Bush vetos child heath care

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WASHINGTON - President Bush cast a quiet veto Wednesday against a politically attractive expansion of children's health insurance, triggering a struggle with the Democratic-controlled Congress certain to reverberate into the 2008 elections.
"Congress will fight hard to override President Bush's heartless veto," vowed Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada.
Republican leaders expressed confidence they have enough votes to make the veto stick in the House, and not a single senior Democrat disputed them. A two-thirds majority in both houses of Congress is required to override a veto.
Bush vetoed the bill in private, absent the television cameras and other media coverage that normally attend even routine presidential actions. The measure called for adding an estimated four million mostly lower-income children to a program that currently covers 6.6 million. Funds for the expansion would come from higher tobacco taxes, including a 61-cent increase on a pack of cigarettes.
"Poor kids first," Bush said later in explaining his decision, reflecting a concern that some of the bill's benefits would go to families at higher incomes. "Secondly, I believe in private medicine, not the federal government running the health care system," he added in remarks to an audience in Lancaster, Pa.
The president said he is willing to compromise with Congress "if they need a little more money in the bill to help us meet the objective of getting help for poor children."
It was the fourth veto of Bush's presidency, at a time his popularity is low, the legislation popular enough to draw support from dozens of GOP lawmakers, and an override certain to seal his lame-duck status.
Democratic leaders scheduled the showdown for Oct. 18 to allow two weeks for pressure to build on Republicans. A union-led organization said it would spend more than $3 million trying to influence the outcome. "It's going to be a hard vote for Republicans," promised Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.


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I hate this fool. I really do. His excuse for not giving poor kids health care is that he's afraid a few rich kids will get it, too? Yet he's about to ask for another 190 Billion for the war! Sick and evil!!!
 
WASHINGTON - President Bush cast a quiet veto Wednesday against a politically attractive expansion of children's health insurance, triggering a struggle with the Democratic-controlled Congress certain to reverberate into the 2008 elections.
"Congress will fight hard to override President Bush's heartless veto," vowed Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada.
Republican leaders expressed confidence they have enough votes to make the veto stick in the House, and not a single senior Democrat disputed them. A two-thirds majority in both houses of Congress is required to override a veto.
Bush vetoed the bill in private, absent the television cameras and other media coverage that normally attend even routine presidential actions. The measure called for adding an estimated four million mostly lower-income children to a program that currently covers 6.6 million. Funds for the expansion would come from higher tobacco taxes, including a 61-cent increase on a pack of cigarettes.
"Poor kids first," Bush said later in explaining his decision, reflecting a concern that some of the bill's benefits would go to families at higher incomes. "Secondly, I believe in private medicine, not the federal government running the health care system," he added in remarks to an audience in Lancaster, Pa.
The president said he is willing to compromise with Congress "if they need a little more money in the bill to help us meet the objective of getting help for poor children."
It was the fourth veto of Bush's presidency, at a time his popularity is low, the legislation popular enough to draw support from dozens of GOP lawmakers, and an override certain to seal his lame-duck status.
Democratic leaders scheduled the showdown for Oct. 18 to allow two weeks for pressure to build on Republicans. A union-led organization said it would spend more than $3 million trying to influence the outcome. "It's going to be a hard vote for Republicans," promised Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.


Full Story: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071003...en_s_health;_ylt=AoXSKsarNV1WQxpI_JXd3A6s0NUE


I hate this fool. I really do. His excuse for not giving poor kids health care is that he's afraid a few rich kids will get it, too? Yet he's about to ask for another 190 Billion for the war! Sick and evil!!!
i have not seen a child turned away at any hospital yet welfare recipents have better health care than me
which war is worse ? the war in iraq or the war in the hoods over crack ,yet you dont cry about youre local drug lords do you!
up in arms over the jena six but dont give a shit about everyday black on black violince ! nobody said common sense would always feel good, you feel me!
 
i have not seen a child turned away at any hospital yet welfare recipents have better health care than me
which war is worse ? the war in iraq or the war in the hoods over crack ,yet you dont cry about youre local drug lords do you!
up in arms over the jena six but dont give a shit about everyday black on black violince ! nobody said common sense would always feel good, you feel me!

No, I don't feel your ignorant ass. We have had many discussions on BGOL about black-on-black violence and I have expressed my feelings on that as well. I DO speak out on people selling poison to my people, fool. You really don't know me; you assume I'm the average ninja but you're mistaken. I suggest you refrain from blind accusations. For your info, a lot of the people "up in arms" over the Jena 6 are also the ones who protest "everyday black-on-black violence" as you put it. Its just that B on B violence gets a lot less media coverage, so caucasians and simp negroes always assume that nobody is saying anything.


VegasGuy:
A mutha fucka asking for 190 Billion dollars more for a war that only benefits him and his cronies has no right to talk of cost.
If it helps 2.6 million more children without health care, its not that huge of a sacrifice. Its just that dumb ass Americans are in a "me" mindset for the most part and care more about American Idol results and Anna Nicole's baby than the future of our country - the youth. If you can't afford cigarettes, stop smoking.
 
i have not seen a child turned away at any hospital yet welfare recipents have better health care than me
which war is worse ? the war in iraq or the war in the hoods over crack ,yet you dont cry about youre local drug lords do you!
up in arms over the jena six but dont give a shit about everyday black on black violince ! nobody said common sense would always feel good, you feel me!

:hmm: :confused:

Never mind your existence. You sir, are NON- Relevant.



Bottom line. Scaring people about Fed health care is just another tactic of the Bush's and their HMO buddies.

A child who CAN NOT work or EARN their own health care, should be taken CARE of by a system.


They are children. Not all of them had the benefit of parents like mine! Who took care of any health issues I may have had.

I will gladly give my hard earned to the benefit of a child in need.

The real WELL-FARE is going to those who profit from the insurance industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the Health Insurance Association of America trade group, ALL of them are on WELL - FARE, of your dollar.
 

VegasGuy:
A mutha fucka asking for 190 Billion dollars more for a war that only benefits him and his cronies has no right to talk of cost.
If it helps 2.6 million more children without health care, its not that huge of a sacrifice. Its just that dumb ass Americans are in a "me" mindset for the most part and care more about American Idol results and Anna Nicole's baby than the future of our country - the youth. If you can't afford cigarettes, stop smoking.

