Blacks must drop victimhood and reclaim dignity

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Blacks must drop victimhood and reclaim dignity
African Americans can succeed despite the forces of poverty and systemic racism. But first we must shed the mind-set of victimhood.


By Bill Cosby and Alvin F. Poussaint


New York and Boston

Martin Luther King had a dream that some day his children would "live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

He wanted his children to become strong, beautiful people. But what we see today in poor African American neighborhoods is a nightmare.

We know there are forces that make the ability to escape poverty seem bleak: overburdened single-parent homes, a high dropout rate, joblessness, gangs, drugs, crime, incarceration, deaths at an early age from guns fired by angry black men. We know that systemic racism and governmental neglect still exist.

Yet we in the black community must look at ourselves and understand our own responsibility. We sometimes inflict ourselves with a victim mentality, feel hopeless, and do self-destructive things that make our lives even worse. Many people who are trying to make it find themselves struggling against fellow African Americans so lost in self-destructive behaviors that they bring down other people as well as themselves.

These forces are decimating our communities. And they are not what Reverend King and other leaders took those whuppings for. This is not the future for which our ancestors escaped slavery or resisted it. None of our forebears sacrificed their lives so that their children's children could call each other "******."

Time to overcome

We cannot accept this current state of affairs. We must realize – and believe – that, for all the external hassles we face, we are not helpless. We can overcome the odds and succeed in spite of the obstacles. And we must try. Despite the fact that racial discrimination has not been eliminated, black strength lies in the resolve to keep on keeping on, never quit, never give up, never yield to the role of cooperative victim.

Since the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision to end school segregation, black people have achieved extraordinary accomplishments on all fronts that seemed unthinkable 50 years ago.

As black people face the future, we must remember our successes in American society.

One way slaves survived brutal conditions was to turn the Christianity they had learned into a liberation theology. The stories of the Hebrew slaves became their own. Even as slave owners used the Bible to justify slavery, black people used the Bible as God intended – to give people hope for a time when there would be true justice.

For black people to hold their heads high even today means getting rid of internal feelings of inferiority.

A history of obstacles

This can be difficult given that white supremacists had real clout in this nation for nearly 250 years.

Take, for example, the very definition of a "black" person in America. Historically, a person with any known black ancestry was defined as black, making African ancestry a taint on white purity.

The way race is defined in the United States makes no biological or genetic sense. It's been used primarily as a tool for political and psychological oppression – providing economic gain for many white people.

The Emancipation Proclamation, written in 1863 during the Civil War, finally freed slaves in the South from bondage. After slavery, there was a short-lived period of "Reconstruction" in the South when black people started businesses, bought property, voted, and even served in Congress.

But old habits die hard, especially racist ones. When Northerners wearied of Reconstruction, the old South reared its head and imposed "Jim Crow" segregation.

Buying into victimhood

Although few acknowledge it, the doctrine of white supremacy has sunk deeply into the minds of too many Americans, black people included. It has slithered its way into the psyches of poor black youth with low self-esteem, who equate academic success with "acting white." If success is "white," then are they saying that to "act black" is to fail?

We wonder how these embedded stereotypes affect black people today. Are we too dependent? Do we rely too much on white people or "the system" to rescue us? Do we lack faith in our own ability to run things? Has the legacy of slavery affected even our current mental state?

Too many people, including some black people, believe many poor black youth – particularly males – cannot be educated. This position harkens back to the notion of poor genes determining poor performance rather than poor environment, poor schools, or a music scene that imparts destructive, degrading values. The good must be separated from the bad while treating black people with respect and not demeaning an entire culture.

Victors through community, family

When restaurants, laundries, hotels, theaters, groceries, and clothing stores were legally segregated, black people opened and ran their own.

Such successes provided jobs and strength to black economic well-being. They also gave black people that gratifying sense of an interdependent community with people working to help each other.

During legal segregation, white racists destroyed some of these economically independent communities. To their credit, our ancestors did not accept victimhood. They fought back as individuals and as a people. Most refused to become passive victims of the system.

