Bustin' a Cap & Trade

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Bustin' a Cap & Trade
By Paul Chesser on 3.30.09 @ 6:07AM

The increasing atmospheric CO2 has overwhelmed the environmentalists. It's made them fizzy. And they can't claim that any new, associated heat has made them delusional, because it ain't happenin'.

The uncooperative climate and plummeting economy have attempted to deliver a one-two bitchslap smackdown of a wakeup to the global warming alarmists, but they still snooze. They instead cling to the nuns of their religion, hoping to inflate yet another economic balloon: that of a punishing carbon cap-and-trade system, which would heavily tax coal and oil as energy sources in a phony, "market-based" rationing system. The boom-and-bust bad examples of 1990s exuberance, Enron speculation, and the twin bastards of the federal government have not been a lesson learned by these environoiacs. They want AIG on their faces too.

How wedded are they to their anti-fossil fuels scheme? They can't help themselves; they return to Carter-era policies like the Proverbs 26 pooch. It is convulsive and compulsive.

Real consequences mean nothing to them. Instead the warmers' intemperate climate doomcasters and economics imaginarians collaborate to condemn the energy status quo, in favor of prospective sunshiny days that energize solar panels but don't heat the planet. It's a future that abounds with "green" jobs and a "new energy economy," where smatterings of vista spoiling (for non-elitists, that is) wind turbines light the nation. And you know how much waterfront and ridgeline the non-elitists own.

The alarmists have pushed their agenda with amazing arrogance. With the election of their head-swiveling screen reader, they believe the end of their double decade journey to a decarbonated utopia is near, and they have trash-talked all the way.

But despite this hare's once huge lead, we are now at the point where the tortoise has passed the napper. Why? Because the rhetorical inanity of claims to eco-economical benefit by the Green Genies (outrageous, he screams and he bawls) has been overtaken by the economy's current state, and by the newfound understanding that phony markets based on worthless paper collapse and erase assets.

Those who understand all sides of an economic equation (job destruction as well as job creation; costs as well as benefits) have examined the likely trauma that would be inflicted by cap-and-trade. It all started last year with the scrutiny of the Greens' grail: the Lieberman-Warner Climate Security Act. The expert economists at the American Council for Capital Formation (at the behest of the National Association of Manufacturers) foretold the scars and found brutality (PDF):

Under (Lieberman-Warner), the United States would lose between 1.2 and 1.8 million jobs in 2020 and between 3 and 4 million jobs in 2030. The primary cause of job losses would be lower industrial output due to higher energy prices, the high cost of complying with required emissions cuts, and greater competition from overseas manufacturers with lower energy costs.

Higher energy prices would have ripple impacts on prices throughout the economy and would impose a financial cost of $739 to $2,927 per year by 2020 on national households, rising to $4,022 to $6,752 by 2030.

Most energy prices would rise, particularly, coal, oil, and natural gas. The price of gasoline would increase between 60 percent and 144 percent by 2030, while electricity prices would increase by 77 percent to 129 percent. US consumers would pay between 84 percent and 146 percent more for their natural gas by 2030.

ACCF isn't alone in its analysis. The Congressional Budget Office director also testified Thursday that drags on the economy would result from cap-and-trade:

REP. (DAVE) CAMP (R-MI): Would a climate change policy that places a price on carbon -- would that mean higher energy prices across the entire economy?

CBO DIRECTOR (DOUGLAS) ELMENDORF: Yes…at any point in which we are putting a price on carbon emissions, that would be passed through to the cost that consumers face on energy products but also all other products that are made using fossil fuels.

REP CAMP: When CBO estimates the impact of imposing say a cap-and-tax system on the economy, isn't it true that when CBO scores those proposals, that it assumes the increases on energy taxes act as a drag on the economy and thereby reduce other income and payroll receipts?

CBO DIRECTOR ELMENDORF: Yes. An indirect tax -- sales taxes, all sorts of other indirect taxes -- and the carbon tax -- so the price of cap-and-trade allowances would fit in that category. That kind of revenue would then reduce the income that people have and the taxes they pay to the government.

This economic reality also burdens lesser schemes, as studies of the Western Climate Initiative by the Beacon Hill Institute (PDF) and another commissioned by the Western Business Roundtable have shown.

Bored with the economists? Then ask some of the president's allies in the Senate. Ask his pals in Europe, where cap-and-trade has not reduced emissions or produced a thriving "green" economy. Ask state lawmakers who, when now faced with the prospect of wrecking their own economies, can't stomach the idea.