Apples and oranges son. You should be better prepared than this but the media got you all fucked up with the press releases.

S-chip's funding is safe. This is an expansion, not a cancellation of the s-chip program. Poor children without coverage are already provided for. This is an expansion that removes the responsibility FROM parents who can afford it and gives it to the tax payer.

Personally, I'm NOT for giving the government any more money to pay for shit I should be able to pay for myself. They have a very fucked up track record managing money or have you just closed your eyes to social security, medicare, foodstamp, pentagon waste fraud and abuse like that's nothing?

You want to keep doing this bullshit? I don't playa.

Make the congress allow me to deduct those costs from EXISTING taxes and I'm all over it. I wish you short formers would own some property and pay quarterly taxes for a few months. You'd see things a whole like different.

-VG
 
:hmm: :confused:

Bottom line. Scaring people about Fed health care is just another tactic of the Bush's and their HMO buddies.

A child who CAN NOT work or EARN their own health care, should be taken CARE of by a system.


They are children. Not all of them had the benefit of parents like mine! Who took care of any health issues I may have had.

I will gladly give my hard earned to the benefit of a child in need.

The real WELL-FARE is going to those who profit from the insurance industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the Health Insurance Association of America trade group, ALL of them are on WELL - FARE, of your dollar.

While I agree that children can't generate funds for themselves, shouldn't thier parents, or benevolent adults be the ones to take care of them ? Why should anyone else be compelled to pay for a child they did not create ?

Also, doesn't expanding the coverage give more welfare to the HIAA ?
 
While I agree that children can't generate funds for themselves, shouldn't thier parents, or benevolent adults be the ones to take care of them ? Why should anyone else be compelled to pay for a child they did not create ?

Also, doesn't expanding the coverage give more welfare to the HIAA ?

Not to mention, those monies are going to come with strings.

-VG
 
Apples and oranges son. You should be better prepared than this but the media got you all fucked up with the press releases.

S-chip's funding is safe. This is an expansion, not a cancellation of the s-chip program. Poor children without coverage are already provided for. This is an expansion that removes the responsibility FROM parents who can afford it and gives it to the tax payer.

Personally, I'm NOT for giving the government any more money to pay for shit I should be able to pay for myself. They have a very fucked up track record managing money or have you just closed your eyes to social security, medicare, foodstamp, pentagon waste fraud and abuse like that's nothing?

You want to keep doing this bullshit? I don't playa.

Make the congress allow me to deduct those costs from EXISTING taxes and I'm all over it. I wish you short formers would own some property and pay quarterly taxes for a few months. You'd see things a whole like different.

-VG

Whoa there, homie. I don't know what makes you think I don't own property already. Let's be adults here and not get personal, aight?
Yes, taxes are a muthafucka. I know this. At the same time, I (and most of the damn government in case you haven't checked) APPROVE of this move. They are 15 votes shy over overturning the President's veto. That's how sure they are. Even the Republicans are siding up on this one. Don't tell me its apples and oranges when its all coming out of the taxpayers pockets in some way or another. You conservatives are so self-centered its not even funny and still refuse to look at the bigger picture - you know, the one that involves the NEXT GENERATIONS.
Fuckallyall - your name fits. Same thing. your mentality seems to be the same as Vegas Guy. Its very selfish to deny health care to the poor over a couple of extra tax dollars ON FUCKING CIGARETTES. I guess you two either have never been poor or in need of health care but I was when I was a kid and I understand. Our current health care system is FAILING. Everybody knows this. HMOs are killing the nation. Bush rattled off about "Socialist Heath Care" as a reason for vetoing this plan. That dumb fuck.
You guys are in the minority on this one and will remain that way. The nation wants health care for its youth who can't afford it and we will have it whether you like it or not. Its going to happen. If not now, during the next Presidency for sure. I'm done with y'all.
Peace.
 
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S-chip's funding is safe. This is an expansion, not a cancellation of the s-chip program. Poor children without coverage are already provided for. This is an expansion that removes the responsibility FROM parents who can afford it and gives it to the tax payer.

Make the congress allow me to deduct those costs from EXISTING taxes and I'm all over it. I wish you short formers would own some property and pay quarterly taxes for a few months. You'd see things a whole like different.

-VG

That was my understanding.... it raises the maximum income for a two parent household to qualify, from around $40,000 to about $80,000...

If that were the case, most parents would drop family coverage with there private employers to enroll in the government plan.

In some way, its like a "backdoor method" to eventually work its way into national health care system.
 
Bush veto strategy threatens Republicans​

By Steven Thomma and Tony Pugh | McClatchy Newspapers
Posted on Wednesday, October 3, 2007

WASHINGTON — President Bush is putting his fellow Republicans on a collision course with the American people, forcing them to choose between guns and butter.

In this newest example of a historic clash over priorities, Bush is asking Congress for $190 billion to keep financing the unpopular war in Iraq for another year and vowing to veto as early as Wednesday a bipartisan plan to spend an additional $35 billion over five years on health insurance for children.

Polls suggest that Bush's budget battle could be a loser for his party. Two new polls — one nonpartisan and one sponsored by a labor union — showed that solid U.S. majorities want to cut the financing for the war and increase spending on children's health insurance.

Democrats and allied interest groups know it. They're launching ad campaigns to increase pressure on Republican lawmakers in vulnerable seats to support the increased spending — or face great risk in next year's elections.

"This is a fight that Democrats ought to welcome, that Republicans ought to fear," Democratic pollster Geoff Garin said.

"The battle over spending priorities is the most important fight since the showdown over privatizing Social Security," said Gerald McEntee, the president of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees. "I don't think we need to remind Bush who won that battle."

Bush's political motive is clear: He wants to restore his party's reputation as fiscally conservative after six years of letting domestic spending grow faster than it did under Democrat Bill Clinton.

Thus, a president who didn't veto a single spending bill in his first six years in office now vows to veto not only more spending for children's health insurance but nine other spending bills as well. Bush says Congress mustn't spend more on domestic programs than the $933 billion he requested for fiscal 2008. The Democratic-led Congress wants to spend $22 billion more than that — less than 1 percent of the federal budget. On this difference rests his nine-bill veto threat.

The American people seem to line up against Bush, particularly as he appears to link the two controversies by sending Congress his request to finance the Iraq war at the same time that he's vetoing the State Children's Health Insurance Program.

