I still think Airbus will overall win this in the long run
Boeing has won (for now) and why A380 never really took off
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I still think Airbus will overall win this in the long run
It’s too fucking big. It’s like driving a rolls Royce as a public bus. Yesterday, I flew to Cancun in an a330 and that thing was smooth and quiet as hell. Airlines are going for smaller and more efficient aircrafts now.
Airbus will cancel the A380 and they should concentrate on their spectacular A350. That plane is bawse as fuck.
Airbus will cancel the A380 and they should concentrate on their spectacular A350. That plane is bawse as fuck.
They won't. Going cheap is not the way to go in aerospace. Our stock is well over 300/share and I am sitting on 200.
Actually the 380 is needed but for the airlines with the dedicated long haul non stop flights like JAL, Ethiad, Emirates,Quantas and South African airways ..
They should only be produced in limited numbers tho because like you said it’s basically a luxury for the airline to have sorta like when Air France and British airways had the concord. IMO they should have never retired keep 2-3 in the fleet where it’s strictly for the business class and wealthy to jet back and forth from UK to NY in 3 hours flat
Also Airbus saying China is interest in multiple 380 orders
There was a news report yesterday that airbus will stop the A380 if Emirates cancels anymore orders. It’s doomed.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/15/air...a380-if-theres-no-new-deal-with-emirates.html
A350 can do all those long haul routes more efficiently. It has the same cruise range.
Efficiency is the most important factor in modern avaiation. These are not planes for flossing, they are nothing but commercial buses that are expensive to run.
Boeing won before the race even started.
I can see an airline have a few of these but not a fleet because it isn't good for anything beyond international travel.
I can see an airline have a few of these but not a fleet because it isn't good for anything beyond international travel.
Personally I like the A340-600 I think once Airbus had that rolling the A380’s days were numbered but damn the A380 is a big mofo and a sight to see when taking off.. shit quiet as fuck
Used to fly that 380 to France 7 Times a year. Loved that plane. Ride smooth as hell.
No doubt also the thing the Dreamliner is that airports don’t have to modify their gates to accommodate it and that range on that mofo is crazy
But yeah that A350 is basically the Dreamliner’s comp
This.
Damn, which American airline flies A380s for an 8 hour flight ? Unless you’re in the west coast.
When I was in Atlanta a few months ago, I talked to a Delta pilot
who was on the way to Brazil. I asked him, jokingly, if he was
flying an A380. He told me that US airlines had stayed away
from the plane because it needed 600 passengers on every flight
to justify the cost, and the business was not there
who was on the way to Brazil. I asked him, jokingly, if he was
flying an A380. He told me that US airlines had stayed away
from the plane because it needed 600 passengers on every flight
to justify the cost, and the business was not there
Flown the 380 round trip on Emirates and an Airbus 330 on Swiss Air. Wife also did 380 on Etihad. All were super smooth as hell. As far as economics the non subsidized airlines can't fuck with Etihad and Emirates when it comes to 330's and 380's who are partially government funded. Delta killed the Dubai route from Atlanta. They also complained that it was unfair completion
But the UAE was like "fuck your couch", we running these brand new Airbusses all day every day. That Emirates shit was hot, but my wife said Etihads plane was nicer. Dizamn...
But the UAE was like "fuck your couch", we running these brand new Airbusses all day every day. That Emirates shit was hot, but my wife said Etihads plane was nicer. Dizamn...
Lol. You should sit at LHR and see how these middle eastern airlines are flossing A380s like it’s a rap video.
I was in lhr and saw nothing but etihad, Emirates , royal jordanian coming in every 10 minutes with a 380s , while the western airlines were pushing old 777s and shit.
Yeah, the subsidized national carriers were the only ones that were ever going to jump on the A380 bandwagon. While a GREAT aircraft/win for passengers(across all classes including Y), the economics just don’t work for non subsidized airlines(domestic and national).
Ethiad and Qatar are killing it right now, Emirates revamped and business and first class offerings look good. Not nearly as gaudy and will age much better. Singapore airlines, who already has incredible product, just rolled out a first class suite that will everyone(probably a tie with ethiad) for the time being.
No secret around here that I’m a Boeing man, the A350 is a magnificent aircraft.
Right now for me: 777-300>A350>787
And for the aircraft heads/plane spotters: L1011>MD-11(DC-10)
Why did L1011 die an early death while the DC10 flourished for a while thoughYeah, the subsidized national carriers were the only ones that were ever going to jump on the A380 bandwagon. While a GREAT aircraft/win for passengers(across all classes including Y), the economics just don’t work for non subsidized airlines(domestic and national).
