Almost 70 percent of black children are born out of wedlock

This is disgraceful. If immediate action isn't taken the black community will disentegrate. Its not money....we've been poor, Its not the government.....we've been slaves. Its sorry asses that don't tough it out ( I don't mean abuse). And don't do a proper pre-sex assesment of their mates men and women .............WAKE UP. At least take care of your seed.
 
For Black women under age 30, the percentage of first births either born or conceived before first marriage doubled from 43 percent during the 1930-34 period to 86 percent during 1990-94 (Table 2). In both periods, the majority of premaritally conceived first births to Black women were born out of wedlock. Only one in 10 Black women who had a premaritally conceived birth in 1990-94 was married by the time of the child's birth compared to one-quarter of these births in the 1930s (Figure 4).

http://www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0020/twps0020.html
 
hmmm


i have sooo many questions about this but i'll start here


do we have a problem with it as a whole OR does it depend on what class of black ppl are doing this?

the reason I ask this is because I know some professional women who are like 25-35 who have children out of wedlock b/c they really wanted children (some w/ actual bf's or friends while others thru IVF) and i don't hear much complaint about them

whereas

the chic who is struggling from the hood seems to get a lot of the bad stigma
 
hmmm



do we have a problem with it as a whole OR does it depend on what class of black ppl are doing this?

the reason I ask this is because I know some professional women who are like 25-35 who have children out of wedlock b/c they really wanted children (some w/ actual bf's or friends while others thru IVF) and i don't hear much complaint about them

whereas

the chic who is struggling from the hood seems to get a lot of the bad stigma
Interesting. I tend to look at it in terms of whether there is a harm. If single-parent households do not result in lesser degree of achievement and well being than two-parent households, I doubt that we'd be having this discussion. Of course, there would still be some people raising issues over single-parent households based on morality issues and others because they happen to believe that the whole notion of family means having both parents in the household.

I have to admit, however, that a 'stigma' does appear to attach to the low income single parent household vs. the higher income single parent household or the lower income two-parent household. Why? Because the unfortunate results tend to happen to the children of the lower income single parent? Because society is just looking for someone to point a finger? Because society looks upon it as having to take care of the children of the lower income single parent? I don't know. But, before I reach the 'stigma' question, I think its important to consider first whether, in general, children from lower income single-parents have far less of a chance to 'make it' than their two-parent lower income household counterparts ??? If so, if we can deal with the underlying problem, the superficial problem (the "stigma") should take care of itself.

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Interesting. I tend to look at it in terms of whether there is a harm. If single-parent households do not result in lesser degree of achievement and well being than two-parent households, I doubt that we'd be having this discussion. Of course, there would still be some people raising issues over single-parent households based on morality issues and others because they happen to believe that the whole notion of family means having both parents in the household.

I have to admit, however, that a 'stigma' does appear to attach to the low income single parent household vs. the higher income single parent household or the lower income two-parent household. Why? Because the unfortunate results tend to happen to the children of the lower income single parent? Because society is just looking for someone to point a finger? Because society looks upon it as having to take care of the children of the lower income single parent? I don't know. But, before I reach the 'stigma' question, I think its important to consider first whether, in general, children from lower income single-parents have far less of a chance to 'make it' than their two-parent lower income household counterparts ??? If so, if we can deal with the underlying problem, the superficial problem (the "stigma") should take care of itself.

QueEx

Good point. I posted this to see what responses/reactions are created from this.

You'd hit the economic dimension of it. I think that the majority of the single parent situations involve mothers raising their children, which becomes difficult for them to invest time in nurturing their children because they are worrying about the finances. I know that women who are financially successful do not have to worry about the problems most low income women would face about marriage. I posted a thread on Erykah Badu in the main forum and had many cats there call her a 'hoe' or a 'hoodrat' because of her out of wedlock children and called me inconsistent for defending her encouraging marriage.

http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=287037

Morally, it may be difficult for them to instill traditional religious value without seeming hypocritical they had sex out of wedlock which most of if not all religious establishments discourage/prohibit. Instead, they may have to focus on moral principles to instill in them. This however requires a bit of sophistication in explaining the values to the children.
 
An Enduring Crisis for the Black Family

An Enduring Crisis for the Black Family
By Kay Hymowitz
Saturday, December 6, 2008; Page A15

In the nearly half-century in which we have gone from George Wallace to Barack Obama, America has another, less hopeful story to tell about racial progress, one that may be even harder to reverse.