In a new ABC-Washington Post survey, 67 percent of the respondents said they wanted Congress to reduce the amount of money going to Iraq and Afghanistan, while 27 percent wanted lawmakers to approve Bush's spending request. At the same time, 72 percent said they wanted Congress to approve the additional spending on children's health insurance, while 25 percent opposed it.

Republicans at the White House and in the congressional leadership say there's no connection between spending on Iraq and on children's health insurance, and work to portray the children's bill as a partisan Democratic proposal.

House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, for example, said the proposal was put together without input from Republicans.

That isn't true. Senior Republicans such as Sens. Charles Grassley of Iowa, the senior Republican on the Senate Finance Committee and a fiscal conservative, and Orrin Hatch of Utah helped draft the bill, and 18 Republicans in the Senate and 45 in the House of Representatives voted for it.

Moreover, Grassley contests Bush's objections to the children's health insurance bill.

Pressure now mounts on Republicans who voted against the new spending but come from swing districts, where the idea of greater spending on health insurance for kids could be as popular with their constituents as it is nationally.

Health-insurance advocates need 25 more votes in the House to override a Bush veto. They have enough votes to override in the Senate if they hold every vote they collected at the measure's initial passage.

The Democrats' political operation for House candidates, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, began running radio ads this week in the districts of eight swing-district Republicans who voted against the measure. As many as 25 others could be targeted.

The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees and another group, Americans United For Change, are launching a $3 million to $5 million ad campaign against other Republicans.

At the same time, Majority Whip James Clyburn, D-S.C., said Tuesday that of eight House Democrats who'd opposed the measure and three others who didn't vote on it, five had now agreed to support it. Clyburn wouldn't disclose their names.

ARE BUSH'S POINTS VALID?

President Bush claims that the bipartisan bill to expand the State Children's Health Insurance Program "would result in taking a program meant to help poor children and turning it into one that covers children in households with incomes up to $83,000 a year."

That's not true.

The bill maintains current law. It limits the program to children from families with incomes up to twice the federal poverty level — now $20,650 for a family of four, for a program limit of $41,300 — or to 50 percentage points above a state's Medicaid eligibility threshold, which varies state to state.

States that want to increase eligibility beyond those limits would require approval from Bush's Health and Human Services Department, just as they must win waivers now. The HHS recently denied a request by New York to increase its income threshold to four times the poverty level — the $82,600 figure that Republican opponents of the bill are using.

Under current law, nineteen states have won waivers from these income limits. The biggest was granted to New Jersey, which upped its income limit to 350 percent of the federal poverty level, or $72,275 for a family of four in 2007. The expanded SCHIP program retains the waiver option under federal discretion; it doesn't change it.

The president also claims that the proposal would cause some families to drop private coverage and enroll their children in the cheaper SCHIP program.

That's true.

Peter Orszag, the director of the Congressional Budget Office, said that was inevitable to some degree when any government program expanded. The CBO estimates that the legislation would attract 5.8 million new enrollees by 2012. Of them, 3.8 million would be uninsured and eligible under current requirements, and 2 million probably would have had private coverage before the expansion.

That's a rate of about 1 in 3 new enrollees dropping private insurance. "We don't see very many other policy options that would reduce the number of uninsured children by the same amount without creating more" dropouts from private insurance, Orszag said.

'DEMOCRATS' TARGETS

Democrats are airing radio ads to pressure eight Republicans in the House of Representatives to support expanded spending for children's health insurance: Reps. Steve Chabot of Ohio, Thelma Drake of Virginia, Tom Feeney of Florida, Sam Graves of Missouri, Joe Knollenberg of Michigan, John "Randy" Kuhl of New York, James Saxton of New Jersey and Tim Walberg of Michigan.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/20169.html
 
Bush veto strategy threatens Republicans!

Strategy? That's laughable. And who gives a shit who's party bullshit is affected?? If the dems were running shit, I'd say the same thing. It's bad law. I don't want to pay for it. Unbelieveable how WE THE PEOPLE always have to filter our lives with THE PARTY when it comes to MY MONEY!

-VG
 
ARE BUSH'S POINTS VALID?

President Bush claims that the bipartisan bill to expand the State Children's Health Insurance Program "would result in taking a program meant to help poor children and turning it into one that covers children in households with incomes up to $83,000 a year."

That's not true.

The bill maintains current law. It limits the program to children from families with incomes up to twice the federal poverty level — now $20,650 for a family of four, for a program limit of $41,300 — or to 50 percentage points above a state's Medicaid eligibility threshold, which varies state to state.

States that want to increase eligibility beyond those limits would require approval from Bush's Health and Human Services Department, just as they must win waivers now. The HHS recently denied a request by New York to increase its income threshold to four times the poverty level — the $82,600 figure that Republican opponents of the bill are using.

Under current law, nineteen states have won waivers from these income limits. The biggest was granted to New Jersey, which upped its income limit to 350 percent of the federal poverty level, or $72,275 for a family of four in 2007. The expanded SCHIP program retains the waiver option under federal discretion; it doesn't change it.

The president also claims that the proposal would cause some families to drop private coverage and enroll their children in the cheaper SCHIP program.

That's true.



Peter Orszag, the director of the Congressional Budget Office, said that was inevitable to some degree when any government program expanded. The CBO estimates that the legislation would attract 5.8 million new enrollees by 2012. Of them, 3.8 million would be uninsured and eligible under current requirements, and 2 million probably would have had private coverage before the expansion.

That's a rate of about 1 in 3 new enrollees dropping private insurance. "We don't see very many other policy options that would reduce the number of uninsured children by the same amount without creating more" dropouts from private insurance, Orszag said.
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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/20169.html

I don't think this bill is effectively dead... It was my understanding its going to be revised. From what I'm reading in your article, one of the hang ups is in deteriming what will be the agreed on state waiver options.
 
Bush's False Claims About Children's Health Insurance​

FACT CHECK . ORG
September 21, 2007

The president mischaracterizes congressional efforts to expand the SCHIP program.

Summary
President Bush gave a false description of proposed legislation to expand the 10-year-old federal program to provide health insurance for children in low-income working families.

