Andre Berto vs Victor Ortiz Saturday Night - Who Ya'll Got?!?!

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:lol::lol::lol: Ortiz gonna fold like an origami futon once Berto cracks him with a straight right:lol::lol: This dude is really delusional......


Ortiz talking the talk


Confidence is not something that is lacking in Victor Ortiz’s corner. The 24-year-old is set to fight undefeated Andre Berto for the WBC welterweight title on Saturday, and although it is a step up in weight class for him, he believes it will not be a problem.

“I’m not going to be the gatekeeper (at 140). I’m fighting at 147 and I’ll be the king there,” Ortiz said. “Everybody had their chance at 140. Berto hasn’t been hit by someone like me. He’ll see April 16.”

Berto is Ortiz’s focus, but if there is a second focus, it’s on a rematch with Marcos Maidana, who handed Ortiz one of his two professional losses.

“He’s running left and right,”:hmm::hmm: Ortiz said of Maidana, “dodging me. He sees me in his nightmares.:hmm::hmm: When he gets the courage and comes out of the closet(pause:(), he can meet me at 147. If Maidana want to end his career, he should move up to 147.”:hmm::hmm:

Ortiz’s last fight, a draw with fellow American Lamont Peterson, was actually on the undercard of Maidana’s fight with Amir Khan. Many who watched the fight felt Ortiz had won, even though two judges scored a draw and one a slight victory for Peterson. Ortiz says it’s behind him, although he admits he disagreed.

“That’s in the past. I’m focused on fighting the best 147-pounder in the world,” Ortiz said. “You can talk about Peterson all you want, call him. I thought it was complete bull. In my heart and mind, I won that. Obviously, during the show I didn’t show any pain to the media or fans, but in the locker room it hit me and I cried.”:hmm::hmm:

Win, lose, whatever Ortiz does Saturday night, we can be assured he will be doing so with plenty of confidence.

“I’m going to be crowned, no matter what. I’ve paid my dues. I’ve been here a while and finally they’re going to give me a shot. It’s my time! Winning The Ring (magazine) title definitely is important to me because it shows I’m the best in the world.”

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Andre Berto out to prove his critics wrong


NEW YORK — Andre Berto believes he is ready for fights against superstars.

The undefeated welterweight champion's critics contend he should forget fighting Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather Jr.

They think he'll be fortunate to overcome Victor Ortiz on Saturday night in Mashantucket, Conn., in the main event of an HBO's split-site "World Championship Boxing" doubleheader. The 9:45 p.m. telecast will begin with taped coverage of a WBA junior welterweight championship bout between England's Amir Khan (24-1, 17 KOs) and Northern Ireland's Paul McCloskey (22-0, 12 KOs) in Manchester, England.

Berto is 27-0, has knocked out 21 of his opponents and has made seven straight appearances on HBO, which at times has touted him and Ortiz as the future faces of boxing.

But Berto hasn't beaten any of the top five welterweights in boxing. He knocked out Miguel Angel Rodriguez to win the WBC's 147-pound title when it was vacant and has been burdened by the perception that executives at HBO have given him low-risk, high-reward fights because of his partnership with powerful adviser Al Haymon.

"I feel I'll always get a little criticism," said Berto, of Winter Haven, Fla. "A lot of people believe in my skills and potential. … At the end of the day I don't listen to criticism. You need [courage] to step in the ring against anybody. I'm comfortable [with] myself and my true fans believe."

Others believe Ortiz (28-2-2, 22 KOs) will test Berto more than any of his three opponents since Luis Collazo (31-4, 16 KOs). Berto beat New York's Collazo by unanimous decision in their January 2009 fight in Biloxi, Miss., but the closely contested bout could've gone either way.

Like Collazo, Ortiz is a southpaw, only with more power. Berto doesn't deny Ortiz's obvious physical attributes, but he thinks his challenger has been a different fighter since Argentina's Marcos Maidana knocked him down twice and made him quit during their sixth round of their WBA junior welterweight title fight nearly two years ago in Los Angeles.

