Clinton Campaign Claims They're Now Ahead in Popular Vote (Including FL. and Mi.)

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Clinton’s New Favorite Metric

By Christopher Beam

The Clinton campaign has always had its own way of doing things. When Clinton realized she couldn’t win the pledged-delegate count, it became about the popular vote. When that gap widened, it became about “big states.” Now it’s back to being about the popular vote—only the Clinton campaign isn’t counting like the rest of us. As predicted, they’re including Florida and Michigan.

There are so many problems with this, it’s hard to know where to begin.

First, the obvious: Florida and Michigan don’t count. If you’re talking about the overall tally, Obama still leads by about 500,000 votes. If you include Florida and Michigan, though, Clinton is ahead by 120,000. Nevermind that neither candidate campaigned in Florida (Clinton will tell you that Obama violated this agreement by airing an ad on CNN ad that appeared across the country, including Florida) and that Obama wasn’t even on the ballot in Michigan. That’s why none of the networks—not NBC, not ABC, not CNN—are including those states in their popular-vote tallies without caveats.

Next, there’s the Clinton camp’s duplicity when it comes to reporting these numbers. ABC’s Jake Tapper reports this morning that Clinton’s Fact Hub twisted an ABC report on the popular vote. ABC News’ Rick Klein had written, "By one (rightly disputed) metric -- the popular vote, including Florida and Michigan -- Clinton has pulled ahead of Obama. But without the rogue states, Obama is still up by 500,000 -- and if you can find another objective measurement by which she’s in the lead, let us know.” Based on that report, the Fact Hub claimed that “ABC News reported this morning that ‘Clinton has pulled ahead of Obama’ in the popular vote.” That Tapper bothered to report the misrepresentation makes it pretty clear that the Clinton camp is going to get resistance on this one. If they want to twist the numbers, they’ll have to do it without the media’s help.

Lastly, there’s the fundamental problem with the popular vote: It’s wrong. As we’ve pointed out before, the popular-vote tally includes only the roughest estimates of caucus turnout, since many caucus states only report delegates, not individuals. Moreover, because caucus turnout is low relative to primaries, the popular vote ends up underestimating the candidates’ popularity in those states. So whoever does better in caucuses—in this case, Obama—ends up getting underrepresented. (You could argue that this is divine retribution for Obama’s skewed performance in caucuses, but hey, that’s the system the states chose—and the candidates agreed to.) So the “popular vote”—an authoritative-sounding phrase—is really just a shoddy estimate that underrepresents Obama’s caucus performance and therefore favors Clinton.

That’s not to say Clinton’s magical popular-vote math won’t sway a few superdelegates. No doubt it will. New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine said last month that he would reconsider his support for Clinton if Obama won the popular vote. If he’s looking for an excuse to stick with Clinton, this could be it. But most supers are likely to be extremely squeamish about disregarding the pledged-delegate count. No modern presidential candidate has won the Democratic nomination without winning pledged delegates, and no superdelegate wants to facilitate a historical first like that when it means potentially undermining the first black president. On the other hand, if that’s true, you wonder why they’re waiting so long to decide.​
 
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This isnt gonna help the perception of her that she cannot be trusted and is dishonest. Her campaign is run SO poorly.
 
This isnt gonna help the perception of her that she cannot be trusted and is dishonest. Her campaign is run SO poorly.

Especially after she said that the votes in Florida and Michigan shouldn't be counted when she thought she was gonna win and now all of a sudden she wants to help the "disenfranchised" voters now that she's lost. :smh:
 
This isnt gonna help the perception of her that she cannot be trusted and is dishonest. Her campaign is run SO poorly.
But she still wins PA by that margin. There is a disconnect between all the thins "we" the collective group and Obama know about her and what HE and his campaign say to the press. There is no way she should have won PA - by that margin - including being he hometown girl and the elderly.
 
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When this bitch gets the heave ho, she is going to go nucking futs

I foresee her and Bill getting a divorce, and her shaking up with that Arabic hot lesbian she got on her staff
 
She is riding the Wave of victory

Clinton camp: ‘On track’ to raise $10 million in 24 hours
By Sam Youngman
Posted: 04/23/08 03:42 PM [ET]
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's (D-N.Y.) campaign said Wednesday afternoon it was “on track” to raise $10 million in online donations in the 24 hours since the Pennsylvania primary was called in her favor.


Terry McAuliffe, Clinton’s campaign chairman, called the result “game-changing,” adding that the amount was a “historic outpouring of grassroots support.”

“Just like Hillary, our supporters have met every challenge and come through each time,” McAuliffe said in a statement. “Thanks to them, we will have the resources needed to compete and win as we move ahead to the next contests.”

The campaign said it had received donations from 60,000 donors, 50,000 of whom were new donors.
 
She is riding the Wave of victory

Clinton camp: ‘On track’ to raise $10 million in 24 hours
By Sam Youngman
Posted: 04/23/08 03:42 PM [ET]
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's (D-N.Y.) campaign said Wednesday afternoon it was “on track” to raise $10 million in online donations in the 24 hours since the Pennsylvania primary was called in her favor.


Terry McAuliffe, Clinton’s campaign chairman, called the result “game-changing,” adding that the amount was a “historic outpouring of grassroots support.”

“Just like Hillary, our supporters have met every challenge and come through each time,” McAuliffe said in a statement. “Thanks to them, we will have the resources needed to compete and win as we move ahead to the next contests.”

