Beto O'Rourke narrowly tops wide-open MoveOn 2020 presidential straw poll; Biden is runner-up

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/el...s-moveon-2020-presidential-straw-poll-n946501

“An early straw poll of members of the progressive group MoveOn.org shows a wide-open competition for liberal voters in the 2020 Democratic presidential contest, with Rep. Beto O'Rourke narrowly beating out former Vice President Joe Biden.

The poll, obtained by NBC News, shows a plurality of respondents — 29 percent — either said they did not yet know whom they would support or wanted someone else not listed among the group's more than 30 potential candidate choices.



The most popular potential candidate was O’Rourke, D-Texas, who was selected by 15.6 percent of respondents, followed by Biden at 14.9 percent, and then Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., with 13.1 percent.

It's another sign of O’Rourke's surprising popularity among national Democrats and a potentially troubling indication for Sanders, whom MoveOn endorsed in the 2016 Democratic primary. That year, 78 percent of MoveOn members voted to back Sanders over Hillary Clinton

The three men were followed by Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., who garnered 10 percent support, and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., with 6.4 percent. Meanwhile, three Democratic senators, Sherrod Brown of Ohio, Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota and Cory Booker of New Jersey, and former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg were each selected by about 3 percent of members.

"While the race for the 2020 Democratic nomination for president remains wide open and MoveOn's endorsement is up for grabs, MoveOn members and progressives across the country are clear: They're looking for candidates who will rally voters around a progressive vision of building a country where every American can thrive — whether we're white, black, or brown, rich or poor," said Ilya Sheyman, executive director of MoveOn Political Action.


"We'll be challenging prospective candidates to inspire us with big ideas in the months to come — including at a series of events in early voting states in early 2019," Sheyman added.

MoveOn, which was founded during Bill Clinton's presidency, is one of the largest progressive online organizing groups with millions of members across the country, so its endorsement has been coveted in the past.

This year, the group plans to hold a series of events in early presidential nominating states as part of its endorsement process, which is ultimately decided by a vote of its members.

Here are the top 10 finishers in the MoveOn straw poll:


Someone else/DK/other: 28.8 percent

Beto O’Rourke: 15.6 percent

Joe Biden: 14.9 percent

Bernie Sanders: 13.1 percent


Kamala Harris: 10 percent

Elizabeth Warren: 6.4 percent

Sherrod Brown: 2.9 percent

Amy Klobuchar: 2.8 percent


Michael Bloomberg: 2.7 percent

Cory Booker: 2.6 percent”
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/el...s-moveon-2020-presidential-straw-poll-n946501

“An early straw poll of members of the progressive group MoveOn.org shows a wide-open competition for liberal voters in the 2020 Democratic presidential contest, with Rep. Beto O'Rourke narrowly beating out former Vice President Joe Biden.

The poll, obtained by NBC News, shows a plurality of respondents — 29 percent — either said they did not yet know whom they would support or wanted someone else not listed among the group's more than 30 potential candidate choices.



The most popular potential candidate was O’Rourke, D-Texas, who was selected by 15.6 percent of respondents, followed by Biden at 14.9 percent, and then Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., with 13.1 percent.

It's another sign of O’Rourke's surprising popularity among national Democrats and a potentially troubling indication for Sanders, whom MoveOn endorsed in the 2016 Democratic primary. That year, 78 percent of MoveOn members voted to back Sanders over Hillary Clinton

The three men were followed by Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., who garnered 10 percent support, and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., with 6.4 percent. Meanwhile, three Democratic senators, Sherrod Brown of Ohio, Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota and Cory Booker of New Jersey, and former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg were each selected by about 3 percent of members.

"While the race for the 2020 Democratic nomination for president remains wide open and MoveOn's endorsement is up for grabs, MoveOn members and progressives across the country are clear: They're looking for candidates who will rally voters around a progressive vision of building a country where every American can thrive — whether we're white, black, or brown, rich or poor," said Ilya Sheyman, executive director of MoveOn Political Action.


"We'll be challenging prospective candidates to inspire us with big ideas in the months to come — including at a series of events in early voting states in early 2019," Sheyman added.

MoveOn, which was founded during Bill Clinton's presidency, is one of the largest progressive online organizing groups with millions of members across the country, so its endorsement has been coveted in the past.

This year, the group plans to hold a series of events in early presidential nominating states as part of its endorsement process, which is ultimately decided by a vote of its members.

