Anti-Tax Libertarian Colorado Springs Burns, Now Wants Filthy Big Government Aide

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source: Seattle Times

Colorado's emergency-response teams burned by anti-tax attitudes

Because of conservative and libertarian sentiments and a no-tax pledge passed statewide 20 years ago, Colorado police and disaster-response teams are stretched thin as a virulent wildfire ravages land near Colorado Springs.


As Colorado Springs battles a rash of robberies after a wildfire that still licks at its boundaries, it does so with fewer police and firefighters and a limited tax base that may hamper its rebound.

The place where the Waldo Canyon fire destroyed 346 homes and forced more than 34,000 residents to evacuate turned off one-third of its streetlights two years ago, halted park maintenance and cut services to close a $28 million budget gap after sales-tax revenue plummeted and voters rejected a property-tax increase.

The city, the state's second-largest, with a population of 416,000, auctioned both its police helicopters and shrank its public-safety ranks through attrition by about 8 percent; it has 50 fewer police officers and 39 fewer firefighters than five years ago. More than 180 National Guard troops have been mobilized to secure the city after the state's most destructive fire. At least 32 evacuated homes were burglarized and dozens of evacuees' cars were broken into, said Police Chief Pete Carey.

"It has impacted the response," said accountant Karin White, 54, who returned Thursday to a looted and vandalized home, with a treasured, century-old family heirloom smashed.

"They did above and beyond what they could do with the resources they had," she said. "If there were more officers, there could have been more manpower in the evacuated areas."

Since the start of the 18-month recession in December 2007, U.S. cities have faced shrinking revenue and diminishing state support, leading to budget cuts and reductions in services and workforces. Cities faced a fifth-straight year of revenue declines in 2011, according to the National League of Cities, which estimated that municipalities would have to fill budget gaps of as much as $83 billion from 2010-2012.

Colorado Springs, which depends on sales tax for about half its revenue, was hit harder than most. The city — the birthplace 20 years ago of the Taxpayer Bill of Rights, which later passed statewide and has been pushed around the country to restrict government spending — became a high-profile example of cost-cutting. The law restricts government spending to the previous year's revenue, adjusted only for population growth and inflation.

"People are going to be looking at the aftermath of this disaster to see what is possible," said Josh Dunn, an associate professor of political science at University of Colorado, Colorado Springs. "How far can you go in cutting the size of city government?"

The city, home of the evangelical Christian group Focus on the Family, is known for being conservative and libertarian. It "was the tea party before the tea party was cool," Dunn said.

Six of the nine candidates in last year's nonpartisan mayoral election, including the victor, Mayor Steve Bach, signed the no-tax pledge pushed by Grover Norquist's Americans for Tax Reform, according to the Colorado Springs Gazette.

Richard Skorman, one candidate who didn't, was flooded with angry emails after saying in a debate why he opposed such a pledge.

What, he asked, if the city got hit by a major wildfire?

"Resources have been very stretched, and we were always worried," said Skorman, 60, a small-business owner and former city councilman who lost to Bach in an April 2011 runoff.

The costs of rebuilding combined with lost revenue from business closings and tourism could push the city to the point where it doesn't have revenue for essential services, he said.

Bach said the city is on the path toward financial implosion anyway because of overly generous pensions and too many parks.

It hasn't affected the handling of the wildfire, he said.

The Waldo Canyon blaze has killed two, engulfed a 29-square-mile area the size of Manhattan, has cost $11.1 million to fight so far and is now 55 percent contained. .

Carey and Fire Chief Rich Brown said they are facing the same kind of cuts and budget restrictions as public-safety forces across the country. The reduction in manpower hasn't affected their ability to respond to the wildfire, they said in interviews this weekend.

On June 26, when near-hurricane-force winds caused a firestorm that swept into the city, "I don't care if we had 2,000 people, there's nothing we could have done," Brown said. The city has 413 firefighters and recently graduated its first new class of recruits in five years, he said.

Carey said the staff reduction has forced police to work more closely with the Fire Department and other agencies.

"That's the emerging trend of public safety," Carey said. "We can't afford to have a surge capacity, maximum capacity every day for these kinds of situations. You have to think meaner and leaner, and have a plan that includes asking for outside help."

The city has been aggressive in applying for federal grants, too, which have funded wildfire-mitigation efforts, said Bret Waters, emergency management director.

Dunn notes that the city, where there is strong anti-federal-government sentiment, is now turning to the U.S. for assistance. Before visiting Colorado on Friday, President Obama declared the state a disaster area, which frees aid for communities affected by the wildfires.

"Ironically, Colorado Springs is going to rely heavily on federal funds for rebuilding," Dunn said. "But it won't cover everything."
 
Good Ol' "progressive" hack job.
Carey and Fire Chief Rich Brown said they are facing the same kind of cuts and budget restrictions as public-safety forces across the country. The reduction in manpower hasn't affected their ability to respond to the wildfire, they said in interviews this weekend.

On June 26, when near-hurricane-force winds caused a firestorm that swept into the city, "I don't care if we had 2,000 people, there's nothing we could have done," Brown said.

Never mind what the people who actually fight these fires say. There's an ax to grind, an angle to take, so let's do it.

Once again, the dems never let a good crisis go to waste.

Oh, and BTW, they are only asking for money the government has already taken from thier cititzens (present or future).
 
Good Ol' "progressive" hack job.

Never mind what the people who actually fight these fires say. There's an ax to grind, an angle to take, so let's do it.

Once again, the dems never let a good crisis go to waste.

Oh, and BTW, they are only asking for money the government has already taken from thier cititzens (present or future).

What does that amount to since the repubs took over with this stupid shit? About 40k? Think that is enough to cover it?

