Church, Tithes, Offerings - Is It Optional or Nah

[godofwine]

First of all, you ain't about to gang up on me and try to bully me into giving you my money that's one of the reasons I don't fuck with church now, none of them.

I'll tell a mother fucker like Luther from Set It Off, my money.



The Word Church in my city, you got to bring your W-2s so they can prove you're giving your 10%. Fuck all that

I don't give a fuck about where it says what in the Bible. That shit is optional. I look at tithing like an optional tip... I can if I feel like it, and if I don't I won't.

The black church been ripping the black people off for so many years. I was just talking to a woman today telling her that black church is like The Rainmaker.

You pay money to The Rainmaker because he promises to make it rain and lessen your struggles. If it rains he'll take the credit. If it doesn't rain he'll say it was God's will. But when you need help, the Rainmaker won't help you

I've seen people paying tithes to a church when they can't afford food or pay their light bill or put gas in their car. "God will provide," The Rainmaker says.

God is everywhere and your blessings will or won't come regardless of how much you go to church and how much you put in the collection plate. If you put all your money in the collection plate you aren't going to get more blessings than someone who puts in $10

I'm a singer, so people hear me sing and they beg me to come to their Church. This one person wouldn't take no for an answer.

I walked in the door of the church and threw my wallet about 3 feet in the air and caught it.

My coworker asked, "Why did you do that?"

Me: I through my wallet in the air and told God he can take all the money he needed just leave me the rest when it came back down to earth. When I opened my wallet all my money was still there. I guess God didn't need it

They never asked me back.

How do y'all feel on the matter? Do you tithe? How do you feel about it?

 

[DWBass]

I don't do church. Liars. Thieves. Cheaters. Evil doers. How the hell a church demand 10% of your salary?? And who benefits? Being a musician, I get asked to play for churches all the time. Hell no!! They get mad when I tell them no, I don't do church! They can't fucking believe it. Then they want you to volunteer no pay! I don't need church. My stepfather was a Methodist minister. I stopped going to church the minute I turned 18.

As to your question.....per the 'bible'...tithes were food offerings. NOT money! See how it got twisted? Jesus had hair of wool. See how it got twisted? Heard of any churches challenging the discrepancies? Church folks got white Jesus pictures in their homes. Nope. Not drinking that sauce.

 

[cnc]

Tithes are the reason pimps and dope dealers can stop pimpin and slanging dope and get square jobs as preachers, suckers WILLINGLY giving your their money and bitches throwing pussy at you and all you’ve got to do is sprinkle a lil Jesus on ‘em? Sheeeiiiitttt, don’t hate the player, hate the game!

 

[Duece]

Jokes aside and with respect to everybody's belief system, there is an argument that tithing is an Old Testament concept that was done away with Jesus' death and resurrection. I'm far from a bible scholar.

Going to church as a young boy, it never sat right with me when I had a pastor who drove a nice car and had children in private school, standing on the pulpit of a church and telling a congregation of mostly poor people that his children needed better clothes.

 

[cnc]

Jokes aside and with respect to everybody's belief system, there is an argument that tithing is an Old Testament concept that was done away with Jesus' death and resurrection. I'm far from a bible scholar.

Going to church as a young boy, it never sat right with me when I had a pastor who drove a nice car and had children in private school, standing on the pulpit of a church and telling a congregation of mostly poor people that his children needed better clothes.

Me either, but as I’ve gotten older I can only be but so mad at the conman for running his con, shit if you’ve got gullible suckers willing to come give their time AND money every week to listen to the same rehashed bullshit, at best, blame is to be shared. In the words of the great Clay Davis, “I’ll take any motherfuckers money if he giving
it away!”

 

[godofwine]

Me either, but as I’ve gotten older I can only be but so mad at the conman for running his con, shit if you’ve got gullible suckers willing to come give their time AND money every week to listen to the same rehashed bullshit, at best, blame is to be shared. In the words of the great Clay Davis, “I’ll take any motherfuckers money if he giving
it away!”

Exactly. I was talking to this woman today and her solution to the situation is it just go to another church where somebody's doing the same exact goddamn thing.