Here are the top 10 finishers in the MoveOn straw poll:


Someone else/DK/other: 28.8 percent

Beto O’Rourke: 15.6 percent

Joe Biden: 14.9 percent

Bernie Sanders: 13.1 percent


Kamala Harris: 10 percent

Elizabeth Warren: 6.4 percent

Sherrod Brown: 2.9 percent

Amy Klobuchar: 2.8 percent


Michael Bloomberg: 2.7 percent

Cory Booker: 2.6 percent”
That’s plausible
 
Dems win when they run a younger candidate. I don't know if Beto's it, but it's definitely not Biden.

Nah you need somebody vicious like Joe Biden. Beto is just too soft, and he is not going to make it against trump. Shit he lost to ted cruz.

I know Joe is kinda old but he has the perfect personality for a guy like trump.
 
Nah you need somebody vicious like Joe Biden. Beto is just too soft, and he is not going to make it against trump. Shit he lost to ted cruz.

I know Joe is kinda old but he has the perfect personality for a guy like trump.

There is not a Dem in the country that would beat Ted Cruz in Texas. Biden would have lost by 10 points. You’re not going to out sleaze Trump. Inspire millenials and you’ll win.
 
Nah you need somebody vicious like Joe Biden. Beto is just too soft, and he is not going to make it against trump. Shit he lost to ted cruz.

I know Joe is kinda old but he has the perfect personality for a guy like trump.

Biden isn't vicious. he just runs his mouth.

The last thing you want is something up there "fighting" with Trump. Ask Rubio how that went. You don't beat Trump going after Trump. Hillary didn't lose because she wasn't "fighting". All you need is someone to get the non-white vote out.
 
Nah you need somebody vicious like Joe Biden. Beto is just too soft, and he is not going to make it against trump. Shit he lost to ted cruz.

I know Joe is kinda old but he has the perfect personality for a guy like trump.
I think Beto will our wit Trump like Pelosi did today! He has some edge to him!
 
Beto/Gillum ticket...
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Nah you need somebody vicious like Joe Biden. Beto is just too soft, and he is not going to make it against trump. Shit he lost to ted cruz.

I know Joe is kinda old but he has the perfect personality for a guy like trump.

Who ever it is. It’s going to be someone we don’t expect.

Shit back in 2016 everybody thought it was going to be the bush family vs Hilary. Nobody thought trump would win. Trump was considered a joke.

Just like in 2008 Obama own wife did not think he could win.
 
As both Clinton and Obama proved, democrats need to win the presidential election with charismatic rockstars. Blah candidates don't cut it. Beto got that charisma. Regardless, the party needs to let this be an organic race. Not that forced shit that cost them in 2016.
 
I hate to admit it but it has to be said. Its late as fuck for the dems to not have anyone to run against a fucked up president like Trump. Not only that, but they are setting it up for him to win a re-election. Mueller has damning evidence against this fuck but even a democratic house will not impeach him....
 
Nah you need somebody vicious like Joe Biden. Beto is just too soft, and he is not going to make it against trump. Shit he lost to ted cruz.

I know Joe is kinda old but he has the perfect personality for a guy like trump.

At this point I'm kinda torn on the issue but I will say that Biden was witness and is best to speak to all the bs double standards between BHO and Chump. And he's in their words, a counter puncher.
 
Just saw a young turks piece on beto.
Hes a no go.
He voted with the republicans on basically allowing no oversight of banks and their discriminatory practices.
Hes for drilling in the gulf
#2 behind Cruz in receiving oil $$$
No longer supports universal healthcare
Corporate shill basically
 
Just saw a young turks piece on beto.
Hes a no go.
He voted with the republicans on basically allowing no oversight of banks and their discriminatory practices.
Hes for drilling in the gulf
#2 behind Cruz in receiving oil $$$
No longer supports universal healthcare
Corporate shill basically
WTF
 
Just saw a young turks piece on beto.
Hes a no go.
He voted with the republicans on basically allowing no oversight of banks and their discriminatory practices.
Hes for drilling in the gulf
#2 behind Cruz in receiving oil $$$
No longer supports universal healthcare
Corporate shill basically

Yup... That post definitely knocked him down a few pegs in my book. Basically if you're looking for someone just go beat Trump, Beto is probably your best bet.. But if you're looking for meaningful change, you better look elsewhere .. Because he's obviously one of these half-assed corporate democrats that stand in the way of change.
 