He said it "would result" in covering children in families with incomes up to $83,000 per year, which isn't true. The Urban Institute estimated that 70 percent of children who would gain coverage are in families earning half that amount, and the bill contains no requirement for setting income eligibility caps any higher than what's in the current law. (The compromise bill that was released a few days after Bush's press conference does rescind an administration effort to block New York state from increasing its eligibility cap to that level.)

He also said the program was "meant to help poor children," when in fact Congress stated that it was meant to expand insurance coverage beyond the poor and to cover millions of "low-income" children who were well above the poverty line. Under current law most states cover children at twice or even three times the official poverty level.

The president also says Congress' expansion is a step toward government-run health care for all. It's true that some children and families with private insurance are expected to shift to the government program. But the Congressional Budget Office estimates that such a shift is relatively low considering the number of uninsured these bills would reach.

Analysis
In President Bush's Sept. 20 news conference, he expressed his displeasure with Congress' bill to expand the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP). Bush said he supported the program and had called for an increase in funding for SCHIP of $5 billion over five years. But both the House and the Senate have called for a much larger expansion, one that would cost an additional $35 or $50 billion, with the House calling for the larger upgrade. Bush has a threatened a veto. In explaining his opposition to Congress' plans, however, he falsely characterized the bill in one instance and was misleading in others. (Today, congressional leaders agreed on compromise legislation that would call for the $35 billion increase. The full legislation will be available Monday.)


Covering those making $83k?​


The president repeated a false charge that has been bandied about by the administration and other Republicans:

Bush: Their proposal would result in taking a program meant to help poor children and turning it into one that covers children in households with incomes of up to $83,000 a year.​

In fact, nothing in either the House or Senate bill would force coverage for families earning $83,000 a year. That's already possible under current law, but no state sets its cut-off that high for a family of four and the bill contains no requirement for any such increase. The Bush administration, in fact, just denied a request by New York to set its income cut-off at $82,600 for a family of four, a move New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer and members of Congress from the state have vigorously protested. And Bush would retain the authority to deny similar applications under the proposed legislation. An Aug. 17 letter to state health officials from the Center on Medicare and Medicaid Services outlined new guidelines for states that would make it quite difficult for states to raise eligibility above 250 percent of the federal poverty level ($51,625 for a family of four). So Bush is simply wrong to say that the legislation "would" result in families making $83,000 a year to be eligible. It might happen in a future administration, but that would be possible without the new legislation.

In fact, the vast majority of the children who stand to gain coverage under the proposed legislation are in families making half of the figure Bush gave. A study just released by the Urban Institute estimates that 70 percent of children who are projected to benefit from either the Senate or House bills are in families with incomes below 200 percent of the federal poverty level (currently $41,300 for a family of four). Our several calls to the White House press office to pinpoint exactly what the president meant by the $83k remark were not returned.


The Poor?​

See Chart - Who's Eligible Now:http://www.factcheck.org/bushs_false_claims_about_childrens_health_insurance.html

Bush also misstated the intent of the SCHIP program by claiming it "was meant to help poor children." That's false as well. Poor children, defined as those in families below the official federal poverty level, were already covered by Medicaid. The stated intent of Congress when it established the program in 1997 was to expand coverage beyond those who were poor to "uninsured low-income" children. And in Washington-speak, there's a significant difference between "poor" and "low-income."

Congress didn't specify exactly what it meant by "low-income" in the bill that became law or the conference report that accompanied it on final passage, and reasonable people can certainly come up with different definitions. However, if one defines "low" as meaning "lower than most families make," then there is plenty of room to expand the current SCHIP program without violating the original aim stated by Congress in 1997.

Currently, the state with the highest income cap is New Jersey, where a family of four making up to $72,275 is eligible. (See chart at left for current cut-offs for all 50 states and the District of Columbia.) That's well below the median income for a family of four in that state, which was $94,441 in 2006 according to the U.S. Census Bureau. The median means half of all families made less than that, and half made more. So even New Jersey's ceiling for SCHIP is significantly lower than what most families in that state bring in.

The same is true for all 10 of the jurisdictions with the highest ceilings. The median income for families of four last year was $84,472 in Hawaii, $93,821 in Connecticut, $94,017 in Maryland, $71,571 in D.C., $89,347 in Massachusetts, $63,274 in Missouri, $87,396 in New Hampshire, $74,072 in Pennsylvania, and $67,884 in Vermont. So under current law even the top 10 cover only families with income that is "low" compared to most others there.


The Crowd-out Effect​

In the news conference, the president also described Congress' SCHIP expansion as a step toward government-run health coverage.

Bush: The proposal would move millions of American children who now have private health insurance into government-run health care. Our goals should be for children who have no health insurance to be able to get private coverage, not for children who already have private health insurance to be able to get government coverage.... Their S-CHIP plan is an incremental step toward the goal of government-run health care for every American.​

It is true that the Congressional Budget Office has projected that the House and Senate bills will cause some who recently had private coverage to sign up for SCHIP or Medicaid coverage, depending on how the state administers those programs. However, Bush is being misleading by leaving out additional details about this shift. The Congressional Budget Office director said he hasn't seen another policy proposal that would reach as great a level of the uninsured with as low of an effect on those who had private insurance.

Health care and government experts, including CBO Director Peter R. Orszag and MIT economics professor Jonathan Gruber, have said that when the government offers programs that target the uninsured, those programs will inevitably be used by some who already have or could have private insurance. Experts call this effect "crowd-out."

The House bill would extend coverage to a total of 7.5 million people, 5 million of whom are uninsured, while the Senate bill would reach 6.1 million, 4 million of whom are uninsured, according to CBO reports. The rest of those affected by the expansions would have private or other coverage. Those numbers give crowd-out rates of 32 percent for the House bill and 34 percent for Senate's. Orszag said of the House crowd-out effect, "given the scale of the net reduction in the uninsured, it’s pretty much as good as you’re going to get. In other words, I have not seen any other proposals to reduce the number of uninsured children by 5 million with crowd-out rates that are lower than 33 percent. Again, in the absence of a mandate on an employer, or a mandate on an individual, or a mandate on state governments, CBO does not believe you’re going to do much better than these kinds of crowd-out rates." (Our calculations show 32 percent from the CBO charts, which include numbers rounded to one decimal point.)