-VG
 
Good Ol' "progressive" hack job.

Never mind what the people who actually fight these fires say. There's an ax to grind, an angle to take, so let's do it.

Once again, the dems never let a good crisis go to waste.

Oh, and BTW, they are only asking for money the government has already taken from thier cititzens (present or future).


Never mind what the people who actually fight these fires say. There's an ax to grind, an angle to take, so let's do it.

Yea, I guess you're right, the dems never let a good crisis go to waste.


source: TMP


While Colorado burns, conservatives have looked for ways to blame it on President Obama.

Some of the same people who have bashed the president as a big government, big spending liberal now say a wildfire that destroyed hundreds of homes in the conservative stronghold of Colorado Springs can be blamed on the president because he has been too slow to spend money to beef up the federal fleet of air tankers.

:lol:

source: chron.com

Paul voted against government assistance for victims of Hurricane Katrina and later told the Washington Post he had no regrets.

"Is bailing out people that chose to live on the coastline a proper function of the federal government?" Paul said. "Why do people in Arizona have to be robbed in order to support the people on the coast?"

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they are only asking for money the government has already taken from thier cititzens (present or future

That's very libertarian of you. When convenient!

I'll expect you and the other usual so called conservative/libertarians to post no further comments on this thread!!!!
 
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Yea, I guess you're right, the dems never let a good crisis go to waste.


source: TMP




:lol:

source: chron.com



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That's very libertarian of you. When convenient!

I'll expect you and the other usual so called conservative/libertarians to post no further comments on this thread!!!!

There goes your straw man argument again. Please explain your response to the actual firefighters comment. If you (or Que) can.
 
There goes your straw man argument again. Please explain your response to the actual firefighters comment. If you (or Que) can.

Straw man?

On June 26, when near-hurricane-force winds caused a firestorm that swept into the city, "I don't care if we had 2,000 people, there's nothing we could have done," Brown said. The city has 413 firefighters and recently graduated its first new class of recruits in five years, he said.

Carey said the staff reduction has forced police to work more closely with the Fire Department and other agencies.

Sound contradictory? Of course if you were a tax gutting libertarian/conservative and you claimed that public services were wasteful and that the private sector could do it better, would you admit that you were a fool?

Huh, would you?



Please explain:
dems never let a good crisis go to waste.
After I explicitly posted the obvious hypocrisy.
 
Straw man?



Sound contradictory? Of course if you were a tax gutting libertarian/conservative and you claimed that public services were wasteful and that the private sector could do it better, would you admit that you were a fool?

Huh, would you?



Please explain:
After I explicitly posted the obvious hypocrisy.

What nonsense !!! You explained nothing !!! It is perfectly consistent to understand limits of any system, especially when going in the face of nature, and then realize that you have become efficient through accepting realities. But you slavers would know nothing of that. If your utopia does not work (which it usually doesn't) you blame others. We don't. You saw it in the article that there was introspection, but I would not expect your ilk to ever recognize that.
 
What nonsense !!! You explained nothing !!! It is perfectly consistent to understand limits of any system, especially when going in the face of nature, and then realize that you have become efficient through accepting realities. But you slavers would know nothing of that. If your utopia does not work (which it usually doesn't) you blame others. We don't. You saw it in the article that there was introspection, but I would not expect your ilk to ever recognize that.

If your utopia does not work (which it usually doesn't) you blame others. We don't.

While Colorado burns, conservatives have looked for ways to blame it on President Obama.

Do you actually read what you post?

It is perfectly consistent to understand limits of any system, especially when going in the face of nature, and then realize that you have become efficient through accepting realities.


"Is bailing out people that chose to live on the coastline a proper function of the federal government?" Paul said. "Why do people in Arizona have to be robbed in order to support the people on the coast?"


Libertarians/conservatives are full of excuses, exceptions, when it comes to their follies. actions. But when other people need help, "take responsibility.

Libertarian self reliance is as laughable as Ayn Rand on government Social Security and Medicare during the last years of her life.

Totally ignorant of history.
 
If your utopia does not work (which it usually doesn't) you blame others. We don't.

Bullshit !!! All of your posts are about the rich this and the republican that. There is zero accountability to be had by your ilk. All suffering is because of the successful in your book, and anyone who has should feel lucky that the others let them keep anything.


Libertarian self reliance is as laughable as Ayn Rand on government Social Security and Medicare during the last years of her life.

So she should have no right to a system she was forced to participate in ? Only you ilk would think of that.

Totally ignorant of history.

I have forgotten more than you have learned. The war of all against all in the guise of let's get the rich in the death knell of socialism. It's showing itself in Europe, and the useful idiots here are steamrolling the greatest generator of human wealth and advancement toward doom.

Things still cost, no matter what scheme you make up.
 
Bullshit !!! All of your posts are about the rich this and the republican that. There is zero accountability to be had by your ilk. All suffering is because of the successful in your book, and anyone who has should feel lucky that the others let them keep anything.




So she should have no right to a system she was forced to participate in ? Only you ilk would think of that.



I have forgotten more than you have learned. The war of all against all in the guise of let's get the rich in the death knell of socialism. It's showing itself in Europe, and the useful idiots here are steamrolling the greatest generator of human wealth and advancement toward doom.

Things still cost, no matter what scheme you make up.

Bottom line, you and libertarians get caught in your pious absolutes, but when you need the bad old government, you are just getting what you put in. Everyone else are just freeloaders.

You exist in a world of hyperbole, because you think you can associate yourselves with those that will never even let you enter their country club.

No one wants to get "the rich". But the rich want to get everyone else.

Consider Citizens United!
 
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