Just saw a young turks piece on beto.
Hes a no go.
He voted with the republicans on basically allowing no oversight of banks and their discriminatory practices.
Hes for drilling in the gulf
#2 behind Cruz in receiving oil $$$
No longer supports universal healthcare
Corporate shill basically

And basically sucked off AIPAC. So it's fuck him like its fuck Israel
 
Just saw a young turks piece on beto.
Hes a no go.
He voted with the republicans on basically allowing no oversight of banks and their discriminatory practices.
Hes for drilling in the gulf
#2 behind Cruz in receiving oil $$$
No longer supports universal healthcare
Corporate shill basically

He's definitely a milquetoast Dem. Honestly idgaf at this point and would legit vote for an alpaca over Trump but Dems need to go left/progressive for sure

Thanks for the heads up on the TYT piece

 
Just saw a young turks piece on beto.
Hes a no go.
He voted with the republicans on basically allowing no oversight of banks and their discriminatory practices.
Hes for drilling in the gulf
#2 behind Cruz in receiving oil $$$
No longer supports universal healthcare
Corporate shill basically
After Trump motherfuckers can still be picky?
Mickey mouse would suffice lol
 
I'm sure they got the "me too's" lined up ready to go for Biden.
And unlike Repub women who don't give af, dem women would probably not vote for him because of it.
 
TYT want Bernie to be the nominee badly. They will attack any one that is polling near or above Bernie lol.

Keep attacking Kamala Bernie stans


 

“Trump Got Lucky”: Why G.O.P. Insiders Fear Beto and Biden Over Warren and Sanders

Don’t kid yourself: President Donald Trump could absolutely win re-election. The old man is preternaturally intuitive, resilient when most would wilt, and just plain lucky. Plus, just as Ferris Bueller drove Ed Rooney insane, Trump has a knack for goading his political opponents to self-destruct. But, as I like to caution Republicans, you never know what might happen in 2020 if the Democratic Party nominates a presidential candidate who is likable, trustworthy, and . . . not under investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Perhaps that is why, as Republicans sift through the wreckage of another Trump meltdown, the demolition of their House majority in the midterm elections two months prior, the ouster of James Mattis, and a holiday shutdown over the border wall, party operatives were spending the most wonderful time of the year trying to figure out what it’s going to take to avoid an even worse fate. For as much as some Republicans would like to see the president return to Trump Tower, they’re not willing to give up the presidency. And so, as the 2020 primary season begins, they are beginning to make a list of Democratic candidates that they think Trump can credibly beat.


Without naming names, I asked several senior Republican insiders which Democrat, or Democrats, at the top of the opposition ticket would most reassure them about 2020. Without exception, Elizabeth Warren, the 69-year-old progressive senator from Massachusetts, topped every wish list. “There’s a lot of Hillary Clinton in her,” said a veteran Republican operative in D.C. who hails from the Midwest and keeps a close eye on the heartland. “She’s elitist and doesn’t appear very nimble. It would be hard for her to expand her base or reach directly into Trump’s base.” Close behind were Senators Cory Booker of New Jersey and Bernie Sanders of Vermont, who, technically, is not a member of the Democratic Party.



There’s a theme here. For all of Trump’s faults—and Republicans who make a living trying to win elections tend to be honest about most of them, albeit privately—the United States is still a center-right country, at least according to the data the G.O.P. trusts. And Trump brings a certain gravitas to the job, despite his periodic tendency to diminish the presidency. A lightweight Democratic contender too enthralled with, or captive to, leftist dogma is an opponent that even a politically pockmarked Trump can exploit.

To wit, Trump’s domestic populism, fraught with cultural nativism such as it is, looks far more reasonable when stacked against dubious promises of free stuff (actually financed by the taxpayers, so, not free.) Trump’s “America First” nationalism, fraught with a troubling pullback from the post–World War II, bipartisan foreign policy consensus and disregard for America’s unique role as global protector of the liberal world order such as it is, looks less drastic when stacked against . . . a Democrat who essentially wants to do the same thing, minus the military buildup—and the tweets.

But more than all of that, Republicans are happy to run against any progressive who tries to compete with Trump on Trump’s terms. Exchanging barbs on social media platforms; name-calling; questioning his capacity mentally, physically, and the like. As much as the Democratic base might be clamoring for a standard bearer to force-feed the president a dose of his own medicine, there is no beating the genuine article at the game he perfected. Trump is too quick and too shameless, and that approach offers little change to voters who want to turn the page from the chaos and anxiety that has characterized the current era. “A Democrat is not going to defeat Trump by being more brash, blustering, and strident. They will win over voters they need to retake the ‘blue wall’ states by connecting with those voters on substance but presenting an alternative to his leadership style,” a Republican consultant told me in an e-mail.

Indeed, if there’s a key aspect to the fear Beto O’Rourke inspires in some Republicans, it’s the outgoing Texas congressman’s combination of sunny disposition and 21st-century social media agility. Sure, he’s unabashedly progressive, but to borrow a phrase from Vice President Mike Pence: He’s not angry about it. Nor, as it happens, does O’Rourke look down upon so-called heretics, or, if you prefer, “deplorables.”