Ethiad and Qatar are killing it right now, Emirates revamped and business and first class offerings look good. Not nearly as gaudy and will age much better. Singapore airlines, who already has incredible product, just rolled out a first class suite that will everyone(probably a tie with ethiad) for the time being.
No secret around here that I’m a Boeing man, the A350 is a magnificent aircraft.
Right now for me: 777-300>A350>787
And for the aircraft heads/plane spotters: L1011>MD-11(DC-10)
tri star was a much better plane... but like all things- sometimes its better to be lucky
The bigger jets are more stable, even in bad weather. Have you ever flown in a smal regional jet or even a private jet? That shit is scary in every way. A big body vessel with a powerful thrust cuts through stuff like butter.
Beat me to it. Lol
Yeah most of my flying is on Regional Jets because I live in a small City. Man you have me wanting to try this Dreamliner and a380 now
Nah you don’t even have to go that far, I just flew to Cancun yesterday in Delta’s new a330 and I’m blown away at the smoothness and quietness of the beast. The take off was earily quiet, the cruising manners of the plane was so stable and the landing was so precise, I can’t wait for the flight back this weekend. I love airplanes like I do cars, so I pay attention to stupid shit.lol
Delta used to fly those sorry Boeing 717s on this route and they were scary.
Operating costs for the A380 are not the issue - both Emirates and Lufthansa have gone on the record stating that the costs of the A380 are lower than comparable aircraft such as the 747-8, based on their own experience.
The problem for the A380 is that its size and passenger capacity means that it can only ever be viable on certain routes. That means in turn that you cannot deploy an A380 to cover a breakdown or delay on other routes, in the way that you can with a smaller aircraft.
This is a major issue given that most long-haul airlines now operate very lean fleets: there is already limited ability to cover flight delays or cancellations. It's a pity - the A380 is a great aircraft to fly in.
I did two back to back longhauls last month - one in a an A380, one in a 787, and the A380 was clearly the better of the two in terms of space, vibration and noise. Not that the 787 is terrible, I hasten to add. But the logic of lesser deployability is hard to escape.
If the A380 line closes then:
1. There should be a big write off of intangible assets (the unamortised portion of the design) and fixed assets (the production line and tooling)
2. The line will probably not reopen unless there is a major new order and Airbus and A.N. Other(s) re-engine and modernise it. Raising the dead is neither easy nor cheap.
3. Unlike the 747 there is no freighter version to keep the line ticking over.
4.The biggest problem is that a new A380's biggest competitor is a used A380 Of course Airbus should have staggered the management changes.
What happens if the new CEO and COO don't like the new head of sales? Despite Herr Enders best efforts, Airbus does not behave like a normal commercial company
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Yeah, the subsidized national carriers were the only ones that were ever going to jump on the A380 bandwagon. While a GREAT aircraft/win for passengers(across all classes including Y), the economics just don’t work for non subsidized airlines(domestic and national).
Ethiad and Qatar are killing it right now, Emirates revamped and business and first class offerings look good. Not nearly as gaudy and will age much better. Singapore airlines, who already has incredible product, just rolled out a first class suite that will everyone(probably a tie with ethiad) for the time being.
No secret around here that I’m a Boeing man, the A350 is a magnificent aircraft.
Right now for me: 777-300>A350>787
And for the aircraft heads/plane spotters: L1011>MD-11(DC-10)
The A380 programme crucially depended on the survival of the hub and spoke pattern of airline flights. From the very outset, there were plenty of voices in the industry (and within Airbus) who saw the future as more point to point flights with smaller planes.
The classic comparison around the time of A380's launch was with Boeing's Dreamliner. Airbus at the time hedged its bets - its smaller wide-body jets are doing well. But overall, it seems as if the point to point model is close to winning the game.
A fair conclusion might be that the A380 is a fine aircraft, but one that missed its slot in history.
That is essentially the definition of operating cost. If you can’t fill it up to make it profitable for each trip while you’re operating it, then the operating cost is high. Beside you can’t tell me that four engines are more efficient than two engines that have a higher thrust power. You also can’t tell me that needing more crew and ground crew to operate an a380 vs an a350 or 787 is equally efficient. I could go on.
Yep, when my wife was returning to JFK on Etihad, plane couldn't land in JFK because of snow fall. But plane was low on fuel after 14.5 hour flight and circling around nyc so they landed at National in DC to refuel. When she called and told me was landing in DC, I called two of my boys who owned charter bus companies to arrange for them getting back to NY since my wife was with a group from her church. But there was 1 problem. National did not have a Jetbridge for a 380. They had to sit on plane and wait for JFK runways to reopen. Thankfully she was in biz class.