Black neighborhoods today must adopt that same can-do attitude and take action. They must be enterprising and work hard to improve their own economic situation – and by so doing, help improve the community.

This tenacious drive to be victorious is a quality that will help us meet the current challenges in our neighborhoods.

We can pass this sense of strength on to our children by strengthening black families, whatever their structure, and nurturing our youth with love and guidance. We must put children first and sharpen our parenting skills in both single-parent and two-parent homes. Fathers must play a bigger role. They cannot be absent. Children do better when fathers are actively involved in their lives.

With the help of supportive social policies, we can shoulder the remaining challenges and overcome the barriers to black success.

The driving force for change has been the activism of African Americans and others who take up our cause. The key word is activism, yesterday, today, and tomorrow. We must be actively involved in empowering our schools and participating in the political process by exercising our right to vote. Being passive takes us nowhere. Activism is what gets us where we want to go.

It is time to think positively and act positively. A people armed with the will to want to get better, armed with the will to win, and armed with knowledge of the past and present, can move forward and take action, succeed, and reclaim their dignity.
 
I tip my hat to this post, fam. :yes:

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Although few acknowledge it, the doctrine of white supremacy has sunk deeply into the minds of too many Americans, black people included. It has slithered its way into the psyches of poor black youth with low self-esteem, who equate academic success with "acting white." If success is "white," then are they saying that to "act black" is to fail?

Serious Post Right Here. :yes:
 
I didn't even read the thread but I agree 100% with the title.
There's no much money and influence in black victimhood for con artists like Jesse Jackson.
 
Too many people, including some black people, believe many poor black youth – particularly males – cannot be educated. This position harkens back to the notion of poor genes determining poor performance rather than poor environment, poor schools, or a music scene that imparts destructive, degrading values. The good must be separated from the bad while treating black people with respect and not demeaning an entire culture.

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Good post.

A lot of times, it looks like the problem is where not complex enough to see both sides of the issue. Blacks are sometimes victims & others are attempting to victimize us. In spite of that, you can maneuver around most of that to achieve the type of success you desire. However, in order to do that, you have to take the necessary steps to get from point A to point B.

There are far too many folx who are at point A & don't do shyt & just claim victim which is what they're talking about.

We need a checklist:

Are you working or pursuing work?
Are you pursuing higher education or have you obtained a degree?
How much do you spend on wants versus needs?

etc..

We gotta get folx to see their role in changing their own circumstance & see where they are AFTER they've put in some work to change their situation.
 
100% agree with this post, props :cool:

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Get your gay ass outta her'! you gon come here to a serious thread on a pussy board posting gay shit? :( Your nasty newbie ass should banned!!!!:angry:
 
Too many people, including some black people, believe many poor black youth – particularly males – cannot be educated. This position harkens back to the notion of poor genes determining poor performance rather than poor environment, poor schools, or a music scene that imparts destructive, degrading values. The good must be separated from the bad while treating black people with respect and not demeaning an entire culture.

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Samh, that piece you quoted shows the INTENT of Cosby. He is officially full of shit.

Basically he wants to create a divide based on blacks vs "niggas"



Let me pull up a post I did back in 05-17-2005 about Cosby when he made his infamous speech at Spellman...............


I quote:



I wish to re-iterate my points from an earlier argument about Cosby.

My 2 cents:
Bill was preaching to the choir and unknowingly fulfilling a technique created and perfected by white society. Its called alienation.

Issue #1: Why is he telling college students about a problem they have already overcome ? Why isn't he where the problem is doing his stuff ?

Answer: He is playing into the alienation game. These college students will now feel ashamed of their race and seek not to associate with blacks of a lower social standing, leading to the "sellout" syndrome and its defense as "black not having personal responsibility"




Issue #2:
Why doesn't white america seek to make the issues of their lower class public? e.g. high incidents of skin cancer from sun exposure? Do you see ads, public speaker etc urging whites to get out of the sun? Do you see ads, forums on ways whites should take personal responsibility and not discriminate?

