Burning the Quran and spewing hatred

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Leonard Pitts, Jr.


The Miami Herald
By Leonard Pitts Jr.
Thursday, September 9, 2010


Saturday is International Burn a Quran Day.

Perhaps you hadn't heard. The day is the brainchild of one Terry Jones, pastor of the tiny Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville. You will not be surprised to hear that his plan to build a bonfire of Qurans has stirred passions around the world. The New York Times reports Jones has been condemned by Muslim leaders in Egypt, Indonesia and elsewhere and that some U.S. preachers plan to read the Quran in Sunday services as an act of religious solidarity.

Supporters have encouraged Jones to barbecue the Quran with pork, a meat Islam forbids. A young Muslim student at the University of Florida told The Miami Herald of the "uneasiness" she now feels.

And if you're wondering how Jones picked the day for this repugnant act, it's simple. Saturday is the ninth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. In other words, he proposes to commemorate an act of hate with an act of hate.

He will do this, he says, even though he's been denied a permit.

He will do it, he says, in the face of protest from Christians and Muslims alike.

He will do it, he says, even though half his church has deserted him.

He will do it, he says, even though it cannot help but inflame radical Muslims.

He will do it, he says, even though it might place U.S. soldiers overseas at risk.​

And the surprising thing is that none of this is surprising. To the contrary, you find yourself wondering how something like this did not happen long ago. After all, what Jones plans to do feels sadly predictable, pathetically in line with the kind of sentiments that have been oozing out of our computers, televisions and radios for years now.

Indeed, it is difficult to escape a sickening sense that he only reflects the Zeitgeist of a nation that seems to have grown not simply more intolerant, but more accepting of its intolerance, more comfortable with its intolerance, more willing to rationalize its intolerance, than at any time in almost 50 years.

It's hardly news anymore when a conservative pundit or public figure -- and yes, that's almost always the profile -- says something belittling, bellicose, ignorant or hateful about gay people, Hispanics, blacks or undocumented immigrants.

And Muslims? Lord, it's been open season on them for years, the increasingly strident denunciations of Islam culminating in this summer of discontent, of angry protest against proposed mosques, not just in lower Manhattan, but also in such far-flung burgs as Murfreesboro, Tenn., Temecula, Calif., and Sheboygan, Wis.

Jones' plan, then, feels somehow . . . inevitable. Of course he's going to fuel a bonfire with Islam's holy book.

Haven't human beings often resorted to fire to purge themselves of that they fear and misunderstand? The Nazis did it in the 1930s, throwing books into flames as a way of killing the dangerous ideas on their pages. Southern whites did it in the 1950s, throwing rock 'n' roll records into fire as a way of denying the cultural miscegenation the music proved.

There is in the act of burning something primitive and tribalistic, something that appeals to the lizard brain which has no ability or desire to reason, no comprehension of ideals and abstract concepts, that knows only that it lives in fear of a world it cannot understand and will do anything to send the fear away.

The process of becoming a truly human being is the process of conquering that lizard brain. Unfortunately, some people never do.

On Saturday, some of those people will gather round a bonfire to watch pages blacken and curl and turn to smoke. You listen to the hatred spewing from respectable leaders in prominent places, you think of how normal that has become, and one thing suddenly seems starkly clear:

We're burning a whole lot more than books.



ABOUT THE WRITER

Leonard Pitts Jr., winner of the 2004 Pulitzer Prize for commentary, is a columnist for the Miami Herald, 1 Herald Plaza, Miami, Fla. 33132. Readers may write to him via e-mail at lpitts@miamiherald.com. He chats with readers every Wednesday from 1 p.m. to 2 p.m. EDT at Ask Leonard.


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I was wondering if anyone cared about this idiot. I really wished the press wouldn't give him the press he so desires. This is wrong on so many fronts. Granted I may not be a muslim. But not all Muslims are evil. Not all Muslims break the law. He should have his tax status revoked and lets see how he backtracks. Slavery was legal but it wasn't MORAL.

Nice Post Que!

I know we don't agree on much but truly I'm interested in your opinion on this one. What does he think he will accomplish?
 
Arab slave trade

Historians agree millions of Africans were enslaved by Arab slave traders and taken across the Red Sea, Indian Ocean, and Sahara desert between 650 and 1900, compared to 9.4 to 14 million Africans brought to the Americas in the Atlantic slave trade from 15th century to the early 19th century.