Just don't ask the alarmists. They live in an alternate reality and while pleasurable for the few of them, it scares (VIDEO) the rest of us. That an increasing number of elected officials are more frightened by these actual cap-and-tax ramifications, rather than phony global warming projections, offers hope.

Letter to the Editor

topics:
Global Warming

Paul Chesser is director of Climate Strategies Watch, a free-market, limited-government project that assesses global warming commissions in the states.
 
Paul Krugman Says Cap and Trade Will Not Create Jobs!!!!

Krugman seems to be the mastermind behind democratic economic policies. With that said will they listen to him touting that cap and trade will not create jobs?

Source: RED STATE

Krugman Undermines Waxman-Markey Job Creation Claims
by Ivan Osorio
June 27, 2009 @ 7:35 pm

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Today, National Public Radio held a pep rally for the Waxman-Markey climate change bill, which narrowly passed the House last night, with Paul Krugman as head cheerleader. No critic of the bill was interviewed.
Krugman started out with a brief explanation of the bill. He acknowledged that it would bear some costs, and that some industries and parts of the country that rely on coal “are going to be hurt… somewhat.” He repeated the Democrat talking point that the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated the cost of the bill for the average household would be around$175 “a postage stamp a day.” (Never mind that people are buying fewer stamps because of email; let’s make them spend that money, anyway — for nothing.)
Then NPR host Guy Raz asked Krugman to comment on bill cosponsor Rep. Henry Waxman’s claim that his bill would create jobs. Krugman said:
There will be more wind farms built. There will be people retrofitting power plants to reduce their emissions. There will be people weatherproofing housing and commercial buildings.”
What economists would say is that employment would be just about the same as it would have been otherwise, but it will be a different mix of jobs. [Emphasis added]
That is not job creation, that is a transfer of wealth from a politically disfavored group of industries to a politically favored one. Notice the nebulous reference to “economists.” To which ones is Krugman referring to? Isn’t he one?
Now, back to that $175 per year figure that the bill’s supporters like to bandy about. They love that postage-stamp-a-day comparison so much that I thought it would be a good idea to come up with some of my own. For an average household, that $175 would also amount to:
An additional month of utilities;
One less plane ticket to visit family or go on vacation; or
One payment on a cheap used car
Other similar comparisons are welcome, so please post in the comments below.
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Re: Paul Krugman Says Cap and Trade Will Not Create Jobs!!!!

link?

EDIT: an alternate title to this thread could also be: Krugman says Cap and Trade will not COST jobs!!!

Krugman said:
There will be more wind farms built. There will be people retrofitting power plants to reduce their emissions. There will be people weatherproofing housing and commercial buildings. What economists would say is that employment would be just about the same as it would have been otherwise, but it will be a different mix of jobs.

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Re: Paul Krugman Says Cap and Trade Will Not Create Jobs!!!!

www.redstate.com. Sorry its under my 2 cents. Hat tip to you if i passed over your post. It is the same article.
 
Re: Paul Krugman Says Cap and Trade Will Not Create Jobs!!!!

I just clicked your link. If I'm right NPR is subsidize by the federal government. Mostly liberals who can't compete in the market place without government funding. I think they tried to flower the title up a bit. Once again hat tip to you.
 
Re: Paul Krugman Says Cap and Trade Will Not Create Jobs!!!!

I just clicked your link. If I'm right NPR is subsidize by the federal government. Mostly liberals who can't compete in the market place without government funding. I think they tried to flower the title up a bit. Once again hat tip to you.

I purposely linked NPR because that's the Krugman interview to which your article was referring.

Why give the readers the chopped up version when they can have the full thing?
 
Hoodwinked.......Cap And Trade Could Cost Families $1,761 A Year

Ya'll remember this thread! ! ! ! ! ! Is $245 too much to Pay for the Environment?

http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=395001

The Obama administration has privately concluded that a cap and trade law would cost American taxpayers up to $200 billion a year, the equivalent of hiking personal income taxes by about 15 percent.

A previously unreleased analysis prepared by the U.S. Department of Treasury says the total in new taxes would be between $100 billion to $200 billion a year. At the upper end of the administration's estimate, the cost per American household would be an extra $1,761 a year.