Why are black people so connected to the fucking Church. The fucking Rain Man. You don't need the church to be connected to God or to get blessings or for good shit to happen to you, and you damn sure don't have to pay tithes to get those things either

 

[SPECTRE1]

I was talking about making a sacrifice or tithe to the digital Gods such as Twitter or Google. Much the same way that biblical God provides shelter, food, warmth, and all the necessary elements to survive. If their platforms provides you untold wealth from endorsements, lucrative paid tours, or book sales, you should set aside some of that money. Many people on these platforms hawk products. You can try to buy ads or use their products such as Google phone.

I don't understand people that bust out an IPhone after Google has provided them untold fortune. This is why you are being shadow banned, you have angered the Gods due to your lack of appreciation.

People tithe women and money to me all the time, they recognize my divine power. At first, they dismiss me, than they slowly begin to recognize my divinity and ability to influence their lives I like my women legs tied up like rotisserie chicken and cold hard cash.

 

[zod16]

Jokes aside and with respect to everybody's belief system, there is an argument that tithing is an Old Testament concept that was done away with Jesus' death and resurrection. I'm far from a bible scholar.

Going to church as a young boy, it never sat right with me when I had a pastor who drove a nice car and had children in private school, standing on the pulpit of a church and telling a congregation of mostly poor people that his children needed better clothes.

Im off that Old Pappy again but that is one of the main things that did it for me as well. It fully hit me when I was taking hot plates on holidays to old people as a high schooler because they were broke and hungry and gave their last $ to the pastor's aid or appreciation. Pastor having dinner parties funded by the destitute while the "youth" do the work.


Old testament has 613 mitzvah that jews follow including tithing. However, I was "banned" in HS from my childhood church for asking how/why Christians should follow the laws of Judaism if we believe in Jesus. Obviously, I have been an atheist since then. Religion is an amazing thing to study but ridiculous to follow. Tithing has origins going back as far as 800 BCE but it will take only a few minutes after this post for somebody to explain how it has "biblical" origins.

Also. don't get me started on the prosperity doctrine et al. aka a kind, just, loving, omniscient/omnipotent deity will "bless" with the very same thing he specifically cites as the biggest obstacle to salvation.

Seriously, We have been sold a lie but a good % of Us not only refuse to acknowledge we have been had but double down on it. Our ancestors practiced islam, vudun, animism etc. Christianity was not a major influence until we were in shackles.

A good starting point for those inclined:

On display now at the Museum of the Bible in Washington, D.C., is a special exhibit centered on a rare Bible from the 1800s that was used by British missionaries to convert and educate slaves.

What's notable about this Bible is not just its rarity, but its content, or rather the lack of content. It excludes any portion of text that might inspire rebellion or liberation.

Anthony Schmidt, associate curator of Bible and Religion in America at the museum, says the first instance of this abridged version titled, Parts of the Holy Bible, selected for the use of the Negro Slaves, in the British West-India Islands, was published in 1807.

 

[Ceenote]

Well if u wanna give them the money do it.. if not who really cares...no big deal one way or another.. they just want u to believe your gonna get punished if u dont give them what they want...worst than a used car salesman!

 

[godofwine]

Well if u wanna give them the money do it.. if not who really cares...no big deal one way or another.. they just want u to believe your gonna get punished if u dont give them what they want...worst than a used car salesman!

Right. If you don't give you're going to HELL

 

[34real]

I've been to church a hand full of times as a child, I was a boy scout that was linked to a black church and I saw and heard all types of bullshit during that stint.
It's not the church or the religion, it's the people there that make it Satan's social club cause all of the sinners come to cleanse their souls while doing and saying fucked up things to people in and out of the church.I AIN'T WITH NONE OF THAT BULLSHIT!!!

 

[Deezz]

Stupid brain washing cultish bullshit. Fuck them!!!!

Dude with that paying with apples and oranges line

 

[Camille]

It's optional. We no longer support the Levites. You give as you are led to give, but there are blessings for giving.

 

[scullydog]

First of all, you ain't about to gang up on me and try to bully me into giving you my money that's one of the reasons I don't fuck with church now, none of them.