The campaign said it had received donations from 60,000 donors, 50,000 of whom were new donors.
She is $10 mill in debt (including the 5 she owes herself). What wave are you referring to? She just broke even so she is at 1 dollar and counting.
 
The media is basically spinning this in her favor despite the reality of the situation they have officially taken up the Barack is unelectab;le argument without actually saying Barack is black and can't get hick votes argument directly.

They are spinning it completely in her favor. WHY because they think blacks are gonna do what they've always done and thats vote for the democrat if it gets stolen from Barack BUT he won't get her voters.

Thats the gist nevermind the reality of the situation. Which is she won't get the black vote thus won't beat Mccain.

The spin is disgusting.
 
There is no way she should have won PA - including being he hometown girl and the elderly.

wrong. PA is JUST like OH in terms of population, education level of the populace, annual earnings per resident, etc.

obama knew going in he was probably gonna loose. the question was loose by how much? the lower her winning percentage, the fewer dels she would get.....so when he cut her lead in half, he undercut her total sum gain.

dude knows what he's doing.
 
wrong. PA is JUST like OH in terms of population, education level of the populace, annual earnings per resident, etc.

obama knew going in he was probably gonna loose. the question was loose by how much? the lower her winning percentage, the fewer dels she would get.....so when he cut her lead in half, he undercut her total sum gain.

dude knows what he's doing.

Obama won Mississippi and that place is 10 times as assbackwards as penn and ohio.
 
Obama won Mississippi and that place is 10 times as assbackwards as penn and ohio.

I would say it's EQUALLY as ass backwards, but there ain't no such thing as 10x more ass backwards than an Ohio cracka.
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Plus, MI has a MUCH larger percentage of black folks.
 
I would say it's EQUALLY as ass backwards, but there ain't no such thing as 10x more ass backwards than an Ohio cracka.
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Plus, MI has a MUCH larger percentage of black folks.

Man Ohio crackas are the worst type of cracka in this entire country :smh:
 
The Pennsylvania pledged count (updated 4/23, 6:15 pm): Clinton 82-73 (three delegates still to be allocated.)

There are 408 delegates up for grabs in the remaining nine contests.

And a new addition, some "fun" with POPULAR VOTE numbers...
Without MI/FL:
Obama: 14,447,566
Clinton: 13,965,192

With FL, but NOT MI:
Obama: 15,016,607
Clinton: 14,822,400

With MI/FL, including "uncommitted" for Obama:
Obama: 15,254,369
Clinton: 15,150,551

With MI/FL, giving Obama 0 in MI and Clinton 328,000-plus (the only metric which gives her a lead):
Clinton: 15,150,551
Obama: 15,016,607


FROM MSNBC


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man this shit bout to run me fuckin krazy! thru all this obama has been the only one to stay within the rules and keep these honest, more reason to vote for him, but anyways. her penn. victory didnt really mean shit but if u watch the news programs she has gained momentum and in the drivers seat.. funny how the right-wing assholes are now fightin for her to win.
 
Here's one more thing about the PA win. It was 9 percent not 10 percent.

CLINTON, HILLARY (DEM).....1,238,232 54.6%
OBAMA, BARACK (DEM).......1,030,703 45.4%
Difference: ........................................ 9.2%


So its some Serious rounding going on in the MSM.
 
Here's one more thing about the PA win. It was 9 percent not 10 percent.

CLINTON, HILLARY (DEM).....1,238,232 54.6%
OBAMA, BARACK (DEM).......1,030,703 45.4%
Difference: ........................................ 9.2%


So its some Serious rounding going on in the MSM.

thats the reason i'm taking a 1 week holiday from watching election coverage.
The televised media is full of it. I'm honestly gettin sick of the whole damn thing.
 
With elected delegates and superdelegates Obama needs only 293 delegates to reach the 2024.

their are 409 delegates left in the remaining contest. If they split on these elected delegates, Obama will need less than 100 superdelegates to put him over the top.

This race will be over shortly after June 3rd. when the uncommitted superdelegates come forward and announce their support of Obama.

mark my words.

Obama will be the democratic nominee by Independence Day 08.

popular vote won't matter, big states won't matter, the clinton name won't matter. Her spirits will be dashed. Truth will reign.
and all that will be left to do is . . .

[flash]http://www.youtube.com/v/MaYZzaVE0Vk&rel=1[/flash]
 
With elected delegates and superdelegates Obama needs only 293 delegates to reach the 2024.

their are 409 delegates left in the remaining contest. If they split on these elected delegates, Obama will need less than 100 superdelegates to put him over the top.

This race will be over shortly after June 3rd. when the uncommitted superdelegates come forward and announce their support of Obama.

mark my words.

Obama will be the democratic nominee by Independence Day 08.

popular vote won't matter, big states won't matter, the clinton name won't matter. Her spirits will be dashed. Truth will reign.
and all that will be left to do is . . .

[flash]http://www.youtube.com/v/MaYZzaVE0Vk&rel=1[/flash]
the dem's, as usual, are bullS***'n. If the race is, delgate wise, over then why are the superdelegates still holding back? If they REALLY want to go after McCain THEY can end this today.
 
Im telling you, the Dems LIKE the excitement and voter turnout this generates in every state. Im convinced everyone's in on it and OK with it.
 
Here's one more thing about the PA win. It was 9 percent not 10 percent.

CLINTON, HILLARY (DEM).....1,238,232 54.6%
OBAMA, BARACK (DEM).......1,030,703 45.4%
Difference: ........................................ 9.2%


So its some Serious rounding going on in the MSM.

Yes, they want this to keep going, it's great for ratings.
 
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