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Andre Berto, Sergei Dzinziruk, Celestino Caballero in Tripleheader?

http://boxing.fanhouse.com/2010/08/...-dzinziruk-celestino-caballero-triple-header/

FanHouse has learned that plans for an Oct. 2, HBO-televised triple-header are being explored involving WBO junior middleweight (154 pounds) king Sergei Dzinziruk, WBC welterweight (147 pounds) titlist Andre Berto and former WBA super bantamweight (122 pounds) king Celestino Caballero.

BoxingScene.com reported that a clash between Dzinziruk (37-0, 23 knockouts) and former welterweight champion Luis Collazo (30-4-1, 15 KOs ) is being considered for the card.

According to BoxingScene.com, the possible venue for the triple-header is MCU Park, which is located in Brooklyn, N.Y. The stadium is used by the Brooklyn Cyclones, who are the Class A affiliate of Major League Baseball's New York Mets.

Dzinziruk is coming off of May's 10th-round knockout of Daniel Dawson of Australia.

A man who would be rising in weight, Collazo (30-4, 1, 15 KOs) has lost decisions to former world champs Berto, Shane Mosley and Ricky Hatton, with an April, 2002, third-round knockout loss to Edwin Cassiani. Collazo is coming off of June's sixth-round knockout victory over David Gogichaishvili.

Berto (26-0, 20 KOs) is coming off of April's eighth-round stoppage of ex-world champion Carlos Quintana, and Caballero (34-2, 23 KOs) is coming off of April's unanimous decision over featherweight (126 pounds) Daud Yordan.

Former WBA junior welterweight (140 pounds) champion, Andriy Kotelnik (31-4-1, 13 KOs) is being considered as a possible opponent for Berto, meaning that Kotelnik would join Dzinziruk as the other Ukrainian-born fighter on the card.

MCU Park is is situated in close proximity to Brighton Beach, home to one of the largest Eastern European communities in America. The stadium can hold as many as 6500 fans.
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Thank God if this happens.... I need a lot more boxing in my life.

Angulo Fires Back on Turning Down $750K For Martinez

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=30012

BoxingScene.com spoke to Alfredo "El Perro" Angulo about the recent buzz created by his allegedly turning down a fight with WBC middleweight champion Sergio Martinez. Angulo's manager Mike Criscio told BoxingScene's Lem Saterfield that he thought Angulo should have accepted the offer of $750,000 for the fight.

Angulo told BoxingScene - "There has been a lot of talk that I don't want to fight Martinez and that I am ducking him. That is absolutely not the truth. I think a fight between myself and Sergio would be a great fight. He is a great fighter and a champion. I felt that he beat Paul Williams when they foughtt year."

El Perro says that he just wants to be treated fairly. He said he didn't ask for more money than Martinez even though he heard that Martinez was going to make substantially more money for the proposed fight. When I told him that it had been reported that he asked for $1 million dollars Angulo had this to say - "Look they offered me $750,000 for the fight and I told them to give me a little more. I told them I would take the fight for $900,000. It was basically take it or leave it. They didn't negotiate or anything. I heard from my managers one time and that was it."

Angulo went further into the discussions by saying - "Here is the thing people need to know. Martinez not only was going to make a lot more than me, they were also going to give him a percentage of the gate. They were talking about doing this fight at Staples Center (Los Angeles) and they were going to give him a percentage of the gate."

"Let me ask you a question Ryan. What kind of people are going to come to a fight in Staples Center?" I told him that it would be mostly Mexican people. He responded by saying, "Exactly. I am bringing the fans and he is getting a percentage of the gate but not me? I was at the Paul Williams-Kermit Cintron fight here in the LA area and there was way less than 1000 people there. Williams versus Martinez in Atlantic City wasn't exactly full either. They really wanted to make a rematch between Williams and Martinez and when that didn't happen they asked me to fill in. I would love the fight but treat me fair."

I told Angulo that other websites have reported that when he fought Joachim Alcine as the co-feature to the Tim Bradley versus Luis Abregu fight there were only about 2000 fans in attendance. The Mexican replied:

"That was Bradley's fight. I wasn't even on the billboard. He was the main event. My name was hardly on any of the fight cards and the few posters that my name was on it was written very small. That arena in Palm Springs barely holds over 2000 people anyway. This would be a fight where I am the main event. Lets see how many fans come out."

