Bipartisanship; Obama & The GOP House talk

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President Obama blasted House Republicans
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McClatchy Newspapers
By William Douglas
January 29, 2010


BALTIMORE — In a session that was intended to foster bipartisanship with Republicans in the House of Representatives, President Barack Obama blasted them Friday for distorting his health care plan to the point that "you'd think that this thing was some Bolshevik plot."

"I'm not suggesting we're going to agree on everything, whether it's on health care or energy," Obama said. "But if the way these issues are being presented by the Republicans is that this is some wild-eyed plot to impose huge government in every aspect of our lives, what happens is you guys then don't have a lot of room to negotiate with me."

The president's blunt remarks were part of an unusual give-and-take question-and-answer session after remarks he made at the House Republicans' retreat in Baltimore

Before the session, the White House and House Republicans promised that Obama's visit would produce a frank dialogue and, hopefully, usher in a more civil, bipartisan tone, which largely has been largely absent in the past year's debates, ranging from health care to climate change to the economy.

Instead, the one-hour, 45-minute dialogue seemed to produce olive branches adorned by a few prickly thorns and to showcase just how wide and deep the divide is between the administration and other Democrats and the Republicans in Congress.

"There were different views of facts and figures," said Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas. "But I think we had facts on our side and he (Obama) was a little on the defensive."

Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz., said that Obama's talk showed that the president had a "willingness to dismiss reality."

"He's willing to hold himself unconstrained by the truth," Franks said.

Obama began the session warmly and joked about attending the retreat because of a need to "keep your friends close, but visit the Republican caucus every few months."

He grew stern and testy at times, however, as he refuted some of the details lawmakers cited in their questions about health care, the economic stimulus and the federal debt.

On health care, Obama said that some of the provisions in the Democratic bill had been embraced by a bipartisan group that included former Senate Majority Leaders Bob Dole, R-Kan., Tom Daschle, D-N.D., and Howard Baker, R-Tenn.

"That's not a radical bunch," the president said. "But if you were to listen to the debate and, frankly, how some of you went after this bill, you'd think that this thing was some Bolshevik plot."

Obama elicited snickers from Republicans in the hotel ballroom when he proclaimed, "I am not an ideologue."

The president acknowledged problems in the crafting of the health care bill, calling it a "messy process."

Republicans got a little testy, too.

Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind., the House Republican Conference chairman, told Obama that the president had been too "busy ignoring for 12 months" ideas from Republican lawmakers.

Obama challenged a question from Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga., who asked what GOP lawmakers should tell their constituents who know that Republicans have offered positive solutions on health care, along with Price's assertion that the Republicans' health care plan would cover almost all Americans without raising taxes.

"That's just not true," the president said.

He swatted down a question from Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, who expressed disappointment that Obama hasn't sufficiently followed through on a campaign promise to battle congressional earmarks.

"Now the challenge, I guess, I would have for you as a freshman is, what are you doing inside your caucus to make sure I'm not the only guy who's responsible for this stuff," Obama said, calling earmark abuse a bipartisan problem, "so that we're working together?"

Obama arrived in Baltimore buoyed by new data showing that the U.S. economy grew at a better-than-expected 5.7 percent in the final three months of 2009, the fastest pace in more than six years. Friday's report followed a 2.2 percent growth rate in the third quarter, an indication that the country is out of the recession but not necessarily out of the economic woods.

House GOP leaders, who've called the stimulus package and the federal bailout of banks and American automakers failed Democratic policies, shrugged off Friday's report, saying it means nothing to Americans are struggling to find work.

"Republicans have been asking again and again, 'Where are the jobs?' " Pence said. "Reporting on Wall Street, it seems to me, makes great news. I'm glad to see my kid's college fund has come back from a year ago, that's fine; GDP numbers are welcome."

Pence noted that the nation's unemployment rate — 10 percent — has risen on Obama's watch.

The president suggested that House Republicans join him in creating more jobs by supporting a retooled White House plan that would give small businesses a $5,000 tax credit for every net new employee who's hired this calendar year. While large companies also could take the benefit, credits would be capped at $500,000.

The proposal carries a $33 billion price tag. Republican leaders called the proposal a non-starter, even before Obama showed up.

"The American people know what's necessary to get this economy moving, and that's essentially to do what Ronald Reagan did, and that is across-the-board tax relief for working families, small business and family farms," Pence said. "We need bigger ideas to deal with the heartbreaking reality of this recession."


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Barry blew it when he let a cop force him into a sitdown. That showed weakness to the barbarians. Bowing down to Asian and Arab leaders didn't help either. There is probably no hope for his presidency now unless he lets Michelle run things. Hiding behind his woman wouldn't be a bad idea it worked for Clinton and both Bush's. Ol boy has got to show some backbone, he's playing himself with this high road character act. It don't work on people who equate kindess, class, civility with weakness.
 
