Bill Gross: How To Fix The Fractured U.S. Job Market

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There is a raging macro-economic policy debate about how to resuscitate the broken US economy. On one side we have the RepubliKlan cultists who worship at the altar of Ayn Rand’s psychopathic ideology. They want to further destroy the United States economy via further deregulation, further tax breaks for corporations and the top one-percent; who already enjoy the lowest tax rates in 55 years, —destroy collective bargaining (unions), end public education, end Medicare/ Medicaid, privatize Social Security; basically take us back to the McKinley era.

On the other side you have Nobel prize winning economists, US business leaders, top university academics, top military officials, top wall street traders, top international architects, who reject the “the race to the bottom”; solely motivated by the “me-myself-and-I” philosophy of the more money I can make for myself — FUCK EVERYBODY else, — the better it is for me and it will prove what a great person I am.

This group realizes that nation states (countries) must collect an appropriate level of taxes from all citizens and businesses and that a part of the revenue collected should be used to enhance & upgrade the country’s infrastructure. 15 percent tax rate for hedge-fund billionaire traders is not congruous with reality if one is concerned about the collective (the entire country) and not solely the individual.

The Orwellian propaganda talking point — “these are the job creators” — is insidious bullshit. These guys are buying more private jets, houses and hoes; NOT creating jobs. Private jet sales are booming- there is a waiting list. Even the communist Chinese capitalist mandarins who rule with an iron grip understand this, they have a top tax rate of 50% for the millionaires and billionaires that their 9% annual growth economy is creating . Their new modern airports make ours look 75 years old. They have more high speed 200mph rail (the US has none). They lead in solar technology implementation ironically using technology and patents invented in the United States. With trillions of US company cash off shore and the lowest tax rates on business and the top one-percent in 55 years, and of course the complete rape of the US economy by the banksters; US economic growth is struggling just to try to hit 3% annual growth. China 9% growth. US less than 3% growth.

Trillion dollar bond trader Bill Gross’ essay points out the reality that without an equilibrium between taxes, spending and an industrial policy —government financed infrastructure spending to modernize the US — the United States has no chance of creating the 20 million good jobs that are needed over the next ten years. The RepubliKlan race-to-the-bottom plan will permanently impoverish America. A Wal-Mart job is a neo-slave job. Think about it. 77% of the stuff on Wal-Mart’s shelf is imported from China, where workers are paid $200 a month. If you work at Wal-Mart earning poverty wages, ($8 - $10 dollars per hour) when you get paid where do you shop for your food and clothes? Wal-Mart of course because you get an employee discount. So before you even leave work, Wal-Mart has retained a significant portion of the poverty wages that they paid you. This looks like share-cropping or serfdom to me The RepubliKlans point to Texas as the economic model for the nation. The largest private employer in Texas is— Wal-Mart.


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Bill Gross: How To Fix The Fractured U.S. Job Market

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Bill Gross
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Mr. Gross is a founder, managing director and co-CIO of PIMCO based in the Newport Beach office. He has been with PIMCO since he co-founded the firm in 1971 and oversees the management of more than $1 trillion of securities. He is the author of numerous articles on the bond market, as well as the book, "Everything You’ve Heard About Investing is Wrong," published in 1997. Among the awards he has received, Morningstar named Mr. Gross and his investment team Fixed Income Manager of the Decade for 2000-2009 and Fixed Income Manager of the Year for 1998, 2000, and 2007 (the first three-time recipient). He received the Bond Market Association’s Distinguished Service Award in 2000 and became the first portfolio manager inducted into the Fixed Income Analysts Society's hall of fame in 1996. Mr. Gross is a seven-time Barron's Roundtable panelist (2005-2011), appearing in the annual issue featuring the industry's top investment experts, and he received the Money Management Lifetime Achievement Award from Institutional Investor magazine in 2011. In a survey conducted by Pensions and Investments magazine in 1993, he was recognized by his peers as the most influential authority on the bond market in the U.S. He has 41 years of investment experience and holds an MBA from the Anderson School of Management at the University of California, Los Angeles. He received his undergraduate degree from Duke University.
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The following is the commentary of Bill Gross, managing director and co-CIO at Pimco, for the month of July.


This article was originally referenced
HERE

by Bill Gross

July 5, 2011


http://www.investmentnews.com/article/20110705/FREE/110709990

A mind is a precious thing to waste, so why are millions of America's students wasting theirs by going to college? All of us who have been there know an undergraduate education is primarily a four year vacation interrupted by periodic bouts of cramming or Google plagiarizing, but at least it used to serve a purpose. It weeded out underachievers and proved at a minimum that you could pass an SAT test. For those who made it to the good schools, it proved that your parents had enough money to either bribe administrators or hire SAT tutors to increase your score by 500 points. And a degree represented that the graduate could “party hearty” for long stretches of time and establish social networking skills that would prove invaluable later on at office cocktail parties or interactively via Facebook. College was great as long as the jobs were there.

Now, however, a growing number of skeptics wonder whether it's worth the time or the cost. Peter Thiel, an early investor in Facebook and head of Clarium Capital, a long-standing hedge fund, has actually established a foundation to give 20 $100,000 grants to teenagers who would drop out of school and become not just tech entrepreneurs but world-changing visionaries. College, in his and the minds of many others, is stultifying and outdated – overpriced and mismanaged – with very little value created despite the bump in earnings power that universities use as their raison d'être in our modern world of money.

Fact: College tuition has increased at a rate 6% higher than the general rate of inflation for the past 25 years, making it four times as expensive relative to other goods and services as it was in 1985. (Click here for a list of the ten most expensive colleges and universities in the U.S.) Subjective explanation: University administrators have a talent for increasing top line revenues via tuition, but lack the spine necessary to upgrade academic productivity. Professorial tenure and outdated curricula focusing on liberal arts instead of a more practical global agenda focusing on math and science are primary culprits.

Fact: The average college graduate now leaves school with $24,000 of debt and total student loans now exceed this nation's credit card debt at $1.0 trillion and counting (7% of our national debt). Subjective explanation: Universities are run for the benefit of the adult establishment, both politically and financially, not students. To radically change the system and to question the sanctity of a college education would be to jeopardize trillions of misdirected investment dollars and financial obligations.

Conclusion to ponder: American citizens and its universities have experienced an ivy-laden ivory tower for the past half century. Students, however, can no longer assume that a four year degree will be the golden ticket to a good job in a global economy that cares little for their social networking skills and more about what their labor is worth on the global marketplace.

Fareed Zakaria, as usual, has a well-thought-out solution. “We need,” he writes, “a program as ambitious as the GI Bill,” but one that focuses on retraining existing unemployed workers and redirecting our future students. Instead of liberal arts, he suggests focusing on technical education, technical institutes and polytechnics as well as apprenticeship programs. Our penchant for focusing on high tech value-added jobs should be modified and redirected, he claims, to mimic the German path, which allows people with good technical skills but limited college education to earn a decent living.

One thing college does do is to keep 25 million students off the unemployment rolls, much like it did for me when I went on my own four year vacation. The world was a different oyster in 1966, however, and it behooves America to recognize the reversal and the necessity for significant changes if it is to compete in the global marketplace of the 21st century.

It is becoming obvious that the 2012 election will be fought on a battlefield of job creation. A 9.1% official unemployment rate, and a number nearly double that when discouraged and part-time workers are included in the rolls, portend an angry and disillusioned electorate, which will include millions of jobless college graduates ill-trained to compete in the global marketplace. Over the past 10 years under both Democratic and Republican administrations, only 1.8 million jobs have been created while the available labor force has grown by over 15 million. It is clear, however, that neither party has an awareness of the why or the wherefores of how to put America back to work again. Few economic advisors from either party ever mention structural long-term disconnects in employment – a recognition that cyclical influences will no longer dominate the U.S. labor market. Manufacturing and goods exports have ceded enormous ground to China and other developing labor markets, as America's reliance on services and high tech innovation has exposed gaping holes in an historically successful model. Almost any industry dominated or significantly connected to finance and financial leverage has hit the canvas and stayed down in the aftermath of Lehman 2008. Housing construction, real estate brokerage, banking and consumer retail employment will likely never come back to levels dominated by our prior decade's excessive leverage and its abuse leading to overconsumption. Because of that focus, a “shovel-ready,” vigorous manufacturing sector is not there to pick up the slack.

