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Bernard Hopkins on Oscar and Floyd
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Isn't Hopkins Hoya's payroll? 
His theory sounds good though.
His theory sounds good though.
He's affiliated with golden boy promotions so he's understandably biased.
We shall see..........
damn boxing fucked homeboy head up he cant even speak english properly
I Hate Oscar, He's overated, He should have NEVER been in the ring with Hopkins from jump cause he lost to Felix Sturm. Pretty Boy is in another class of boxers than Oscar, he just hasnt had the exposer. Oscar's head is swollen, and Hopkins has prob been gassin him up to think he can win this fight. He's a good fighter, but Mayweather is a GREAT fighter. There are no Chinks in his armor..Oscar has been tested and found short b4.Holla atcha Boy.
"The ref stops the fight to save Floyd for another day."
No lie though, Bernard has been a champ and has fought some great fighters. He knows what he is talking about, and people know it is true. Floyd is a great fighter, who is cocky and flashy but has not proven to anyone that he can fight the BIG fight. I must say that I am really into this fight after that interview. Because Floyd is barking hard, but can he prove that his bite is as deadly?
Two more days, and the good vs. evil clash for the greatest fight in years! 
No lie though, Bernard has been a champ and has fought some great fighters. He knows what he is talking about, and people know it is true. Floyd is a great fighter, who is cocky and flashy but has not proven to anyone that he can fight the BIG fight. I must say that I am really into this fight after that interview. Because Floyd is barking hard, but can he prove that his bite is as deadly?
Two more days, and the good vs. evil clash for the greatest fight in years! 
Time will tell.
mufasa672 said:
Holla atcha Boy.
You must only read about Floyd and not watch his matches. The man has the biggest chink of them all. He is NOT a finisher...at all! The man fought Zab who is known to have the weakest jaw of them all, and yet Floyd could not finish the man, even if Rocky trained the boy. Floyd is a great fighter none the less, but Oscar is a legend to people's eyes. No disrespect to either man, but Floyd will have to prove he is a true boxer that he claims to be, because he is the smaller BUT faster man in the ring. It could go either way, but remember, all it takes is ONE punch.
we will see, i don't think either head is big, mayne it's so much that goes into a fight of this kind, just remember they way their going about hyping this fight up, they want a younger fan base, and who could the young cats connect with better, shit the UFC shit is hurting boxing, the young cats are watching, and this fight is the way to try to help boxing.
Veteran...NESS....accuracy punches
Hopkins that's my dawg...we shall see this weekend.
I got Floyd takin' it myself but I do agree Hopkins made some good points..should be a good fight.
Hopkins that's my dawg...we shall see this weekend.
I got Floyd takin' it myself but I do agree Hopkins made some good points..should be a good fight.
I beleive Hopkins is the best non-heavyweight since the Leonard-Hearns era. I couldn't pay enough to watch him fight Merriweather, but this fight is only about money and an excuse for a fight party. I can't recall the last time Oscar beat anyone of substance, especially a brother. Lil pretty gon whup his azz.
ThugLuv said:
Boxing is doing fine. Despite what Dana White (UFC) says, boxing hasn't lost one single hardcore fan. The only shows with bad PPV numbers are the Heavyweight telecasts. We've been at this point before. It was called the early 80's with Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Duran, and Benitez taking up the slack. We've got a lot of good fighters at the lower weights. It's just people have short term memories and forget that period after Ali finally retired. Larry Holmes, as sharp as he was, used to get a lot of undeserved hate back then.
good vrs Evil? and which is which and according to who?Johnny_2_Clips said:"The ref stops the fight to save Floyd for another day."
No lie though, Bernard has been a champ and has fought some great fighters. He knows what he is talking about, and people know it is true. Floyd is a great fighter, who is cocky and flashy but has not proven to anyone that he can fight the BIG fight. I must say that I am really into this fight after that interview. Because Floyd is barking hard, but can he prove that his bite is as deadly?
REMINGTON_BLACK said:
Floyd said it himself, he is the bad guy because he made it so. Oscar is the good guy in everyone's eyes. He is the family man who is tyring to push one more fight against the cocky undefeated champ. lol if you ask me, this sound like the last Rocky, don't it?
mufasa672 said:
Holla atcha Boy.