Answer: They have already created a sub-class of whites called "trailer trash" and don't consider them "really" white. So that when you say white, images of trailer trash doesn't come to the fore-front.




Issue #3: Why can't blacks such as Cosby (high profile) use the opportunity to create pressure groups like the FAGS are doing to push their agenda?

Answer: We have been educated to not make personal sacrifices for the furtherance of our race. We are fooled to believe that we have almost made it (college degree? pat on shoulder.. etc). Do not expect saviours from the middle class. You see middle class blacks are falling into a comfort zone which makes it difficult for them to "rock the boat". We don't understand that we need to control the media's perception of us. We need to determine how we are defined, not white america.



Issue #4: We are too forgetful........ and ashamed for the wrong things. How can you be ashamed of being a victim? You need to show that their were no morals by the oppressors. Their "upright" culture was in stark contrast to what they were doing.

Answer: We need to teach our kids what happened. Teach them of their rich heritage with fact from research, not ideology about "black kings" etc. Teach them of their God that liberated their ancestors from the white man's god (the God they used to justify slavery). Do some more research yourself.

http://www.socialismtoday.org/33/slavery33.html



"THE HORRORS OF the New World slave system cannot be expressed in figures alone but the shear scale of these is staggering. The slave population of the Americas reached 33,000 in 1700, nearly three million in 1800 and peaked at over six million in 1850. During this period a million and a half died during the passage to the New World, large numbers died beforehand and between a tenth and a fifth died within a year of landing."






3 million Jews -Holocast, Never forget
3000 White- 9-11, Never Forget
Black -Slavery, Get over it !!!
 
This is the shit that only a few truly believe in on BGOL and I'm one of that few!!! If we all truly believed and agreed with this, there wouldn't be so many racial overtones, fucc whitey and whitey is responsible for this n that threads. I am responsible for me and my families actions. I can let my son listen to whatever music he enjoys listenin to, let him watch American Gangster 50 times. But it's truly up to me to set up his foundation in life. Besides Law Enforcement, the Judicial System and Corporate America we almost have a fair shot at success. I know blaccs in the school system are fucced up also but half of that is our parents fault. We need to stop playin victim and empower ourselves!!!
 
Samh, that piece you quoted shows the INTENT of Cosby. He is officially full of shit.

Basically he wants to create a divide based on blacks vs "niggas"



Let me pull up a post I did back in 05-17-2005 about Cosby when he made his infamous speech at Spellman...............


I quote:



I wish to re-iterate my points from an earlier argument about Cosby.

My 2 cents:
Bill was preaching to the choir and unknowingly fulfilling a technique created and perfected by white society. Its called alienation.

Issue #1: Why is he telling college students about a problem they have already overcome ? Why isn't he where the problem is doing his stuff ?

Answer: He is playing into the alienation game. These college students will now feel ashamed of their race and seek not to associate with blacks of a lower social standing, leading to the "sellout" syndrome and its defense as "black not having personal responsibility"




Issue #2:
Why doesn't white america seek to make the issues of their lower class public? e.g. high incidents of skin cancer from sun exposure? Do you see ads, public speaker etc urging whites to get out of the sun? Do you see ads, forums on ways whites should take personal responsibility and not discriminate?

Answer: They have already created a sub-class of whites called "trailer trash" and don't consider them "really" white. So that when you say white, images of trailer trash doesn't come to the fore-front.




Issue #3: Why can't blacks such as Cosby (high profile) use the opportunity to create pressure groups like the FAGS are doing to push their agenda?

Answer: We have been educated to not make personal sacrifices for the furtherance of our race. We are fooled to believe that we have almost made it (college degree? pat on shoulder.. etc). Do not expect saviours from the middle class. You see middle class blacks are falling into a comfort zone which makes it difficult for them to "rock the boat". We don't understand that we need to control the media's perception of us. We need to determine how we are defined, not white america.