Similarly, the high tech paragons of the 21st century – Apple, Microsoft, Google, Facebook et al. – never were employers of high school or B.A. college graduates in significant numbers. Production of hardware, to the extent that any was needed, quickly gravitated to foreign ports of call where workers were willing to produce an excellent product for 1/10th of the U.S. wage. The past several decades have witnessed an erosion of our manufacturing base in exchange for a reliance on wealth creation via financial assets. Now, as that road approaches a dead-end cul-de-sac via interest rates that can go no lower, we are left untrained, underinvested and overindebted relative to our global competitors. The precipitating cause of our structural employment break is both internal neglect and external competition. Blame us. Blame them. There's plenty of blame to go around.

Solutions from policymakers on the right or left, however, seem focused almost exclusively on rectifying or reducing our budget deficit as a panacea. While Democrats favor tax increases and mild adjustments to entitlements, Republicans pound the table for trillions of dollars of spending cuts and an axing of Obamacare. Both, however, somewhat mystifyingly, believe that balancing the budget will magically produce 20 million jobs over the next 10 years. President Obama's long-term budget makes just such a claim and Republican alternatives go many steps further. Former Governor Pawlenty of Minnesota might be the Republicans' extreme example, but his claim of 5% real growth based on tax cuts and entitlement reductions comes out of left field or perhaps the field of dreams. The United States has not had a sustained period of 5% real growth for nearly 60 years.
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Both parties, in fact, are moving to anti-Keynesian policy orientations, which deny additional stimulus and make rather awkward and unsubstantiated claims that if you balance the budget, “they will come.” It is envisioned that corporations or investors will somehow overnight be attracted to the revived competitiveness of the U.S. labor market: Politicians feel that fiscal conservatism equates to job growth. It's difficult to believe, however, that an American-based corporation, with profits as its primary focus, can somehow be wooed back to American soil with a feeble and historically unjustified assurance that Social Security will be now secure or that medical care inflation will disinflate. Admittedly, those are long-term requirements for a stable and healthy economy, but fiscal balance alone will not likely produce 20 million jobs over the next decade. The move towards it, in fact, if implemented too quickly, could stultify economic growth. Fed Chairman Bernanke has said as much, suggesting the urgency of a congressional medium-term plan to reduce the deficit but that immediate cuts are self-defeating if they were to undercut the still-fragile economy.</b></span>

Academics also point to a theory known as Ricardian equivalence, a notion named after David Ricardo from the early 19th century. His ivory tower theorem was that consumers would become more and more confident of their financial future if in fact they believed that their own government's exuberance would be held in check. Balance the U.S. or any government budget, he prophesized, and the private sector would extend and lever theirs. Well, commonsensically and anecdotally, I know of no family who, after watching the Republican candidates' debate in New Hampshire, went out the next day and bought themselves a flat screen under the assumption that their Medicare entitlements would be cut in future years and the U.S. budget balanced. Ricardo and his “equivalence” belong in the trash bin of theses and research aimed more towards academics than a practical remedy to America's job crisis.

What then, shall we do? My preferred solution has long- term elements, which includes the opening language in this Investment Outlook, concerning the value of a college education as currently structured. Peter Thiel may be on to something, but all of our

kids just can't up and quit college à la Bill Gates. Still, if we are to compete globally while maintaining a higher wage base, we must train for “middle” in addition to “high” tech. Philosophy, sociology and liberal arts agendas will no longer suffice. Skill-based education is a must, as is science and math.

Additionally and immediately, however, government must take a leading role in job creation. Conservative or even liberal agendas that cede responsibility for job creation to the private sector over the next few years are simply dazed or perhaps crazed. The private sector is the source of long-term job creation but in the short term, no rational observer can believe that global or even small businesses will invest here when the labor over there is so much cheaper. That is why trillions of dollars of corporate cash rest impotently on balance sheets awaiting global – non-U.S. – investment opportunities. Our labor force is too expensive and poorly educated for today's marketplace.

In the near term, then, we should not rely solely on job or corporate-directed payroll tax credits because corporations may not take enough of that bait, and they're sitting pretty as it is. Government must step up to the plate, as it should have in early 2009. An infrastructure bank to fund badly needed reconstruction projects is a commonly accepted idea, despite the limitations of the original “shovel-ready” stimulus program in 2009. Disparate experts such as GE's Jeff Immelt, Fareed Zakaria, Jeffrey Sachs and Paul Krugman believe an infrastructure bank to be an excellent use of deficit funds: a true investment in our future. While the current administration admits that the $25 billion in Recovery Act spending on infrastructure only created 150,000 jobs, it also stabilized and improved this nation's productivity for years to come. Clean/green energy investments also come to mind, most of which require government funding and a government thrust in order to create millions of jobs. China knows this and is off and running. The U.S. needs to learn from their state-oriented model. In times of extremis, pushing on the private sector string is ineffective, especially within the context of a global marketplace that offers alternative investment locations. Government must temporarily assume a bigger, not a smaller, role in this economy, if only because other countries are dominating job creation with kick-start policies that eventually dominate global markets.

And how about at least an intelligent discussion on “trade policy” which incorporates more than just a symbolic bashing of Chinese currency relative to the dollar. Who, from either side of the aisle is willing to discuss the use of trade measures in order to help balance our $500 billion trade deficit? This is delicate territory, reawakening fears of Smoot-Hawley in the 1930s, but we are in delicate territory regarding our unemployment rate as well. Warren Buffett in 2003 advocated an idea he called “Import

Credits” which he claimed would increase exports in the hundreds of billions and jobs in the hundreds of thousands. Republicans? Democrats? Discussion please.

In the end, I hearken back to revered economist Hyman Minsky – a modern-day economic godfather who predicted the subprime crisis. “Big Government,” he wrote, should become the “employer of last resort” in a crisis, offering a job to anyone who wants one – for health care, street cleaning, or slum renovation. FDR had a program for it – the CCC, Civilian Conservation Corps, and Barack Obama can do the same. Economist David Rosenberg of Gluskin Sheff sums up my feelings rather well. “I'd have a shovel in the hands of the long-term unemployed from 8am to noon, and from 1pm to 5pm I'd have them studying algebra, physics, and geometry.” Deficits are important, but their immediate reduction can wait for a stronger economy and lower unemployment. Jobs are today's and tomorrow's immediate problem.
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Those who advocate that job creation rests on corporate tax reform (lower taxes) or a return to deregulation of the private economy always fail to address dominant structural headwinds which cannot be dismissed: 1) Labor is much more attractively priced over there than here, and 2) U.S. employment based on asset price appreciation/finance as opposed to manufacturing can no longer be sustained. The “golden” days are over, and it's time our school and jobs “daze” comes to an end to be replaced by programs that do more than mimic failed establishment policies favoring Wall as opposed to Main Street.</b></span>



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How to fix it? Start with these taxes.


Comprehensive List of Obama Tax Hikes
Which one of these tax hikes will destroy the most jobs?

Since taking office, President Barack Obama has signed into law twenty-one new or higher taxes:

1. A 156 percent increase in the federal excise tax on tobacco: On February 4, 2009, just sixteen days into his Administration, Obama signed into law a 156 percent increase in the federal excise tax on tobacco, a hike of 61 cents per pack. The median income of smokers is just over $36,000 per year.

2. Obamacare Individual Mandate Excise Tax (takes effect in Jan 2014): Starting in 2014, anyone not buying “qualifying” health insurance must pay an income surtax according to the higher of the following

1 Adult
2 Adults
3+ Adults
2014
1% AGI/$95
1% AGI/$190
1% AGI/$285
2015
2% AGI/$325
2% AGI/$650
2% AGI/$975
2016 +
2.5% AGI/$695
2.5% AGI/$1390
2.5% AGI/$2085

Exemptions for religious objectors, undocumented immigrants, prisoners, those earning less than the poverty line, members of Indian tribes, and hardship cases (determined by HHS). Bill: PPACA; Page: 317-337

3. Obamacare Employer Mandate Tax (takes effect Jan. 2014): If an employer does not offer health coverage, and at least one employee qualifies for a health tax credit, the employer must pay an additional non-deductible tax of $2000 for all full-time employees. Applies to all employers with 50 or more employees. If any employee actually receives coverage through the exchange, the penalty on the employer for that employee rises to $3000. If the employer requires a waiting period to enroll in coverage of 30-60 days, there is a $400 tax per employee ($600 if the period is 60 days or longer). Bill: PPACA; Page: 345-346
Combined score of individual and employer mandate tax penalty: $65 billion/10 years

4. Obamacare Surtax on Investment Income (Tax hike of $123 billion/takes effect Jan. 2013): Creation of a new, 3.8 percent surtax on investment income earned in households making at least $250,000 ($200,000 single). This would result in the following top tax rates on investment income: Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 87-93

Capital Gains
Dividends
Other*
2011-2012
15%
15%
35%
2013+ (current law)
23.8%
43.4%
43.4%
2013+ (Obama budget)
23.8%
23.8%
43.4%

*Other unearned income includes (for surtax purposes) gross income from interest, annuities, royalties, net rents, and passive income in partnerships and Subchapter-S corporations. It does not include municipal bond interest or life insurance proceeds, since those do not add to gross income. It does not include active trade or business income, fair market value sales of ownership in pass-through entities, or distributions from retirement plans. The 3.8% surtax does not apply to non-resident aliens.