The arena at Palm Springs holds about 2200 people and even though there were a few empty seats the box office did turn away some people because the fight was sold out. (I attended the fight and heard from some fans after the fight that they were unable to purchase tickets)

Angulo ended the conversation by saying that if he was presented with a fair offer that he would be more than happy to fight Martinez.

"I think a fight between Martinez and myself is a big fight. Not just a regular fight but a very big fight that the fans would want to see. All they have to do is make a fair offer and we can do this."
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I get Angulo's position, but he has to know Martinez is the bigger name in boxing. Either way, I won't say he is ducking Martinez cause his point is valid but he should not make this fight cause he isn't ready for it yet. Then again will he ever be ready for it? probably not, but right now the ass whooping might be completely embarrassing. If he could get a few more fights under his belt and work on some things in the gym... he might be able to put in a good effort. Right now I say take out some tough guys and then next year come to the table with more to bargain with.

By the way, why isn't Williams stepping up for the rematch? It seems like he's trying to make adjustments to his style in reaction to their last fight, but at some point he needs to bite he bullet again and clear up the doubts in people's minds...
 
Andre Berto, Sergei Dzinziruk, Celestino Caballero in Tripleheader?

http://boxing.fanhouse.com/2010/08/...-dzinziruk-celestino-caballero-triple-header/

FanHouse has learned that plans for an Oct. 2, HBO-televised triple-header are being explored involving WBO junior middleweight (154 pounds) king Sergei Dzinziruk, WBC welterweight (147 pounds) titlist Andre Berto and former WBA super bantamweight (122 pounds) king Celestino Caballero.

BoxingScene.com reported that a clash between Dzinziruk (37-0, 23 knockouts) and former welterweight champion Luis Collazo (30-4-1, 15 KOs ) is being considered for the card.

According to BoxingScene.com, the possible venue for the triple-header is MCU Park, which is located in Brooklyn, N.Y. The stadium is used by the Brooklyn Cyclones, who are the Class A affiliate of Major League Baseball's New York Mets.

Dzinziruk is coming off of May's 10th-round knockout of Daniel Dawson of Australia.

A man who would be rising in weight, Collazo (30-4, 1, 15 KOs) has lost decisions to former world champs Berto, Shane Mosley and Ricky Hatton, with an April, 2002, third-round knockout loss to Edwin Cassiani. Collazo is coming off of June's sixth-round knockout victory over David Gogichaishvili.

Berto (26-0, 20 KOs) is coming off of April's eighth-round stoppage of ex-world champion Carlos Quintana, and Caballero (34-2, 23 KOs) is coming off of April's unanimous decision over featherweight (126 pounds) Daud Yordan.

Former WBA junior welterweight (140 pounds) champion, Andriy Kotelnik (31-4-1, 13 KOs) is being considered as a possible opponent for Berto, meaning that Kotelnik would join Dzinziruk as the other Ukrainian-born fighter on the card.

MCU Park is is situated in close proximity to Brighton Beach, home to one of the largest Eastern European communities in America. The stadium can hold as many as 6500 fans.
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Thank God if this happens.... I need a lot more boxing in my life.

Angulo Fires Back on Turning Down $750K For Martinez

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=30012

BoxingScene.com spoke to Alfredo "El Perro" Angulo about the recent buzz created by his allegedly turning down a fight with WBC middleweight champion Sergio Martinez. Angulo's manager Mike Criscio told BoxingScene's Lem Saterfield that he thought Angulo should have accepted the offer of $750,000 for the fight.

Angulo told BoxingScene - "There has been a lot of talk that I don't want to fight Martinez and that I am ducking him. That is absolutely not the truth. I think a fight between myself and Sergio would be a great fight. He is a great fighter and a champion. I felt that he beat Paul Williams when they foughtt year."

El Perro says that he just wants to be treated fairly. He said he didn't ask for more money than Martinez even though he heard that Martinez was going to make substantially more money for the proposed fight. When I told him that it had been reported that he asked for $1 million dollars Angulo had this to say - "Look they offered me $750,000 for the fight and I told them to give me a little more. I told them I would take the fight for $900,000. It was basically take it or leave it. They didn't negotiate or anything. I heard from my managers one time and that was it."

