Atlanta Hawks Owner Selling Team After Racist Email Revealed

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This email is certainly not as blatantly bigoted and hostile as the Donald Sterling rants. It more so demonstrates some of the unspoken racism that many people of other races carry in their minds towards black people. Of course in this case it was spoken but I personally don't find any of it shocking.

What do you all think? Are you offended by the email? Do you think the league would have sought to ban him over this email were they to find it and he was not seeking to sell the team himself? Better yet, should they have?
 
"My theory is that the black crowd scared away the whites and there are simply not enough affluent black fans to build a significant season ticket base," Levenson said in the email released Sunday by the Hawks.
This may be racist. Assuming that "affluent" Blacks want to spend their discretionary income on professional basketball season tickets, rather than pointing the finger at his lack of business acumen.


Do the Falcons have a problem selling season tickets to "affluent" Blacks?


"Please don't get me wrong. There was nothing threatening going on in the arena back then. I never felt uncomfortable, but I think southern whites simply were not comfortable being in an arena or at a bar where they were in the minority."
I don't think this is racist. In fact, I applaud him for his personal honesty about his fellow whites.


I live in the Atlanta metro area. Socially this is a very segregated area. There are neighborhoods were there is some sort of mix of "Blacks" and whites, but for the most part, whites and Blacks self segregate.


This holds true even among equal economic groups.


The city of Atlanta has become less Black over the last 15 years, whereas the surrounding suburbs have become more "Black".
 
This may be racist. Assuming that "affluent" Blacks want to spend their discretionary income on professional basketball season tickets, rather than pointing the finger at his lack of business acumen.


Do the Falcons have a problem selling season tickets to "affluent" Blacks?



I don't think this is racist. In fact, I applaud him for his personal honesty about his fellow whites.


I live in the Atlanta metro area. Socially this is a very segregated area. There are neighborhoods were there is some sort of mix of "Blacks" and whites, but for the most part, whites and Blacks self segregate.


This holds true even among equal economic groups.


The city of Atlanta has become less Black over the last 15 years, whereas the surrounding suburbs have become more "Black".

Agreed. I think the email was filled with various examples of "soft bigotry" rather than the blatant bigotry we saw with Donald Sterling. Soft bigotry is just as much, if not more of, a problem when dealing with serious racial issues. In this case, I don't think it warrants that much attention. Just interested in getting other brothers read of it. Thanks.
 
Agreed. I think the email was filled with various examples of "soft bigotry" rather than the blatant bigotry we saw with Donald Sterling. Soft bigotry is just as much, if not more of, a problem when dealing with serious racial issues. In this case, I don't think it warrants that much attention. Just interested in getting other brothers read of it. Thanks.

Soft vs. Blatant. How are each defined. What are the criteria for differentiating and then responding to, one form versus another? Isn't that problematic ???


 
I wrote comments about this about Donald Sterling how he was probably attempting to do the same thing. Business owners forced to be racist due to the fans. I don't think these statements are racists.


He might have wanted to sell the team and seeing the payday of Donald Sterling, figured this will boost the value of his team.
 
Soft vs. Blatant. How are each defined. What are the criteria for differentiating and then responding to, one form versus another? Isn't that problematic ???



Sorry I don't have an officially agreed upon definition to differentiate between the two but I'm sure you are aware of that.

What are the "criteria" for responding to any form of prejudice or discrimination?

When I and others use the term "soft bigotry", I think we are simply referring to forms of prejudice, racism, discrimination, etc. that are subtler than someone using racial epithets and openly calling for policies and actions that don't even pretend to have anything to do with something other than racism, bigotry, and the like.

I don't think that recognizing that subtler forms of racism than Donald Sterling rants, the KKK, Ferguson's police department, etc. exist is problematic at all. In fact it's necessary. The blatant acts of hostile racism garner the most attention while the subtler forms of it in our education system, hiring practices, and more general stereotypes other racial groups hold against black people are critical factors in the struggles our people face. Yes we may be aware they exist but I don't think it gets the attention it deserves. When people talk about "soft bigotry", they are talking about this oft-neglected form of bigotry that not only needs to be addressed, but still needs to be recognized as something that really exists.
 
