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Putting Kobe in perspective

By Jemele Hill
Page 2

Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan.

Not more successful.

Hasn't had a bigger economic impact.

Hasn't won more MVPs.

Kobe Bryant
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Kobe Bryant did something Michael Jordan never
did -- score 50-plus in four consecutive games.

Hasn't won more titles.

But he's a better player.

Kobe can do everything Michael did, and even a few things Michael couldn't do.

Kobe is just as good a defender. His killer instinct is just as pronounced. He can shoot, finish and explode. And just like Jordan, the more he's pissed off, the more unstoppable he is.

At the very least, Kobe's scoring spree over the last week should put to rest any lingering doubts that he's the best player in the NBA. Yes, better than Steve Nash, who is the best point guard, but not the lethal force that Kobe is. Yes, better than Dwyane Wade, who is certainly closer to the Kobe-Jordan level than LeBron James, but D-Wade's game is not as polished as Kobe's.

Kobe's streak of four straight 50-points-plus games is something none of those players can do, and it's something that hasn't been done since Wilt Chamberlain, who had an NBA-record seven straight 50-point games. Truthfully, Kobe should have tacked another 50 on Golden State on Sunday night.

Of course, the idea that Kobe is better than Jordan -- or even the best player in this league -- is as repugnant to some folks as a rectal exam. Even though Kobe has proven himself under pressure countless times, he gets the A-Rod treatment.

Kobe can't please anyone. And it doesn't help that most people suffer from revisionist history when it comes to Jordan, forgetting that he was just as poor a teammate and a ball hog and that he ran off coach Doug Collins like Kobe ran off Phil Jackson the first time.

In fact, you could argue that Jordan was even worse. Far as we know, Kobe hasn't jacked up any of his teammates the way Jordan punched out Steve Kerr and Will Perdue at practice.

Kobe will never be forgiven for Shaq's departure, but you're delusional if you think Jordan wouldn't have had any ego issues playing alongside a player with Shaq's star power.

The best-player argument shouldn't be determined by personal dislike. But if you want to take it there, fine. Jordan was hardly the ideal husband, but only the tabloids were brave enough to venture into his personal life. And what about those gambling issues? If Jordan's life had been covered like Kobe's, we would have an entirely different opinion of His Airness.

Besides a different level of media scrutiny, there was definitely a difference in the level of competition during Jordan's heyday compared to now.

Kobe Bryant
AP Photo/Mark J. Terrill
We ask you to step back and take an objective look. Isn't Kobe the best player in the NBA?

Yesterday's NBA player certainly was more fundamentally sound, but there's no question that today's player is bigger, stronger and faster. When Jordan played, he was a singular force that could not be equaled. Jordan was guarded by the likes of John Starks and Joe Dumars, who were fine players but weren't nearly as skilled or physically imposing as LeBron, D-Wade, Tracy McGrady or even Vince Carter.

The NBA is tougher now.

Kobe, like Michael, is surrounded with mediocre to below-average talent, and Phoenix, Dallas and San Antonio are all better than the Utah, Portland and the Charles Barkley-led Phoenix team that Michael met in the NBA Finals.

Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson and Patrick Ewing will be among the best centers ever, but none of them affected the league the way Shaq and Tim Duncan have. There are two two-time MVPs in Kobe's own conference (Duncan, Nash), which is a problem Jordan never faced during his championship runs. Seven-footers weren't launching 3s back then. Magic Johnson and the Lakers were on a downward spiral, and the Pistons were on their last legs. It was Michael and everyone else. That's not the case for Kobe.

The shame of it is that Kobe might finish his career without a MVP, even though his ability can be compared only to that of Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain. All this time we've been looking for a player who is better than Jordan, but most of us can't get beyond whether we like or dislike Kobe as a person to recognize his contributions to the game.

Ultimately the MVP award will go to either Nash or Dirk Nowitzki, who are deserving this season, but neither are as good as Kobe. Dallas and Phoenix are strong enough to make the playoffs without their stars. The Lakers, however, are a lottery team without Kobe.