5. Obamacare Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans (Tax hike of $32 bil/takes effect Jan. 2018): Starting in 2018, new 40 percent excise tax on “Cadillac” health insurance plans ($10,200 single/$27,500 family). Higher threshold ($11,500 single/$29,450 family) for early retirees and high-risk professions. CPI +1 percentage point indexed. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,941-1,956
6. Obamacare Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax (Tax hike of $86.8 bil/takes effect Jan. 2013): Current law and changes:

First $200,000
($250,000 Married)
Employer/Employee
All Remaining Wages
Employer/Employee
Current Law
1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed
1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed
Obamacare Tax Hike
1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed
1.45%/2.35%
3.8% self-employed

Bill: PPACA, Reconciliation Act; Page: 2000-2003; 87-93
7. Obamacare Medicine Cabinet Tax (Tax hike of $5 bil/took effect Jan. 2011): Americans no longer able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin). Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,957-1,959

8. Obamacare HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike (Tax hike of $1.4 bil/took effect Jan. 2011): Increases additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAs and other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,959
9. Obamacare Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka “Special Needs Kids Tax” (Tax hike of $13 bil/takes effect Jan. 2013): Imposes cap on FSAs of $2500 (now unlimited). Indexed to inflation after 2013. There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children. There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education. Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D.C. (National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14,000 per year. Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,388-2,389

10. Obamacare Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers (Tax hike of $20 bil/takes effect Jan. 2013): Medical device manufacturers employ 360,000 people in 6000 plants across the country. This law imposes a new 2.3% excise tax. Exempts items retailing for <$100. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,980-1,986

11. Obamacare "Haircut" for Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI (Tax hike of $15.2 bil/takes effect Jan. 2013): Currently, those facing high medical expenses are allowed a deduction for medical expenses to the extent that those expenses exceed 7.5 percent of adjusted gross income (AGI). The new provision imposes a threshold of 10 percent of AGI. Waived for 65+ taxpayers in 2013-2016 only. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,994-1,995

12. Obamacare Tax on Indoor Tanning Services (Tax hike of $2.7 billion/took effect July 2010): New 10 percent excise tax on Americans using indoor tanning salons. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,397-2,399

13. Obamacare elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage in coordination with Medicare Part D (Tax hike of $4.5 bil/takes effect Jan. 2013) Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,994

14. Obamacare Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike (Tax hike of $0.4 bil/took effect Jan. 1 2010): The special tax deduction in current law for Blue Cross/Blue Shield companies would only be allowed if 85 percent or more of premium revenues are spent on clinical services. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,004

15. Obamacare Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals (Min$/took effect immediately): $50,000 per hospital if they fail to meet new "community health assessment needs," "financial assistance," and "billing and collection" rules set by HHS. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,961-1,971

16. Obamacare Tax on Innovator Drug Companies (Tax hike of $22.2 bil/took effect Jan. 2010): $2.3 billion annual tax on the industry imposed relative to share of sales made that year. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,971-1,980

17. Obamacare Tax on Health Insurers (Tax hike of $60.1 bil/takes effect Jan. 2014): Annual tax on the industry imposed relative to health insurance premiums collected that year. Phases in gradually until 2018. Fully-imposed on firms with $50 million in profits. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,986-1,993

18. Obamacare $500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives (Tax hike of $0.6 bil/takes effect Jan 2013). Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,995-2,000

19. Obamacare Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2 ($min/takes effect Jan. 2012): Preamble to taxing health benefits on individual tax returns. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,957

20. Obamacare “Black liquor” tax hike (Tax hike of $23.6 billion/took effect immediately). This is a tax increase on a type of bio-fuel. Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 105

21. Obamacare Codification of the “economic substance doctrine” (Tax hike of $4.5 billion/took effect immediately). This provision allows the IRS to disallow completely-legal tax deductions and other legal tax-minimizing plans just because the IRS deems that the action lacks “substance” and is merely intended to reduce taxes owed. Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 108-113


Read more: http://www.atr.org/comprehensive-list-obama-tax-hikes-a6433#ixzz1XSEUTB1i

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Google Chairman Eric Schmidt states the obvious truth that one learns in the first course you take in business school. There must be DEMAND from consumers in order for businesses to hire more workers. Tax Cuts for business DO NOT encourage hiring only DEMAND for the product or service the business sells will create hiring (JOBS).


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They Don't Want To Hire You

Sept. 20, 2011

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/09/20/1017136/-They-Dont-Want-To-Hire-You?detail=hide


One again, John Boehner thinks he has his finger on the pulse of the American economy . . . and if paramedics were that far off finding a pulse, they'd be trying to check it by groping your right calf.

"The job creators are on strike", he's told us - because, obviously, the problem is that we've angered the Randian Supermen on high, and now they're taking their toys and going home. The fear that they may not continue to be taxed at the lowest rate in decades, and may instead start getting squeezed by the second-lowest, has them holing up with their vast hoards like Smaug the dragon, and they will no more rain down jobs upon us out of the goodness of their golden hearts.

That's moronic. Boehner and all the other self-declared "pro-business" conservatives are acting on an ideological fantasy that bears no relation to how business actually works - namely, that businesses are hell-bent to add to their payrolls, if only taxes were lowered and regulations rolled back. If they could pad their profits just a little, the "job creators" would be out there hiring right now.

Here's the truth: they don't want to hire you. And that's not just the economy, or tax policy, or profit margins, or the weird, Galtian "strike" that Boehner thinks the top 1% are taking now. It's not just your resume or that long stint of unemployment you've just had. They don't want to hire anybody. Ever.

Say I decided to start a small business. Going with what I know, I decide to take the amateur wine-making I'm doing in a spare closet and try taking it commercial.

I need a commercial space. I need equipment to make the wine in bulk - 1000-liter stainless steel tanks, a six-spout bottle filler, filters and pumps, lab equipment. I need to learn, and then conform to, the stringent health and cleanliness requirements for businesses producing something human beings are going to consume. Then I need to find a good source of quality fruit that can supply the volume I need. I need to get good yeast lines, and set up what I need to care for the little buggers.

Press the fruit, stir the wine-must, manage fermentation, clean meticulously to keep within the regulations. I'm working 80-hour weeks, or more, trying to get my business off the ground. I'm living at the winery. I'm sleeping on the floor.

What I'm not doing is hiring someone else. Not yet. Assuming I started turning a profit, I'd upgrade my equipment first. I'd trade in that bottle filler and shell out the extra for an automated bottling line, to streamline my process and reduce my workload. If I'm selling faster than I can produce, I'll get an extra tank and ramp up production.

And then - if the workload became more than I could keep up with - I'd hire someone. Only then. Because until then, it's money I don't need to spend. So I don't - for as long as I can possibly avoid it. And at every step beyond that, every time the business grew, I'd put off the next hire for as long as I could. And the next one. My business would grow as fast as I could manage. My payroll would grow as slowly as I could manage. Because that's how businesses operate.

They don't want to hire you.

Employees are a cost, a necessary evil, like taxes or leases or equipment maintenance. Businesses are no more willing to hire extra employees than they are to buy extra office furniture. They only hire when they have to, when there's demand - when there are so many people, with so much money, coming through their doors that extra hands are the only way to keep up.

It's customers that want you employed. Customers want to buy stuff, and they want it delivered, and they want to be able to call someone at 2 a.m. when they can't figure out what the stupid instructions are telling them about how to make it work. They want someone to be right there at the counter when they walk up, someone refilling their water glass every time it gets half-empty at lunch, someone offering them spritzes of sample perfume as they stroll through the cosmetics department. They want enough bottles of Jaxpagan's Special Reserve Blueberry Wine on the shelves that there's still at least one sitting there when they stop by to pick one up on the way home.