I am not an Oscar fan in the least, but to say he has fallen short when he was tested is rediculous. He has fought just about everybody of note that was out there during his day. Mayorga, Trinidad, Mosley twice, Hopkins, Vargas, Gatti, Ike Quartey, Oba Carr, Macho Camacho, Sweet Pea Whitaker, and Genaro Hernandez. You tell me who Floyd has fought of note ( no need to include sorry assed glass chin Judah). The only reason I give Floyd the edge is because of his defense and his speed.
you do always see dlh kids, but they kind of mention floyd's in passingJohnny_2_Clips said:Floyd said it himself, he is the bad guy because he made it so. Oscar is the good guy in everyone's eyes. He is the family man who is tyring to push one more fight against the cocky undefeated champ. lol if you ask me, this sound like the last Rocky, don't it?
SWATLANTA said:
You need to clarify a few things there.
He fought Mayorga when Mayorga was out of shape and fought with a terrible strategy against DLH.
He pretty much had Trinidad who is the worst defensive fighter in history but was scared to try and finish him.
In the first fight with Mosley he got beat to the punch all day and some of the same in the second fight. could have won that one though.
Vargas proved to be mad overrated and his value as a measuring stick has since way declined.
Quartey was beating Oscars ass at one point but ran out of gas due to a long layoff.
Macho Camacho was old and already a vastly overrated fighter and not a tr ue test to a young Oscar.
Sweat Pea was past his prime but still tagged Oscar in intervals and Oscar landed few good shots on him and couldnt hurt him at all.
The reason I say all that is Oscar has not fought any really great fighter in his prime other than maybe Hopkins who really was old but still fighting very well. it was a no contest. You are throwing out names of a lot of overrated guys and some who were not at their peak.
Now when you say who Floyd has fought of note, you're talking names. Oscar fought in a division that has bigger names but that doesnt mean DLH really fought better fighters than Floyd. Floyd has fought:
Corrales
Judah
JL Castillo twice
Baldomir
Gatti
Corley-hard punching mofo with a strong chin
Jesus Chavez
etc.
Not a bunch of great fighters there either but other than Castillo he destroyed nearly all of them.
point is none of that matters. you say the only difference is Floyd's speed and defense? well duh. like isnt that what makes all great champions?
anyway Floyd is too fast and skilled and unlike Sweet Pea, he's still in his prime.
oh and the only reason he didnt finish Zab was because he injured that fragile right hand of his. DLH better hope he hurts it again.
DLH is a great fighter but too much speed and skill for Floyd.
Ocsar is going to win.....
Fakk it I said it .....
Jab beats speed...he got one of the best in the business..
Fakk it I said it .....
Jab beats speed...he got one of the best in the business..
Oscar does have a edge in size /power - but Floyd will negate that
but I dont think Floyd will trade with him - he'll look to counter and move
it might be a boring fight early with Oscar stalking him trying to catch him and Floyd holding him when Oscar gets inside
early look for Floyd to control with the jab ,soften Oscar up ,frustrate him
and in the middle rounds Oscar starts to wear down -takes a lot of punishment ,about round 9 Floyd TKO's him
but I dont think Floyd will trade with him - he'll look to counter and move
it might be a boring fight early with Oscar stalking him trying to catch him and Floyd holding him when Oscar gets inside
early look for Floyd to control with the jab ,soften Oscar up ,frustrate him
and in the middle rounds Oscar starts to wear down -takes a lot of punishment ,about round 9 Floyd TKO's him
Cinco De Mayo baby!!!
Floyd gonna tap dat ass
Damn I better hurry up and find a bar that is showing the fight.
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Floyd gonna tap dat ass
Damn I better hurry up and find a bar that is showing the fight.
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floyds only weakness to date is his hands! him not being a fininsher lies in that fact as well. BUT you aslo have to remember that he stopped Gotti( trainer stopped the fight) Gotti was known for having a granite chin. also Ward vs. Gotti (3x). and Mayweather not only stopped him but totally humilited him. Floyd Mayweather,on the most celebrated day in the hispanic calendar, will beat Oscar ad finally get all the respect her rightfully deserves. Floyds time is now. the "golden boy" has tarnished!
voodoo said:
That's the only strategy Mayorga has.
