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Music / Art Debate: If you create your own using someone else style are YOU an artist or a biter? Bink approved
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Bink says...
If you put a blank sheet of paper over a picture and trace it
but paint it in different colors...
Is it art?
If you put a blank sheet of paper over a picture and trace it
but paint it in different colors...
Is it art?
If someone creates something NEW using a pre existing style or blueprint...
Is it art?
Is it just a copy?
Is it art?
Is it just a copy?
Well, rap music has a rule set that I adhere to.
You cannot bite under any circumstances.
Other art forms it's ok
You cannot bite under any circumstances.
Other art forms it's ok
Inspiration is okay. My favorite type of rhyming is compound rhyming and bars inside of bars. Big Daddy Kane was the originator, but Em, Royce, Pun, and Elzhi all use it without biting Kane. I tell my own stories but just use elements of that style. Now, when it comes to these new rap dudes who are not only copying flows, they're copying vocal modulations, content, and type of beats. Em said it in The Ringer, "9/10ths of your rhymes is about ice and jesus christ how many times is someone gonna fuck my bitch?".
Got love for Bink cause 1-900 Hustler still gets played to this day but I have to disagree with his assessment on “biting.”
It’s one thing to blatantly take somebody’s music but it’s completely different when you’re influenced by someone’s music. If influence was biting then we would lack to have any progress in anything ever again. Most people who start off in any trade or craft are always influenced by others. Juju from the Beatnuts and I had a conversation about this once in that he told me, “when you start out making music, copy your favorite artists track. Imitate it. It gives you the blueprint and the inner workings on how to compose music, and then go and make your own shit.”
I can see the influence that Blaze would’ve gotten from Bink, especially with the horns and the crashes, but it’s still a very distinct style that Just Blaze has, so I can’t call that biting.
Art is the most subjective ass definition ever. Of course there are levels to how it’s done, but no ideas are original. There is inspiration everywhere in more forms than we can possibly think of. Especially now of days.
Got love for Bink cause 1-900 Hustler still gets played to this day but I have to disagree with his assessment on “biting.”
It’s one thing to blatantly take somebody’s music but it’s completely different when you’re influenced by someone’s music. If influence was biting then we would lack to have any progress in anything ever again. Most people who start off in any trade or craft are always influenced by others. Juju from the Beatnuts and I had a conversation about this once in that he told me, “when you start out making music, copy your favorite artists track. Imitate it. It gives you the blueprint and the inner workings on how to compose music, and then go and make your own shit.”
I can see the influence that blaze would’ve gotten from bank, especially with the horns and the crashes, but it’s still a very distinct style that Just Blaze has, so I can’t call that biting.
Even in science, we follow the exact same blueprint, especially if you’re new to writing research papers. Mimic someone’s research to learn how to do it, then incorporate your own research and writing based on that blueprint.
Some cats are just biting. How can a rapper from Atlanta and a rapper from New York talk about the exact same thing? Every hood ain't the same
I don't think that is what we are debating though.
Obviously a kid from Atlanta talking timbos and chopped cheese aint authentic
I think we more about like how 50 adopted a southern flow.
That did NOT make 50 a southern rapper.
And he HIMSELF admitted he flipped that flow after the shooting especially when his voice changed.
MANY took that Native Tongue "sound" that Wu Tang sound that G funk sound etc
I don't think that is BITING or simple copying or mimicry.
There is art derived from inspiration and influence.
Ok I'm gonna finish the rest of it but I had to pause.
I like bink style
I think they were coming up at the same time and there was room for both
He admitted why he isn't where just blaze is.
He did work on the blueprint too so let's not cut that out
And then they had a management thing they were starting...
Just blaze said yes I want to be managed by y'all
Bink said he refused
So after that kindly stfu
Yes that is why just blaze got placements on roc albums before you. You probably would've had those placements TOO
Why would they take care of YOU and not their artist just blaze?
Yes they leveraged their MANAGEMENT to get him with Mariah Carey and camron and all that shit that's what management DOES
So were they supposed to look out for YOU over their artist?
