Bill O’Reilly & Glen Beck - "We’re ‘Afraid’ To Have Black Friends"

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Sorry Muck, much adu about nothing here. The issue is reconciling the idea of a white person saying a black man is "articulate" and not be labeled a racist for doing it. A lot of black people, including me heard something else when white folks commented that Obama is "articulate".

Now, Obama is in fact articulate. And the story, which really isn't a story is that it sounded like whites are suprised that he is. But we all agree that he is. So it makes no sense to argue something that is true to be untrue if it is.

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It’s not a trivial matter at all.
OReilly and Beck are both unapologetic racist; white supremacist
I sure I don’t have to post the dozens of audio & video clips of their racist bloviating just in the last 6 months to make that basic point. That’s their livelihood, just like Savage, Hannity, Rush etc.
White ‘HATE’ radio & television sells,$$$$$, it makes money. Dumb threatened white males love it. It reinforces every stereotype they have about women, Blacks, Hispanics, gays, etc. Sex radio and television sells even more $$$$$$$$, Howard Stern made 320 Million dollars last year.
Oreilly & Beck’s statements are willfully disingenuous with their statements. It reminds me of the time I arrived at work after the initial airing of the ‘ROOTS’ television series, and a white college told me that he didn’t like the series because <b>“It didn’t show any of the good slave masters”.</b> Read the article below for further ruminations about Blacks being “articulate”. </font>

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The Racial Politics of Speaking Well</font>
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February 4th 2007
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by Lynette Clemetson</b>

SENATOR JOSEPH R. BIDEN'S characterization of his fellow Democratic presidential contender Senator Barack Obama as ''the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy'' was so painfully clumsy that it nearly warranted pity.

There are not enough column inches on this page to parse interpretations of each of Mr. Biden's chosen adjectives. But among his string of loaded words, one is so pervasive -- and is generally used and viewed so differently by blacks and whites -- that it calls out for a national chat, perhaps a national therapy session.

It is amazing that this still requires clarification, but here it is. Black people get a little testy when white people call them ''articulate.''

Though it was little noted, on Wednesday President Bush on the Fox News Channel also described Mr. Obama as ''articulate.'' On any given day, in any number of settings, it is likely to be one of the first things white people warmly remark about Oprah Winfrey; Richard Parsons, chief executive of Time Warner; Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice; Deval Patrick, the newly elected governor of Massachusetts; or a recently promoted black colleague at work.

A series of conversations about the word with a number of black public figures last week elicited the kind of frustrated responses often uttered between blacks, but seldom shared with whites.

''You hear it and you just think, 'Damn, this again?' '' said Michael Eric Dyson, a professor of humanities at the University of Pennsylvania.

Anna Perez, the former communications counselor for Ms. Rice when she was national security adviser, said, ''You just stand and wonder, 'When will this foolishness end?' ''

Said Reginald Hudlin, president of entertainment for Black Entertainment Television: ''It makes me weary, literally tired, like, 'Do I really want to spend my time right now educating this person?' ''

So what is the problem with the word? Whites do not normally object when it is used to describe them. And it is not as if articulate black people do not wish to be thought of as that. The characterization is most often meant as a form of praise.

''Look, what I was attempting to be, but not very artfully, is complimentary,'' Mr. Biden explained to Jon Stewart on Wednesday on ''The Daily Show.'' ''This is an incredible guy. This is a phenomenon.''

What faint praise, indeed. Being articulate must surely be a baseline requirement for a former president of The Harvard Law Review. After all, Webster's definitions of the word include ''able to speak'' and ''expressing oneself easily and clearly.'' It would be more incredible, more of a phenomenon, to borrow two more of the senator's puzzling words, if Mr. Obama were inarticulate.

That is the core of the issue. When whites use the word in reference to blacks, it often carries a subtext of amazement, even bewilderment. It is similar to praising a female executive or politician by calling her ''tough'' or ''a rational decision-maker.''

''When people say it, what they are really saying is that someone is articulate for a black person,'' Ms. Perez said.