It's those customers, clamoring at my door for more blueberry wine (it's really, really good blueberry wine), that will finally make me hire someone. And even then, I'll hire them as cheaply as I can, for as few hours as I can, and for as short a term as I can.

Know what every small business with five employees wants? To find a way to do the same job with four employees.

It's those customers again, coming back day after day, that make me realize I'll need extra hands on a permanent basis, even if I manage to streamline the work. It's that need that gets me doing the math on hiring and training new workers over and over, or just hiring permament workers. It's that pressure, applied across the whole commercial sector, that puts me in competition to hire the good workers, so I can get the most for my money. And it's that competition that makes me start pimping better benefits and/or working conditions to be more attractive as an employer.

I don't do any of that of my own free will. I don't do it just because I'm nice. I sure as hell don't do it just because I'm raking in more money and I can afford to - what's the point of making more money just to spend it on business stuff? That's not getting me my private zoo - and ye gods, do you have any idea what Lea Michele charges to pop out of a birthday cake?

Which gets to the point - we're now some thirty years into the delusional lunacy of supply-side economics, and there's still a whole end of the political spectrum that doesn't understand this simple truth: when rich people have more money, they spend it on themselves.

They buy big homes, yachts, solid-gold plumbing fixtures, genetically modified micro-giraffes. They play high-stakes poker. They play hedge funds and derivatives - which, honestly, is just as much about rich guys gambling among themselves for thrills as high stakes poker. And for that matter, high stakes poker has about as much to do with investment as hedge funds and derivatives.

And in all that, the only jobs that get created are for the people that serve drinks at the poker table, maintain the homes and yachts, work in precious-metal plumbing, and clean up after the micro-giraffe. In other words, the only jobs they actually create - or want to create - they create by being the customer.

Which would be awesome, if we could get the top 1% to roam the highways and biways of the land, criss-crossing the country week after week and running into every mom-and-pop they see to buy something. Then there could be an uptick in demand, and all those businesses might actually find the need to add to their payrolls ("Jeb, hire a stockboy - the Merry Banksters are supposed to swing through again next week").

But they don't. And they won't. Because however extravagantly they try to live, most of the hoard will ultimately stay tucked under Smaug's love handles. Even Paris Hilton couldn't shop constantly enough to keep all her money in circulation.

Supply-siders will never accept this. Either they really believe in their job-creation mythology, or they just want to win the favor of the super-rich for their own benefit. Maybe they want that micro-giraffe gig after it's all over. I don't know.

But we know what works - a strong middle class, millions of people with enough economic stability, confidence in the social safety net and disposable income to crowd into stores and buy stuff. Customers. We need to fight for the policies that build them up, protect them and pave their way.

Because they want to hire you.
 

.....The RepubliKlan race-to-the-bottom plan will permanently impoverish America. A Wal-Mart job is a neo-slave job. Think about it. 77% of the stuff on Wal-Mart’s shelf is imported from China, where workers are paid $200 a month. If you work at Wal-Mart earning poverty wages, ($8 - $10 dollars per hour) when you get paid where do you shop for your food and clothes? Wal-Mart of course because you get an employee discount. So before you even leave work, Wal-Mart has retained a significant portion of the poverty wages that they paid you. This looks like share-cropping or serfdom to me The RepubliKlans point to Texas as the economic model for the nation. The largest private employer in Texas is— Wal-Mart......


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Time To Make Your Own Luck


October 21, 2011

The largest private employer in the United States of America (WAL-MART) is tightening its belt, tightening that belt around the throats of the 1.3 million workers caught in its trap. The workers paradise of Walmart is cutting back on its expansive health care benefits program. That’s sarcasm if you didn’t guess, since most Walmart employees don’t get health coverage now and rely on Medicaid or good luck.

Republicans whine about the big government welfare state but think nothing of subsidizing employers by providing healthcare and food stamps for their employees while simultaneously pushing to eliminate the minimum wage the employers must pay.

<span style="background-color: YELLOW;"><b>Walmart will make what benefits it does offer unavailable for any new hire that doesn’t consistently work more the 24 hours per week for a year. Keeping workers hours restricted keeps them poor, and a second job will likely result in dismissal. Walmart will also double the premiums for many existing employees who almost all make less than $10.00/hour. When the minimum wage was established during the height of the Great Depression at at 25 cents/hour and would be, when adjusted for inflation, somewhere between $12 and $14/hour today.</b></span>

Keep in mind that 25 cents/hour was not big money even in 1938. That’s $2.00/day compared to the $5/day that Henry Ford was paying in 1910. The fact that Republicans don’t think anybody who works for a living is worthy of even 1938 starvation wages should tell you everything you need to know.

The corporate media is cluck-clucking about how Walmart has no choice but to do this given rising health costs and the bad economy. The funny thing is that in most markets where Walmart operates they have a virtual monopoly, they can charge any price they want to and do. When a Walmart comes into a community they selectively cut prices until all of their competition is gone. Even in larger communities they only share the market with other big box stores who operate much the same way.

Walmart is experiencing diminishing returns because they not only eliminate the retail merchants in the communities they establish their iron fisted occupation, but they do away with the private sector middle class entirely. Accountants, lawyers, bankers, pharmacists, doctors, dentists, hairstylists, automotive shops and tradesmen of all types are driven out as Walmart either competes directly and unfairly, or Walmart eliminates their markets by sucking the money out of the local economy.

All that is left to shop at the ideal Walmart are government workers, prison guards, illegals working at the packing plant and retired people. Enter Republican austerity, government jobs are eliminated, prisons while growing are paying lower wages to a smaller staff, even the packing plants are cutting back because of out sourcing and falling demand from a declining economy, and retirement benefits are being slashed while the wealth accumulated by a lifetime of hard work by those retirees is destroyed by Wall Street.

<span style="background-color: YELLOW;"><b>Not to fear for Walmart, the billionaire owners are doing better than ever, the workers can still be made to work even harder for ever less pay. The worse the economy gets, the more incentive workers have to comply. If they won’t, any job posting brings thousands of hungry applicants.</b></span>

<span style="background-color: YELLOW;"><b>The goal of course isn’t to destroy the economy but to convert it to a “full employment” Neo-feudalism model where there are plenty of incentives to work harder and to comply. All assets whether now private or in the public commons will become corporate assets. If you work hard enough, comply with the boss’s every whim and are just plain lucky you will be rewarded with almost enough of the things that make your life bearable like food and heat, right up until your luck runs out. Time to start making your own luck.</b></span>

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Google Chairman Eric Schmidt states the obvious truth that one learns in the first course you take in business school. <span style="background-color:yellow">There must be DEMAND from consumers in order for businesses to hire more workers.</span> Tax Cuts for business DO NOT encourage hiring <span style="background-color:yellow">only DEMAND for the product or service the business sells will create hiring (JOBS).</span>

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Autoworkers Pushed To Limit As Many Plants Max Out


May 22, 2012

Autoworkers pushed to limit as many plants max out

<span style="background-color:yellow">Automakers are pushing factories and workers to the limit to try to meet burgeoning Demand for new vehicles.</span>

Some plants are adding third work shifts. Others are piling on worker overtime and six-day weeks. Ford Motor and Chrysler Group are cutting out or reducing the annual two-week July shutdown at several plants this summer to add thousands of vehicles to their output.

"We have many plants working at maximum capacity now," says Ford spokeswoman Marcey Evans. "We're building as many (cars) as we can."

The auto recovery is a bright spot in the slow economic comeback, and President Obama has made it a cornerstone of his re-election campaign, saying his team saved Chrysler and General Motors with the government-run bankruptcies it says were the only alternative to collapse.

Republican rival Mitt Romney says the auto companies could have gone through a more normal bankruptcy, with government loan guarantees only part of the process.

The automakers' problem now is one they welcome:

<span style="background-color:yellow">It's hot Demand. Sales for 2012 are estimated at 14.3 million vehicles, according to IHS Automotive, up from 12.8 million last year......</span>

Read The Rest: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2012/05/auto-plants-ford-gm-chrysler/1



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May 22, 2012

Autoworkers pushed to limit as many plants max out

<span style="background-color:yellow">Automakers are pushing factories and workers to the limit to try to meet burgeoning Demand for new vehicles.</span>

Some plants are adding third work shifts. Others are piling on worker overtime and six-day weeks. Ford Motor and Chrysler Group are cutting out or reducing the annual two-week July shutdown at several plants this summer to add thousands of vehicles to their output.