A second memorandum, which was prepared for Obama's transition team after the November election, says this about climate change policies: "Economic costs will likely be on the order of 1 percent of GDP, making them equal in scale to all existing environmental regulation."

The rest of the article
 
Re: Hoodwinked.......Cap And Trade Could Cost Families $1,761 A Year

Personally, I think the government is using legislation (like this) to slow down the runaway resource depletion by the American people.

You can't have a country where everyone gets a couple of cars every 5 years, a big house in a sprawling suburb, a paper-pushing job, living 30 miles from work, commuting in rush-hour, in a gas-guzzling SUV, with 1 person in the vehicle

and expect the world's resources to hold out indefinitely.

The government uses global warming, health care, cap & trade, monetary policy to try and stop this out-of-control American "dream" lifestyle.

When you have a country so desperate for oil, it is looking for it in Canadian sand, you know things are getting really desperate.

The only chance for the US government is double-digit unemployment, inflation, and higher taxes for the forseeable future.

It's the only way to rein-in this population and consumption time bomb.
 
Re: Hoodwinked.......Cap And Trade Could Cost Families $1,761 A Year

Ya'll remember this thread! ! ! ! ! ! Is $245 too much to Pay for the Environment?

http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=395001

The Obama administration has privately concluded that a cap and trade law would cost American taxpayers up to $200 billion a year, the equivalent of hiking personal income taxes by about 15 percent.

A previously unreleased analysis prepared by the U.S. Department of Treasury says the total in new taxes would be between $100 billion to $200 billion a year. At the upper end of the administration's estimate, the cost per American household would be an extra $1,761 a year.

A second memorandum, which was prepared for Obama's transition team after the November election, says this about climate change policies: "Economic costs will likely be on the order of 1 percent of GDP, making them equal in scale to all existing environmental regulation."

The rest of the article

:)

I'm so rarely get cited.


I'd like a comparative analysis of the Treasury Department, the Congressional Budget Office, the Energy Information Administration, the Environmental Protection Agency, the Heritage Foundation, and the Competitive Enterprise Institute's assessments of the reform.

I can go through them myself but it will take some time. Why are the numbers different. What is, and is not being taken into consideration?

also...:

The FOIA'd document written by Judson Jaffe, who joined the Treasury Department's Office of Environment and Energy in January 2009, says: "Given the administration's proposal to auction all emission allowances, a cap-and-trade program could generate federal receipts on the order of $100 to $200 billion annually." (Obviously, any final cap-and-trade system may be different from what Obama had proposed, and could yield higher or lower taxes.)

So, is the legislation going to pay for itself? Maybe...
 
Re: Hoodwinked.......Cap And Trade Could Cost Families $1,761 A Year

Personally, I think the government is using legislation (like this) to slow down the runaway resource depletion by the American people.

You can't have a country where everyone gets a couple of cars every 5 years, a big house in a sprawling suburb, a paper-pushing job, living 30 miles from work, commuting in rush-hour, in a gas-guzzling SUV, with 1 person in the vehicle

and expect the world's resources to hold out indefinitely.

The government uses global warming, health care, cap & trade, monetary policy to try and stop this out-of-control American "dream" lifestyle.

When you have a country so desperate for oil, it is looking for it in Canadian sand, you know things are getting really desperate.

The only chance for the US government is double-digit unemployment, inflation, and higher taxes for the forseeable future.

It's the only way to rein-in this population and consumption time bomb.

I somewhat disagree here. If we put as much resources and effort toward creating/implementing new sources of energy as we do war, space exploration, maintaining the status quo, etc. We could eliminate a lot of these problems, along with many of our reasons for going to war. In such cases, I'd be willing to take a hit in additional taxes if it directly resulted in a substantial drop in costs for utilities, gasoline, travel, a cleaner and more efficient environment, increased national security, etc..

If a 3kWp solar panel can power an entire home on it's own, and it's possible to develop cars that can run on water or compressed air, consumption shouldnt be an issue.

As soon as our government allowed corporations to be identified as a person, and that person's only means of existence is make money, by any means, or die... we fucked ourselves. And now they have so much influence in our government that implementing changes at their expense is going to be extremely costly (politically, financially, etc.), no matter how you look at it. But those costs would only be temporary until we reach a sustainable state. Which can be several years, or a few decades depending on how much the corp. and public resists the inevitable.

At least thats how I see it at the moment.
 
Re: Hoodwinked.......Cap And Trade Could Cost Families $1,761 A Year

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