Mayorga was made for DLH.
Worst defensive fighter in history with only two losses on his record to a first ballot HOFer and a potential one?
I was pulling for Tito, but even I had to admit Goldie won that one with relative ease despite the last three or four rounds.If I remember correctly, DLH nullified Mosley at the end of round 2 or the beginning of round 3. Mosley didn't get things back together until changing to a southpaw stance in round 8 and swept the last four. I could be wrong, but that's how I remember it . I scored it 7 rounds to 5 however in Mos-Mos's favor.
Vargas wasn't overrated, he was ruined. Same thing with David Reid. Top Rank and America Presents rushed those guys against Trinidad.
No. They were dead even going into the twelfth. It was Oscar's dad jumping out of his seat between rounds 11 and 12 flailing his hands in the air telling Oscar he need a knockdown to win the fight. That knockdown and the storm at the end sealed the deal. I don't have a problem with anyone tabbing Quartey as the winner in this either. It was that close.
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I'll agree with the the Macho Man being over the hill at that stage of his career, but Macho was never really the same after getting his "soul" fucked up in round 5 with Edwin Rosario.
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I gave that fight to "Sweet Pete"
, but I don't have a problem with anyone picking Oscar in that one. It was close.Boxing Trivia: Sweet Pea is a mispronunciation of Sweet Pete never corrected.
I think it was the televised fight against Roger Mayweather.Overrated? Who is HOF bound on Floyd's ledger? He hasn't fought "the man" in their prospective weight class since Castillo at 135 (lightweight). That was in 2003. Tszyu/Hatton were the men at 140. Skipped them both for the likes of Corley, Brussles and Gatti. All hardcore fans know Margarito is the real boss at 147. Instead, he fights Mr. One Leg Sharmba Mitchell, Twinkle Toes Zab Judah and caps it off with The Feather-Duster Baldomir.
Is Floyd Ducking Margarito? Turned Down A Guaranteed 8 Million? I Guess He's Hoping Paul Williams Does The Job For Him.
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The "Panty and Lace" Man Corley? Hard Punching? Strong Chin?
None of those guys are first ballot HOFers. They are second and third tier, they are not elite fighters. Gatti will get a sympathy pass in the Hall, but he was never an elite fighter. Much better deserving old timers need to get in there before him.No disagreements here.
No. There are other intangibles besides those. Example: punching power, chin, heart, unorthodox style, etc. But, all that goes out the window when you get clipped.
I just think 154 is going the equalizer.
I think your confusing this fight with the Baldi fight.
Timing and a jab negates speed. Ask Shane Mosley. (Vernon Forrest/Winky Wright). Ask Mike Tyson. (Tucker/Douglas/Holyfield/Lewis)
Floyd is in prime, but I don't think he's in his prime weight class. I just think he never should have went up past 140.
I'll have a bowl of crow for a week as a sig, if I'm wrong. Put me down as ODLH over MW TKO10. It's what we do over at Maxboxing and DogHouseBoxing forums.
postman said:
Nope. Gatti had one of the most weakest chins out there. He'd get wobbled in just about every fight he had. Either he'd get knocked out or KO the other guy. Which was what made him the most exciting fighter in the sport for the last 10 years.
But the more this fight gets closer, the more I feel some controversey's gonna go down somehow. Maybe it'll be Floyd's hand, the ref will fuck up a slip/knockdown, or somethin else. Just gettin' a hunch here.
peaceThugLuv said:
& so is that cheap knockoff tv version
Wild homo
Alot of $, hype, promos & speculations on this one
LOL @ Charles Barkley is tight/mad since he has to work that night & can't be @ their fight
Executioner executing His outlook - had points, but would like to see Oscar train with him also so he could repeat how X tore that body up (but Shane is similar size & probably better for the fight)
Does Oscar still have it & can he get it off when he needs to most?
Can Floyd deal with the boxing. length, experience & exploit the right weaknesses w/out getting hurt w/ the extra weight?
Production barely showed Floyd with his seed other than him watching him train while they gave Oscar's baby an identity with all his coverage; not sure if that was his daughter, his sister or just family who was with his pops on press day
Good show & prove Da_Mon
peace
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