"I can out-power him, I can out-skill him, any way it goes," Berto, 27, said. "What showed in the Maidana fight, maybe he feels that he has a lot more to prove and he's willing to die to prove it. … There's no question about my heart. I have to question his [based on the Maidana fight]. When he had to endure [adversity], he didn't like to crack back. At the end of the day, you can't teach what beats in the chest. You either have heart or you don't."

Ortiz, 24, settled for a debatable majority draw in his last fight, a 10-rounder against junior welterweight contender Lamont Peterson (28-1-1, 14 KOs) on Dec. 11 in Las Vegas. Though he has moved up seven pounds to challenge Berto, Ortiz, of Oxnard, Calif., is taller than Berto and is hardly a blown-up junior welterweight.

"Mike Tyson once said, 'Everybody has a plan until they get hit,' " Ortiz said. "He says he has power. So do I. He says he has speed. So do I. … Berto hasn't been hit by someone like me. He'll see [Saturday night]."
 
Berto needs better comp than this. Ortis is done... he couldn't bang with a smaller dude and couldn't out box Peterson who isn't even that good.
 
merce77 said:
Truth.com, say what you will about Oscar but no one ever questioned his heart.
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Or his matchmaking skills.

If Berto doesn't win, I'll be shocked and he'll be done as a money fighter. I expect these two to have very physical, violent, entertaining fight. Two punchers with so-so defense usually gives us something good.
Berto has shown that he's tough and willing to fight, punch and be punched, particularly in the Collazo fight. Ortiz could have had a moment like that in the Maidana fight and quit.
 
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Upgrade Dave said:
Or his matchmaking skills.

If Berto doesn't win, I'll be shocked and he'll be done as a money fighter. I expect these two to have very physical, violent, entertaining fight. Two punchers with so-so defense usually gives us something good.
Berto has shown that he's tough and willing to fight, punch and be punched, particularly in the Collazo fight. Ortiz could have had a moment like that in the Maidana fight and quit.
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Good point, though I would hesitate to compare the light punches of Collazo to the mule-kick type of blows that Maidana delivers. Berto was rocked by a light hitting dude so that makes me question his chin. In contrast, Ortiz was never knocked out by Maidana, just beat up - son just quit when the seas got rough so he has a big question mark where his heart should be.
 
merce77 said:
Good point, though I would hesitate to compare the light punches of Collazo to the mule-kick type of blows that Maidana delivers. Berto was rocked by a light hitting dude so that makes me question his chin. In contrast, Ortiz was never knocked out by Maidana, just beat up - son just quit when the seas got rough so he has a big question mark where his heart should be.
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Agreed. I also hold it against Ortiz that he got a draw against Peterson, the lesser one I think, when he had a huge weight advantage. When you fight a noticeabley smaller guy, you should beat him, especially if you're a puncher. I got nothing against Lamont, he's a nice B fighter at best, but he shouldn't have even been in that fight past the 7th if Ortiz is this great prospect.
 
Upgrade Dave said:
Agreed. I also hold it against Ortiz that he got a draw against Peterson, the lesser one I think, when he had a huge weight advantage. When you fight a noticeabley smaller guy, you should beat him, especially if you're a puncher. I got nothing against Lamont, he's a nice B fighter at best, but he shouldn't have even been in that fight past the 7th if Ortiz is this great prospect.
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Most definitely, see my first post, the blue highlighted part.:lol:
 
Upgrade Dave said:
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I'm not against crying in and of itself but damn Vic. Berto might put him to sleep and give him something to cry about.
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Me neither - but - the part about him knowing that he won the fight strikes me as a full of shit statement. As does that whole bit about Maidana.:lol:
 
merce77 said:
Me neither - but - the part about him knowing that he won the fight strikes me as a full of shit statement. As does that whole bit about Maidana.:lol:
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lol... Dude was lucky to get the draw against Peterson. I don't fault him for losing or even quitting per se against Maidana except for the way he lost.

If you are getting rocked up or hurt really bad then you might have to do what you got to do, but dude seemed like he still had gas in the tank and he was banging with dude the whole time even in the end...

How the fuck you going try to bang with a motherfucker and then just quit?
 
Alaskanredman said:
lol... Dude was lucky to get the draw against Peterson. I don't fault him for losing or even quitting per se against Maidana except for the way he lost.