Issue #4: We are too forgetful........ and ashamed for the wrong things. How can you be ashamed of being a victim? You need to show that their were no morals by the oppressors. Their "upright" culture was in stark contrast to what they were doing.

Answer: We need to teach our kids what happened. Teach them of their rich heritage with fact from research, not ideology about "black kings" etc. Teach them of their God that liberated their ancestors from the white man's god (the God they used to justify slavery). Do some more research yourself.

http://www.socialismtoday.org/33/slavery33.html



"THE HORRORS OF the New World slave system cannot be expressed in figures alone but the shear scale of these is staggering. The slave population of the Americas reached 33,000 in 1700, nearly three million in 1800 and peaked at over six million in 1850. During this period a million and a half died during the passage to the New World, large numbers died beforehand and between a tenth and a fifth died within a year of landing."






3 million Jews -Holocast, Never forget
3000 White- 9-11, Never Forget
Black -Slavery, Get over it !!!

there is always one. :smh:


Great post phillyphily

-VG
 
Source Link HERE

Excerpt: 'Come on People'
Bill Cosby's Book Urges African-Americans to Take More Responsibility
Oct. 16, 2007 —


Bill Cosby is a cultural icon, but these days he's much more than an entertainer. He's an educator and an activist with a powerful message for blacks to take more responsibility for their lives. With renowned Harvard psychiatrist Alvin Poussaint, he has written a book that he describes as a wake-up call for American families. It's called "Come on People."

You can learn more about what The Cos is doing on his website.

Read an excerpt below.


WHAT'S GOING ON WITH BLACK MEN?
For the last generation or two, as our communities dissolved and our parenting skills broke down, no one has suffered more than our young black men. Your authors have been around long enough, and traveled widely enough, to think we understand something about the problem. And we're hopeful enoughor desperate enoughto think that with all of us working together we might find our way to a solution. Let's start with one very basic fact. Back in 1950, before Brown v. Board of Education, before the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act, when Rosa Parks was still sitting in the back of her Montgomery bus, when the NBA was just about all white, back in those troubled times, black boys were born into a different world than they are today. Obviously, many civil rights leaders had hoped that with the demise in the 1960s of officially sanctioned forms of segregation and discrimination, black males would have greater access to the mainstream of American society. They had fully expected that these young men would be in a better position in every wayfinancially, psychologically, legallyto sustain viable marriages and families. Instead, the overall situation has continued to go downhill among the poor who are mostly shut out from the mainstream of success. How is that possible?

There is one statistic that captures the bleakness. In 1950, five out of every six black children were born into a two-parent home. Today, that number is less than two out of six. In poor communities, that number is lower still. There are whole blocks with scarcely a married couple, whole blocks without responsible males to watch out for wayward boys, whole neighborhoods in which little girls and boys come of age without seeing up close a committed partnership and perhaps never having attended a wedding.


BUILD ON OUR LEGACY
In 1950, we still feared our parents and respected them. We know that for a fact because we were both in our early teens that year and were both testing our limits. We and the others in our generation weren't saints. We'll be the first to admit that. We were filled with piss and vinegar like many teenage boyswhite, black, and otherwise. If we saw something we wanted and didn't have any moneyand trust us, few of us ever had moneywe thought about taking it, sure. But something called "parenting," something that had wormed its way into our heads from the time we were still in the womb, said to us, If you get caught stealing it, you're going to embarrass your mother. The voice didn't say, You're going to get your butt kicked.We knew that and expected that from experience. No, that inner voice said, You're going to embarrass your mother. You're going to embarrass your family. As we became older and grew more interested in girls, our hormones raged just as boys' hormones rage today. The Internet may be new. Cell phones may be new. But sex, we don't need to tell you, has been around since Adam and Eve. So has shame. We knew that if one of us got a girl pregnant, not only would she have to go visit that famous "aunt in South Carolina," but young Romeo would have to go too, not to South Carolina maybe, but somewhere. It would be too embarrassing for Romeo's family for him to just sit around in the neighborhood with a fat Cheshire cat smile on his face. And there was something else we understood: that girl likely had a daddy in the home. And he'd be prepared to wipe that grin off Romeo's face permanently. This was what parenting was about. It wasn't always pretty, but it could be pretty effective. Parenting works best when both a mother and a father participate.