Such a subtext is inherently offensive because it suggests that the recipient of the ''compliment'' is notably different from other black people.

''Historically, it was meant to signal the exceptional Negro,'' Mr. Dyson said. ''The implication is that most black people do not have the capacity to engage in articulate speech, when white people are automatically assumed to be articulate.''

And such distinctions discount as inarticulate historically black patterns of speech. ''Al Sharpton is incredibly articulate,'' said Tricia Rose, professor of Africana Studies at Brown University. ''But because he speaks with a cadence and style that is firmly rooted in black rhetorical tradition you will rarely hear white people refer to him as articulate.''

While many white people do not automatically recognize how, and how often, the word is applied, many black people can recall with clarity the numerous times it has stopped them in their tracks.

Melissa Harris-Lacewell, professor of politics and African-American studies at Princeton University, said her first notable encounter with the word was back in high school in Chester, Va., when she was dating the school's star football player. In post-game interviews and news stories she started to notice that he was always referred to as articulate.

''They never said that about the white quarterback,'' she said, ''yet they couldn't help but say it about my boyfriend.''

William E. Kennard, a managing director of the Carlyle Group and a former chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, recalled that in his days as partner at a Washington law firm in the early 1990s written reviews of prospective black hires almost always included the words, ''articulate and poised.'' The characterization was so consistent and in such stark contrast to the notes taken on white job applicants that he mentioned it to his fellow partners.

''It was a law firm; all of the people interviewing for jobs were articulate,'' said Mr. Kennard, 50, who is also on the board of The New York Times Company. ''And yet my colleagues seemed struck by that quality in black applicants.''

The comedian and actor D. L. Hughley, a frequent guest on HBO's ''Real Time With Bill Maher,'' says that every time he appears on the show, where he riffs on the political and social issues of the day, people walk up to him afterward and tell him how ''smart and articulate'' his comments were.

''Everyone was up in arms about Michael Richards using the N-word, but subtle words like this are more insidious,'' Mr. Hughley said. ''It's like weight loss. The last few pounds are the hardest to get rid of. It's the last vestiges of racism that are hard to get rid of.''

Sometimes the ''articulate'' moniker is merely implied. My colleague Rachel Swarns and I chuckle wearily about the number of times we have finished interviews or casual conversations with people -- always white, more often male -- only to have the person end the meeting with some version of the statement, ''something about you reminds me of Condoleezza Rice.''

Neither Rachel nor I look anything like Ms. Rice, or each other for that matter, so the comparison is clearly not physical. The comment seems more a vocalized reach by the speaker for some sort of reference point, a context in which to understand us.

It is unlikely that whites will quickly or easily erase ''articulate'' and other damning forms of praise from the ways in which they discuss blacks. Listen for it in post-Super Bowl chatter, after the Academy Awards, at the next school board meeting or corporate retreat.

But here is a pointer. Do not use it as the primary attribute of note for a black person if you would not use it for a similarly talented, skilled or eloquent white person. Do not make it an outsized distinction for Brown University's president, Ruth Simmons, if you would not for the University of Michigan's president, Mary Sue Coleman. Do not make it the sole basis for your praise of the actor Forest Whitaker if it would never cross your mind to utter it about the expressive Peter O'Toole.

With the ballooning size of the black middle and upper class, qualities in blacks like intelligence, eloquence -- the mere ability to string sentences together with tenses intact -- must at some point become as unremarkable to whites as they are to blacks.

''How many flukes simply constitute reality?'' Mr. Hudlin asked, with amused dismay.

Well said.
 