Democrats should continue to expose the republicans as the party of obstruction. Let them Senate filibuster and show that they have no interest in passing any legislation in this time of economic tension. They have gotten away with claiming that Washington is the enemy and doesn’t work at the same time preventing anything from happening. I say let them tie up legislation. Remember what happened when Gingrich held up passing the budget in 1998? The GOP got rightfully blamed.




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Blaming the GOP won't work for Dems this time. The opposition to Obama is racial although they will never admit it. A better comparison to todays political climate would be Goldwater in the 60's or Wallace in the 70's. If Newt hadn't been such a perverted lowlife and got his butt kicked out of office the Reps would have ran a Boston on the White House and Senate. We people of good faith and morals, better face the fact there's a segment of this society who don't want change if it threatens white supremacy. Those people have a date with destiny and they won't let nothing stop them from meeting their scheduled appointment.
 
Blaming the GOP won't work for Dems this time. The opposition to Obama is racial although they will never admit it. A better comparison to todays political climate would be Goldwater in the 60's or Wallace in the 70's. If Newt hadn't been such a perverted lowlife and got his butt kicked out of office the Reps would have ran a Boston on the White House and Senate. We people of good faith and morals, better face the fact there's a segment of this society who don't want change if it threatens white supremacy. Those people have a date with destiny and they won't let nothing stop them from meeting their scheduled appointment.

Good points but I disagree that race trumps in this political climate. Fear of being put out on the street is a much stronger motivator than petty racial politics. Can't talk much shit when the marshal moves your shit out on the lawn.

Obama was elected because the voting majority believed he could fix problems in spite of his race, his middle name and their redneck neighbors they could not tell they decided to vote for an N word. Rednecks republicans and whatever bullshit they smoke is secondary to that.

Barry blew it when he let a cop force him into a sitdown. That showed weakness to the barbarians. Bowing down to Asian and Arab leaders didn't help either. There is probably no hope for his presidency now unless he lets Michelle run things. Hiding behind his woman wouldn't be a bad idea it worked for Clinton and both Bush's. Ol boy has got to show some backbone, he's playing himself with this high road character act. It don't work on people who equate kindess, class, civility with weakness.

I thought it was Barack's idea to have a beer. No?? And you think his wife should run things? You got to be joking right?

-VG
 
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Originally Posted by VegasGuy

Good points but I disagree that race trumps in this political climate. Fear of being put out on the street is a much stronger motivator than petty racial politics. Can't talk much shit when the marshal moves your shit out on the lawn.

Obama was elected because the voting majority believed he could fix problems in spite of his race, his middle name and their redneck neighbors they could not tell they decided to vote for an N word. Rednecks republicans and whatever bullshit they smoke is secondary to that.



""Fear is stronger than love"" — Tupac Shakur (Tupac: Resurrection 1971-1996)


Fear. Fear of being put on the streets is stronger than petty politics but it is not stronger than some whites fear of Black people. Thats why they will always vote against their political and economic interest and since they are a sizable part of the population they can bring the rest of us down with them.


Originally Posted by VegasGuy
I thought it was Barack's idea to have a beer. No?? And you think his wife should run things? You got to be joking right


Michelle can't run things so I am 1/2 way joking but she would prolly be more assertive than her husband.
 
Fear. Fear of being put on the streets is stronger than petty politics but it is not stronger than some whites fear of Black people. Thats why they will always vote against their political and economic interest and since they are a sizable part of the population they can bring the rest of us down with them.





Michelle can't run things so I am 1/2 way joking but she would prolly be more assertive than her husband.

Got cha.

-VG
 
Here is what they should do for healthcare, create a single payer system (roll up Medicare, Medicaid into one system). Give a genorous tax credit if you want to opt out for private insurance. No mandates, public option crap, or selling insurance across state lines.

It wouldn't be a radical change, most of the seniors and people on Medicaid are using a single payer system.

Problem solved. :lol::lol:

Right now, we discourage employers from hiring, they get a $12,000 'tax' burden for each employee they hire. The tax rate should be calculated with your healthcare premium. No wonder we don't manufacture anything in this country. I seen one auto manufacturer pays 6 billion for healthcare, they would be raking in 4 billion on a switchover, wouldn't need a bailout.
 
Here is what they should do for healthcare, create a single payer system (roll up Medicare, Medicaid into one system). Give a genorous tax credit if you want to opt out for private insurance. No mandates, public option crap, or selling insurance across state lines.

It wouldn't be a radical change, most of the seniors and people on Medicaid are using a single payer system.

Real simple, Problem solved. Don't like the government, here some money, leave... :lol::lol:

Right now, we discourage employers from hiring, they get a $12,000 'tax' burden for each employee they hire. The tax rate should be calculated with your healthcare premium also.

I seen one auto manufacturer pays 6 billion for healthcare, they would be raking in 4 billion on a switchover. Companies shouldn't be taxed for hiring people.
 
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