Some mothers can do it on their own, but they need help. A house without a father is a challenge. A neighborhood without fathers is a catastrophe, and that's just about what we have today. Can we fix this? Can we change it? We don't have a choice. We have to take our neighborhoods back. We have to go in there and do it ourselves. We saw what happened in New Orleans when people waited for the government to help. "Governments" are things. Governments don't care. People care, and no people care like parents dowell, except maybe grandparents and other caregivers, and thank God for them.

Richard Rowe, in Baltimore, reported on one path to change: Twenty years ago in this city we started the "Rites of Passage." Nobody else was doing it on the East Coast. We started looking at how the African- American male was going downhill. Twenty years from now, I hope we will not be having this same type of conversation. The purpose of our program is to nurture young men who can maintain, protect, and provide for a family and a community.

The problems start early for black boys, and we can all see it. Call it ADHD or learning differences or whatever you like, but our young black males can act up a Level 5 storm in class. The fact is that little boys are diagnosed with ADHD approximately three times more than girls. Also, black boys are diagnosed with higher rates of mental disabilities and emotional problems than black girls, white girls, and white boys. To be sure, little boys in general are more aggressive than little girls. In some cases, too, teachers are wary of black boys and too quick to dump them into special education classes. This kind of racial profiling and discrimination against active, aggressive black boys by school personnel accounts for some of the discrepancy in the numbers, but the bottom line is still bad. Why is the problem so grave? A mother can usually teach a daughter how to be a woman. But as much as mothers love their sons, they have difficulty showing a son how to be a man. A successful man can channel his natural aggression. Without that discipline, these sons often get into trouble at school because many teachers find it difficult to manage their "acting out" behavior. If you think we're exaggerating, talk to a teacher.

Some words of wisdom from Dr. Bernard Franklin in Kansas City: In our culture too often boys are reared and taught by women who want boys' behavior to be like girls'. But boys were never, ever created to sit still. Boys are active, always have been, always will be. And so sometimes mothers have to pass them on to uncles or other men. We also have to figure out how to get more males in the classroom so that these boys can have active participation with another man in their lives.

There is another thing that little boys don't do any more: go to church. When we were kids, once a week we had to get dressed to the nines in clothes we'd rather not wear and spend an hour sitting and kneeling quietly in a place we'd rather not be. But this was a useful and necessary discipline. We learned how to sit still. We learned how to sit quietly. We learned self-control, and we knew the consequences if we didn't. We could always go out and play ball when church was over, a little wiser for the experience. Today, many boys don't go to church and couldn't even put their clothes on straight if they did. Many of these kids have never tied a tie or buckled a top button or shined their shoes. Sadly, the first real suit many of them get to wear is colored orange. And what's really unfortunate is that the beltless, droopy-drawered look you see on the streets is a fashion straight out of prison. Boys like the defiance of the look, and some make it part of their permanent identity, but that look doesn't get anyone a job.


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Issue #1: Why is he telling college students about a problem they have already overcome ? Why isn't he where the problem is doing his stuff ?

Answer: He is playing into the alienation game. These college students will now feel ashamed of their race and seek not to associate with blacks of a lower social standing, leading to the "sellout" syndrome and its defense as "black not having personal responsibility"

Kayanation I refuse to back and forth with you about this issue AGAIN! Sometimes I really do believe that you are white? Black college students haven't overcome anything. They have just begun the journey that take a life time to complete. This world is global now and only the strong will survive. Excuses will no longer be accepted in our society.
 
When anybody, including blacks, tells, me to get over slavery, rage builds up inside of me to hurt that person very, very, bad.

You gonna tell us to get over it when you compensate those fake Jews, give them and those crackas that died in the WTC a memorial. BuT refuse to give blacks any memorial or yet reperations.

