Can Democrats win in "red states" without being more like Republicans?

[Costanza]

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It is hard to believe now that Arkansas had a Democratic United States Senator from 1999 to 2011.

In 2004, Senator Blanche Lincoln was re-elected, defeating Republican state Senator Jim Holt 56%-44%, even as President Bush carried the state with 54% of the vote.

In 2010, in the Obama vs Tea Party era, she was defeated in a landslide, losing with 37% of the vote to her opponent's 58%.

She had some severe flaws. For instance:

• Senator Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.) Reiterates Opposition to Employee Free Choice Act

In 2009 Lincoln spoke out in opposition to the pro-labor union bill known as the Employee Free Choice Act; this garnering her the praise of conservative interest groups like Americans for Tax Reform, but also bitter criticisms from labor unions, who publicly threatened to discourage Arkansas' remaining Democratic-leaning voters from voting for her.​

• Public option would lead him to filibuster, key senator says

In September 2009, Lincoln pledged to filibuster any legislation containing a Public health insurance option, such as the Affordable Health Care for America Act. This move came as a surprise to liberal Democrats, who largely interpreted the move as a betrayal of traditional Democratic values. Lincoln ultimately voted in favor of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, the Senate bill that eventually became the Barack Obama administration's health care reform law. ​

She made the ACA worse but having someone like her in the coalition was essential to getting anything passed.

The geography of the Democratic coalition used to be much wider.

2010 Senate Victory
West Virginia: Joe Manchin (D) 53.47%, John Raese (R) 43.40%

2008 Presidential & Senate Victories
Florida: Obama (D) 51.0%, McCain (R) 48.2%
Indiana: Obama (D) 49.9%, McCain (R) 48.9%
North Carolina: Obama (D) 49.7%, McCain (R) 49.4%
Ohio: Obama (D) 51.5%, McCain (R) 46.9%
Louisiana: Mary Landrieu (D) 52.1%, John Kennedy (R) 46.0%

2006 Senate Flips
Missouri: Claire McCaskill (D) 49.58%, Jim Talent (R) 47.31%
Montana: Jon Tester (D) 49.16%, Conrad Burns (R) 48.29%


Can Democrats compete in those states with candidates who will stand up for workers and racial minorities?

Can a candidate run on the values of FDR or MLK-- a living wage, a guaranteed retirement, dignity for everyone (which includes health care, housing, etc)-- and win in these states?

 

[Costanza]

Why it matters even more now than in recent years:

 

[Costanza]

 

[Famous1]

dont worry.... Establishment democrats will be here soon enough to break this bullshit up....

 

[Supersav]

 

[Costanza]

You are pro-capitalism, though, to be clear?

 

[Supersav]

You are pro-capitalism, though, to be clear?

Nope

 

[Costanza]

Nope

Who did you support in the last 5 presidential elections?

 

[Supersav]

Who did you support in the last 5 presidential elections?

Nobody..I don't support this system because both sides serve business and capitalist interests. The working class can't win in this system. In order to thrive there must be extreme poverty and people to exploit

 

[Big Tex]

dont worry.... Establishment democrats will be here soon enough to break this bullshit up....

If that wing of the party wants to prove they are the correct wing to lead, that's the way to do it. Go win in red states. no one has ever been stopping them from doing it.

They can go win in TX, Alabama, West Virginia, etc whenever they like. The party would be ecstatic if they do.

What "establishment dems" have been saying is they can't just win in the bluest of districts and lose everywhere else, then tell everyone else they know how to win.

 

[Famous1]

Nobody..I don't support this system because both sides serve business and capitalist interests. The working class can't win in this system. In order to thrive there must be extreme poverty and people to exploit

So you're a communist?

 

[Supersav]

So you're a communist?

Lenist-Rodneyist

 

[Supersav]

 

[Famous1]

Or....
We could just let Santa Claus sprinkle some of his Christmas magic on the government and we will all live happily ever after ..

 

[Supersav]

Or....
We could just let Santa Claus sprinkle some of his Christmas magic on the government and we will all live happily ever after ..

Or we can do what you guys do and continue to vote for a party that does nothing and hope one day that will change.

 

[Famous1]

Or we can do what you guys do and continue to vote for a party that does nothing and hope one day that will change.

which is a much better option than sitting on your ass reading about a philosophy that will never be found anywhere but in history books. I'd much rather die trying than live capitulating.... ole "woe is me assed nicca".... Ninja's that don't "stand" for something will fall for anything...and thats why you had Trumps nuts in ya mouth before the election. I had more respect for you when i thought you were a republicoon....damn shame.

 

[Dirtylakerie]

I think Texas will eventually turn blue. Maybe in 2-3 more election cycles. Also I think if the right progressive run for president. Ohio and Florida will turn blue again. And all the swing states will turn solid blue.

 

[Supersav]

which is a much better option than sitting on your ass reading about a philosophy that will never be found anywhere but in history books. I'd much rather die trying than live capitulating.... ole "woe is me assed nicca".... Ninja's that don't "stand" for something will fall for anything...and thats why you had Trumps nuts in ya mouth before the election. I had more respect for you when i thought you were a republicoon....damn shame.

 

[Supersav]

which is a much better option than sitting on your ass reading about a philosophy that will never be found anywhere but in history books. I'd much rather die trying than live capitulating.... ole "woe is me assed nicca".... Ninja's that don't "stand" for something will fall for anything...and thats why you had Trumps nuts in ya mouth before the election. I had more respect for you when i thought you were a republicoon....damn shame.

Just say you lack education..you could have saved the rest of that drivel. A philosophy that is only found in history books lol

 

[World B Free]

Each party supports the Pro-Zionist/Billionaire class, though. There needs to be way beyond these two warmongering parties. Basically, do I like the left hand of the serpent or do I like the right hand of the serpent? It's all a serpent.

 

[Supersav]

Each party supports the Pro-Zionist/Billionaire class, though. There needs to be way beyond these two warmongering parties. Basically, do I like the left hand of the serpent or do I like the right hand of the serpent? It's all a serpent.

Why is this so difficult for these clowns to understand?

 

[World B Free]

Why is this so difficult for these clowns to understand?

Yeah, man, they are right in our faces telling us this. Maybe because people love the entertaining propaganda tv shows and the movies.

 

[Costanza]

I think Texas will eventually turn blue. Maybe in 2-3 more election cycles. Also I think if the right progressive run for president. Ohio and Florida will turn blue again. And all the swing states will turn solid blue.

 

[Supersav]

 

[Supersav]

 

[DJ]

OP is a faggit and a republicans cock swallowed.

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

which is a much better option than sitting on your ass reading about a philosophy that will never be found anywhere but in history books. I'd much rather die trying than live capitulating.... ole "woe is me assed nicca".... Ninja's that don't "stand" for something will fall for anything...and thats why you had Trumps nuts in ya mouth before the election. I had more respect for you when i thought you were a republicoon....damn shame.

Dumb nigga doesn't even read, just posts Twitter links.