Now that's a valuable player.

Jemele Hill, a Page 2 columnist and writer for ESPN The Magazine, can be reached at jemeleespn@gmail.com.
 
you're late. tim rock already posted it.

i already addressed this trash in that thread too. stupid fool was 8 years old when michael jordan entered the NBA. tobe supporters are usually just like her; have NO idea what they're speaking on.
 
yeah..I saw your response in that thread..I am really finding it hard to believe that people actually believe this shit. Kobe is not even nearly the best LAKER of all time..and they are essentially calling him the best basketball player ever (assuming she is positioning Jordan over Russel, Wilt, etc)...by claiming Kobe to be better than Jordan.. I feel like I am in the twilight zone or some shit... how is everybody so damn foolish to even come to that conclusion...
 
eewwll said:
yeah..I saw your response in that thread..I am really finding it hard to believe that people actually believe this shit. Kobe is not even nearly the best LAKER of all time..and they are essentially calling him the best basketball player ever (assuming she is positioning Jordan over Russel, Wilt, etc)...by claiming Kobe to be better than Jordan.. I feel like I am in the twilight zone or some shit... how is everybody so damn foolish to even come to that conclusion...

We are in the twilight zone

72-10 for a season vs 4 50+ games

How quickly people forget....
 
Inside Hoops Rumors 3-27-07

"I heard this quote from Robert Horry on ``Pardon the Interruption'' and wanted to see in just what context it was said. This is what Horry told San Antonio Express-News columnist Mike Monroe for a Sunday story on Kobe Bryant's chances of winning the NBA MVP award: "Nobody's going to vote for Kobe because of the perception about his attitude, that he's arrogant," said Horry, who also stressed that he considered Bryant a good teammate. "It's going to be a while before he ever wins MVP. I hate to say that, because it's MVP on the court, not MVP off the court." InsideSoCal

"Just for fun, I asked Bryant what number he thought he might put up when he scored nine points in the first two minutes of Sunday's game. His answer: ``I wasn’t really thinking about it. I actually said, `They’re going to have to make some serious adjustments.’ Just in the middle of the first quarter, after the second timeout, I said, `They’re going to have to do something drastic.’ Because the crowd was getting into it, we as a team had jumped on them, every shot I hit seemed to be creating a lot of momentum for us.’’ InsideSoCal

"Even as Kobe Bryant's run of 50-point games came to an end Sunday, the Lakers were left with another streak to consider. That would be the 10 consecutive games in which they have allowed 100 points or more. For a team that stressed defense from the first day of training camp, the Lakers are riding a season-high five-game winning streak solely by being able to outgun teams. So far in March, they are giving up an average of 110.1 points a game. "The one positive thing is we have been coming up with the stops when we need them down the stretch," Lakers forward Luke Walton said. "But giving up 110 points a game isn't going to make anything easy for us, and it's definitely not going to win us a playoff series." Los Angeles Daily News

"Part of the explanation for Bryant's scoring burst comes with a change in how he shoots the ball. Bryant said he switched from a two-finger release to a one-finger release. He could be seen on the bench practicing his form during timeouts Sunday." Los Angeles Daily News
 
elgin baylor interview from the l.a. times

Baylor pioneered a high-flying style

Kobe Bryant is going for his third straight game of 50 points or more, a feat Elgin Baylor accomplished 45 years ago.

By Steve Springer
Times Staff Writer

March 22, 2007

He was Kobe before Kobe, Michael before Michael, Dr. J. before Dr. J.

It has been just over two decades since Elgin Baylor joined the Clippers' front office and over 35 years since he retired from the Lakers, leaving him more than a generation removed from his glory days, an often forgotten superstar.

"I get so mad," said former Lakers teammate Tommy Hawkins, "when they come up with these lists of the five greatest players of all time because they always leave Elgin off. Pound for pound, I think he was the best basketball player in the history of the game."

While some may question that statement, none should question Baylor's talent.