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It’s not a trivial matter at all.
OReilly and Beck are both unapologetic racist; white supremacist
I sure I don’t have to post the dozens of audio & video clips of their racist bloviating just in the last 6 months to make that basic point. That’s their livelihood, just like Savage, Hannity, Rush etc.
White ‘HATE’ radio & television sells,$$$$$, it makes money. Dumb threatened white males love it. It reinforces every stereotype they have about women, Blacks, Hispanics, gays, etc. Sex radio and television sells even more $$$$$$$$, Howard Stern made 320 Million dollars last year.
Oreilly & Beck’s statements are willfully disingenuous with their statements. It reminds me of the time I arrived at work after the initial airing of the ‘ROOTS’ television series, and a white college told me that he didn’t like the series because <b>“It didn’t show any of the good slave masters”.</b> Read the article below for further ruminations about Blacks being “articulate”. </font>

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<font face="arial black" size="6" color="#d90000">
The Racial Politics of Speaking Well</font>
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February 4th 2007
<img src="http://www4.wittenberg.edu/news/2004/03_10a.jpg" width="133" height="199"><br>
by Lynette Clemetson</b>

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F70612FB395B0C778CDDAB0894DF404482

SENATOR JOSEPH R. BIDEN'S characterization of his fellow Democratic presidential contender Senator Barack Obama as ''the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy'' was so painfully clumsy that it nearly warranted pity.

There are not enough column inches on this page to parse interpretations of each of Mr. Biden's chosen adjectives. But among his string of loaded words, one is so pervasive -- and is generally used and viewed so differently by blacks and whites -- that it calls out for a national chat, perhaps a national therapy session.

It is amazing that this still requires clarification, but here it is. Black people get a little testy when white people call them ''articulate.''

Though it was little noted, on Wednesday President Bush on the Fox News Channel also described Mr. Obama as ''articulate.'' On any given day, in any number of settings, it is likely to be one of the first things white people warmly remark about Oprah Winfrey; Richard Parsons, chief executive of Time Warner; Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice; Deval Patrick, the newly elected governor of Massachusetts; or a recently promoted black colleague at work.

A series of conversations about the word with a number of black public figures last week elicited the kind of frustrated responses often uttered between blacks, but seldom shared with whites.

''You hear it and you just think, 'Damn, this again?' '' said Michael Eric Dyson, a professor of humanities at the University of Pennsylvania.

Anna Perez, the former communications counselor for Ms. Rice when she was national security adviser, said, ''You just stand and wonder, 'When will this foolishness end?' ''

Said Reginald Hudlin, president of entertainment for Black Entertainment Television: ''It makes me weary, literally tired, like, 'Do I really want to spend my time right now educating this person?' ''

So what is the problem with the word? Whites do not normally object when it is used to describe them. And it is not as if articulate black people do not wish to be thought of as that. The characterization is most often meant as a form of praise.

''Look, what I was attempting to be, but not very artfully, is complimentary,'' Mr. Biden explained to Jon Stewart on Wednesday on ''The Daily Show.'' ''This is an incredible guy. This is a phenomenon.''

What faint praise, indeed. Being articulate must surely be a baseline requirement for a former president of The Harvard Law Review. After all, Webster's definitions of the word include ''able to speak'' and ''expressing oneself easily and clearly.'' It would be more incredible, more of a phenomenon, to borrow two more of the senator's puzzling words, if Mr. Obama were inarticulate.

That is the core of the issue. When whites use the word in reference to blacks, it often carries a subtext of amazement, even bewilderment. It is similar to praising a female executive or politician by calling her ''tough'' or ''a rational decision-maker.''

''When people say it, what they are really saying is that someone is articulate for a black person,'' Ms. Perez said.

Such a subtext is inherently offensive because it suggests that the recipient of the ''compliment'' is notably different from other black people.

''Historically, it was meant to signal the exceptional Negro,'' Mr. Dyson said. ''The implication is that most black people do not have the capacity to engage in articulate speech, when white people are automatically assumed to be articulate.''

And such distinctions discount as inarticulate historically black patterns of speech. ''Al Sharpton is incredibly articulate,'' said Tricia Rose, professor of Africana Studies at Brown University. ''But because he speaks with a cadence and style that is firmly rooted in black rhetorical tradition you will rarely hear white people refer to him as articulate.''

While many white people do not automatically recognize how, and how often, the word is applied, many black people can recall with clarity the numerous times it has stopped them in their tracks.