"We have many plants working at maximum capacity now," says Ford spokeswoman Marcey Evans. "We're building as many (cars) as we can."

The auto recovery is a bright spot in the slow economic comeback, and President Obama has made it a cornerstone of his re-election campaign, saying his team saved Chrysler and General Motors with the government-run bankruptcies it says were the only alternative to collapse.

Republican rival Mitt Romney says the auto companies could have gone through a more normal bankruptcy, with government loan guarantees only part of the process.

The automakers' problem now is one they welcome:

<span style="background-color:yellow">It's hot Demand. Sales for 2012 are estimated at 14.3 million vehicles, according to IHS Automotive, up from 12.8 million last year......</span>

Read The Rest: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2012/05/auto-plants-ford-gm-chrysler/1


Knowing Detroit, this article is bullshit.

But, once I saw it was a bullshit story from a bullshit, state-run rag, USAToday, it all made sense.

It's like saying there are seats at the captain's table while the boat is sinking.

Detroit/SE Michigan is getting killed. If things were so good for GM, Ford, and Chrysler, why does Detroit need an emergency financial manager?

Why are schools closing?
Why is EMS/police response so bad?
Why did they get rid of bulk garbage pickup?
Why are the roads so bad?
Why is there so much homelessness?
Why are they demolishing so many homes?
Homesless and destroying homes... that makes sense.
I hear people complaining all over the place that there are no jobs... NONE! They can't get work at McDonalds.

Yet, the Big 3 are supposedly doing so well. USAToday is telling lies to those who like hearing lies and writing a fantasy for those who like reading fairy tales.
 
Knowing Detroit, this article is bullshit.

But, once I saw it was a bullshit story from a bullshit, state-run rag, USAToday, it all made sense.

It's like saying there are seats at the captain's table while the boat is sinking.

Detroit/SE Michigan is getting killed. If things were so good for GM, Ford, and Chrysler, why does Detroit need an emergency financial manager?

Why are schools closing?
Why is EMS/police response so bad?
Why did they get rid of bulk garbage pickup?
Why are the roads so bad?
Why is there so much homelessness?
Why are they demolishing so many homes?
Homesless and destroying homes... that makes sense.
I hear people complaining all over the place that there are no jobs... NONE! They can't get work at McDonalds.

Yet, the Big 3 are supposedly doing so well. USAToday is telling lies to those who like hearing lies and writing a fantasy for those who like reading fairy tales.


Tsk. Tsk.


If your going to say that the article is bullshit, implying that it incorrectly states the facts, for you to have any CREDIBILITY at all, it would be encumbent upon you to state FACTS to the contrary.

As usual, you brought NO FACTS -- just a score of rhetorical questions that are UNRELATED to the article.

If I may borrow a phrase from actinanass: TYPICAL.



 

Tsk. Tsk.


If your going to say that the article is bullshit, implying that it incorrectly states the facts, for you to have any CREDIBILITY at all, it would be encumbent upon you to state FACTS to the contrary.

As usual, you brought NO FACTS -- just a score of rhetorical questions that are UNRELATED to the article.

If I may borrow a phrase from actinanass: TYPICAL.




That's why you don't see what is happening. By the time you get it, it will be too late to do anything about it.

It's like those types who are ordering dinner while the ship is sinking. They were warned to get to the lifeboats, but it didn't come from the "authorities" or the "captain" or "reputable" sources with "facts" so therefore it wasn't a "real" warning.

USAToday puts out some fluff article about the domestic auto industry, and you believe that garbage, knowing the source. I know Detroit and am giving eyewitness testimony things are really bad.

Instead of heeding the warning, you want to act like the threat doesn't exist.

What can I say? That's your choice.
 
Knowing Detroit, this article is bullshit

“The article is bullshit” Really??:confused:

How deliberately ill-informed can you be.

I guess the Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg, The Boston Globe and 87 other news outlets are all lying about U.S. auto sales surging.

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-13/spark-in-sales-of-cars-and-trucks-drives-u-s-economy.html
http://www.boston.com/cars/news/articles/2012/05/11/auto_sales_may_be_best_in_40_years/
http://blogs.wsj.com/drivers-seat/2...fit-at-auto-nation-chain/?KEYWORDS=auto+sales


The automobile industry HAS NOTHING to do with the dire straits in the city of Detroit which is in Wayne county Michigan.

The pro basketball team the Detroit Pistons are named ”Detroit” but they do not actually play in “The City of Detroit” —they play in Auburn Hills which is in Oakland county Michigan.

The headquarters of Chrysler is also located NOT IN DETROIT but in Auburn Hills.

The name Detroit is a generic name used for all the surrounding counties, towns and cities within a 50 mile radius of metro Detroit.
Same thing here in my town New York City. People here who live Nassau county N.Y. or Westchester county N.Y., if you stopped them in the street they would all say “I live in New York” even though they don’t live ‘in the city’.

The actual city of Detroit is in ruins because of a former mayor named Kwame Kilpatrick. The city of Detroit might as well be the nuclear contaminated city of ‘Chernobyl’ in Russia after the disastrous tenure of Kilpatrick. I’m not going to go into all the details— do your own homework, you have an internet connection.

Suffice it to say that the city of Detroit’s tax base and finances and intellectual capital were plundered by Kilpatrick while he was having “Mansion Parties” using city money to drink, drug, & fuck & suck numerous hoes.

The rest of the surrounding “Greater Detroit” area is reviving quite nicely as the Michigan economy fueled in great part by the automobile industry that Romney wanted to liquidate, recovers.


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READ:

Black Enterprise's
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I'm going to, respectfully, ask those not from Detroit to refrain from posting! I just take these topics a little too personal cause I was born in the auto industry (worked union & management).

Yet, some want to point the finger at Kwame :smh: No, I'm not defending Kwame but give me a fuckin break! Stop buying off on the BULLSHIT

Of course, you want address issues that that ultimately led to the deindustrialization of the industry / city.

Even before that, you won't bring up "white flight" which took capital out of the city, which destroyed the city's tax base.

And its a ton of shit I'm not mentioning!

Its amazing how we can witness the bailout money being used to offshore operations in Brazil & China, and not seeing anything wrong with it!

These people are pissin on your heads and telling you its rain
 
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I'm going to, respectfully, ask those not from Detroit to refrain from posting! I just take these topics a little too personal cause I was born in the auto industry (worked union & management).

Yet, some want to point the finger at Kwame :smh: No, I'm not defending Kwame but give me a fuckin break! Stop buying off on the BULLSHIT

Of course, you want address issues that that ultimately led to the deindustrialization of the industry / city.

Even before that, you won't bring up "white flight" which took capital out of the city, which destroyed the city's tax base.

And its a ton of shit I'm not mentioning!

Its amazing how we can witness the bailout money being used to offshore operations in Brazil & China, and not seeing anything wrong with it!

These people are pissin on your heads and telling you its rain

Sometimes it feels like shouting at a wall when talking about Detroit.

So many adopt these white-created opinions about the way things are in the city without the faintest idea that they are being purely manipulated by the State-run media. You try to explain it and they just don't get it, and want to side with the whites and their version of what's happening.

I feel whites have been waging a non-stop campaign against Detroit because it is no longer a white city. It's as if once the whites lost political power, Detroit was no longer mentioned as a place to do business.

White flight hurt Detroit (Detroit still thrives), but it was really the bank credit that made the difference. When you can't get a loan to buy a home, maintain a property, or start a business, you effectively destroy a lot of the economic potential. Primarily, only the whites got loans, and some of the Arabs. Black people are still considered the enemy, in their own city, by the banks.
 
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Kwame failed!
Say it again; Kwame failed! His failure has nothing to do with the ancillary issues of outsourcing auto jobs to Mexico, inept management at GM, etc. White capital flight was due to their correct assessment (in my studied opinion) that Kwame had no interest in working with them to create an intelligent plan to revitalize downtown Detroit. Kwame and his crew acted like a gang — insisting that members of his crew be placed in key positions in these deals, regardless of their obvious lack of qualifications. You might argue that this is the way the municipal political game is played — and therefore why should the game change when a young (32 years old) Black guy is the mayor. You could make that argument but you would be Dead Wrong. Turning around the ‘city of Detroit’ was akin to a startup business not an old-line prosperous company where you can pad the payroll with place-holder functionaries who just collect a 6 figure check. Kwame and his crew saw Detroit as their piggybank to exploit. They were inept, presumptuous and couldn’t forward think. The white business community from all-over-the-nation initially reached out to him when he was elected. He became a national figure when he was elected. Youthful and the so-called “hip-hop” mayor he was on the morning breakfast shows “Today”, “Good Morning America” often. However when people and businesses with deals went to Detroit with proposals they found out he actually knew little and as we know now he was preoccupied with being the party mayor. Unlike real hip-hop shot-callers like Jay-Z, Diddy, Russell, Dr. Dre, there was no business team behind the “throne” who could look at the excel spreadsheets and negotiate intelligently. Kwame could have been Denver’s Wellington Webb, or Seattle’s Norm Rice, but he was interested in G’s up Hoes Down.
 