Much is being made of the fact that Kobe Bryant is shooting for his third straight game of 50 or more points tonight when the Lakers play the Grizzlies in Memphis.

That would only equal a feat accomplished by Baylor in 1962.

He was an NBA pioneer, taking the league to new heights as the first of the gravity-defying stars, going where no player had consistently gone before. In an era dominated by two goliaths — Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain — the 6-foot-5 Baylor compensated for his lack of height with the ability to elevate his body to go over or around defenders and the strength to go through them.

"He had the hang time," Hawkins said, "and the control of the ball that enabled him to get up in the air, decide on a shot and then change his mind three times. He had the greatest variety of shots I've ever seen."

And a statistical resume that has stood the test of time.

Baylor scored 71 points in a regular-season game in 1960, then an NBA record. He still holds the record for an NBA Finals game with 61 points. He had two other games when he scored at least 60 points in the regular season and scored in the 50s on 14 occasions. Baylor averaged 38.3 points in the 1961-62 season. He was also a dominant rebounder, using his strength and determination to often beat players who towered over him to the ball. Baylor averaged double figures in rebounds in each of his first seven seasons, including a 19.8 average in 1960-61. He is the Lakers' career rebounds leader with 11,463.

"He was the best I've ever seen at getting his own rebound after taking a shot," said Hot Rod Hundley, another former teammate. "He would never take a fadeaway jumper."

In three consecutive games in December of 1962, Baylor swished the net a lot, scoring 50, 51 and 52 points.

What was that like? Don't ask him. "There's more chance I could tell you what I had for breakfast last week than what happened in those games," said Baylor, now 72. "Who remembers
?"

If Baylor played today, the kids might be wearing Air Elgins, he'd be a nightly headliner on "SportsCenter" and some owner would pay him tens of millions of dollars.

Baylor just shrugs at the thought. "You can't compare eras," he said. "It's like trying to compare fighters from different eras."

Baylor has always shrugged off his accomplishments. He says he hasn't retained any newspaper clippings or memorabilia commemorating his three straight games of 50 or more.

He said he had forgotten he had even done it until Bryant's hot streak opened that dusty page in the Lakers' record book. "You just played hard and tried to win. No one really mentioned much about [the three-game scoring explosion]. It really made no difference," Baylor said.

"What's the big deal? Now look at Wilt. Look at the stuff he accomplished. He once averaged over 50 points a game. Now that's a big deal."

The big gap in Baylor's resume is the lack of a championship. The closest he came was the 1971-72 season. Nine games into that year, Baylor retired. The Lakers immediately started a record 33-game winning streak and would go on to win their first title in Los Angeles.

Baylor played in the NBA Finals seven times, losing them all. Six of those losses came against the Boston Celtics.

When Baylor scored his 10,000th point during a game in the 1962-63 season, play was stopped so that Detroit Pistons captain Bailey Howell could present him with the ball.

As the two men looked into a blinding wall of flashbulbs, Howell noticed Baylor had a frown on his face.

"Smile, Elg," he said.

"What for?" replied Baylor. "We're losing, aren't we?"

Hawkins, who runs a speakers' bureau, regrets that Baylor's milestones are no longer celebrated. "He was an incredible, creative superstar. It's a shame he's not given the respect and dignity he deserves."

Hundley, a broadcaster for the Utah Jazz, agrees.

"He's forgotten," Hundley said. "A lot of people I run into only know him from the Clippers, or have never even heard of Elgin Baylor."
 
Hey Kobe scored 40+ ppg for the month of March and the Lakers went 5-9 for that same month(their worst month of the season) is there a message in that?
 
Diamels said:
Hey Kobe scored 40+ ppg for the month of March and the Lakers went 5-9 for that same month(their worst month of the season) is there a message in that?

Yeah that he started scoring more because they had lost 7 in a row before the outburst.
 
htownhustla said:
Yeah that he started scoring more because they had lost 7 in a row before the outburst.
Hmmm. He was on the court for all seven of those games. What made him decide to score more after 7 games why not sooner like after 4 or even three games?
 
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