Melissa Harris-Lacewell, professor of politics and African-American studies at Princeton University, said her first notable encounter with the word was back in high school in Chester, Va., when she was dating the school's star football player. In post-game interviews and news stories she started to notice that he was always referred to as articulate.

''They never said that about the white quarterback,'' she said, ''yet they couldn't help but say it about my boyfriend.''

William E. Kennard, a managing director of the Carlyle Group and a former chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, recalled that in his days as partner at a Washington law firm in the early 1990s written reviews of prospective black hires almost always included the words, ''articulate and poised.'' The characterization was so consistent and in such stark contrast to the notes taken on white job applicants that he mentioned it to his fellow partners.

''It was a law firm; all of the people interviewing for jobs were articulate,'' said Mr. Kennard, 50, who is also on the board of The New York Times Company. ''And yet my colleagues seemed struck by that quality in black applicants.''

The comedian and actor D. L. Hughley, a frequent guest on HBO's ''Real Time With Bill Maher,'' says that every time he appears on the show, where he riffs on the political and social issues of the day, people walk up to him afterward and tell him how ''smart and articulate'' his comments were.

''Everyone was up in arms about Michael Richards using the N-word, but subtle words like this are more insidious,'' Mr. Hughley said. ''It's like weight loss. The last few pounds are the hardest to get rid of. It's the last vestiges of racism that are hard to get rid of.''

Sometimes the ''articulate'' moniker is merely implied. My colleague Rachel Swarns and I chuckle wearily about the number of times we have finished interviews or casual conversations with people -- always white, more often male -- only to have the person end the meeting with some version of the statement, ''something about you reminds me of Condoleezza Rice.''

Neither Rachel nor I look anything like Ms. Rice, or each other for that matter, so the comparison is clearly not physical. The comment seems more a vocalized reach by the speaker for some sort of reference point, a context in which to understand us.

It is unlikely that whites will quickly or easily erase ''articulate'' and other damning forms of praise from the ways in which they discuss blacks. Listen for it in post-Super Bowl chatter, after the Academy Awards, at the next school board meeting or corporate retreat.

But here is a pointer. Do not use it as the primary attribute of note for a black person if you would not use it for a similarly talented, skilled or eloquent white person. Do not make it an outsized distinction for Brown University's president, Ruth Simmons, if you would not for the University of Michigan's president, Mary Sue Coleman. Do not make it the sole basis for your praise of the actor Forest Whitaker if it would never cross your mind to utter it about the expressive Peter O'Toole.

With the ballooning size of the black middle and upper class, qualities in blacks like intelligence, eloquence -- the mere ability to string sentences together with tenses intact -- must at some point become as unremarkable to whites as they are to blacks.

''How many flukes simply constitute reality?'' Mr. Hudlin asked, with amused dismay.

Well said.
 
We need to look at the meaning of the word, which in its simplest form means "able to speak."

If they said "eloquent" or "powerful" that would be a different story.

Im just hoping that white guilt and fear has them voting for Obama in 08.
 
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We need to look at the meaning of the word, which in its simplest form means "able to speak."

If they said "eloquent" or "powerful" that would be a different story.

Im just hoping that white guilt and fear has them voting for Obama in 08.
Sorry, but the reality is "white guilt" invariably disappears in the privacy of the voting booth. :smh:
 
*sigh* I sometimes ask myself who is more of a racist, the person who says the stuff, or the people who looks for stuff to consider one person a racist.

I'm prepared not to care how one person feels about a race, gender, ethnic group if that person does not make it their priority to try to persuade others to believe in the same way.

Now someone might consider this "cooning" or what not, but lets be real. I stay in the hood, and I try not to have too many friends in general. No matter what race they are. Most of the people who come at me sideways *on and off line* tend to be my own people.

Now on the record, I do not watch either Glenn Beck's show *due to work hours*, or O'reilly *due to his views on hip hop*. It's not about them not wanting too many black friends, its about what they consider to be "too many".
 
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