I'll tell a mother fucker like Luther from Set It Off, my money.



The Word Church in my city, you got to bring your W-2s so they can prove you're giving your 10%. Fuck all that

I don't give a fuck about where it says what in the Bible. That shit is optional. I look at tithing like an optional tip... I can if I feel like it, and if I don't I won't.

The black church been ripping the black people off for so many years. I was just talking to a woman today telling her that black church is like The Rainmaker.

You pay money to The Rainmaker because he promises to make it rain and lessen your struggles. If it rains he'll take the credit. If it doesn't rain he'll say it was God's will. But when you need help, the Rainmaker won't help you

I've seen people paying tithes to a church when they can't afford food or pay their light bill or put gas in their car. "God will provide," The Rainmaker says.

God is everywhere and your blessings will or won't come regardless of how much you go to church and how much you put in the collection plate. If you put all your money in the collection plate you aren't going to get more blessings than someone who puts in $10

I'm a singer, so people hear me sing and they beg me to come to their Church. This one person wouldn't take no for an answer.

I walked in the door of the church and threw my wallet about 3 feet in the air and caught it.

My coworker asked, "Why did you do that?"

Me: I through my wallet in the air and told God he can take all the money he needed just leave me the rest when it came back down to earth. When I opened my wallet all my money was still there. I guess God didn't need it

They never asked me back.

How do y'all feel on the matter? Do you tithe? How do you feel about it?

Bruh, you wild. LOL Good story, chief.

 

[scullydog]

Lets get real. Them old head white boys told us the truth about this shit. Which one of them (Marx) said that religion is opium for the masses. Lets talk about money, they tell us the poor will always be amongst us. Yeah, because them dirty motherfuckers are taking all the wealth from the planet when they know that wealth, natural resources belong to everyone on the planet. So, they know they are stealing your wealth. Then they teach you to hate wealth. They tell you not to love money. Shit, how you going to keep and and gain it if you don't love it. Its all a game. However, when you give to others, that love will come back to you. It is the law of reciprocity. The problem with the world, not just black people (Africans) we are given bullshit mixed with truth. Its kinda hard to decipher the two. We need to be taught the real. To be honest, it takes at least twenty years to get to the good shit. The problem is, when you get to the good shit, you are damn afraid to go for it because you have been indoctrinated with this bullshit. It is scary. The thing is, the ones in power get the real shit from the start and this is how they keep us, the unenlightened in the dark.

 

[respiration]

It's optional. We no longer support the Levites. You give as you are led to give, but there are blessings for giving.

Absolutely.

I attended many churches in my life and almost all of them DIDN'T pressure or strong-arm people for tithes or offerings.

Just one I attended as a kid took separate collections for things like pastor's anniversary, pastor's birthday, etc and had people come forward and give their money every Sunday, then would publish in next week's bulletin your name and how much you gave. I wasn't down with any of that.

Churches I attended before and after that, were not on that nonsense.

 

[zod16]

It's optional. We no longer support the Levites. You give as you are led to give, but there are blessings for giving.

This is probably the earliest reference to the concept of tithing I have found in my studies:

Lycurgus, Against Leocrates, section 81

www.perseus.tufts.edu

Mesopotamians were also big on tithing as was most of the ancient world:

BCHP 16 (Document on Land and Tithes) - Livius

www.livius.org

A lot of jewish/christian concepts actually have ancient pagan roots like this. One of the main reasons I love studying this stuff.

 

[cnc]

It's optional. We no longer support the Levites. You give as you are led to give, but there are blessings for giving.

This I belief. I gave to certain charities, black scholarships to my colleges, random acts of kindness and generosity, folks kids selling stuff, a lot of stuff, but not to JesusLand. If my good works ain’t enough to get me to the glory promised in the afterlife, well, I tried.

 

[EPDC]

 

[Pack Rat]

I will never give a penny of my money to the church.
In my neighborhood, there is a location that contributes to the needy and the destitute directly. These aren't goodwill or the salvation army locations, though.
I give them regular donations of food and clothing.
Although it's not a blessing, I do feel as though I assisted some families who were struggling.