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BREAKING: MUELLER INDICTS 13 RUSSIANS/1 AMERICAN FOR ELECTION MEDDLING

So what's the counter-logic here?

That Mueller and his team is just making up these charges and that these 13 russians are really innocent?

Hillary and Obama orchestrated this entire thing?

If these 13 Russians etc are truly guilty then they and those they represent were working of their own accord. Meaning candidate Trump and all associated with him had no idea they were doing this? Sort of like paying a $130,000 for a client and they have no idea about it?
 
4 Dimensional said:
I think I might be offended that you even asked me that.

Should I be?
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:lol:

No man,

You're a brilliant mind that works often with those that have misconstrued thoughts aka Alternate-Facts about things. Thus, part of your job is to evaluate where the mental clog is and to lead those individuals to the promise land.

I don't have that gift nor do i have the patience for buffoonery.


Thus my question to you is how does a reasonable person look at all that has been reported and concluded "none of it is true" and further, all of it is made up? Hell, I suppose my question could sound like the beginnings of another Flat-Earth spin off thread.


 
His base already saying this is because they failed on the shooting and this is them saving face. They also say this is more witch hunt BS and has nothing to do with Trump.
 
tical said:
:lol:

No man,

You're a brilliant mind that works often with those that have misconstrued thoughts aka Alternate-Facts about things. Thus, part of your job is to evaluate where the mental clog is and to lead those individuals to the promise land.

I don't have that gift nor do i have the patience for buffoonery.


Thus my question to you is how does a reasonable person look at all that has been reported and concluded "none of it is true" and further, all of it is made up? Hell, I suppose my question could sound like the beginnings of another Flat-Earth spin off thread.
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Oh, good. Just had to be clear :lol:

Part of the problem is the mythologies we create in our head. For example, like I just did and how easily I could have mistook your post. The reasonable side of me said "ask you" instead of immediately jumping to my own conclusions without the facts. Those that create mythologies can many times be blind to truth. Logic to a specific reason vs general logic. And general logic meaning that I could have jumped to conclusions with your post and formed my own reasoning why you asked me that question even though my assumptions were not factual.

Once those mythologies are created in a person's mind, then you have to battle with ego and pride as they defend their mythology. At that point, your logic and their logic are on two totally different paths.

So in my honest opinion, you're not arguing pro-Trump supporters the way you think you may be. You may just be battle egos and pride in them not wanting to be wrong, which is what I see a lot. You know, the constant deflection is another sign of battle egos.

You and I do not have a problem admitting if we are wrong about something. It doesn't bother me to be wrong or set straight because it's a learning experience in the end. But the ones blind to facts that are right in front of them; you're not arguing about the same thing likely. You're arguing facts and they are defending their mythology.
 
This is a "Don't say that we didn't warn you bout this" for the midterm elections !!!

sidebar: Damn...Rosenstein just ran out of that press room faster than Trump did after his speech about the school shootings !!!


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So, when do you guys think they’re going to mention that the Tea Party was co-opted by the same active measures? Maybe that’s why Paul Ryan and Nunes was running around like chickens with their heads cut-off trying to interfere and discredit the Russia probe. Ryan and Nunes are part of the Tea Party wave.
 
kirkout said:
So, when do you guys think they’re going to mention that the Tea Party was co-opted by the same active measures? Maybe that’s why Paul Ryan and Nunes was running around like chickens with their heads cut-off trying to interfere and discredit the Russia probe. Ryan and Nunes are part of the Tea Party wave.
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You're probably right
 
ballscout1 said:
Do the live in the US or are they out of reach ?

Let's see if Putin gives them some kind of diplomatic immunity
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I'm wondering the same thing. If they aren't in the US they probably can't touch them. It might make congress force the WH to enforce sanctions tho.
 
Indictment filed against American Richard Pinedo...28....not sure if that's the correct spelling.... pled guilty...identity fraud.....he's flipped another one !!!

Spectrum said:
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I know you're gonna get a copy of that indictment !!!!!

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tical said:
4D,

I'm genuinely curious if you're a pro-trump support like a few on the board(Gametheroy, whiteboyblueeyes etc). How do you "rationally" spin this?
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These are the stages of Trumpism:

That didn't happen.

And if it did, it wasn't that bad.

And if it was, that's not a big deal.

And if it is, that's not my fault. <------- (We are right here now)

And if it was, I didn't mean it.

And if I did...

You deserved it.
 