Orszag made those remarks at an Aug. 29 conference by The Alliance for Health Reform, where he also said that the bills included measures to minimize the crowd-out effect and that the Senate bill gave states incentives to target lower-income families. Gruber, who worked on the initial development of SCHIP, wrote in a letter to Rep. John Dingell, chairman of the energy and commerce committee, that "no public policy can perfectly target the uninsured," but that expansions like SCHIP are the most cost-effective ways of increasing health coverage.

Gruber: I have undertaken a number of analyses to compare the public sector costs of public sector expansions such as SCHIP to alternatives such as tax credits. I find that the public sector provides much more insurance coverage at a much lower cost under SCHIP than these alternatives. Tax subsidies mostly operate to "buy out the base" of insured without providing much new coverage.​

As for SCHIP’s current crowd-out rate, a May 2007 CBO report said that estimates vary but that the figure is “most probably” between 25 percent and 50 percent.

The president says movement of people from private to public insurance under these bills is unacceptable, which is a matter of opinion. We feel this additional information is necessary to give a full picture of the bills' effects.


A Better Way to Reach the Uninsured?​

After the president spoke, Secretary of Health and Human Services Mike Leavitt continued to field press questions. He spoke highly of the president’s proposal to help the uninsured:

Leavitt: He made a proposal at the State of the Union that, ironically, would have -- according to the Lewin Group, would have provided insurance to 4.25 million children, children who currently do not have coverage. The bill that the President will veto will -- is represented to offer 2.6 million insurance. However, 1.2 million of those already have private insurance, and 900,000 of them already qualify.

We’re not sure where the 2.6 million or 1.2 million numbers come from. As we've said, according to the CBO analyses, the House bill would reach 7.5 million people, 2.4 million of whom had private or other coverage. The Senate bill would cover 6.1 million, 2.1 million of whom had private insurance.

We do know where the 4.25 million figure comes from: According to John Shiels at the Lewin Group, the secretary simply misspoke. The Lewin Group did not analyze the effect Bush’s proposed tax refund program would have on children in particular; all Shiels could tell us with total confidence was that “more than a dozen” children would gain insurance under the plan. The group did find that Bush’s initial proposal would reduce the uninsured by 9.2 million, a disproportionate number of whom would be well above the poverty level. For instance, 38.6 percent of the uninsured with a family income of $100,000 or more per year would become newly insured, but only 3.8 percent of those making less than $10,000 would. (Lewin uses the Census' definition of a family, which doesn't differentiate based on family size.) The Congressional Budget Office, meanwhile, has estimated that Bush’s proposal would lead to a net decrease of fewer than 0.5 million uninsured children.


Butt Out the Truth​

Finally, the president’s interpretation of the SCHIP program’s effect on taxes needs some context. Bush said, “The legislation would raise taxes on working people.” Actually, what SCHIP would do is increase the federal tobacco excise tax on all tobacco products. The federal government puts a tax of 39 cents a pack on cigarettes, with all revenue going into the general treasury fund. The House bill would increase that tax by 45 cents, while the Senate would tack on 61 cents, with the revenue specifically funding the SCHIP expansion.

It is unclear what the president means by “working people.” But as the Congressional Research Service pointed out, an increased cigarette tax means the “burden falls heavily on lower income people.” Statistics reported by the American Heart Association showed that smoking is “highest among persons living below the poverty level.” Forty-six million adults in the country are smokers.

– by Lori Robertson and Jess Henig, with Brooks Jackson and Justin Bank

Update: On September 24, the Senate Finance Committee released
the text of the compromise legislation, which went on to pass both houses of Congress that week. The CBO determined that the bill would expand coverage to 5.8 million children, 3.8 million of whom are uninsured and 2 million of whom have or have access to private health insurance. That’s a crowd-out rate of 34 percent. About 79 percent of the new enrollees qualify under the existing eligibility guidelines, the CBO report said.

Here’s what would happen to New York’s request to increase its eligibility cap to 400 percent of the poverty level: The new legislation would rescind the Aug. 17 letter from HHS that required states to meet certain requirements before they could raise eligibility above 250 percent of the poverty level. Instead, HHS would issue new requirements for states seeking to increase their caps above 300 percent. After Oct. 1, 2010, states failing to meet those requirements wouldn’t get federal funds for children above that 300 percent mark (see Sec. 116 of the bill).

Also, states that meet the requirements and extend eligibility above 300 percent of the poverty level would get a reduced federal matching rate for children in families above that 300 percent threshold. States that already have a higher cap (only New Jersey) and those that were about to put one in place (only New York) would be exempt from that federal match restriction. So, New York could increase its income eligibility cap to $82,600 for a family of four for at least two years, until late 2010, as long as the state’s plan is approved by HHS. After that, to continue getting funds for children above the 300 percent level, the state would have to meet the federal government’s new guidelines. The president has a point in that the bill allows New York to increase its eligibility cap beyond what his administration was willing to permit. But with the eligibility restrictions and incentives the new legislation puts in place, it’s misleading for the president to say the bill is “turning [the program] into one that covers children in households with incomes of up to $83,000 a year.”



Sources

United States, Congressional Budget Office. "H.R. 976, the Children’s Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007." 24 Aug. 2007.

United States, Congressional Budget Office. "H.R. 3162, the Children’s Health and Medicare Protection Act." 1 Aug. 2007.

Alliance for Health Reform. "Who’s Counting? What is crowd-out, how big is it and does it matter for SCHIP?" Conference transcript. 29 Aug. 2007.

Kenney, Genevieve M.; Cook, Allison; and Pelletier, Jennifer. "SCHIP Reauthorization: How Will Low-Income Kids Benefit under House and Senate Bills?" Urban Institute. 17 Sept. 2007.

Baumrucker, Evelyne P.; Fernandez, Bernadette; et al. "Medicaid and SCHIP Provisions in H.R. 3162 and S. 1893/H.R. 976," Congressional Research Service. 15 Aug. 2007.

Sheils, John, and Randy Haught. "President Bush's Health Care Tax Deduction Proposal: Coverage, Costs and Distributional Impacts." The Lewin Group. 29 Jan. 2007.

http://www.factcheck.org/bushs_false_claims_about_childrens_health_insurance.html
 
He said it "would result" in covering children in families with incomes up to $83,000 per year, which isn't true. The Urban Institute estimated that 70 percent of children who would gain coverage are in families earning half that amount, and the bill contains no requirement for setting income eligibility caps any higher than what's in the current law.