Angulo went further into the discussions by saying - "Here is the thing people need to know. Martinez not only was going to make a lot more than me, they were also going to give him a percentage of the gate. They were talking about doing this fight at Staples Center (Los Angeles) and they were going to give him a percentage of the gate."

"Let me ask you a question Ryan. What kind of people are going to come to a fight in Staples Center?" I told him that it would be mostly Mexican people. He responded by saying, "Exactly. I am bringing the fans and he is getting a percentage of the gate but not me? I was at the Paul Williams-Kermit Cintron fight here in the LA area and there was way less than 1000 people there. Williams versus Martinez in Atlantic City wasn't exactly full either. They really wanted to make a rematch between Williams and Martinez and when that didn't happen they asked me to fill in. I would love the fight but treat me fair."

I told Angulo that other websites have reported that when he fought Joachim Alcine as the co-feature to the Tim Bradley versus Luis Abregu fight there were only about 2000 fans in attendance. The Mexican replied:

"That was Bradley's fight. I wasn't even on the billboard. He was the main event. My name was hardly on any of the fight cards and the few posters that my name was on it was written very small. That arena in Palm Springs barely holds over 2000 people anyway. This would be a fight where I am the main event. Lets see how many fans come out."

The arena at Palm Springs holds about 2200 people and even though there were a few empty seats the box office did turn away some people because the fight was sold out. (I attended the fight and heard from some fans after the fight that they were unable to purchase tickets)

Angulo ended the conversation by saying that if he was presented with a fair offer that he would be more than happy to fight Martinez.

"I think a fight between Martinez and myself is a big fight. Not just a regular fight but a very big fight that the fans would want to see. All they have to do is make a fair offer and we can do this."
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I get Angulo's position, but he has to know Martinez is the bigger name in boxing. Either way, I won't say he is ducking Martinez cause his point is valid but he should not make this fight cause he isn't ready for it yet. Then again will he ever be ready for it? probably not, but right now the ass whooping might be completely embarrassing. If he could get a few more fights under his belt and work on some things in the gym... he might be able to put in a good effort. Right now I say take out some tough guys and then next year come to the table with more to bargain with.

By the way, why isn't Williams stepping up for the rematch? It seems like he's trying to make adjustments to his style in reaction to their last fight, but at some point he needs to bite he bullet again and clear up the doubts in people's minds...

Williams should have taken that rematch immediately, for a guy who says people are always ducking him it seems he's the one doing the ducking now. I think it was a draw because Sergio gassed out at the end but Williams didn't look the better fighter in the ring so I see why so many people are saying he lost, dude should have manned up and fought Martinez 4 or 5 months later. Instead he has everyone saying now that he ran down to welter to pursue "a big money fight" that he's never gonna get just so he could stay away from Martinez, who's just getting better btw. While Sergio's name is being mentioned as an opponent for practically everyone from Floyd to Felix Sturm.

And I agree that I hear Angulo's position, at the Staples center you'd basically have a big Mexican crowd and he'd be the reason, but he's not a big name and couldn't outbox Cintron. Martinez would outbox him thoroughly at this point, but I hear his position and he's not totally wilin' with his train of thought, unlike Shane Mosley:lol:

Oh and Kotelnik and Berto could be a pretty good fight.
 
Martinez will cause problems for Angulo....I don't even think he is ready for Sergio....
 
Williams should have taken that rematch immediately, for a guy who says people are always ducking him it seems he's the one doing the ducking now. I think it was a draw because Sergio gassed out at the end but Williams didn't look the better fighter in the ring so I see why so many people are saying he lost, dude should have manned up and fought Martinez 4 or 5 months later. Instead he has everyone saying now that he ran down to welter to pursue "a big money fight" that he's never gonna get just so he could stay away from Martinez, who's just getting better btw. While Sergio's name is being mentioned as an opponent for practically everyone from Floyd to Felix Sturm.

I had Williams winning that fight but I agree with everything else in this.
Oh, and the idea of Martinez getting better. I think he's just getting to demonstrate his skill on a bigger stage.

And I agree that I hear Angulo's position, at the Staples center you'd basically have a big Mexican crowd and he'd be the reason, but he's not a big name and couldn't outbox Cintron. Martinez would outbox him thoroughly at this point, but I hear his position and he's not totally wilin' with his train of thought, unlike Shane Mosley:lol:

Oh and Kotelnik and Berto could be a pretty good fight.