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Why???? Will you ever step out of your left-right paradigm? And will you ever stop being so quick to insult?


Was it insulting by pointing out the truth?

That's why I didn't label the original comments in question as racism.


source: Wikipedia

Michael John Gerson

Occupation: Chief Presidential speechwriter for George W. Bush from 2001 until June 2006

Gerson is credited with coining such phrases as "the soft bigotry of low expectations"




source: Wall Street Journal


Disinformation: A Deliberately Devious Word

The word had, in fact, already seen some modest circulation in English. The Merriam-Webster New Book of Word Histories notes that as early as 1939, "disinformation" appeared in a report on intelligence activities leading up to World War II. The German "Disinformation Service" was described as engaging in "manufacturing fake military plans for the express purpose of having them stolen by foreign governments."
 
Was it insulting by pointing out the truth?

That's why I didn't label the original comments in question as racism.


source: Wikipedia

Michael John Gerson

Occupation: Chief Presidential speechwriter for George W. Bush from 2001 until June 2006

Gerson is credited with coining such phrases as "the soft bigotry of low expectations"




source: Wall Street Journal


Disinformation: A Deliberately Devious Word

Ok I guess it wasn't insulting even though you called it a nonsense term. Anyway, I didn't realize that it literally was part of phrase coined by a right-winger. Either way, it has value. Thanks for the link.
 
Ok I guess it wasn't insulting even though you called it a nonsense term. Anyway, I didn't realize that it literally was part of phrase coined by a right-winger. Either way, it has value. Thanks for the link.

You must have heard it from somewhere.

The original context that the Bush regime used it as a tool to diminish the legitimacy of public school education.

Yes, the right is always long term strategizing and one of their tools is bastardizing the language for their ends.
 
I wrote comments about this about Donald Sterling how he was probably attempting to do the same thing. Business owners forced to be racist due to the fans. I don't think these statements are racists.


He might have wanted to sell the team and seeing the payday of Donald Sterling, figured this will boost the value of his team.
thats possible
 
source: Time

Sure, there are assumptions he makes that are cringe-worthy—but the questions about how to attract more white fans were entirely reasonable.

Well, the pitchforks are already sharpened and the torches lit anyway, so rather than let them go to waste why not drag another so-called racist before the Court of Public Opinion and see how much ratings-grabbing, head-shaking, race-shaming we can squeeze out of it. After all, the media got so much gleeful, hand-wringing mileage out of Don Sterling and Michael Brown.

The only problem is that Atlanta Hawks controlling owner Bruce Levenson is no Donald Sterling. Nor is his email racist. In fact, his worst crime is misguided white guilt.

I read Levenson’s email. Here’s what I concluded: Levenson is a businessman asking reasonable questions about how to put customers in seats. In the email, addressed to Hawks President Danny Ferry, Levenson wonders whether (according to his observations) the emphasis on hip-hop and gospel music, the fact that the cheerleaders are black, the bars are filled with 90 percent blacks, kiss-cams focus on black fans, and timeout contestants are always black has an effect on keeping away white fans.

Seems reasonable to ask those questions. If his arena was filled mostly with whites and he wanted to attract blacks, wouldn’t he be asking how they could de-emphasize white culture and bias toward white contestants and cheerleaders? Don’t you think every corporation in America that is trying to attract a more diverse customer base is discussing how to feature more blacks or Asians or Latinos in their TV ads?

Back when the original Law & Order first launched, there was a cast shake-up, adding more females, reportedly in an effort to attract more women viewers. MTV shows like Finding Carter and Teen Wolf can’t get through an emotional scene without a pop song coming in to sing to the viewer what they should be feeling because that’s what their demographic wants. Car companies hire specialized advertising agencies to create ads to appeal specifically to women, blacks, and Latinos. That’s business.

Sure, there are a few assumptions he makes that make me cringe a little: “My theory is that the black crowd scared away the whites and there are simply not enough affluent black fans to build a significant season ticket base.” On the other hand, I have no evidence that he’s wrong on either count. Even if he is, the question still needed to be raised because racism is a realistic possibility as to why whites in Atlanta, Georgia may not be coming.