In 1965, a young assistant secretary of labor named Daniel Patrick Moynihan stumbled upon data that showed a rise in the number of black single mothers. As Moynihan wrote in a now-famous report for the Johnson administration, especially troubling was that the growth in illegitimacy, as it was universally called then, coincided with a decline in black male unemployment. Strangely, black men were joining the labor force more, but they were marrying -- and fathering -- less.

There were other puzzling facts. In 1950, at the height of the Jim Crow era and despite the shattering legacy of slavery, the great majority of black children -- an estimated 85 percent -- were born to their two married parents. Just 15 years later, there seemed to be no obvious reason that that would change. With the passage of the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act, legal barriers to equality were falling. The black middle class had grown substantially, and the first five years of the 1960s had produced 7 million new jobs. Yet 24 percent of black mothers were then bypassing marriage. Moynihan wrote later that he, like everyone else in the policy business, had assumed that "economic conditions determine social conditions." Now it seemed, "what everyone knew was evidently not so."
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President Lyndon Johnson was deeply shaken by Moynihan's findings. Neither man was driven by sentimentality or religious conviction, but both believed that fatherlessness undermined the "basic socializing unit." Intent on sounding a public alarm, Johnson declared during a commencement address at Howard University: "When the family collapses, it is the children that are usually damaged. When it happens on a massive scale, the community itself is crippled."

Unfortunately, those warnings were as prescient as they were reviled. Civil rights leaders, worried about reviving racist myths about black promiscuity, objected to what they viewed as blaming the victim. Feminists were inclined to look on the "strong black women" raising their children without men as a symbol of female autonomy. By the fall of 1965, when a White House conference on the black family was scheduled, the Moynihan report and the subject had disappeared.

But the silent treatment was the wrong medicine. Since 1965, through economic recessions and booms, the black family has unraveled in ways that have little parallel in human cultures. By 1980, black fatherlessness had doubled; 56 percent of black births were to single mothers. In inner-city neighborhoods, the number was closer to 66 percent. By the 1990s, even as the overall fertility of American women, including African Americans, was falling, the majority of black women who did bear children were unmarried. Today, 70 percent of black children are born to single mothers. In some neighborhoods, two-parent families have vanished. In parts of Newark and Philadelphia, for example, it is common to find children who are not only growing up without their fathers but don't know anyone who is living with his or her biological father.

And what has this meant for racial progress? Fifty years after Jim Crow, black U.S. households have the lowest median income of any racial or ethnic group. Close to a third of black children are poor, and their chances of moving out of poverty are considerably lower than those of their white peers. The fractured black family is not the sole explanation for these gaps, but it is central. While half of all black children born to single mothers are poor, that is the case for only 12 percent of those born to married parents. At least three simulation studies "marrying off" single mothers to either the fathers of their children or to potential husbands of similar demographic characteristics concluded that child poverty would be dramatically lower had marriage rates remained what they were in 1970.

Black married couples make a median household income of $62,000, which is more than 80 percent of what white households earn and represents a gain of 13 percentage points since the 1960s. Yet overall, black household median income is only 62 percent that of white households, a mere six-point increase over the same period.

Merely walking down the aisle can't explain these differences. Rather, the institution of marriage appears to promote ideals of stability, order and fidelity that benefit children and adults alike. Those who pin their hopes for black progress on education tend to forget this. Numerous studies, when controlled for income and race, show that, on average, children growing up with single mothers are less likely to graduate from high school and go to college. And Moynihan's discovery of a negligible relationship between "economic conditions and social conditions" suggests that even increases in black male employment are not a certain cure.

Through the power of his own example, Obama presents a chance to revive what Lyndon Johnson called "the next and the more profound stage of the battle for civil rights." Obama's memoir, "Dreams From My Father," conveys the economic, emotional and existential toll of growing up fatherless, and he has spoken movingly of his determination to ensure for his own children a different life. Yet tackling this issue won't be easy. When Obama gave a Father's Day speech lamenting "fathers . . . missing from too many lives and too many homes," Jesse Jackson was so incensed that he said he wanted to castrate Obama. Still, painful as the subject is, the alternative is far worse: racial inequality as far as the eye can see.

Kay Hymowitz, a contributing editor of City Journal, is author of "Marriage and Caste in America."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/05/AR2008120503088.html
 
To me, it's simple. What you subsidize, you get more of.