Yep.
Is this the same Kotelnik I just watched fight? If it is, how the fuck did he get a fight with Berto? I need you guys to keep me up while I'm on parttime basis with the board?
 
Williams should have taken that rematch immediately, for a guy who says people are always ducking him it seems he's the one doing the ducking now. I think it was a draw because Sergio gassed out at the end but Williams didn't look the better fighter in the ring so I see why so many people are saying he lost, dude should have manned up and fought Martinez 4 or 5 months later. Instead he has everyone saying now that he ran down to welter to pursue "a big money fight" that he's never gonna get just so he could stay away from Martinez, who's just getting better btw. While Sergio's name is being mentioned as an opponent for practically everyone from Floyd to Felix Sturm.

And I agree that I hear Angulo's position, at the Staples center you'd basically have a big Mexican crowd and he'd be the reason, but he's not a big name and couldn't outbox Cintron. Martinez would outbox him thoroughly at this point, but I hear his position and he's not totally wilin' with his train of thought, unlike Shane Mosley:lol:

Oh and Kotelnik and Berto could be a pretty good fight.

I have noticed that avoiding rematches is part of this new approach to boxing. I might be blanking out but it seems like it has been years since a close fight has been rematch-ed. I can only think of clear robberies being rematch-ed, but motherfuckers avoid rematching tough fights like its the plague.
 
I had Williams winning that fight but I agree with everything else in this.
Oh, and the idea of Martinez getting better. I think he's just getting to demonstrate his skill on a bigger stage.




Yep.
Is this the same Kotelnik I just watched fight? If it is, how the fuck did he get a fight with Berto? I need you guys to keep me up while I'm on parttime basis with the board?

I have no clue how Kotelnik got that... Maybe its a gift for being fucked out that win.

I like what Berto is doing though with his fight selection. He seems to pick tough guys with different styles and it is going to make him a better fighter. I predict that Berto will be the welterweight king. He may not stay undefeated taking on tough guys, but in a couple years when Floyd and Pac are gone... Alexander, Bradley, Khan, Saul Alvarez and whoever else will have a hard time fucking with Berto.

By the way, I'm glad Collazo is still in the mix. Dude isn't great but he's talented.
 
I have no clue how Kotelnik got that... Maybe its a gift for being fucked out that win.

I like what Berto is doing though with his fight selection. He seems to pick tough guys with different styles and it is going to make him a better fighter. I predict that Berto will be the welterweight king. He may not stay undefeated taking on tough guys, but in a couple years when Floyd and Pac are gone... Alexander, Bradley, Khan, Saul Alvarez and whoever else will have a hard time fucking with Berto.

By the way, I'm glad Collazo is still in the mix. Dude isn't great but he's talented.



If this is the same guy, I don't give Berto any points for this fight. First, he's a junior welterweight and not even a top one. He's good and tough but I'd much rather see him fight Alexander again (I thought Alexander won) or another top guy at 140.
But it doesn't give Berto a serviceable opponent with a skillset that will help in his development without threatening him.
 
I have noticed that avoiding rematches is part of this new approach to boxing. I might be blanking out but it seems like it has been years since a close fight has been rematch-ed. I can only think of clear robberies being rematch-ed, but motherfuckers avoid rematching tough fights like its the plague.

Hell yeah. How did Kotelnik get a fight with Berto and Collazo is still waiting? Berto-Collazo was a great fight and I thought the rematch would have happened by now. Lesser light fighters need highly competitive, much talked about fights if they want to get those big purses instead of begging GB or Top Rank for a payday. Gatti resurrected his career and gave himself and Mickey Ward huge ppv paydays and HoF inductions with their fights. Promoters and fighters are too careful in their matchmaking and it's hurting boxing and the boxers.
 
If this is the same guy, I don't give Berto any points for this fight. First, he's a junior welterweight and not even a top one. He's good and tough but I'd much rather see him fight Alexander again (I thought Alexander won) or another top guy at 140.
But it doesn't give Berto a serviceable opponent with a skillset that will help in his development without threatening him.

Lighter weight or not Kotelnik is a good technical fighter and I think Berto needs more fights with guys like this so that later on he is caught up looking like Alexander did when he has to fight good technical welterweight.