Emirates Saves the A380, Places $16 Billion Order
Emirates has saved the superjumbo Airbus A380 from its impending doom. On Thursday, the Dubai-based carrier announced that it’s signed a Memorandum of Understanding an order for up to 36 of the A380s, a deal worth $16 billion.
Emirates’ announcement comes less than four days after Airbus’ sales chief said that production of the aircraft would come to a halt if it didn’t get an order from Emirates.
As part of this announcement, Emirates has officially placed a firm order for 20 of the aircraft, which are scheduled to begin delivery in 2020. It also has options to buy a further 16 A380s.
The Airbus A380, once considered the future of aviation, has struggled mightily in recent years. Not only have orders decreased, but production has slowed. According to BBC, just a few years ago, Airbus produced 27 of the A380s annually. In 2018, that number will drop to 12. And in 2019, it’s expected to deliver just eight of the sumperjumbos.
Emirates is the largest customer of the A380. It currently has 101 of the aircraft in its fleet and 41 more firm orders that had previously been placed. In November, it took delivery of its 100th A380. The carrier was expected to place a new order for A380s at the Dubai Air Show in September, however, it opted to place an order for 40 Boeing 787 Dreamliners instead.
“We’ve made no secret of the fact that the A380 has been a success for Emirates,” said HH Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum, Emirates’ chairman and chief executive. “Our customers love it, and we’ve been able to deploy it on different missions across our network, giving us flexibility in terms of range and passenger mix. Some of the new A380s we’ve just ordered will be used as fleet replacements. This order will provide stability to the A380 production line. We will continue to work closely with Airbus to further enhance the aircraft and onboard product, so as to offer our passengers the best possible experience. The beauty of this aircraft is that the technology and real estate on board gives us plenty of room to do something different with the interiors.”
This order won’t necessarily save the A380 for good. But, Airbus said that Emirates’ order underscores its commitment to produce the aircraft for at least another 10 years.
“I’m personally convinced more orders will follow Emirates’ example and that this great aircraft will be built well into the 2030s,” said John Leahy, Airbus’ chief operating officer customers for commercial aircraft.
Thursday’s order from Emirates represents a lifeline for the A380. But, after this order has been fulfilled, it still remains unclear what the future holds for the superjumbo. Check out TPG reviews from first class and business class on Emirates’ A380.
Emirates has saved the superjumbo Airbus A380 from its impending doom. On Thursday, the Dubai-based carrier announced that it’s signed a Memorandum of Understanding an order for up to 36 of the A380s, a deal worth $16 billion.
Emirates’ announcement comes less than four days after Airbus’ sales chief said that production of the aircraft would come to a halt if it didn’t get an order from Emirates.
As part of this announcement, Emirates has officially placed a firm order for 20 of the aircraft, which are scheduled to begin delivery in 2020. It also has options to buy a further 16 A380s.
The Airbus A380, once considered the future of aviation, has struggled mightily in recent years. Not only have orders decreased, but production has slowed. According to BBC, just a few years ago, Airbus produced 27 of the A380s annually. In 2018, that number will drop to 12. And in 2019, it’s expected to deliver just eight of the sumperjumbos.
Emirates is the largest customer of the A380. It currently has 101 of the aircraft in its fleet and 41 more firm orders that had previously been placed. In November, it took delivery of its 100th A380. The carrier was expected to place a new order for A380s at the Dubai Air Show in September, however, it opted to place an order for 40 Boeing 787 Dreamliners instead.
“We’ve made no secret of the fact that the A380 has been a success for Emirates,” said HH Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum, Emirates’ chairman and chief executive. “Our customers love it, and we’ve been able to deploy it on different missions across our network, giving us flexibility in terms of range and passenger mix. Some of the new A380s we’ve just ordered will be used as fleet replacements. This order will provide stability to the A380 production line. We will continue to work closely with Airbus to further enhance the aircraft and onboard product, so as to offer our passengers the best possible experience. The beauty of this aircraft is that the technology and real estate on board gives us plenty of room to do something different with the interiors.”
This order won’t necessarily save the A380 for good. But, Airbus said that Emirates’ order underscores its commitment to produce the aircraft for at least another 10 years.
“I’m personally convinced more orders will follow Emirates’ example and that this great aircraft will be built well into the 2030s,” said John Leahy, Airbus’ chief operating officer customers for commercial aircraft.
Thursday’s order from Emirates represents a lifeline for the A380. But, after this order has been fulfilled, it still remains unclear what the future holds for the superjumbo. Check out TPG reviews from first class and business class on Emirates’ A380.
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