If you are getting rocked up or hurt really bad then you might have to do what you got to do, but dude seemed like he still had gas in the tank and he was banging with dude the whole time even in the end...

How the fuck you going try to bang with a motherfucker and then just quit?
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That's what killed me. Now to me quitting ain't really quitting if there is a serious medical reason...can't see out of an eye, really nasty cut, shit like that. But when you just quit after putting dude down a few times yourself, and you can still go, no bad cut, no nothing really, then you lack heart and you shouldn't be boxing - because that shit isn't for the fainthearted. Also, it showed a complete lack of boxing IQ on his part as well when he actually has boxing skill to fall back on.
 
Ortiz's only hope is his southpaw stance because Berto looks like shit against all southpaws. He is much less accurate against them, eats shots he normally wouldn't and looks off balance. The angle seems to throw him off totally. If it wasn't for that, I would say Berto with full confidence. If Ortiz wasn't known as a pussy, I would pick him easily. Ortiz by decision or Berto makes him quit again.
 
Zeferino said:
Ortiz's only hope is his southpaw stance because Berto looks like shit against all southpaws. He is much less accurate against them, eats shots he normally wouldn't and looks off balance. The angle seems to throw him off totally. If it wasn't for that, I would say Berto with full confidence. If Ortiz wasn't known as a pussy, I would pick him easily. Ortiz by decision or Berto makes him quit again.
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Good points. Berto needs to utilize that lead straight right tonight more than he normally does. That shit is the southpaw anti-venom. I see both being tentative early and then someone landing a good shot and fireworks ensuing with Berto getting the better of it. Ortiz will realize he can't win by banging away with Berto, will forget he actually has some boxing skills and remember that he has no heart.:lol:
 
patscorpio said:
can't wait for this...i feel as long as his heart and his mind is right..ortiz can ko berto
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There's always that possibility, if dude straps his balls on tight enough. Berto seems to have a weak chin, he was rocked pretty good by Collazo who is a light puncher compared to Ortiz. I just hope Berto doesn't turn it into a hold fest, he has as much to prove as Ortiz does.
 
Well
It was pee or get off the pot and Vic peed. Good for him and Andre for the quality of fight they put on. Punching power and size were the difference.

These two should fight again no later than November. There are no other money fights at welter and there's no interest in seeing them fight whatever lesser lights are in that division and still neither of them are in the Mayweather/Pacquiao discussion. HBO could sell this rematch.
 
Upgrade Dave said:
Well
It was pee or get off the pot and Vic peed. Good for him and Andre for the quality of fight they put on. Punching power and size were the difference.

These two should fight again no later than November. There are no other money fights at welter and there's no interest in seeing them fight whatever lesser lights are in that division and still neither of them are in the Mayweather/Pacquiao discussion. HBO could sell this rematch.
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Yup. But I hope they don't try to put the shit on PPV.:smh:
 
buk said:
In case the experts didn't hear it, but Ortiz won.
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Yes, and by decision. The same thing will happen again if they fight. Berto cannot fuck with southpaws and like I've said in the past, I don't know why his handlers keep putting him in with them. Berto must have fought at least 4 or 5 southpaws in his last six or seven fights. Before they started putting him in with them, Berto was actually on a pretty good roll. Once they started throwing him lefties, he started struggling with these guys and his stock started plummeting. These were meaningless fights for Berto and no win situations that just made him look bad.
 
Zeferino said:
Yes, and by decision. The same thing will happen again if they fight. Berto cannot fuck with southpaws and like I've said in the past, I don't know why his handlers keep putting him in with them. Berto must have fought at least 4 or 5 southpaws in his last six or seven fights. Before they started putting him in with them, Berto was actually on a pretty good roll. Once they started throwing him lefties, he started struggling with these guys and his stock started plummeting. These were meaningless fights for Berto and no win situations that just made him look bad.
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Hey. then he wasn't the real deal anyway. The really good ones can fuck with any stance, guess he's not that good to begin with. Dude has been getting over with athleticism and power against lesser opponents. Good for Ortiz - he finally found his balls.:lol:
 
playahaitian said:
truth Ortiz looks like they FORCING him to fight...

he aint no young De La Hoya:smh:
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well I'll be damned...

a faux hawk, sombero and a goatee was all the boy needed:rolleyes:

impressive win but Berto will get him in the rematch...

oh and Floyd...

u look soft and afraid sitting at ringside watching a REAL fight with 50.