Periodic Arab raiding expeditions were sent from Islamic Iberia to ravage the Christian Iberian kingdoms, bringing back booty and slaves. In a raid against Lisbon in 1189, for example, the Almohad caliph Yaqub al-Mansur took 3,000 female and child captives, while his governor of Córdoba, in a subsequent attack upon Silves in 1191, took 3,000 Christian slaves.

Arabs also enslaved substantial numbers of Europeans. According to Robert Davis between 1 million and 1.25 million Europeans were captured by Barbary corsairs, who were vassals of the Ottoman Empire, and sold as slaves between the 16th and 19th centuries. These slaves were captured mainly from seaside villages from Italy, Spain, Portugal and also from more distant places like France or England, the Netherlands, Ireland and even Iceland. The impact of these attacks was devastating – France, England, and Spain each lost thousands of ships, and long stretches of the Spanish and Italian coasts were almost completely abandoned by their inhabitants. Pirate raids discouraged settlement along the coast until the 19th century.

The Ottoman wars in Europe and Tatar raids brought large numbers of European Christian slaves into the Muslim world too.

The 'Oriental' or 'Arab' slave trade is sometimes called the 'Islamic' slave trade, but a religious imperative was not the driver of the slavery, Patrick Manning, a professor of World History, states. However, if a non-Muslim population refuses to adopt Islam or pay the Jizya protection/subjugation tax, that population is considered to be at war with the Muslim "ummah" and therefore it becomes legal under Islamic law to take slaves from that non-Muslim population. Usage of the terms "Islamic trade" or "Islamic world" has been disputed by some Muslims as it treats Africa as outside of Islam, or a negligible portion of the Islamic world. Propagators of Islam in Africa often revealed a cautious attitude towards proselytizing because of its effect in reducing the potential reservoir of slaves.

From a Western point of view, the subject merges with the Oriental slave trade, which followed two main routes in the Middle Ages:
Overland routes across the Maghreb and Mashriq deserts (Trans-Saharan route) Sea routes to the east of Africa through the Red Sea and Indian Ocean (Oriental route)

The Arab slave trade originated before Islam and lasted more than a millennium. It continues today in some places. Arab traders brought Africans across the Indian Ocean from present-day Kenya, Tanzania, Sudan, Eritrea, western Ethiopia and elsewhere in East Africa to present-day Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, Turkey and other parts of the Middle East and South Asia (mainly Pakistan and India). Unlike the trans-Atlantic slave trade to the New World, Arabs supplied African slaves to the Muslim world, which at its peak stretched over three continents from the Atlantic (Morocco, Spain) to India and eastern China.


Not defending the crackpot minister, ol boy seems like he's on some drug or something but his fears are not exactly baseless. Historically Arabs and Muslims have enslaved more people than anyone except maybe white christians. The world religions and the dogmatist are the biggest killers the world has ever known. Maybe it's time to look at ways to make them work for peace or eliminate them altogether.
 
Not defending the crackpot minister, ol boy seems like he's on some drug or something but his fears are not exactly baseless. Historically Arabs and Muslims have enslaved more people than anyone except maybe white christians. The world religions and the dogmatist are the biggest killers the world has ever known. Maybe it's time to look at ways to make them work for peace or eliminate them altogether.

Hail Hitler type talk in here:eek:
 

Florida pastor Terry Jones’s Koran
burning has far-reaching effect​



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PHELAN EBENHACK/ REUTERS - Pastor Terry Jones (left) and his son Luke walk into the Dove
World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Fla., Saturday.


Washington Post
By Kevin Sieff
Saturday, April 2, 2011


The charred Koran that inspired a deadly attack and violent protests across Afghanistan now sits in a plastic Home Depot bag in a storage room here in a run-down church. It has been stashed atop a pile of cardboard boxes, next to a tattered pair of boxing gloves. It still smells of kerosene.

The Rev. Terry Jones had threatened to burn the text in September, in the midst of a controversy over plans to develop an Islamic center near the site of the September 2001 terrorist attacks in Manhattan. He was eventually dissuaded through the pleas of religious leaders and government officials, including a phone call from Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates.


