when nazr moha.... went there, he played way better than on the knicks....... that wasnt larry but u get my point....

 

[Sango]

Xfactor I understand what you're saying about Thomas
getting players that don't fit. But what players that were
available could he have gotten? I agree that filling the
warehouse with namebrand isn't a good idea if you can't
move units. But what other player(s) was available?

 

[RunawaySlave]

Doesn't matter what players you bring in anyway. With a situation
like this, with the coach mailing in his performance, the players will
not respond. You could bring in Wade, KG and Chris Paul, but if the
coach only gives them sporadic minutes, 25 minutes tonight, 14 the
next night, then they're in street clothes the next, before being
thrust into a starting role just because they're playing in their home
town, then you are gonna have a lot of unhappy players on your
hands....and unhappy players don't play defense or care whether
they win or lose....

If Brown had Chris Paul he would NOT be the ROY this year. He
would be sitting on the bench next to foul prone Eddie (that is
NOT to say Nate Robinson is Chris Paul btw)

The GM has nothing to do with the distribution of minutes. Too
many players getting too many minutes is the fault of the coach.
This isn't a church league. You do not have to play 12 men a
game. Salaries don't matter here, because they are ALL making
millions (except the rookies and Woods)

The inability to make up his mind is what is destroying any chance
this team has to win ballgames. Pick eight, ANY eight and roll with
that. The rest are just practice players. All players know and
recognize this. Wtf, is the point of playing a Jalen Rose or a Steve
Francis or even a Q for 12 minutes? What will that build? They
either play starter's minutes or they don't play at all. I for one
would be insulted playing 10-15 minutes. All his substitutions have
done is killed momentum for them all season long


Something wrong with that man

 

[Sango]

Runaway I agree bruh. I always thought Larry B
wanted to be too much in control of shit. As If
he's an attention whore coach looking for the praise
for his style of substitution or coaching ability.
Regardless of it all though, was there anyone else
that Thomas could have brought in (players) to help
mesh a better team. B/C everyone can somehow create
their own shot but cannot create shots for others.

Mofuka Jackie best start learning his plays too! lol

 

[xfactor]

but i think greg pop is the best coach in the league right now(phil is the best all time(i guees)).

Yeah, thats funny considering the fact that Popovich is a Larry Brown protege

Xfactor I understand what you're saying about Thomas
getting players that don't fit. But what players that were
available could he have gotten? I agree that filling the
warehouse with namebrand isn't a good idea if you can't
move units. But what other player(s) was available?

Like RS said, it wasnt about trying to go out and get all these different types of players to fit a system. That is what college recruiting is about where the coach looks for players to fit his system. It's kind of different in the NBA and the coach shouldnt be as delusional as Brown that he wants to have completely control of the team like he does. NY has some talent and could win games with the roster but he is playing the wrong people, giving the wrong guys way too many minutes. He needs to get a set rotation and stick with it. The constant tinkering is the reason why NY is the worst team in the league.

You could bring in Wade, KG and Chris Paul, but if the
coach only gives them sporadic minutes, 25 minutes tonight, 14 the
next night, then they're in street clothes the next, before being
thrust into a starting role just because they're playing in their home
town, then you are gonna have a lot of unhappy players on your
hands....and unhappy players don't play defense or care whether
they win or lose....

Say... I was wondering why Nate Robinson went from starting at SG to being in street clothes without even having a real injury.

 

[cranrab]

what if?

is it possible that isiah thomas has stockpiled so much of the 'wrong' type of personnel because he is going to do a multi-player trade for tobe this summer?

just asking.

 

[Im_Gifted]

Starters...

C-Channing Frye
PF-Malik rose
SF-Jalen rose
SG-Steve Francis
PG-Stephon Marbury

Bench...

Eddy Curry
Quentin Richardson
Jamal Crawford

Eight man rotation and I'll run my ass off...We suck and have nothing to lose...If a team is going to beat us, they're going to at least be tired after the game...

 

[SuperGenius]

Re: what if?

is it possible that isiah thomas has stockpiled so much of the 'wrong' type of personnel because he is going to do a multi-player trade for tobe this summer?

just asking.

Now I realize why Isiah got Steve Francis, Maubury will is a goner. I was watching ESPN and Stephen A. Smith said what I new all along, nobody likes Stephon Maubury. Quentin Richirdson wanted to bust Maubury's azz after a practice a few weeks ago, and would not leave the facility until he got at him. It wasn't until Richardson's sister who talked to him into leaving from over the phone, is when it was difused. Everywhere Maubury has been the team never got better. Coincidence, at this point I don't think so. When Maubury's gone and the knicks get a true point guard is when they'll get better. I can see a multi-player deal happening this summer and it will include Maubury.

 

[Sango]

Re: what if?