Oh yeah. That's better. :hmm:

Bottom line it still spending MORE of my got damn money. I'm not with that.

-VG
 
Bush veto strategy threatens Republicans!

Strategy? That's laughable. And who gives a shit who's party bullshit is affected?? If the dems were running shit, I'd say the same thing. It's bad law. I don't want to pay for it. Unbelieveable how WE THE PEOPLE always have to filter our lives with THE PARTY when it comes to MY MONEY!

-VG

Come again? You weren't by these comments suggesting or insinuating that the article had anything to do with my personal views, were you ???

The article stands for whatever truth there may or may not be contained therein. People are making some good arguments on both sides of the coin, but it doesn't hurt to add to the commentary does it?

QueEx
 
Come again? You weren't by these comments suggesting or insinuating that the article had anything to do with my personal views, were you ???

The article stands for whatever truth there may or may not be contained therein. People are making some good arguments on both sides of the coin, but it doesn't hurt to add to the commentary does it?

QueEx

Hold on black man, where is all that coming from? You only posted the article, you didn't write that bullshit.

My point is, this is simply another way to extract more of my money from me. We already have a system that supposed to address all this health care stuff. It's called Welfare / Medicare / public assistance. I'm already paying into that system for that.

Why not use those mechanism to address this? I know why they won't and you do too. Because the same people begging for more money already fucked those systems up and they are damn near broke.

There was more than enough tax money going into the general fund to keep those systems solvent but politicians from both sides of the isle fucked it all up.

Now they use our children to convince me to produce more money and give it to the same people who have a 100 year track record of fucking up money.

It doesn't move me man. I'm not with it QueEx.

These people are shameful as hell using children to push a lie on us. What's next, grabbing that dude that does the donation infomercials with the kids with no running water and flies on 'em to walk around the inner cities to get a bill passed?

People can make whatever argument they want but until I hear it can come from existing tax revenue, I'm flat out not for it. I don't want to give more power to those party idiots in washington.

I don't. Flat out.

You know what else, not on this subject but I'm still waiting for this big audit of the education department. I remember some years ago, several big auditing firms tried to find out what is happening to that damn money and it's so fucked over, they could not get it done. Then politicians got in front of the process and the big auditing firms disappeared.

I bet there are billions or trillions of dollars being fucked around in that money grab. That's next on my hit list if they come around begging for more money too. So stay tuned.

-VG
 
If he did, it was for good reason. It asked for healthcare for all children, probably non citizens included, there is still the issue with that. Sometimes it helps to know the finer details. I hate the fact that it did not pass. But at the same time, there are other issues linked to this...
 
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"Jim, I don't understand poor people. I've never lived with poor people or been around poor people much. I don't understand what they think and feel about a lot of things. I'm just a white Republican guy who doesn't get it. How do I get it?"

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Conservatives Are Such Jokers
“First of all, whenever I hear anything described as a heartless assault on our children, I tend to think it’s a good idea. I’m happy that the president’s willing to do something bad for the kids.”

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By PAUL KRUGMAN

October 5th 2007


In 1960, John F. Kennedy, who had been shocked by the hunger he saw in West Virginia, made the fight against hunger a theme of his presidential campaign. After his election he created the modern food stamp program, which today helps millions of Americans get enough to eat.

But Ronald Reagan thought the issue of hunger in the world’s richest nation was nothing but a big joke. Here’s what Reagan said in his famous 1964 speech “A Time for Choosing,” which made him a national political figure: “We were told four years ago that 17 million people went to bed hungry each night. Well, that was probably true. They were all on a diet.”

Today’s leading conservatives are Reagan’s heirs. If you’re poor, if you don’t have health insurance, if you’re sick — well, they don’t think it’s a serious issue. In fact, they think it’s funny.

On Wednesday, President Bush vetoed legislation that would have expanded S-chip, the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, providing health insurance to an estimated 3.8 million children who would otherwise lack coverage.

In anticipation of the veto, William Kristol, the editor of The Weekly Standard, had this to say: “First of all, whenever I hear anything described as a heartless assault on our children, I tend to think it’s a good idea. I’m happy that the president’s willing to do something bad for the kids.” Heh-heh-heh.

Most conservatives are more careful than Mr. Kristol. They try to preserve the appearance that they really do care about those less fortunate than themselves. But the truth is that they aren’t bothered by the fact that almost nine million children in America lack health insurance. They don’t think it’s a problem.

“I mean, people have access to health care in America,” said Mr. Bush in July. “After all, you just go to an emergency room.”

And on the day of the veto, Mr. Bush dismissed the whole issue of uninsured children as a media myth. Referring to Medicaid spending — which fails to reach many children — he declared that “when they say, well, poor children aren’t being covered in America, if that’s what you’re hearing on your TV screens, I’m telling you there’s $35.5 billion worth of reasons not to believe that.”

It’s not just the poor who find their travails belittled and mocked. The sick receive the same treatment.

Before the last election, the actor Michael J. Fox, who suffers from Parkinson’s and has become an advocate for stem cell research that might lead to a cure, made an ad in support of Claire McCaskill, the Democratic candidate for Senator in Missouri. It was an effective ad, in part because Mr. Fox’s affliction was obvious.

And Rush Limbaugh — displaying the same style he exhibited in his recent claim that members of the military who oppose the Iraq war are “phony soldiers” and his later comparison of a wounded vet who criticized him for that remark to a suicide bomber — immediately accused Mr. Fox of faking it. “In this commercial, he is exaggerating the effects of the disease. He is moving all around and shaking. And it’s purely an act.” Heh-heh-heh.

Of course, minimizing and mocking the suffering of others is a natural strategy for political figures who advocate lower taxes on the rich and less help for the poor and unlucky. But I believe that the lack of empathy shown by Mr. Limbaugh, Mr. Kristol, and, yes, Mr. Bush is genuine, not feigned.

Mark Crispin Miller, the author of “The Bush Dyslexicon,” once made a striking observation: all of the famous Bush malapropisms — “I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family,” and so on — have involved occasions when Mr. Bush was trying to sound caring and compassionate.

By contrast, Mr. Bush is articulate and even grammatical when he talks about punishing people; that’s when he’s speaking from the heart. The only animation Mr. Bush showed during the flooding of New Orleans was when he declared “zero tolerance of people breaking the law,” even those breaking into abandoned stores in search of the food and water they weren’t getting from his administration.