My wife and I are raising my sister's kids. My sister was horrible when it came to choosing men. She struggled, and unfortulately died from cancer. If it was not for the fact that I am in a married household, the kids would have ended up with a woefully underprepared father (who only wanted them because he thought the benefits would be much higher than they turned out to be), because seperately, no one in the family had the resouces (housing, money, healthcare, etc) to take care of them.

A lot of what she went through was affected by the perception that there would always be somebody to help her out, or there would be some program to help. It left her bitter and impoverished(sic).

All of this "I am women, hear me roar" rah rah sounds good until adult life starts beating on your back. Then, many women (and men) realize the folly of treating men like they are accesories. Sadly, it oftens happens too late.
 
I wonder what the percentage of white children born out of wedlock would be if they weren't aborted. :hmm:
 
Of course one of the biggest hypocrites contributed to this issue.

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source: usatoday

Posted 12/17/2003 12:00 PM Updated 12/18/2003 4:07 PM

Thurmond's illegitimate daughter speaks out
By Larry Copeland, USA TODAY
COLUMBIA, S.C. — She was a daughter facing life's lengthening shadows and reminiscing about a beloved father whom she dared not publicly acknowledge while he was alive.

Essie Mae Washington-Williams, 78, said Wednesday that finally being able to claim her heritage as the illegitimate child of the late senator Strom Thurmond and his family's black maid had brought her a measure of peace. (Related audio: Thurmond's daughter is glad secret is out)

"I am not bitter," Williams said at an emotional news conference in Columbia, S.C. "I am not angry. In fact, there is a great sense of peace that has come over me in the past year."

Yet because Strom Thurmond was long one of the nation's most diehard proponents of racial segregation, some historians and civil rights figures saw larger issues than a father-daughter story and a pending reunion with relatives Williams has never met.

Williams announced last week that she was the daughter that Thurmond never publicly acknowledged while he was alive. Thurmond, whose 48-year tenure in the Senate was the longest in history, died in June at 100. He had retired six months earlier.

Thurmond's family on Monday acknowledged Williams' claim. His oldest son, U.S. Attorney Strom Thurmond Jr., said he would like to meet his older half sister and start a friendship.

Williams was born in 1925 while her mother, Carrie Butler, then 16, was the maid at the Thurmond family home in Edgefield, S.C. Thurmond, who was living with his parents at the time, was 22.

Historians say this episode underlines one of the most entrenched taboos of Southern culture and highlights the different ways that blacks and whites often view their shared historical legacy.

"People have to understand that this is a part of the inheritance of slavery and segregation," says A.V. Huff, a retired historian from Furman University in South Carolina. "It was not uncommon for white slave owners to have sexual relations with women slaves, or at the end of slavery, with blacks who were in an inferior legal and economic position. It was seldom spoken of in the white community. But the oral tradition in black families kept knowledge of these types of relationships alive and well."

Williams was the subject of gossip in her native South Carolina for decades, but while Thurmond was alive, she denied that she was his daughter. She said Wednesday that she did not want to risk harming his political career.

"Throughout his life and mine, we respected each other," Williams said. "I was sensitive about his well-being and his career. I knew him beyond his public image.

"Certainly never did like the idea that he was a segregationist, but there was nothing I could do about it. That was his life."

Williams, a retired teacher who lives in Los Angeles, offered some historical perspective of her own.

"There are many stories like Sally Hemings' and mine," she said, referring to Thomas Jefferson's relationship with one of his black slaves. "The unfortunate measure is that not everyone knows about these stories that helped to make America what it is today."

Huff, a native South Carolinian, says he remembers hearing stories about several white fathers of black children when he was a teenager in Columbia in the early 1950s. One of those stories was about Thurmond and his daughter.

"A lot of people knew this," he says. "It just was not something that was widely printed or spoken of."

Huff says Williams' revelations are not likely to damage Thurmond's legacy because many South Carolinians already had heard rumors about her and because his family has accepted her claims.

The age of consent for sexual relations in South Carolina in the 1920s was 14. But that would have been just an irrelevant technicality, says historian Valinda Littlefield, a University of South Carolina professor specializing in Southern black history. "You're talking about a 15- or early-16-year-old maid," she says. "What choice does she have? This is a child, basically."

When Williams' claims were disclosed last weekend, some South Carolinians rushed to attack her and to defend Thurmond.

"Americans need to realize that we have a very complex history, and we need to quit lying to ourselves about what did and did not happen," Littlefield says.