Lmao
Clown shit
I like bink style
I think they were coming up at the same time and there was room for both
He admitted why he isn't where just blaze is.
He did work on the blueprint too so let's not cut that out
And then they had a management thing they were starting...
Just blaze said yes I want to be managed by y'all
Bink said he refused
So after that kindly stfu
Yes that is why just blaze got placements on roc albums before you. You probably would've had those placements TOO
Why would they take care of YOU and not their artist just blaze?
Yes they leveraged their MANAGEMENT to get him with Mariah Carey and camron and all that shit that's what management DOES
So were they supposed to look out for YOU over their artist?
Lmao
Clown shit
Yeah that's not biting. 50 was inspired by southern flows. Everybody is inspired by someone, because that is what gives us the encouragement to try to create.
He ain't say shit else
Just looking back on a mistake to talk to people who will listen
You had it
They would've signed you and you could've proved you were the ONE
but you didn't.
Easiest layup in history and you missed it.
Imagine being around Jay z and them and everything setting up the way it was at the right place right time and everything
Him ye and blaze handling all in house production for roc a fella records
Then saying
NAH IM GOOD
BUT I SHOULD STILL get the same opportunities as the ppl who signed
Just looking back on a mistake to talk to people who will listen
You had it
They would've signed you and you could've proved you were the ONE
but you didn't.
Easiest layup in history and you missed it.
Imagine being around Jay z and them and everything setting up the way it was at the right place right time and everything
Him ye and blaze handling all in house production for roc a fella records
Then saying
NAH IM GOOD
BUT I SHOULD STILL get the same opportunities as the ppl who signed
That’s it. I’ve seen this formula done across many platforms, genres of music, trades, economy, finance, etc. It shouldn’t be the issue we make it in hip hop for whatever reason we do.
what about his whole tracing the picture thought process?
And Bink gotta be real careful
cause not long ago....
All those ORIGINAL artists YOU sampled BINK?
Thought you AND THE REST OF THOSE other "PRODUCERS" WERE NOTHING BUT THIEVES TOO
just SAYING.
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All this here.
We sampled from our parents crates cause we never had access to all that heavy equipment at the time. Sampling from others, aka turning lemons into lemonade, is what hip hop was all about. I don’t really get what moral high horse he’s sat on but it’s coming off as a little bitterness that he ain’t make the way the others did. It’s called the music BUSINESS for a reason. Most people fail on that second part.
I don't think any of us here would call J Dilla, Premier, or 9th a biter. They took bits of a song, mixed it to sound like something totally different. Producers tend to be the most creative because they'll hear something in two measures of a 70s soul song, and use that to create.
My definition of biting is copying someone's persona, flow, content, and style. That light skin stripper chick Ice Spice is biting.
I hope we don't delve into too much of that here.
I think trying to find the "father" of styles is going to be a difficult in an the end fruitless exercise.
What I was wondering specifically to what Bink was saying about "WHAT IS ART?"
and what we define as "original"?
Who she biting?
Don't matter one bit.
None of this would be a thing if he just signed on to handle production for the entire Roca fella label
Literally Kanye and just blaze did and became what they became
He refused according to his words and that's that
My bad, I was introduced to it with Kane, but shout out to the legend Kool G Rap.
The intern went for a backwoods run too early ..
There's only one James Brown....but there a a million and one artist.
It's ok to borrow things and use them but to be great you have to add your own touches to it to make your own.
Basically you can take anyone and have them train like Lebron James does in the gym.....but they'll never be Lebron no matter how much they train.
It's ok to borrow things and use them but to be great you have to add your own touches to it to make your own.
Basically you can take anyone and have them train like Lebron James does in the gym.....but they'll never be Lebron no matter how much they train.
They are biting. I love it. But they are biting. It is beautiful and they are talented pioneers. But they are biting and if someone bite them the game is the game.
Damn Bink...
Humble monster fo real fo real
Humble monster fo real fo real
Bink on those freeway tracks = flames
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