What’s happening, presumably, is that modern movement conservatism attracts a certain personality type. If you identify with the downtrodden, even a little, you don’t belong. If you think ridicule is an appropriate response to other peoples’ woes, you fit right in.

And Republican disillusionment with Mr. Bush does not appear to signal any change in that regard. On the contrary, the leading candidates for the Republican nomination have gone out of their way to condemn “socialism,” which is G.O.P.-speak for any attempt to help the less fortunate.

So once again, if you’re poor or you’re sick or you don’t have health insurance, remember this: these people think your problems are funny.


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by Eugene Robinson

October 5, 2007


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WASHINGTON—To say that George W. Bush spends money like a drunken sailor is to insult every gin-soaked patron of every dockside dive in every dubious port of call. If Bush gets his way, the cost of his wars in Iraq and Afghanistan will soon reach a mind-blowing $600 billion. Despite turning a budget surplus into a huge deficit, the man still hasn’t met a tax cut he doesn’t like. And when the Republicans were in charge of Congress, Bush might as well have signed their pork-stuffed spending bills with a one-word rubber stamp: “Whatever.”

So for Bush to get religion on fiscal responsibility at this late date is, well, a joke. And for him to take his stand on a measure that would have provided health insurance to needy children is a punch line that hasn’t left many Republicans laughing.

Bush’s veto Wednesday of a bipartisan bill reauthorizing the State Children’s Health Insurance Program was infuriatingly bad policy. An estimated 9 million children in this country are not covered by health insurance—a circumstance that should shock the conscience of every American. Democrats and Republicans worked together to craft an expansion of an existing state-run program that would have provided insurance coverage for about 4 million children who currently don’t have it.

It was one of those art-of-the-possible compromises designed to advance the ball toward what has become a national goal. Health care is arguably the biggest domestic issue in the presidential contest and, while the candidates and the country may be all over the map in terms of comprehensive solutions, there’s a pretty broad consensus that some way has to be found to ensure that children, at least, are covered.

Make that an extremely broad consensus: According to a Washington Post/ABC News poll released this week, 72 percent of Americans supported the bill Bush vetoed.

The program Congress voted to expand provides health insurance for children who fall into a perilous gap: Their families make too much money to qualify for Medicaid, but don’t make enough to afford health insurance. The cost of covering an additional 4 million children was estimated at around $35 billion over five years. That’s a lot of money. But in the context of a $13-trillion economy—and set against Bush’s history of devil-may-care, “buy the house another round” spending—it’s chump change.

Bush’s stated reasons for vetoing the SCHIP bill left even reliable congressional allies—such as Republican Sens. Orrin Hatch of Utah and Charles Grassley of Iowa, both of whom supported the legislation—sputtering in incomprehension. As for me, I don’t know what to call the president’s rationale but a pack of flat-out lies.

The president said Congress was trying to “federalize health care,” even though the program in question is run by the states. The president said that “I don’t want the federal government making decisions for doctors and customers,” even though the vetoed bill authorizes no such decisions—the program enrolls children in private, I repeat private, health insurance plans.

And here’s my favorite: “This program expands coverage, federal coverage, up to families earning $83,000 a year. That doesn’t sound poor to me.” But the bill he vetoed prohibits states from using the program to aid families who make more than three times the federal poverty limit, or about $60,000 a year for a family of four. Most of the aid would go to families earning substantially less.

Bush’s spurious $83,000 figure comes from a request by New York state to be able to use the program for some families earning four times the poverty limit. That request was denied by the Bush administration last month—and that upper limit is not in the bill Bush vetoed. End of story. If New York or any other state were to ask again to be able to raise the income limits, the administration could simply say no.

Bush seems to be upset that Congress didn’t adopt his pet idea to tackle the health insurance issue through—guess what?—tax breaks. None of the major players on Capitol Hill thought this would work. When the White House persisted, Congress moved ahead on its own.

Hatch said he believed Bush had been given bad advice from his staff. He didn’t take the next step and draw what seems to me the obvious conclusion: Either Bush didn’t understand the bill he vetoed, or he’s just being petulant—with the health of 4 million children at stake.

“I hope the folks at home raise Cain,” Hatch said.

Oh, I think they will.

Eugene Robinson’s e-mail address is eugenerobinson@washpost.com




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The RepubliKlan Party is:

• Unapologetically Racist
• Homophobic
• Anti-Sex Education
• Anti- Immigrant
• Anti- Minimum Wage
• Anti-Abortion Rights
• Anti-Children Health Care
• Anti-Consumer Protection (pro-tort reform)
• Anti-Social Security Insurance
• Anti- Environmental Conservation Laws
• Anti-Progressive Taxation
• Anti-Banning the Death Penalty
• Anti-Feminism
• Anti-Affirmative Action
• Anti-Small Business Administration
• Anti-Substantially Increasing Foreign Aid
• Anti-Government Student College Tuition Grants
• Anti-ANY Gun Control
• Anti- Non-Christian Religion Tolerance



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The RepubliKlan Party is:

• Unapologetically Racist
• Homophobic
• Anti-Sex Education
• Anti- Immigrant
• Anti- Minimum Wage
• Anti-Abortion Rights
• Anti-Children Health Care
• Anti-Consumer Protection (pro-tort reform)
• Anti-Social Security Insurance
• Anti- Environmental Conservation Laws
• Anti-Progressive Taxation
• Anti-Banning the Death Penalty
• Anti-Feminism
• Anti-Affirmative Action
• Anti-Small Business Administration
• Anti-Substantially Increasing Foreign Aid
• Anti-Government Student College Tuition Grants
• Anti-ANY Gun Control
• Anti- Non-Christian Religion Tolerance

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Exactly. and I don't agree with any of these. Fuck Republicans. We need a third party... How about democrats with nuts. That would work for me. Shit lets pay Karl Rove enough money and maybe he'll help us damage the Repubs like they should be. To believe this shit might not pass the Veto and that Iran army was voted as a terrorist group... :smh::smh::smh:
 
If he did, it was for good reason. It asked for healthcare for all children, probably non citizens included, there is still the issue with that. Sometimes it helps to know the finer details. I hate the fact that it did not pass. But at the same time, there are other issues linked to this...