I agree that Kotelnik should get the rematch, but Alexander don't want it and by he way, Alexander looked like an idiot calling out Bradley after the gift he was giving.

But what are going to do if your Kotelnik... fight other jr. welters hoping to get back in the good graces to get a rematch and correct a mistake? Or say fuck it get a chance at Berto for a bigger payday on a bigger stage?
 
Hell yeah. How did Kotelnik get a fight with Berto and Collazo is still waiting? Berto-Collazo was a great fight and I thought the rematch would have happened by now. Lesser light fighters need highly competitive, much talked about fights if they want to get those big purses instead of begging GB or Top Rank for a payday. Gatti resurrected his career and gave himself and Mickey Ward huge ppv paydays and HoF inductions with their fights. Promoters and fighters are too careful in their matchmaking and it's hurting boxing and the boxers.

The lack of Berto v Collazo 2 is a crime, but Berto was shook cause that fight was too close for his comfort.. that's just how this generation get's down:smh:. Then Collazo moved up.
 
Lighter weight or not Kotelnik is a good technical fighter and I think Berto needs more fights with guys like this so that later on he is caught up looking like Alexander did when he has to fight good technical welterweight.

I agree that Kotelnik should get the rematch, but Alexander don't want it and by he way, Alexander looked like an idiot calling out Bradley after the gift he was giving.

But what are going to do if your Kotelnik... fight other jr. welters hoping to get back in the good graces to get a rematch and correct a mistake? Or say fuck it get a chance at Berto for a bigger payday on a bigger stage?

You know I'll never bang on a fighter for taking a bigger payday so I hold Kotelnik blameless. I do think Berto could have found a welterweight to fight since he clearly wasn't looking at Kotelnik's marquee value.
 
I didn't see Williams lose or win that fight. He didn't seem like the better fighter in the ring and got lucky that Martinez gassed out. Anyway, it's Martinez that people want to see fight now not Williams, which says alot about who the people had winning that fight. I've watched it twice and had it a draw both times. I wasn't mad though, it was a close fight and could have gone either way. Maybe him and Angulo can fight since neither wants to fight with Sergio.

Kotelnik is a good fighter, Alexander proved nothing in that fight other than he has a pretty good jab, Bradley would put it on that dude. I think Berto/Kotelnik is a good match since Berto isn't a big welter and was talking about campaigning back down at 140 a few months ago. I like Berto but he needs to reduce some of that muscle, it makes him to tight in the ring and fucks with his cardio. That Collazo rematch is something he didn't want either. This no rematch shit in boxing needs to stop. Good point about Gatti and Ward btw, a great series of fights between 2 guys can definitely be a benefit to both careers.
 
You know I'll never bang on a fighter for taking a bigger payday so I hold Kotelnik blameless. I do think Berto could have found a welterweight to fight since he clearly wasn't looking at Kotelnik's marquee value.

You might have a point, but fuck it. Berto is also in a weird position. Now, he didn't take the Collazo rematch cause he was didn't want to chance it plus he a fight with Shane.... The top welters haven't got at him, Shane is acting stupid, everybody else has scattered and he can't fight a bum or complete unknown. So I'm given him a pass cause dude is at least a good fighter.
 
I didn't see Williams lose or win that fight. He didn't seem like the better fighter in the ring and got lucky that Martinez gassed out. Anyway, it's Martinez that people want to see fight now not Williams, which says alot about who the people had winning that fight. I've watched it twice and had it a draw both times. I wasn't mad though, it was a close fight and could have gone either way. Maybe him and Angulo can fight since neither wants to fight with Sergio.

Angulo/Williams?:puke: Angulo's a good fighter but I've already seen Williams take out Margarito and Angulo's not as good now as Margarito was then.
Martinez clearly has better management than Paul Williams. Martinez took a close loss and turned it into a middleweight title match and won. Williams' has stalled. I don't think it had anything to do with people's perceptions of who won they're fight but Sergio's good management and Kelly Pavlik really thinking he could beat Martinez.