The March 20th Burning

But when Jones announced in January that he was going to “put the Koran on trial,” he said he didn’t hear a single complaint. On March 20, Jones dressed in a judicial robe and ordered a copy of the Koran to be torched in a portable fire pit.

“It’s like people forgot about us,” Jones said Saturday. “But we kept doing what we do.”



The April 1st Revenge

The world was reminded of the 30-person Christian congregation at Dove World Outreach Center <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">on Friday</span>, when a mob incited by the burning of the Koran attacked a U.N. compound in Mazar-e Sharif, <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">killing seven</span> U.N. employees. On <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Saturday</span>, related protests in Kandahar left <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">nine dead and more than 90 injured</span>.

Jones, 59, had considered the possibility that burning the text might elicit a violent response and that innocent people might be killed. In his characteristic drawl — a slow-motion delivery that seems incongruous with the church’s fiery rhetoric — the pastor said the church also debated whether to shred the book, shoot it or dunk it in water instead of burning it.

He has been accused by those who intervened in September of breaking his promise not to burn the Koran — a point he concedes. “If you want to be technical,” he said, “I guess we broke our word.”

He added, “We thought twice about it.”

But in the end, his desire to shed light on what he calls a “dangerous book” won out. The Koran was burned in a spectacle streamed live on the Internet. To reach out to Muslims overseas, Jones included Arabic subtitles.

“For some of them,” he said, “it could be an awakening.”

Although there was initially little talk of the burning in the United States, the death threats poured in, Jones said. Last Monday, he said, the FBI told him over the telephone that a $2.4 million bounty had been placed on his head in Pakistan.

The FBI also asked where Jones had put what remained of the burned Islamic holy book. He told them it was in a storage closet.

In September, Jones drew international attention and a media frenzy. But on Saturday the grounds of the church in this college town, home to the University of Florida, were quiet. A string of signs on the front lawn proclaimed “Islam is of the Devil.” A half-dozen people were in the church with Jones, including his 29-year-old son, Luke, during the interview.

“We’re not big debaters. We’re not very well-educated,” Luke Jones said. “We’re just simple people trying to do the right thing.”

The Gainesville city attorney in September began the process of changing the fire code, to prevent Jones from burning the Koran outdoors. So Jones staged the March spectacle indoors while a fire department official observed.

Far from the Gainesville church, those who remained in contact with Jones after his threats in September are now asking themselves why they remained quiet.

“I’m a bit upset with myself,” said the Rev. Patrick Mahoney, who saw Jones in Washington on March 3. “But he gave no indication that he was planning this.”

During his months out of the spotlight, Jones flew to California to protest the massacre of Coptic Christians in Egypt. He also wrestled with a more personal problem: His anti-Islam platform had been great for publicity but bad for church finances.

The church’s membership had plummeted. So had its income from selling furniture on eBay. The church’s Internet service provider and insurance provider canceled their services.

Jones said the church has received nearly $20,000 in donations since August, along with letters of encouragement from supporters around the world. But that hasn’t been enough to cover operating costs.

The pastor said he is trying to sell the property and move, perhaps to the Tampa area. “I know that Gainesville would be more than happy to get rid of us,” he said.


sieffk@washpost.com


Staff writers Annie Gowen and Michelle Boorstein in Washington contributed to this report.


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Thousands of Afghan protesters, outraged over Florida pastor Terry
Jones' orchestrated Koran burning, stormed the UN compound in
Mazar-i-Sharif, resulting in a massacre that left 20 dead. (April 1)

 
They are just looking for a reason to inflict violence. If the very 1st Koran was burned, mayyyyyybe I'd be mad. You can't fight an ignorant person with more ignorance. Otherwise y'all just end up being 2 ignorant mofos
 
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Not defending the crackpot minister, ol boy seems like he's on some drug or something but his fears are not exactly baseless. Historically Arabs and Muslims have enslaved more people than anyone except maybe white christians. The world religions and the dogmatist are the biggest killers the world has ever known. Maybe it's time to look at ways to make them work for peace or eliminate them altogether.


The preacher is under mind control!

Nittie, why eliminate, they undoubtedly have some extremists that feel the same about the West, what happens with this situation, is very fragile?
 
Freedom of speech.

"high cost of free speech"


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