It's my same concern about the new money grab for universal health care. Nobody knows what's in a proposal like that and why are we so quick to accept this train ride to Auschwitz, Germany?

Because it's free?

We don't even buy cars like that, sight unseen. But for this we don't seem to care how it's likely to affect us.

And what if Mr. 700 dollar hair cut, Mr. two Americas, gets into office and his plan for universal health passes where you are required by law to see a doctor HE, meaning the plan chooses for you?

What happens if you chose NOT to go? Will there be a penalty like a loss of coverage? A fine or other civil penalty? Can the state take your kids away as a result and deem you to be unfit?

You don't know and at the same time you don't care to ask the details because others are paying for it and that automatically absolves you of the responsibility of thinking about "what if"... and that's fine with you.

And what if the plan's doctor screws up and removes the wrong kidney? Who do you sue? The government doctor?

The plan that is sponsored by the government soooo, can't sue the government so what happens then? YOU DON'T KNOW and for some reason, you don't even bother to ask. Just take that train to Auschwitz, Germany and the last thing you remember hearing is hillary's disgusting laugh as the doors close.

Now I'm saying we have to think about what we feel is important to us.

We've seen how much democrat politicians really care about us after Katrina. We've read how BILLIONS on top of BILLIONS in direct aid from other countries that seriously wanted to help us as we helped them was turned away by Democrat Gov. Blanco and these pricks in the Bush administration.

Because both groups have plans for us and inasmuch as the methods are different, the result is the same. To move us around like "property" to areas and to places they want us to be in.

Health care is important but we are not in crisis which that idiots Sicko movie tried to make us think we are. Not to get into detail on that but clearly that was a collaboration between clintons' media matters organization, trying to push hillary's universal health care bullshit and the white boy black folks seem to trust, michael moore.

Yall know how to think but you don't seem to want to in this case.

Anybody know if any displaced people from New Orleans got to settle in Chappaqua, NY? You damn right they didn't.

-VG
 
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Truth about Bush's SCHIP veto doesn't match harsh rhetoric
By Grace-Marie Turner

October 14, 2007

Is President Bush a liar who hates children? That's what many of his critics now are asking. Why else, they say, would he refuse to sign a bill providing health insurance to poor kids?

Specifically, the president has vetoed a bill expanding the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), which was designed to provide health coverage to lower-income children. One nationally syndicated columnist went so far as to call Mr. Bush's rationale in vetoing the bill a "pack of flat-out lies."

This kind of rhetoric is wrong and misleads people about the facts of this important issue.

There is no debate over whether to reauthorize SCHIP so it can continue to provide insurance to needy children. The debate is about whether children in middle-income families should be added.

The president is absolutely right in insisting that SCHIP focus on its core mission of needy children. When SCHIP was created in 1997, the target population was children whose parents earned too much for them to qualify for Medicaid but not enough to afford private insurance. The president wants the program to focus on children whose families earn less than 200 percent of the federal poverty level. In today's dollars, that's $41,300 a year.

About two-thirds of the nation's uninsured children already are eligible for either Medicaid or SCHIP but aren't enrolled. Raising the income threshold won't solve this core problem. Congress should require states to focus on the 689,000 children who the Urban Institute says are uninsured and would be eligible for SCHIP if eligibility were limited to the $41,300 income level.

The other big problem is that many states are using SCHIP dollars to insure adults. Fourteen states cover adults through SCHIP, and at least six of them are spending more of their SCHIP dollars on adults than on children.

With this in mind, the Bush administration issued a ruling in August requiring states to demonstrate that they had enrolled 95 percent of eligible needy children before expanding the program.

Yet the bill that Congress passed, and which the president vetoed, nullifies that ruling and effectively refuses to agree that needy kids should get first preference. Instead, the congressional measure would give $60 billion to the states over five years to enroll millions more "children" - although many of them would be adults. Others would be from higher-income families.

New York, for instance, could submit a plan that would add children in families earning up to $83,000 a year to SCHIP. New Jersey could continue to cover kids whose parents make up to $72,000. All the other states would be allowed to cover kids in families with incomes up to $61,000.

Most children in these higher-income families, unsurprisingly, are already covered by private insurance. According to the Congressional Budget Office, 77 percent of children in families earning more than twice the poverty line have private health insurance now.

No one doubts that SCHIP is a vitally important program for needy children, and that our nation needs to do a better job of helping working families afford health insurance. But giving the states incentives to add middle-income kids to their SCHIP rolls would prompt families to replace private insurance with taxpayer-provided coverage.

The goal of SCHIP should be to provide private coverage to uninsured children. If Congress would send the president a bill that does that, he says he would sign it in a minute.



Grace-Marie Turner is the founder and president of the Galen Institute, a free-market-oriented health policy research organization. Her e-mail is gracemarie@galen.org.

Copyright © 2007, The Baltimore Sun
 
If I'm going to pay a shit load of taxes regardless of who is in office, I'd rather see that revenue go towards health care, feeding the homeless, and education-- than to see it go to a war in Iraq.
 
If I'm going to pay a shit load of taxes regardless of who is in office, I'd rather see that revenue go towards health care, feeding the homeless, and education-- than to see it go to a war in Iraq.

If you are going to be a sheep, you have no choice of where the shepherd takes you.
 
How am I a sheep for having a preference of where my tax dollars are spent?

Have a broader understanding of things, in that, you should not assume that you can trust your govenment and how your tax money is spent, to begin with...well, for starters!
 
Have a broader understanding of things, in that, you should not assume that you can trust your govenment and how your tax money is spent, to begin with...well, for starters!

I certainly agree with that. There is no need to send any more money to washington to fund their "good intentions."

There needs to be a top to bottom audit of every funded office so the tax payer is clear where our money is going. Starting with The Education Department.

All these politicians running for office are using our children to extract money from us. It's unconscionable and unfair for them to always come looking in my pockets every damn time they want to show how much my life would be better if I served them.

To illustrate just how silly this SCHIP debate has become, most people don't even realize where much of the funding would come from.

It would come from an increase in cigarette taxes. Big deal right? But those taxes would be paid by the poor folk who disportionately use more tobacco than affluent people. Their problem right? Not exactly.

If this SCHIP expansion had gone forward, that would mean the poor would be paying for health care of families making 60-80k a year.

-VG
 
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