Kotelnik is a good fighter, Alexander proved nothing in that fight other than he has a pretty good jab, Bradley would put it on that dude. I think Berto/Kotelnik is a good match since Berto isn't a big welter and was talking about campaigning back down at 140 a few months ago. I like Berto but he needs to reduce some of that muscle, it makes him to tight in the ring and fucks with his cardio. That Collazo rematch is something he didn't want either. This no rematch shit in boxing needs to stop. Good point about Gatti and Berto btw, a great series of fights between 2 guys can definitely be a benefit to both careers.

It doesn't even make business sense. You have a fight that people want to see and if you win both, you're profile jumps tenfold and if you lose another good one, you get a third fight for more money.
Berto is very muscular and packs relatively little power. If he did drop some muscle mass, he might lose a (very) little pop but he might be able to get off more shots.

How is it we, laymen, some of us sneaking on the computer while their wives dry their hair, can see some really simple shit but the professionals can't?
 
I have noticed that avoiding rematches is part of this new approach to boxing. I might be blanking out but it seems like it has been years since a close fight has been rematch-ed. I can only think of clear robberies being rematch-ed, but motherfuckers avoid rematching tough fights like its the plague.

yeah man...seriously.... Boxing is dying because of this shit :smh:
 
yeah man...seriously.... Boxing is dying because of this shit :smh:

I don't know if it's dying but it's very, very top heavy and there will be a serious problem when Manny and Floyd retire since they have no one close to being ready to take their spots as ppv draws.
 
I didn't see Williams lose or win that fight. He didn't seem like the better fighter in the ring and got lucky that Martinez gassed out. Anyway, it's Martinez that people want to see fight now not Williams, which says alot about who the people had winning that fight. I've watched it twice and had it a draw both times. I wasn't mad though, it was a close fight and could have gone either way. Maybe him and Angulo can fight since neither wants to fight with Sergio.

Kotelnik is a good fighter, Alexander proved nothing in that fight other than he has a pretty good jab, Bradley would put it on that dude. I think Berto/Kotelnik is a good match since Berto isn't a big welter and was talking about campaigning back down at 140 a few months ago. I like Berto but he needs to reduce some of that muscle, it makes him to tight in the ring and fucks with his cardio. That Collazo rematch is something he didn't want either. This no rematch shit in boxing needs to stop. Good point about Gatti and Ward btw, a great series of fights between 2 guys can definitely be a benefit to both careers.

P Williams needs to fight somebody because his stock is dropping like a motherfucker. I don't know if that is a good fight for Angulo, but Angulo seems like the type to take on anyone.
 
Angulo/Williams?:puke: Angulo's a good fighter but I've already seen Williams take out Margarito and Angulo's not as good now as Margarito was then.
Martinez clearly has better management than Paul Williams. Martinez took a close loss and turned it into a middleweight title match and won. Williams' has stalled. I don't think it had anything to do with people's perceptions of who won they're fight but Sergio's good management and Kelly Pavlik really thinking he could beat Martinez.

I bet you Martinez team took that fight for very little money while P Will was probably trying to break the bank.
 
Angulo/Williams?:puke: Angulo's a good fighter but I've already seen Williams take out Margarito and Angulo's not as good now as Margarito was then.
Martinez clearly has better management than Paul Williams. Martinez took a close loss and turned it into a middleweight title match and won. Williams' has stalled. I don't think it had anything to do with people's perceptions of who won they're fight but Sergio's good management and Kelly Pavlik really thinking he could beat Martinez.




It doesn't even make business sense. You have a fight that people want to see and if you win both, you're profile jumps tenfold and if you lose another good one, you get a third fight for more money.
Berto is very muscular and packs relatively little power. If he did drop some muscle mass, he might lose a (very) little pop but he might be able to get off more shots.

How is it we, laymen, some of us sneaking on the computer while their wives dry their hair, can see some really simple shit but the professionals can't?

:lol::lol:Dave I was actually being fecetious with the Angulo/Williams fight, but seriously some of these niccas need to stop bitching about money and matchups and just fucking fight. I seriously think people would rather watch Martinez fight than Williams, especially when I talk to these "fans". They don't see anything exciting about Williams, similar to Chad Dawson in a way.
 
I don't know if it's dying but it's very, very top heavy and there will be a serious problem when Manny and Floyd retire since they have no one close to being ready to take their spots as ppv draws.

not overall... I probably worded that incorrectly...it should have said dying for me... But I find myself actually more excited about going back and watching old fights than the shit that is going on now because the best fights are being made right now..
 
not overall... I probably worded that incorrectly...it should have said dying for me... But I find myself actually more excited about going back and watching old fights than the shit that is going on now because the best fights are being made right now..