After all of the shit you put us throughk: rape, murder, castration, fire torching, supression, emotional pain, physical pain, violence, specific laws set against blacks, lynching, forced sun up to sun down labor, which effects us to this very second.

And now today since you benefit economically and socially from what you did to blacks and we still suffer socially, mentally, economically, etc.......

YOU GOT THE NERVE TO TELL US TO GET OVER IT? GODS ON OUR SIDE AND WILL DESTROY YOU DEVILS, TOMS, AND WHOEVER ELSE STANDS IN GOOD BLACKS FOLKS WAY. THE DEVILS GOT SOMETHING COMING TO THEM FOR WHAT THEY DID TO BLACKS, BOTH BLACK AND WHITE. What goes around comes around!!!

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What's even worse is... It's always the same ones. :dunno:


have you read the exercept of the Spellman Speech 2 years ago????

Compare that with what Cosby is saying now........


Cosby is tailoring his message to be more palatable but his INTENT is still the same.


He changed the parts of his message that was fucked up to hide his intent.



This is his speech in 2004:



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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]At ceremonies here last week commemorating the 50th anniversary of the Brown v. Board of Education Supreme Court decision outlawing "separate but equal" schools, Cosby's remarks caught many in the audience by surprise.

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]With NAACP President Kwesi Mfume, NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund President Ted Shaw and many other Black dignitaries looking on, Cosby complained that "the lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal."[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]He said, "These people are not parenting. They are buying things for their kids - $500 sneakers for what? And won't spend $200 for 'Hooked on Phonics.'...They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk: Why you ain't,' Where you is'...And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk...Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads...You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth."[/FONT]



[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In Atlanta on Sunday, author and cultural critic Michael Eric Dyson called Cosby wrong for using the fund raiser to criticize poor people. While acknowledging Cosby's generous philanthropy to historically black institutions, Dyson said a better use of the platform would have been to criticize national public policy for failing to give poor people enough support.


[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Cosby cited a 50 percent dropout rate for Blacks. However, according to the National Center for Education Statistics, the dropout rate for African-Americans was 13.1 percent in 2000, the last year for which statistics are available.[/FONT]


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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Cosby's comments about education were made in the larger context of African-Americans having to struggle to desegregate schools 50 years ago and seeing many youth today who will not take advantage of those sacrifices. He pleaded with those present to take back the Black community.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The comedian declined to acknowledge the existence of political prisoners.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"These are not political criminals," he said. "These are people going around stealing Coca Cola. People getting shot in the back of the head over a piece of pound cake, and then we run out and we are outraged, saying 'The cops shouldn't have shot him.' What the hell was he doing with the pound cake in his hand?"[/FONT]


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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Cosby claims that some of his comments were taken out of context. Excerpts of the remarks can be heard on the Washington Post's Web site, www.washingtonpost.com, and it appears that Cosby was quoted accurately.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Milwaukee Journal Sentinel columnist Eugene Kane wrote a column noting that like Cosby, he was born in North Philadelphia and attended Temple University.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Given his record as a philanthropist who had donated millions to black colleges and black causes in general, Cosby has certainly earned the right to speak his mind."
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]He continued, "Still, there's a sense of uneasiness whenever somebody like Cosby uses the same language some whites use to justify their racism....[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Particularly, the idea that poor blacks and their children weigh down the rest of society, or that every black person behind bars deserves to be incarcerated. Sure, some blacks may fit that description, not all. Some white people, too."[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Kane wrote, "He's not a poor Black mother raising children in the inner city, so he has no idea how difficult that is in 2004 America. And if the TV star really wants to pass moral judgments on poor black women, ahem, Mr. Cosby, there is a little matter of you having an out-of-wedlock child yourself."[/FONT]