Armstrong Williams, a black columnist and commentator who was a protégé of Thurmond, disputes parallels between Thurmond and Jefferson. "I've never seen any evidence that Jefferson took care of his children," says Armstrong, who calls the late senator "my hero." "I know Strom was there for his daughter. He was willing to risk it all. He would get in his car as governor and go to that campus to see his daughter."

Thurmond first met with his daughter when she was 16, encouraged her to attend South Carolina State College, where he visited her while governor, and sent her money until she got married. After her husband died at age 45, the payments resumed.

After decades as a governor and senator, Thurmond moderated his views on race relations. He eventually dropped his opposition to the Voting Rights Act and supported a national holiday honoring Martin Luther King Jr.

But this week's disclosure was seen as confirmation to some that he had not truly changed at all.

"He was a racist by day and a hypocrite by night," said the Rev. Joseph Lowery, who co-founded the Southern Christian Leadership Conference with King. "It's hypocrisy at its worst." Had Thurmond truly changed, Lowery said, he would have acknowledged his daughter during his lifetime.

Contributing: The Associated Press, The Greenville (S.C.) News

http://www.rbvincent.com/std.htm

Black folk are not the only ones doing it!
 
Remember, These Killers Were Not Born Out Of Wedlock!


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James Holmes


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Adam Lanza


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George Zimmerman
 
This is disgraceful. If immediate action isn't taken the black community will disentegrate. Its not money....we've been poor, Its not the government.....we've been slaves. Its sorry asses that don't tough it out ( I don't mean abuse). And don't do a proper pre-sex assesment of their mates men and women .............WAKE UP. At least take care of your seed.

I agree, casual sex should not be in our vocabulary until we are completely self determined in this land. Thats hard to accept but I believe it's true, I know this is a porn board but i feel this is true despite our many struggles with lust and desire as individuals. Our sexual energy can be used to liberate us when focused on the right partners. Brothers need to choose who they fuck wisely, only sex women who lean towards family building, "truth seeking" & compassion vs shopping at the mall, gossip & frivolous material acquisition. Folks need to understand that sexual energy is essentially a spiritual energy/vitality. We set the tone/are the catalyst for damn near everything through the course of history, until we change the world wont change. That why the media pushes so hard to keep us in the same "light" the same predicaments and same old mindsets of victim instead of empowered..
 
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I learned in this thread that if you get married and have a child then that child will commit mass murder. So obviously that means black people should just keep doing what they're doing.
 
I know most people see this number as some dire situation in and of itself but I don't think it is. I'm a big fan of good marriages (though I do not recommend them for everyone) but being born out of wedlock is not the issue, it's not having two attentive parents raising children. A child born to an unmarried woman does not necessarily equate to a fatherless child.
 
I learned in this thread that if you get married and have a child then that child will commit mass murder. So obviously that means black people should just keep doing what they're doing.

Which is why you have a learning disability.
 
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The Myth Of The Absent Black Father​


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Think Progress
by Tara Culp-Ressler Posted
January 16, 2014


The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recently published new data on the role that American fathers play in parenting their children. Most of the CDC’s previous research on family life — which the agency explores as an important contributor to public health and child development — has focused exclusively on mothers. But the latest data finds that the stereotypical gender imbalance in this area doesn’t hold true, and dads are just as hands-on when it comes to raising their kids.

That includes African-American fathers.

In fact, in its coverage of the study, the Los Angeles Times noted that the results “defy stereotypes about black fatherhood” because the CDC found that black dads are more involved with their kids on a daily basis than dads from other racial groups:

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<p>In some cases, the differences between black fathers and white or Latino fathers <a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2013/dec/20/local/la-me-black-dads-20131221">weren’t statistically significant</a>. Nonetheless, the fact that there’s no dramatic drop-off for African-American fathers is still a <a href="https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/423498087655428096">surprising revelation</a> for some people.

Considering the fact that “black fatherhood” is a phrase that is almost always <a href="http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/what-black-america-really-needs-committed-and-faithful-fathers/">accompanied</a> by the word “<a href="http://blackfatherhoodproject.com/">crisis</a>” in U.S. society, it’s understandable that the CDC’s results seem innovative. But in reality, the new data builds upon years of research that’s concluded that hands-on parenting is similar among dads of all races. There’s plenty of scientific evidence to bust this racially-biased myth.