To Levenson’s credit, in that same paragraph, he dismisses fans who complained about the arena’s site as being code for racist fear that “there are too many blacks at the games.” He further decries the white perception that even though the percentage of blacks in attendance had lessened, that they still feel it’s higher and therefore somehow threatening. His outrage seems authentic.

Business people should have the right to wonder how to appeal to diverse groups in order to increase business. They should even be able to make minor insensitive gaffs if there is no obvious animosity or racist intent. This is a business email that is pretty harmless in terms of insulting anyone — and pretty fascinating in terms of seeing how the business of running a team really works.

The thing that makes me mad is that Levenson was too quick to rend his clothing and shout mea culpa. In his apology, he wrote: “By focusing on race, I also sent the unintentional and hurtful message that our white fans are more valuable than our black fans.” But that’s not the message in the email at all. If the seats had all been filled, even if all by blacks, the email wouldn’t have been written. He wasn’t valuing white fans over blacks, he was trying to figure out a way to change what he thought was the white perception in Atlanta so he could sell more tickets. That’s his job.
 
source: Time

Sure, there are assumptions he makes that are cringe-worthy—but the questions about how to attract more white fans were entirely reasonable.

Well, the pitchforks are already sharpened and the torches lit anyway, so rather than let them go to waste why not drag another so-called racist before the Court of Public Opinion and see how much ratings-grabbing, head-shaking, race-shaming we can squeeze out of it. After all, the media got so much gleeful, hand-wringing mileage out of Don Sterling and Michael Brown.

The only problem is that Atlanta Hawks controlling owner Bruce Levenson is no Donald Sterling. Nor is his email racist. In fact, his worst crime is misguided white guilt.

I read Levenson’s email. Here’s what I concluded: Levenson is a businessman asking reasonable questions about how to put customers in seats. In the email, addressed to Hawks President Danny Ferry, Levenson wonders whether (according to his observations) the emphasis on hip-hop and gospel music, the fact that the cheerleaders are black, the bars are filled with 90 percent blacks, kiss-cams focus on black fans, and timeout contestants are always black has an effect on keeping away white fans.

Seems reasonable to ask those questions. If his arena was filled mostly with whites and he wanted to attract blacks, wouldn’t he be asking how they could de-emphasize white culture and bias toward white contestants and cheerleaders? Don’t you think every corporation in America that is trying to attract a more diverse customer base is discussing how to feature more blacks or Asians or Latinos in their TV ads?

Back when the original Law & Order first launched, there was a cast shake-up, adding more females, reportedly in an effort to attract more women viewers. MTV shows like Finding Carter and Teen Wolf can’t get through an emotional scene without a pop song coming in to sing to the viewer what they should be feeling because that’s what their demographic wants. Car companies hire specialized advertising agencies to create ads to appeal specifically to women, blacks, and Latinos. That’s business.

Sure, there are a few assumptions he makes that make me cringe a little: “My theory is that the black crowd scared away the whites and there are simply not enough affluent black fans to build a significant season ticket base.” On the other hand, I have no evidence that he’s wrong on either count. Even if he is, the question still needed to be raised because racism is a realistic possibility as to why whites in Atlanta, Georgia may not be coming.

To Levenson’s credit, in that same paragraph, he dismisses fans who complained about the arena’s site as being code for racist fear that “there are too many blacks at the games.” He further decries the white perception that even though the percentage of blacks in attendance had lessened, that they still feel it’s higher and therefore somehow threatening. His outrage seems authentic.

Business people should have the right to wonder how to appeal to diverse groups in order to increase business. They should even be able to make minor insensitive gaffs if there is no obvious animosity or racist intent. This is a business email that is pretty harmless in terms of insulting anyone — and pretty fascinating in terms of seeing how the business of running a team really works.

The thing that makes me mad is that Levenson was too quick to rend his clothing and shout mea culpa. In his apology, he wrote: “By focusing on race, I also sent the unintentional and hurtful message that our white fans are more valuable than our black fans.” But that’s not the message in the email at all. If the seats had all been filled, even if all by blacks, the email wouldn’t have been written. He wasn’t valuing white fans over blacks, he was trying to figure out a way to change what he thought was the white perception in Atlanta so he could sell more tickets. That’s his job.

I agree with a lot of what was said here.
 
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