Ignore the Beto mockery prevalent in Republican circles during O’Rourke’s near upset of Senator Ted Cruz this past November. Party insiders were taking notes, and taking the 46-year-old from El Paso far more seriously than suggested by the apparent delight they took in lampooning everything about a figure who has drawn comparisons to a onetime up-and-coming Democrat named of Barack Obama. “A Democrat who can carry Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, or North Carolina is problematic,” a Republican insider from a critical swing state said. “Someone like Beto, who can campaign on the fly, raise money, and excite young voters, could put those and other states in play.”



The midterms marked a turning point in the Republican Party’s confidence in the president. During most of Trump’s time in the Oval, his job approval rating has been remarkably stable, poor but not disastrously so, averaging in the low 40s. Throughout, the president has skated from scandal to scandal, any one of which would have hobbled past administrations. As last month’s elections approached, this dynamic, reinforced by the stability of a Republican majority in the U.S. Senate that ultimately expanded by two seats, created a false sense of security about the health of the G.O.P. among many Republicans, even those less than thrilled with Trump.


November 6 provoked a brutal reassessment. Republicans saw their coalition crack, and many senior strategists blame the president. As a few well-placed strategists told me for reporting I did for the Washington Examiner, after-action polling and analysis made it clear that Trump drove away soft Republicans, college-educated Republicans, female Republicans, moderate Republicans, basically every category of Republican not firmly ensconced in Trump’s base, plus crucial independents, handing House Democrats a larger victory than most had predicted, and with it, the majority. The right Democratic presidential nominee could capitalize on that.

And who is that? As often as Warren and her like-styled cohorts were mentioned as easy Trump foils, former Vice President Joe Biden was cited as among the few Democrats who many Republicans believe might dispatch the incumbent with relative ease. Is Biden progressive? Absolutely. Gaffe-prone? Duh. But he is the antithesis of Trump, with the added benefit that he’s been vetted before, and passed muster. “He wreaks calmness and normalcy, which I feel like people crave over the chaos of the Trump administration,” a Republican strategist headquartered in the Southwest said. Another Democrat who fits that bill, more than one Republican volunteered to me, unprompted: John Hickenlooper, the 66-year-old outgoing two-term governor of Colorado, former Denver mayor, and small-business owner. “One of the main disasters to avoid is to think 2016 is like 2020,” the Republican strategist based in the Southwest explained. “Trump got lucky and people held their nose against Clinton. That’s not likely to happen this time.”

The problem for Republicans, lamented a seasoned G.O.P. hand in Washington, is that despite the challenges the Democrats face heading into the next election—a crowded and divisive primary and a restless base not necessarily uninterested in nominating calm, competent, and normal—“is that the Trump apologists won’t put the blame where it belongs and are burying their heads in the sand.”

Of course, countless other Democrats are expected to run for president. Republicans continue to assess the developing field of candidates, many of who either remain an enigma or who engender differences of opinion as to how they would measure up against Trump. For instance, some dismiss Senator Kamala Harris of California as another radical progressive who isn’t ready for Prime Time, even if she’s right out of central casting for Democratic presidential contenders. Others see in her a shrewd operator who could realistically win the nomination and put Trump on defense the same way House Democrats put House Republicans in a bind in the midterm elections.

It’s much the same for Michael Bloomberg, the billionaire media mogul and former mayor of New York City. Here’s a politician with a large enough personal fortune to outspend Trump and the Republican National Committee put together, and the wiliness to overcome his shortcomings. But some Republicans are unimpressed, saying there are few Democrats as polarizing and sure to keep the G.O.P. coalition together the way Clinton did two years ago as would the crusading anti-soda, anti-gun Bloomberg.

Then there are those Republican power brokers who, amid fretting about what might happen down ticket in 2020, neither fear the formidable Democrats nor welcome the weaklings. “Fear is an interesting word because I fucking hate Trump so much,” a Republican consigliere said. “I certainly wouldn’t be sorry to see him lose.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12/why-gop-insiders-fear-beto-and-biden-over-warren-and-sanders
 
I hate to admit it but it has to be said. Its late as fuck for the dems to not have anyone to run against a fucked up president like Trump. Not only that, but they are setting it up for him to win a re-election. Mueller has damning evidence against this fuck but even a democratic house will not impeach him....
Late as fuck?
Bullshit.... you a Republican?
 
Beto , Hillary, Bloomberg, Warren or Sanders can Not / will Not get elected
Please just forget about them and move forward
 
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