Kwame failed!
Say it again; Kwame failed! His failure has nothing to do with the ancillary issues of outsourcing auto jobs to Mexico, inept management at GM, etc. White capital flight was due to their correct assessment (in my studied opinion) that Kwame had no interest in working with them to create an intelligent plan to revitalize downtown Detroit. Kwame and his crew acted like a gang — insisting that members of his crew be placed in key positions in these deals, regardless of their obvious lack of qualifications. You might argue that this is the way the municipal political game is played — and therefore why should the game change when a young (32 years old) Black guy is the mayor. You could make that argument but you would be Dead Wrong. Turning around the ‘city of Detroit’ was akin to a startup business not an old-line prosperous company where you can pad the payroll with place-holder functionaries who just collect a 6 figure check. Kwame and his crew saw Detroit as their piggybank to exploit. They were inept, presumptuous and couldn’t forward think. The white business community from all-over-the-nation initially reached out to him when he was elected. He became a national figure when he was elected. Youthful and the so-called “hip-hop” mayor he was on the morning breakfast shows “Today”, “Good Morning America” often. However when people and businesses with deals went to Detroit with proposals they found out he actually knew little and as we know now he was preoccupied with being the party mayor. Unlike real hip-hop shot-callers like Jay-Z, Diddy, Russell, Dr. Dre, there was no business team behind the “throne” who could look at the excel spreadsheets and negotiate intelligently. Kwame could have been Denver’s Wellington Webb, or Seattle’s Norm Rice, but he was interested in G’s up Hoes Down.

I can tell you know nothing about Detroit politics.
 

Cruise believes that Kwame Kilpatrick’s mayoralty was a success.
His stewardship at the helm of Detroit was a model of probity and distinction.
His tenure is the template that all mayors, especially Black mayors, should strive to emulate.
His hand picked staff epitomized the best and brightest minds that Black America has to offer.
His management techniques will be studied in political science classes at America’s top universities.
America’s top universities and corporate boards are all scrambling to woo Kilpatrick to their institutions as a professor or board member with expertise in urban policy.



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I can tell you know nothing about Detroit politics.

I was hoping you would turn Muck on his head; or that you would at least attempt to brandish a set of facts that would at least cause Muck to pause; or that . . .

WTF was I thinking . . .
 
The actual city of Detroit is in ruins because of a former mayor named Kwame Kilpatrick.

No one who lives in Detroit would ever make a statement like that. If anything, New York City is in ruins because of Bloomberg and his gestapo. Stop-and-frisk, Occupy, the highest concentration of armed Federal and local employees in the country. Don't look down at Detroit until you first clean up your own backyard.

Why do you allow stop-and-frisk of black men if it's so much better than Detroit? That is living in a dictatorship. Detroiters would never tolerate that shit.

But, according to whites, Bloomberg is a good mayor and Kwame Kilpatrick is bad?

Yeah, well you keep your mayor, I will take Kwame Kilpatrick every day of the week and twice on Sunday. At least Kwame Kilpatrick kept that police brutality in check, because it happened to him before he became mayor.


Cruise believes that Kwame Kilpatrick’s mayoralty was a success.
His stewardship at the helm of Detroit was a model of probity and distinction.
His tenure is the template that all mayors, especially Black mayors, should strive to emulate.
His hand picked staff epitomized the best and brightest minds that Black America has to offer.
His management techniques will be studied in political science classes at America’s top universities.
America’s top universities and corporate boards are all scrambling to woo Kilpatrick to their institutions as a professor or board member with expertise in urban policy.



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How about this, do you have any facts that Kwame Kilpatrick was not a success? I mean facts, not some white-supremacist propaganda blaming the black man for everything under the sun.

Or, how about any personal experience or anecdotes that Kwame Kilplatrick was not a success?

Unlike Barack Obama, who is a terrible President, with the wars, the totalitarian laws (NDAA), Executive Orders, and clueless leadership on the economy (with the high unemployment, high fuel costs, and expanding Federal bureaucracy) what exactly do you know that Kwame Kilpatrick did to make him as bad as Barack Obama?

Did Kwame Kilpatrick destroy property values in Detroit? They were at their highest in history when he was Mayor.
Did Kwame Kilpatrick make Detroit scary for white businesses? During his terms, for the first time in decades, corporations were actually fighting to get INTO Detroit when he was Mayor.
Did Kwame Kilpatrick present Detroit well during National events? The NCAA regional, Super Bowl, All-Star game, and World Series went smoothly.
Did Kwame Kilpatrick provide public amenities during his terms? Campus Martius and the Riverwalk draw the public every day (especially on the weekends).

Now, let's take a look at Bloomberg.

Where are Manhattan property values over his terms?
Are white corporations (or any business) racing to move INTO Manhattan? Are the streets quiet or are there violent clashes?
Are there more public amenities for the people than when he started?

Yet, Bloomberg is a good mayor and Kwame Kilpatrick is a bad one?

Yeah, okay.
 
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Stay focused
We’re talking about Kwame Kilpatrick and Detroit, not Michael Bloomberg.
If you want to attempt to talk about Bloomberg and the city of New York, fine — start that thread, post what you think you know, —and then I will reply.

Now, back to reality, back to Kwame Kilpatrick. His downfall had little to do with ‘white supremacy’ so don’t bring that card into this debate. If the ’evil white man’ was responsible for his precipitous downfall, I would be the first to say so. Read my posts over the past 8 years on this board and you will see that I don’t hesitate to highlight when ‘white supremacy’ (racism) is involved in an issue; — whether it was the sub-prime mortgage debacle or the criminal <s>justice</s> unjustice system, or President Obama’s judicial appointments.
Kwame fucked up!; it’s as simple as that.

Scroll above and read the Black Enterprise magazine story which covers just a smidgen of his malfeasance. Everything chronicled in the BE story happened; they are not lies. Kilpatrick’s bodyguard Harold Nelthrope and former Deputy Police Chief Brown, collect $6.5 Million from the city for basically keeping their mouths shut about what they saw Kilpatrick do — wow! The family of Amadou Diallo, the African immigrant who the New York Police Department murdered with 41 shots only received $3 Million dollars. Black .01% percenters and owners of Black Enterprise Earl Graves Sr. and son Butch (skull & bones) Graves fully supported Kwame Kilpatrick when he was elected. The ensuing damage to the city of Detroit, Kilpatrick and his crew triggered, and the resulting criminal charges against Kilpatrick are all self- inflicted wounds. Unless you are a member of the Kilpatrick gang, there are NO reality-based reasons for you to carry water for Kilpatrick. His “mistakes” and violations of dozens of criminal statues are manifest, voluminous, and in the public record. He is currently paying back the city of Detroit $1,000,000 in personal restitution. He served jail time — but his legal troubles are far from over — in fact just this month (May 2012) he is facing a criminal trial related to his time as mayor of Detroit that could result in him doing 30 years in jail.
In another case just this month (May 2012) Kilpatrick is charged by the SEC (Securities & Exchange Commission) of accepting bribes from investment firms in exchange for city of Detroit pension funds.

This guy and his family are fools! You had the audacity to mention the Detroit police department as some type of paragon of “community policing” — making a reference to them not doing NYPD “stop & frisk”. The Detroit Police department is one of the most heinous and corrupt police departments in the U.S. The Detroit police is currently under two federal consent decrees that stem from lawsuits brought by the U.S. Justice Department in 2003. Federal investigations found that, in addition to violating people’s civil rights through the use of excessive force, questionable shootings of civilians, illegal dragnet arrests, and officers imprisoning homicide witnesses keeping them in unsafe holding cells, where many inmates died. In 2003 U.S. District Judge Julian Cook ordered federal monitoring of the Wayne County Jail. The federal oversight came at an estimated cost of $2 million annually. For the ten years through 2009, $400 million dollars ($400,000,000) has been paid out by the City of Detroit in wrongful death and police misconduct suits. Damn! Talk about mismanagement!! Yikes!