4 Dimensional said:
Oh, good. Just had to be clear :lol:

Part of the problem is the mythologies we create in our head. For example, like I just did and how easily I could have mistook your post. The reasonable side of me said "ask you" instead of immediately jumping to my own conclusions without the facts. Those that create mythologies can many times be blind to truth. Logic to a specific reason vs general logic. And general logic meaning that I could have jumped to conclusions with your post and formed my own reasoning why you asked me that question even though my assumptions were not factual.

Once those mythologies are created in a person's mind, then you have to battle with ego and pride as they defend their mythology. At that point, your logic and their logic are on two totally different paths.

So in my honest opinion, you're not arguing pro-Trump supporters the way you think you may be. You may just be battle egos and pride in them not wanting to be wrong, which is what I see a lot. You know, the constant deflection is another sign of battle egos.

You and I do not have a problem admitting if we are wrong about something. It doesn't bother me to be wrong or set straight because it's a learning experience in the end. But the ones blind to facts that are right in front of them; you're not arguing about the same thing likely. You're arguing facts and they are defending their mythology.
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I think our mutual science background helps in being able to admit readily that our thoughts/theory may not be correct. Thus let's test this hypothesis and see what happens. If it's wrong lets see where we went wrong.

So we tend to operate from a mode that this information could not be entirely correct and could led us to the wrong conclusion.

Thus if as a person you don't have some sort of system in place to always "check-you" then it becomes increasingly hard to ID when you could be wrong about something and even harder to admit it. Specifically, because "being wrong" likely is not part of your mode of operation.

Really sad! Because we learn so much from our mistakes that helps us advance our overall progress.
 
zod16 said:
These are the stages of Trumpism:

That didn't happen.

And if it did, it wasn't that bad.

And if it was, that's not a big deal.

And if it is, that's not my fault. <------- (We are right here now)

And if it was, I didn't mean it.

And if I did...

You deserved it.
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The lack of personal responsibility for ones own action is crazy. Just close your eyes and imagine we are in an elementary school with 2nd and 3rd graders.

Now imagine the 3rd grader got caught doing something.

What would they do? You bet, they would blame everyone else including the 2nd grader.

This is literally how this government operates. It never accepts responsibility for ANYTHING everything is someone else's fault.

Worst this seems to be the american way of doing things. Blame someone else..

Integrity and Accountability are dead concepts to most Americans
 
tical said:
I think our mutual science background helps in being able to admit readily that our thoughts/theory may not be correct. Thus let's test this hypothesis and see what happens. If it's wrong lets see where we went wrong.

So we tend to operate from a mode that this information could not be entirely correct and could led us to the wrong conclusion.

Thus if as a person you don't have some sort of system in place to always "check-you" then it becomes increasingly hard to ID when you could be wrong about something and even harder to admit it. Specifically, because "being wrong" likely is not part of your mode of operation.

Really sad! Because we learn so much from our mistakes that helps us advance our overall progress.
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Exactly. So when you apply that to religion, sexuality, racism, politics and so forth you begin to realize how people hate being wrong about something.

This indictment is clear that they have something worth presenting and immediately draws even more doubt that Trump won that election fairly.

Plus we don't have ALL the information, but we do have a lot to make connections.
 
badboyyawdie said:
Ok 13 russians indicted. What does this mean?
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IMO, It means quite a lot. Unless you're one of those people that believe 13 random russians walked into a bar and decided...Hey! Lets meddle with the US election.


Believe it or not some will definitely think that. But hopefully you're of a sounder mind. If so, it clearly points to some organized plan and planner.


Moreover, no-one is going to invest the amount of time, resources and $$$ to meddle in these elections that this would require w/o some worthwhile insurances.

Thus someone in a reasonably high political influential sphere has to be the one making those insurances.


Or maybe i'm making all this up and 13 random russians had nothing better to do.
 
Camille said:
I'm wondering the same thing. If they aren't in the US they probably can't touch them. It might make congress force the WH to enforce sanctions tho.
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And if sanctions are forced expect to see the release of the emails from the RNC hacked by Russia. #delicious
 
4 Dimensional said:
Word. Timing is interesting.

FBI might be trying to save some face for not following up on that tip on Nicholas Cruz.

:idea:

Regardless this indictment was coming.
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The two are related, but I think it's the other way around. The FBI admitted their failings with the shooter to make themselves seem more honest and forthcoming in the Russian investigation.
It would have been far more damaging if that information would have came out at Cruz's trial.
 

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