Word... A Berto v Collazo and Williams v Martinez could have been a double header PPV, but we get dumb shit on PPV instead like Marquez v Diaz, Pac v Margarito and Mosley v Mora.
 
:lol::lol:Dave I was actually being fecetious with the Angulo/Williams fight, but seriously some of these niccas need to stop bitching about money and matchups and just fucking fight. I seriously think people would rather watch Martinez fight than Williams, especially when I talk to these "fans". They don't see anything exciting about Williams, similar to Chad Dawson in a way.


Well give me some smilies or something, you drunk bastard:angry::D. You know sarcasm doesn't always translate well on here.

How can someone not see something exciting about Paul Williams? He throws punches and takes punches. His defensive lapses actually make him exciting to me because you know he's going to get hit. I think he actually has a more dramatic style than Martinez who's not much more than a bigger Floyd Mayweather is some respects(that's not a problem for me but some folks still see Money as "boring").
 
Well give me some smilies or something, you drunk bastard:angry::D. You know sarcasm doesn't always translate well on here.

How can someone not see something exciting about Paul Williams? He throws punches and takes punches. His defensive lapses actually make him exciting to me because you know he's going to get hit. I think he actually has a more dramatic style than Martinez who's not much more than a bigger Floyd Mayweather is some respects(that's not a problem for me but some folks still see Money as "boring").

Williams needs to fight more. He is in his prime right now and I think he should at least be fighting three times a year or at least a second time this year after that bullshit with Cintron. He's not even getting PPV money and even with his exciting he isn't getting people on board. So he is still in the proving himself stage and soon he'll be in his 30s.

I still don't understand how the fight with Palik didn't happen, the rematch with Martinez didn't happen but he fought Cintron.
 
Well give me some smilies or something, you drunk bastard:angry::D. You know sarcasm doesn't always translate well on here.

How can someone not see something exciting about Paul Williams? He throws punches and takes punches. His defensive lapses actually make him exciting to me because you know he's going to get hit. I think he actually has a more dramatic style than Martinez who's not much more than a bigger Floyd Mayweather is some respects(that's not a problem for me but some folks still see Money as "boring").

:lol::lol::lol:Martinez is much more like a Manny Pacquiao than a Floyd. I wasn't really referring to Paul's boxing style, more HIM. He's just really a plain type of dude, no real personality, kinda like Dawson. I agree he's fun to watch and if he had one punch power he'd be even more fun to watch, but we can't have everything.:lol:
Idk I just like watching Martinez fight more than Williams.
 
Williams needs to fight more. He is in his prime right now and I think he should at least be fighting three times a year or at least a second time this year after that bullshit with Cintron. He's not even getting PPV money and even with his exciting he isn't getting people on board. So he is still in the proving himself stage and soon he'll be in his 30s.

I still don't understand how the fight with Palik didn't happen, the rematch with Martinez didn't happen but he fought Cintron.

Word, Cintron, who already LOST to Martinez and didn't want a rematch after THAT bullshit.:angry:
 
That Berto v Collazo and Williams v Martinez possibility would be a great topping to a PPV recipe. Then add a couple of matches between top contenders in those divisions and you would have a great card...

Hell, what if you added Bradley vs. Alexander to that also? That would be beyond awesome....







...but it ain't gonna happen cause promoters/fighters won't work for it :smh:
 
That Berto v Collazo and Williams v Martinez possibility would be a great topping to a PPV recipe. Then add a couple of matches between top contenders in those divisions and you would have a great card...

Hell, what if you added Bradley vs. Alexander to that also? That would be beyond awesome....







...but it ain't gonna happen cause promoters/fighters won't work for it :smh:

And individual fighters all want the lion's share of the pie, it's just too expensive to put cards like that together. We need Don King back, that's one thing Floyd could do for boxing - bring back Don King.:lol:
 
And individual fighters all want the lion's share of the pie, it's just too expensive to put cards like that together. We need Don King back, that's one thing Floyd could do for boxing - bring back Don King.:lol:

I hate to say it but Don King made shit happen.. mainly because it all lined his pocket.:lol::lol::lol::hmm:
 
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