If you want to continue to think that Kilpatrick was a great mayor and has NO culpability for the current condition of the city of Detroit, go right ahead. Is it 100% his fault? No, but he failed!! He was too focused on his own personal self aggrandizement to do anything positive to help the city; he was stacking "the benjamins". A stripper that he was banging in the city owned mansion winds up dead; come-on man how stupid can you be?:smh:; — is your dick attached to your forehead where anyone can reach up a squeeze it. Do you want to be the mayor of Detroit, or are you just caught up in a “ G’s Up Hoes Down” fake gangster fantasy:confused:.

 

Stay focused
We’re talking about Kwame Kilpatrick and Detroit, not Michael Bloomberg.
If you want to attempt to talk about Bloomberg and the city of New York, fine — start that thread, post what you think you know, —and then I will reply.

Now, back to reality, back to Kwame Kilpatrick. His downfall had little to do with ‘white supremacy’ so don’t bring that card into this debate. If the ’evil white man’ was responsible for his precipitous downfall, I would be the first to say so. Read my posts over the past 8 years on this board and you will see that I don’t hesitate to highlight when ‘white supremacy’ (racism) is involved in an issue; — whether it was the sub-prime mortgage debacle or the criminal <s>justice</s> unjustice system, or President Obama’s judicial appointments.
Kwame fucked up!; it’s as simple as that.

Scroll above and read the Black Enterprise magazine story which covers just a smidgen of his malfeasance. Everything chronicled in the BE story happened; they are not lies. Kilpatrick’s bodyguard Harold Nelthrope and former Deputy Police Chief Brown, collect $6.5 Million from the city for basically keeping their mouths shut about what they saw Kilpatrick do — wow! The family of Amadou Diallo, the African immigrant who the New York Police Department murdered with 41 shots only received $3 Million dollars. Black .01% percenters and owners of Black Enterprise Earl Graves Sr. and son Butch (skull & bones) Graves fully supported Kwame Kilpatrick when he was elected. The ensuing damage to the city of Detroit, Kilpatrick and his crew triggered, and the resulting criminal charges against Kilpatrick are all self- inflicted wounds. Unless you are a member of the Kilpatrick gang, there are NO reality-based reasons for you to carry water for Kilpatrick. His “mistakes” and violations of dozens of criminal statues are manifest, voluminous, and in the public record. He is currently paying back the city of Detroit $1,000,000 in personal restitution. He served jail time — but his legal troubles are far from over — in fact just this month (May 2012) he is facing a criminal trial related to his time as mayor of Detroit that could result in him doing 30 years in jail.
In another case just this month (May 2012) Kilpatrick is charged by the SEC (Securities & Exchange Commission) of accepting bribes from investment firms in exchange for city of Detroit pension funds.

This guy and his family are fools! You had the audacity to mention the Detroit police department as some type of paragon of “community policing” — making a reference to them not doing NYPD “stop & frisk”. The Detroit Police department is one of the most heinous and corrupt police departments in the U.S. The Detroit police is currently under two federal consent decrees that stem from lawsuits brought by the U.S. Justice Department in 2003. Federal investigations found that, in addition to violating people’s civil rights through the use of excessive force, questionable shootings of civilians, illegal dragnet arrests, and officers imprisoning homicide witnesses keeping them in unsafe holding cells, where many inmates died. In 2003 U.S. District Judge Julian Cook ordered federal monitoring of the Wayne County Jail. The federal oversight came at an estimated cost of $2 million annually. For the ten years through 2009, $400 million dollars ($400,000,000) has been paid out by the City of Detroit in wrongful death and police misconduct suits. Damn! Talk about mismanagement!! Yikes!

If you want to continue to think that Kilpatrick was a great mayor and has NO culpability for the current condition of the city of Detroit, go right ahead. Is it 100% his fault? No, but he failed!! He was too focused on his own personal self aggrandizement to do anything positive to help the city; he was stacking "the benjamins". A stripper that he was banging in the city owned mansion winds up dead; come-on man how stupid can you be?:smh:; — is your dick attached to your forehead where anyone can reach up a squeeze it. Do you want to be the mayor of Detroit, or are you just caught up in a “ G’s Up Hoes Down” fake gangster fantasy:confused:.


You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Do you know about the Big 4?
Do you know what STRESS was?

As long as whites are running around with badges in Detroit, there are going to be serious problems. But, Detroit police are nothing like the LAPD, the Chicago police, or the NYPD. In fact, the Detroit police are nothing like the police in Oakland County.

Saying the Detroit police lose court cases means shit. The NYPD, with their stop-and-frisk should have bankrupted the city. But, when whites are committing the crimes under the guise of "police work" against black people, in other cities, the Federal courts magically say it is not so serious.

In Detroit, the Federal courts throw the book at any police brutality by the Detroit police. The result is that the Detroit police are very careful when dealing with the public. When they do their dirt, they know who not to touch and when. In fact, they will throw a judge or a prosecutor in jail in Detroit. That is a system that is working. I could not imagine that in a white county when the accused is black. Detroiters feel they have a chance against the police and courts. Can't say the same in Chicago, NY, or LA.

On the other hand, the Chicago police, the LAPD, and NYPD will do it in front of crowds, where everyone can see their misconduct, because they know the consequences will not be like Detroit.

You are quoting a bunch of unrelated facts that don't have shit to do with anything or that show you have no fucking idea how things are in Detroit.

Who the hell are you to decide how things are in Detroit when you know nothing about living here? Do you know the local courts, or judges? Do you know the political players, or who is on the rise or fall? Do you know the police or their history? Do you know the major businesses, the events, the neighborhoods, or any DAMN thing about Detroit?

You are in this thread caping for the "white boy" so you can piss on the black Mayor and the chocolate city. The people of Detroit did not have a problem with Kwame Kilpatrick, until the whites started this campaign to smear his name.

Did the whites talk about the white banks stealing the homes of Detroiters? No.
Did the whites talk about the impending collapse of the Wall Street financial system? No.
Did the whites talk about the day-to-day failure of GM? No.

They spent all their time whining about Kwame Kilpatrick, on the news, in the papers, and on the radio. Meanwhile, the whole world is falling apart. But, no, they had to spend all their time pissing on black people and sticking their nose in Detroit's business instead of handling their own business.

Now, here you are, letting the white supremacists tell you how things are in Detroit, and you are just lapping it up so you can feel better about your own situation.

Detroit is NOT ruined. Detroit is NOT in ruins. Detroit is NOT wrecked. That is just stupid shit to say. Detroit could be doing a lot better, but not with Barack Obama meddling his ass off to save Wall Street at the expense of Detroit and all these whites constantly trying to attack the "black" city (with you happily siding with the white boy).
 
You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Bruh, you offer a lot of accusations, but little else.

The poster has presented facts and cited sources supporting the conclusions laid out above - but - what have you done to refute any of it? Nothing. All I see is you persistently talking about the "white man this, the white man that." You could be right (about something), but you have not offered an iota of factual proof and not one gotdamn source to back your opinions.


If the poster does not know what he is talking about, it should be really easy for your to show it. So, Prove it.


 
Bruh, you offer a lot of accusations, but little else.

The poster has presented facts and cited sources supporting the conclusions laid out above - but - what have you done to refute any of it? Nothing. All I see is you persistently talking about the "white man this, the white man that." You could be right (about something), but you have not offered an iota of factual proof and not one gotdamn source to back your opinions.


If the poster does not know what he is talking about, it should be really easy for your to show it. So, Prove it.



Yet another thread dealing with the "Detroit experts" who are not from Detroit.

Who said those are facts? You are jumping to conclusions that because there were numbers in the post and some writers (who are not from Detroit) said a bunch of things negative about the city, that those are facts.

Well, I am the source because no one can dispute my knowledge and understanding of the city. I trump everything posted because it is coming from an unknown and uncorroborated source. No one knows who these writers are, their background, their motivations, or their agenda. Only Lamarr claims to be informed about Detroit, and he has not supported anything posted negatively about Detroit or Kwame Kilpatrick. Yet, sitting and posting 600 miles from the events in discussion makes you an expert on something and that is who you CHOOSE to believe when there is no way to actually see anything that actually happened or is being alleged. Doesn't sound like a logical mind to me.