Go get the PacMan already, money
 
merce77 said:
Hey. then he wasn't the real deal anyway. The really good ones can fuck with any stance, guess he's not that good to begin with. Dude has been getting over with athleticism and power against lesser opponents. Good for Ortiz - he finally found his balls.:lol:
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True somewhat. The really good ones can either handle it or their matchmakers are smart enough to keep them away from lefties if possible.
 
Can't really say Berto isn't good or was over rated, etc. It's funny how when a fighter loses, a lot of times these are adjectives which define them. Plus, there is no guarantee that Berto beats Ortiz in a rematch. There may be some truth to the weight drain, better at Welterweight scenario for Ortiz.

That being said, this doesn't mean Berto is no good or Ortiz is a world beater. The cliche is styles make fights, and I do believe Berto under estimated Ortiz. Like any sport, no matter how good or great a player or team is, there is always going to be one team or player that gives them trouble. The Heat and Celtics for instance. The Celtics gave them trouble, but that doesn't mean the Heat can't win the title, especially if they don't have to go through Boston to get it...

Berto will be Ok, maybe needs to add some wrinkles to his fight game a little, but the kid is definitely talented and for some fighters, that first lost is just the medicine they need to go to the elite level..

Kudos to Ortiz though, great show of heart and a great fight!!! :yes:
 
TJervey said:
Can't really say Berto isn't good or was over rated, etc. It's funny how when a fighter loses, a lot of times these are adjectives which define them. Plus, there is no guarantee that Berto beats Ortiz in a rematch. There may be some truth to the weight drain, better at Welterweight scenario for Ortiz.

That being said, this doesn't mean Berto is no good or Ortiz is a world beater. The cliche is styles make fights, and I do believe Berto under estimated Ortiz. Like any sport, no matter how good or great a player or team is, there is always going to be one team or player that gives them trouble. The Heat and Celtics for instance. The Celtics gave them trouble, but that doesn't mean the Heat can't win the title, especially if they don't have to go through Boston to get it...

Berto will be Ok, maybe needs to add some wrinkles to his fight game a little, but the kid is definitely talented and for some fighters, that first lost is just the medicine they need to go to the elite level..

Kudos to Ortiz though, great show of heart and a great fight!!! :yes:
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The problem is that the only couple of times Berto has stepped up in class really, against collazo and Ortiz, he's looked bad. I don't think that's a coincidence. I doubt he would have beaten Mosley either, prolly would have gotten ko'd. And god forbid if he actually would have gotten the fight with Pacquiao. He is an athletically talented fighter, not a skilled one, kinda like Jermain Taylor.
 
merce77 said:
The problem is that the only couple of times Berto has stepped up in class really, against collazo and Ortiz, he's looked bad. I don't think that's a coincidence. I doubt he would have beaten Mosley either, prolly would have gotten ko'd. And god forbid if he actually would have gotten the fight with Pacquiao. He is an athletically talented fighter, not a skilled one, kinda like Jermain Taylor.
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real talk...I was talking to my boy saying the same thing....Mosley, Pac and PBF would have embarrassed Berto....

he needs to switch trainers...and work on putting his punches together better...dude is constantly looking for a home run shot....:angry::smh:

that shit ain't going to work against elite competition.....

good heart and his chin held up....he needs a new camp...stop posting B/S vids on WSHH you haven't done shit to post all these vids with rappers and celebs popping bottles....

I would love to see him training with Stewart....

also April month of upsets....JaunMa, Kirkland,Berto :lol:
 
merce77 said:
The problem is that the only couple of times Berto has stepped up in class really, against collazo and Ortiz, he's looked bad. I don't think that's a coincidence. I doubt he would have beaten Mosley either, prolly would have gotten ko'd. And god forbid if he actually would have gotten the fight with Pacquiao. He is an athletically talented fighter, not a skilled one, kinda like Jermain Taylor.
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Agreed. In this division, he should still be able to maintain and steal a title here and there. But you are right, unless he tightens up some things, and stop always playing to his strengths, he will have a few more nights like this...
 
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