Damn Marbury is HIV for a team who then develops into full blown AIDS.

 

[RunawaySlave]

I don't want to single out any one person over the next
when you are the worst team in the league, everyone is
culpable....

Yeah, Steph is a selfish player, who plays absolutely no
defense. But when he concentrates on distributing the
ball instead of just getting his points, he can get the job
done. Last night was proof. Like Iverson, their me first
attitude with the ball will cause discension within the
ranks. Especially since both have proven that they can
distribute with the best of them. I think that makes it
even more frustrating to teammates and coaches, because
they can do it, but they won't unless backed into a
corner

Steph's problem is not so much with his offensive instincts,
as it is with his defensive instincts. Anyone who saw that
last play will see this. Wiil see how he allowed himself to
get switched off (by Atkins), so he had to be guarding Pao
Gasol in the first place. A good instinctive ballplayer would
not have allowed that to happen. And when he put his
hands up to defend, I swear it seems like it was the first
time I had seen him do that in months. Unfortunately, he
waited until he was guarding a man 7 feet tall to do it and
it had absolutely no affect. Now if he will just do that to
Gilbert Arenas, or Tony Parker (or Atkins....21 pts), the
Knicks might be in business

 

[Sango]

2 Game winning streak, any input on the difference in both of those games?
I noticed hustle and sudden urgency to give a fuck about winning.
I didn't pay much attention since I was flipping through channels..

 

[RunawaySlave]

2 Game winning streak, any input on the difference in both of those games?
I noticed hustle and sudden urgency to give a fuck about winning.
I didn't pay much attention since I was flipping through channels..

Well, one thing that stands out in the win against Indiana is
that Steph only played 19 minutes, mostly in the first half, while
it was still a relatively close game. He was really no factor in
the second half at all when the blowout started.....Crawford
started and played the entire fourth quarter....

Also, Jalen Rose has played significant minutes these past two
games. In fact he's started against Indiana. They've also started
Malik Rose two games in a row....

I've always maintained that it would make no difference who
Brown plays as long as they play consistently....One significant
omission from the regular rotation was Mo Taylor. He's been
out the past two games....coincidence??

Also, Richardson has started, but hasn't played more than 20
minutes the past two games....I believe less Q, less Steph, and
absolutely NO Mo has helped the rotation become more consistent

 

[Sango]

Just took a look at the box score and Qrich has seen over 30mins each of the past 2 games and so did marbury. He (Qrich) helped against Milwakee but not too many points against Indy. I'm shocked Malik Rose is getting those high amt of minutes but I guess something is working. Jalen is up there in minutes as well. I'm sure I'm reading this right RS. nba.com. Anyway I'm going to check that Denver game and see what else is brewing..

 

[RunawaySlave]

Just took a look at the box score and Qrich has seen over 30mins each of the past 2 games and so did marbury. He (Qrich) helped against Milwakee but not too many points against Indy. I'm shocked Malik Rose is getting those high amt of minutes but I guess something is working. Jalen is up there in minutes as well. I'm sure I'm reading this right RS. nba.com. Anyway I'm going to check that Denver game and see what else is brewing..

NBA.com has Steph down for 43:39!!! I am here to tell you that
is absolutely not true!!! He did NOT play in the 4th quarter, it was
Crawford and Francis the majority of the time. I watched the entire
game NBA.com is wrong

Yahoo.com has his minutes at 19. I know they make alot of mistakes
but like I said, I watched the whole game and Steph was NOT on
the court for 44 minutes!!!!

Can you picture that man on the court that long and only taking
8 shots???

 

[Sango]

NBA.com has Steph down for 43:39!!! I am here to tell you that
is absolutely not true!!! He did NOT play in the 4th quarter, it was
Crawford and Francis the majority of the time. I watched the entire
game NBA.com is wrong

Yahoo.com has his minutes at 19. I know they make alot of mistakes
but like I said, I watched the whole game and Steph was NOT on
the court for 44 minutes!!!!

Can you picture that man on the court that long and only taking
8 shots???

Nope I can't picture him being on the court for that long and not chucking up a few more bricks then that. You're prob right b/c Cnnsi has diff amount of minutes also.

 

[RunawaySlave]

Usually, when there is a discrepancy in numbers like that,
One site has one set of numbers, and the other has a
different amount, I'll use ESPN.com as a tiebreaker. But you
can't really depend on that because ESPN basically uses
NBA.com as well....Maybe I'll try the Sporting News site


One other statline of note, was that Channing Frye has not
played as much during these last few games either. David
Lee has played less than 5 minutes and Nate is in his Armani
suit. SO it's the vets who are trying to make something positive
happen.

Jalen getting the DNP last week woke him up pretty good. And
I think it shook Francis up a bit too. Because both have been
playing pretty unselfishly. And BOTH have played the point in
the past two games