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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]After reading the column, Cosby telephoned Kane. The columnist said that in an hour-long discussion, Cosby explained that he did not intend to smear all poor Blacks.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"I didn't say all black people from the lower classes were to blame," Kane said Cosby told him. "But I said that when you have a 50 percent graduation rate, and some people can't put two sentences together, and can't write or spell...you've got people who have put themselves on a track to failure."[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]As for Autumn Jackson, who claims to be Cosby's out-of-wedlock daughter, the comedian told Kane that she has repeatedly refused his offer to take a paternity test.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In the interview with Kane, Cosby deplored the glorification of a pimp mentality, placing more emphasis on athletics than academics and celebrating rap videos on BET.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"I am talking about parenting. It is time for us to turn the mirror around. We have to take back the neighborhood."[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And he reiterated his comment about the misuse of the English language. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"We can't excuse these people," Cosby said. "There are generations who have been born here and their English is worse than Koreans who have just been here a few years."[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The following are additional excerpts from Cosby's speech:[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was 2? Where were you when he was 12? Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol? And where is the father? . . .[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"The church is only open on Sunday and you can't keep asking Jesus to do things for you. You can't keep saying that God will find a way. God is tired of you," Cosby declared to loud applause.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"I wasn't there when God was saying it, I am making this up, but it sounds like what God would say. In all of this work we can not blame white people. White people don't live over there; they close up the shop early. The Korean ones don't know us well enough, so they stay open 24 hours."[/FONT]


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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]On fashion: "People putting their clothes on backwards: Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong? . . . People with their hats on backwards, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something, or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up? Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up to the crack and got all type of needles [piercings] going through her body? What part of Africa did this come from? Those people are not Africans; they don't know a damn thing about Africa.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap, and all of them are in jail. Brown versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem. We have got to take the neighborhood back. We have to go in there -- forget about telling your child to go into the Peace Corps -- it is right around the corner. They are standing on the corner and they can't speak English."[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]On sports heroes: "Basketball players -- multimillionaires -- can't write a paragraph. Football players -- multimillionaires -- can't read. Yes, multimillionaires. Well, Brown versus Board of Education: Where are we today? They paved the way, but what did we do with it? That white man, he's laughing. He's got to be laughing: 50 percent drop out, the rest of them are in prison."[/FONT]


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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]On teenage sex: "Five, six children -- same woman -- eight, 10 different husbands or whatever. Pretty soon you are going to have DNA cards to tell who you are making love to. You don't know who this is. It might be your grandmother. I am telling you, they're young enough! Hey, you have a baby when you are 12; your baby turns 13 and has a baby. How old are you? Huh? Grandmother! By the time you are 12 you can have sex with your grandmother, you keep those numbers coming. I'm just predicting. . . .[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"What is it -- young girls getting after a girl who wants to remain a virgin? Who are these sick black people and where do they come from and why haven't they been parented to shut up? This is a sickness, ladies and gentlemen."[/FONT]



http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=11810453&BRD=1077&PAG=461&dept_id=237827&rfi=6






he is tailoring his message but his intent has already been made clear..................

;)
 
Kayanation I refuse to back and forth with you about this issue AGAIN! Sometimes I really do believe that you are white? Black college students haven't overcome anything. They have just begun the journey that take a life time to complete. This world is global now and only the strong will survive. Excuses will no longer be accepted in our society.



That was in reference to school dropout rates that Cosby brought up during his speech at Spellman.

For blacks to make it to college level in this country, it takes double the effort, determination when you factor in the general state of the black community.
So yes they have overcome things. Of course agreeing with you also that there are a lot more challenges ahead.

Believe me I know about globalisation.............;)



Please see the Cosby excerpt I just posted...............
 
I know a brotha on another board that always defend's ignorant acts of black as being "taught to have slave mentality." Shit on all that. The fact of the matter is every one has a choice. Yes, you circumstances may not be the best in life, but you have a choice of attempting to do well and fighting for your family.. Or deciding to be ignorant (violent, taking advantage of the systme, etc) and claiming victim.
 
Wonder if he consider Condoleeza Rice a success.She is down with a gang that is responsible for lots of deaths.What is true success?
 