I attribute it to this fear New York has of Detroit. New York has always wanted to undermne, challenge, and disparage Detroit, because of its prominence in the "REAL" economy. New York is an overcrowded hell hole, so they want to project that on Detroit.

New York needs to clean up their own messes before they start pointing fingers at anyone else.

Expert witness testimony

His facts are entirely irrelvant to the matter at hand and inadmissible because they can not be corroborated and lack a COMPETENT FACTS WITNESS.

I provide EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY. All I have seen are circumstantial accusations of bullshit from whites who do not have the credibility of ever having actually lived in Detroit (or done so in a very limited capacity).

This is my problem with your reasoning. You jump to these conclusions that everyone else is providing facts, when I am telling you it is utterly irrelevant.

Instead of considering the source and competence of the one offering facts, you just jump to the side you like the most.

If I say it, it is a FACT to be judged. These are not in dispute by anyone living in Detroit.

FACTS - AGAIN, since you missed it the first time

The city is not in ruins. FACT
Detroiters did not suffer under Kwame Kilpatrick any more than any other mayor. FACT
The Detroit police were no worse under Kwame Kilpatrick than under any other Detroit mayor. FACT
Whites have been using the Federal government to attack the black power structure since Coleman Young was mayor. FACT
Whites have been waging a campaign against Detroit for decades once whites lost political control. FACT
The white newspapers, TV, and radio said nothing about sub-prime loans by white banks and corporations that were stealing the homes of black people in Detroit. FACT
Those same white newspapers, TV, and radio were screaming for years about the bad black mayor, while black people in Detroit were being ripped off by white corporations and banks. FACT
There were no heinous accusations of crimes by the police that made them fear a citywide riot. FACT
Stop-and-frisk is not the issue it is, like in New York City. FACT
Corporations actually moved TO Detroit under Kwame Kilpatrick and created a new downtown center. FACT
The riverfront created a new public meeting place under Kwame Kilpatrick. FACT
New housing developments went up all over the city in areas most thought would never recover. FACT

You seem to only want to accept so-called FACTS if the sources are from Obama supporters and reject them if they are from Obama critics. It doesn't matter if the Obama critics actually are from Detroit. All that matters is if they support Obama, and you believe any bullshit you hear. You have been given the FACTS by an EXPERT and COMPETENT FACTS WITNESS on Detroit.

It's like someone has spent years studying/researching/working in Chemistry, have done experiments, published papers, and are recognized in their field. Yet you choose to believe some clown spouting a bunch of unrelated and irrelevant "FACTS" on TV because they support Obama and despite not having spent a DAMN day in the Chemistry field.
 
Well, I am the source because no one can dispute my knowledge and understanding of the city.

Like I thought. A self-proclaimed expert who confuses his OPINION with fact; and believes that his OPINION-FACTS somehow represent true knowledge and understanding. :lol:

GTFOH

 
Like I thought. A self-proclaimed expert who confuses his OPINION with fact; and believes that his OPINION-FACTS somehow represent true knowledge and understanding. :lol:

GTFOH


I don't think you know the definition of the word FACT.

Why don't you look it up and post the definition.
 
Like I thought. A self-proclaimed expert who confuses his OPINION with fact; and believes that his OPINION-FACTS somehow represent true knowledge and understanding. :lol:

GTFOH


QueEx,
More Lies Not Facts Below
;):eek:


What we are witnessing is a severe case of self-delusion which is strange when one considers the fact that the person involved — (unless they are a member of the Kwame gang) —has NO political self-interest in not conceding reality. If this was a civil court trial, in which the Kwame gang was suing for defamation of character, the judge would stop the trial and sentence the gang to 30 days in jail for wasting the courts time by not presenting any documentable evidence of defamation. We observe this same malady in the remaining Black supporters of Zimbabwe’s “president for life” Robert Mugabe. No matter what he does, even when the country which was once one of the ‘breadbaskets’ of Africa, has it’s citizens subsisting on a diet of insects, they don’t blame Mugabe — they blame the ‘white man’.

Finally, I wish Detroit the best. Current mayor Dave Bing has one of the toughest jobs in America. He is handling Detroit like a company coming out of Chapter 11 & like a 'start-up'. There is nothing wrong with acknowledgeing failure when it's justified, regardless of what race the leader is.



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Finally what did the Black press in Detroit say

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RESIGN, MAYOR KWAME KILPATRICK

http://blackpoliticsontheweb.com/20...ial-mayor-kwame-kilpatrick-must-leave-office/

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You don't know what is happening in Detroit. Which makes me certain you don't know what is happening in Zimbabwe.

I remember back in 2008 when whites were getting on their high horses about how they were so superior to black people and kept trotting out Robert Mugabe. That is, until their own white economies collapsed. Whites are such scum.

You are so determined to cover for the white boy's bullshit, that you are ready and eager to blame black people for the mess the whites created.

Once Kwame Kilpatrick was removed, whites basically came in and started taking over the city. Now, the city can't even keep the lights on.

Now, you got this fool Dave Bing, to be a proper puppet for the white scum, like Barack Obama, to further destroy Detroit.

Fortunately, Detroiters see Dave Bing for what he is. I have always admired that about Detroiters. They don't tolerate white ass-kissers once they realize what they are.

Whites knew Kwame Kilpatrick would have Detroit locked down for black people for the next 20 years. They knew whites would have been shut out for decades (see Coleman Young). Kwame Kilpatrick was building a dynasty of black leadership and whites did not want to have to go through another 20 years of Coleman Young, like they did in the 70s, 80s, and early 90s.

Not saying Kwame Kilpatrick was Coleman Young, but you could see he was starting to get a feel for the job and was building confidence. Whites could not stand that shit.

The Kwame Kilpatrick years were a real missed opportunity. Black people should have fought the white invaders harder, whether they liked the Mayor or not. Sometimes you have to send the mesage that black people will clean up any messes that are there, not some white supremacists that do not even live in the city.
 
I'm going to, respectfully, ask those not from Detroit to refrain from posting! I just take these topics a little too personal cause I was born in the auto industry (worked union & management).

Yet, some want to point the finger at Kwame :smh: No, I'm not defending Kwame but give me a fuckin break! Stop buying off on the BULLSHIT

Of course, you want address issues that that ultimately led to the deindustrialization of the industry / city.

Even before that, you won't bring up "white flight" which took capital out of the city, which destroyed the city's tax base.

And its a ton of shit I'm not mentioning!

Its amazing how we can witness the bailout money being used to offshore operations in Brazil & China, and not seeing anything wrong with it!

These people are pissin on your heads and telling you its rain


You raised a good question about Brazil and China -- though I believe that turned out mostly to be untrue and/or insignificant. But, why did you not give acknowledgement to the bailout having helped your failing birth-industry ???


 
You don't know what is happening in Detroit. Which makes me certain you don't know what is happening in Zimbabwe.

You are so determined to cover for the white boy's bullshit, that you are ready and eager to blame black people for the mess the whites created.

Once Kwame Kilpatrick was removed, whites basically came in and started taking over the city. Now, the city can't even keep the lights on.

Whites knew Kwame Kilpatrick would have Detroit locked down for black people for the next 20 years. They knew whites would have been shut out for decades (see Coleman Young). Kwame Kilpatrick was building a dynasty of black leadership and whites did not want to have to go through another 20 years of Coleman Young, like they did in the 70s, 80s, and early 90s.

Not saying Kwame Kilpatrick was Coleman Young, but you could see he was starting to get a feel for the job.



But I do know one thing though, your boi Kwame is in U.S. District Court in Detroit today, to begin his corruption trial.

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. . . dumb white judges, . . . I expose their asses in court.


Are you his defense lawyer ???

:lol:








 



But I do know one thing though, your boi Kwame is in U.S. District Court in Detroit today, to begin his corruption trial.

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Are you his defense lawyer ???

:lol:









That was always Kwame's problem. He took care of his people, but he just couldn't reach or see beyond that. Kwame just didn't seem to grasp that the second he took the Mayor's office, there was a bullseye on him by every white law enforcement agency out there, and the petty white assholes in Oakland County.

I don't think this "prosecution" is going anywhere. The Federal prosecutor already dropped a bunch of charges against Bobby Ferguson.

This is just grandstanding to show the whites are in charge of Detroit.
 

So, is that your "Opening" or "Closing" statement counselor ???

Or, just your statement whenever the name Kilpatrick is mentioned :confused:


 
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