The Pew Research Center, which has <a href="http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/06/14/the-new-american-father/">tracked this data for years</a>, consistently finds no big differences between white and black fathers. Gretchen Livingston, one of the senior researchers studying family life at Pew, <a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2013/dec/20/local/la-me-black-dads-20131221">wasn’t at all surprised</a> by the new CDC data. “Blacks look a lot like everyone else,” she pointed out.</p>
<p>Although black fathers are more likely to live separately from their children — the statistic that’s usually trotted out to prove the parenting “crisis” — many of them remain just as involved in their kids’ lives. Pew estimates that <a href="http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2011/06/15/a-tale-of-two-fathers/2/">67 percent</a> of black dads who don’t live with their kids see them at least once a month, compared to 59 percent of white dads and just 32 percent of Hispanic dads.

And there’s compelling evidence that number of black dads living apart from their kids stems from structural systems of <a href="http://prospect.org/article/daddy-issues-0">inequality and poverty</a>, not the unfounded assumption that African-American men somehow place less value on parenting. Equal numbers of black dads and white dads tend to agree that it’s important to be a father who provides emotional support, discipline, and moral guidance. There’s one area of divergence in the way the two groups approach their parental responsibilities: Black dads are even more likely to think it’s <a href="http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/06/14/the-new-american-father/"> important to financially provide</a> for their children.

<p>Dr. Roberta L. Coles, a sociology professor at Marquette University, has also researched black fathers for nearly a decade. Her most well-known work includes <a href="http://library.sbcc.edu/blog/2010/07/15/the-best-kept-secret-studies-the-often-overlooked-group-of-single-african-american-custodial-fathers/">The Best Kept Secret: Single Black Fathers</a> and <a href="http://www.amazon.com/The-Myth-Missing-Black-Father-ebook/dp/B005UOTB2O">The Myth of the Missing Black Father: The Persistence of Black Fatherhood in America</a>. Like Pew, Coles has also found that even though black dads may be less likely to marry their kids’ mothers, they typically remain involved in raising their children.

<p>In an <a href="http://thegrio.com/2014/01/15/responsible-black-fathers-americas-best-kept-secret/#s:me-and-my-men-1">interview with the Grio this week</a>, Coles explained that she’s invested in continuing to challenge the prevailing stereotypes in this area. “It’s important to get it out there that that’s not the whole picture,” Coles noted. “People need to know there are men out there trying to do their best.”

That’s the same reason that Kenrya Rankin Naasel recently published <em>Bet On Black</em>, <a href="http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kifanipress/bet-on-black-african-american-women-celebrate-fath">a collection of essays</a> in which African-American women share their stories of being raised by great fathers. “For years, we’ve all been bombarded with statistics that scream our men are not up to the important task of fathering,” she <a href="http://www.bet.com/news/lifestyle/2013/10/23/new-book-bet-on-black-celebrates-black-fatherhood.html">explained in an interview with BET</a> about her project. “Ultimately, I hope that <em>Bet On Black</em> challenges the rhetoric about our families and changes the conversation to one that celebrates rather than denigrates.”

<p>Despite the concrete evidence to dispel the prevailing assumptions about black dads, the conversation is still dominated by headlines like “<a href="http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Additional-Resources/Problem-with-Black-Fathers-Rick-Banks-11-29-2011.html">What’s the Problem with Black Fathers</a>?” and “<a href="http://oldschool1003.com/2585634/whos-your-daddy-absent-black-fathers/">Who’s Your Daddy: The Epidemic Of Absent Black Fathers</a>.” President Obama has <a href="http://www.ebony.com/news-views/mr-president-stop-throwing-black-people-under-the-bus-305#axzz2qbGvTU8e">drawn</a> some <a href="http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2013/02/obama-goes-after-black-fathers-again/">criticism</a> for repeatedly delivering <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/16/us/politics/15cnd-obama.html">speeches</a> about the importance of fatherhood to nonwhite audiences. And this past fall, when Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson’s two-year-old son <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/sports/2013/10/17/2798201/adrian-peterson/">tragically passed away</a>, the media wasted no time <a href="http://socialistworker.org/2013/10/24/open-season-on-black-fathers">falling back on all the stereotypes</a> about irresponsible black dads.

<p>The resistance to the research in the field may speak to the fact that racially-motivated stereotypes are particularly hard to break out of. For instance, despite the wealth of evidence <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/12/18/3081791/welfare-recipient-spending/">disproving Americans’ assumptions</a> about welfare recipients, the deeply-ingrained myth of the “<a href="http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/the-return-of-the-welfare-queen-20131212">welfare queen</a>” remains.



http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/01/16/3175831/myth-absent-black-father/


 
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