I know a brotha on another board that always defend's ignorant acts of black as being "taught to have slave mentality." Shit on all that. The fact of the matter is every one has a choice. Yes, you circumstances may not be the best in life, but you have a choice of attempting to do well and fighting for your family.. Or deciding to be ignorant (violent, taking advantage of the systme, etc) and claiming victim.




Don't be too bothered............... Cosby likes small fish


;)
 
Issue #3: Why can't blacks such as Cosby (high profile) use the opportunity to create pressure groups like the FAGS are doing to push their agenda?

Answer: We have been educated to not make personal sacrifices for the furtherance of our race. We are fooled to believe that we have almost made it (college degree? pat on shoulder.. etc). Do not expect saviours from the middle class. You see middle class blacks are falling into a comfort zone which makes it difficult for them to "rock the boat". We don't understand that we need to control the media's perception of us. We need to determine how we are defined, not white america.


WTF are you talking about? Have you never heard of the million things that Cosby has done in and around our community? I'm just reminded of ONE thing which is whole buildings on Spelmans campus donated by him and his wife, and I have heard of countless othrs. If you are looking for a celebrity who has done nothing for his community, you are looking in the wrong place dude. Cosby may be loose with women but he has put in work dawg. Stop it.

And his message might have been easy to misinterpret in the beginning, but cmon man, do these critics really believe thats where he's coming from, or do they just wanna flap their gums while nothing gets done?



Guess you missed those parts in red.


What group is Cosby a part of that tackles systematic oppression of black people?

What group is Cosby a part of that pressures media companies to clean up the portrayal of blacks in the media?

What group is Cosby a part of that pressures the justice system to act fairly toward minorities?


Donating money is easy........... even Imus did it, had a ranch with black children and everything :rolleyes:




Cosby likes small fish.

There are big fish to fry.


:cool:
 

By Bill Cosby and Alvin F. Poussaint


New York and Boston

Martin Luther King had a dream that some day his children would "live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."



So instead of attacking the system, MLK donated money to colleges and got on the pulpit and gave black people some "tough love"



:cool::cool::cool:
 
For better or worse, Cosby is one of only a few prominent Black figure out there pounding the pavement to the degree that he is for Black empowerment. I'm not going to knock his efforts, even if I don't agree with his presentation in every case. People who are so passionately anti-Cosby need to redirect their energy to solving our problems instead of hendering Cosby's efforts to solve our problems. Do you!
 
Do you think filtering out what you think is right will cause the entire black race to overcome, or taking it all in from this person, then taking it all in from that person will cause confusion?
 
For better or worse, Cosby is one of only a few prominent Black figure out there pounding the pavement to the degree that he is for Black empowerment. I'm not going to knock his efforts, even if I don't agree with his presentation in every case. People who are so passionately anti-Cosby need to redirect their energy to solving our problems instead of hendering Cosby's efforts to solve our problems. Do you!




If there is a fire in your bedroom, do you:

1. Try to put the fire out

or


2. Start packing your living room items to take them out?




The black problem is a two-fold one.

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY + WHITE SUPREMACY (WHITE PRIVILEGE)


Any leader needs to acknowledge BOTH and address them appropriately.




Some of his advice is very suspect and actually internalizes the same victimhood he claims that we must drop.


EXAMPLE

Blacks face discrimination based on the sounding of their names

Don't create a lobby to come up with ways to avoid this happening, just go on a pulpit and tell black people stop giving their children black sounding names.........:cool:


He is senile.........

:smh:
 
Wouldn't you agree that coz is doing the same thing?




Bro, I was being sarcastic.............




MLK fought against systematic oppression.

MLK didn't fight for black people to be the best they could be under systematic oppression.

He fought to end systematic oppression.

MLK loved to go after BIG FISH
 
I really hate a lot of you niggas! You would rather have something to bitch about than pulling yourselves up by your bootstraps. I wouldn't mind if they rounded up a bunch of you good for nothing niggas and castrate y'all.
How can anyone try to shit on Cosby especially since what he is saying is true.
 
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