Allen Iverson Accuses Pistons of "LYING" About role!!

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According to ESPN, Allen Iverson says that the Detroit Pistons "lied" about his role....he was told--"straight-up"--- ( allegedly by former Pistons coach, Michael Curry) that he would 'start'.

He was later informed--again, by Curry--that it would be in the team's best interest, if he came off the bench behind Rip Hamilton. A.I told ESPN that was no way to treat a star of his magnitude.

Well, a scenario of this kind probably carries plenty of truth, and is definitely NOT a precedent in NBA annals. Other teams have probably been guilty of similar transgressions. At times such actions make sense. Especially if it involves getting an 'ending' contract. Sort of like the 'means justifying the end'. Had A.I. been in management, he'd have done the same thing.
 
I guess you mean the two part scoop Jackson interview. Most sites that I've been to only post part on it. It will piss off the people that don't like him and make bigger fans out of the ones that do.

I do see that he regrets leaving Denver. But the one thing I got out of that interview was this:

Jackson: Now let me ask you this: When Denver started winning once you were gone, do you think that hurt your value? Especially in the playoffs. Did that make GMs and owners around the league look at the Nuggets' success and say "This is what a team can do without Iverson"? Do you think that that played a role in how teams began to look at you?

Iverson: I love to answer that question. Because you have to look at the situation; you have to look at everything for what it is. Now, when I was there, we won 50 games and got beat by San Antonio [in the playoffs] the first year. The next year we win 50 games, and start off in the playoffs against the Lakers. Kobe has a monster series, and we get beat by them. Now last year, when I'm not there, they win, what, 54 games? -- four more games during the regular season -- and who did they face in the first round? Dallas. With a healthy Nene. Now, I'm not taking away anything from what they did, because they did a great job and they had a great playoff run. I mean, they were excellent. But the situation was different, totally different. It was more than just a difference in one player. But no one is going to look at it that way. No one is going to look at it that way when it comes to me. Because it's easy to point the finger at this dude right here.
 
Even if they did lie to him (as he claims), it shows no class to throw them under the bus like that. Sort of a TO type move. Just win dummy. That's shuts ALL critics up
 
Even if they did lie to him (as he claims), it shows no class to throw them under the bus like that. Sort of a TO type move. Just win dummy. That's shuts ALL critics up

True. But if you look at the division he's in, it's an uphill battle, There should be 3 teams that are guaranteed to go to the playoffs from that division (Spurs, Hornets, Mavs) and the Rockets should squeeze in at the end.

That being said, I've never seen dude go after anyone like that before..

He also echoes your sentiments. He says he has to win to shut his critics up.
 
Iverson: I love to answer that question. Because you have to look at the situation; you have to look at everything for what it is. Now, when I was there, we won 50 games and got beat by San Antonio [in the playoffs] the first year. The next year we win 50 games, and start off in the playoffs against the Lakers. Kobe has a monster series, and we get beat by them. Now last year, when I'm not there, they win, what, 54 games? -- four more games during the regular season -- and who did they face in the first round? Dallas. With a healthy Nene. Now, I'm not taking away anything from what they did, because they did a great job and they had a great playoff run. I mean, they were excellent. But the situation was different, totally different. It was more than just a difference in one player. But no one is going to look at it that way. No one is going to look at it that way when it comes to me. Because it's easy to point the finger at this dude right here.

I think that this was pointed out during the palyoffs by a certain BGOL member...I'm not going to say who ;)
 
Kind of. He is in a no win situation. All he can do at this point is prove he can do well as a second or third option.

I look at the current Grizzlies roster and I don't think that he will think that he is the second or third option on that team. Although he could be a second, who would be the first? Zach or Rudy?

I have NO idea what you are talking about..:rolleyes:

:D:D:D
 
I look at the current Grizzlies roster and I don't think that he will think that he is the second or third option on that team. Although he could be a second, who would be the first? Zach or Rudy?

The Griz are betting it all on OJ Mayo. It will be between Zach and A.I. to decide who is the second. A.I. was brought in for scoring during those times where the Griz aren't putting up points. (Their offense sucked last year.)

I have watched enough Knick games to know that Zach will stop playing and throw a tantrum when he doesn't get the calls, though. I'd be more worried about that.
 
The Griz are betting it all on OJ Mayo.

:hmm::hmm::hmm:

I'm not quite sold on Mayo yet...I'd rely more on Rudy than O.J. as far as running the offense goes...

They have a lot of talented players on the roster, but it will be interesting to see what the identity of the offense will be...They should be able to score in the upper 90s a game with the players that they have...
 
Yeah, but when the season starts and he ain't "meshing" with his teamates, they'll use this as yet another excuse. Frankly, I don't wanna hear it anymore. The truth is, he just doesn't WANT to mesh, he just wants everyone to follow him and that usually leads no where
 
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Detroit benched Rip Hamilton. Traded Billups and didn't resign Rasheed Wallace. Detroit has gone in a new direction. Iverson was never had any part in their new direction. It's not rocket science.

Iverson played for his teams. He meshed in Phili and Denver.

Detroit lied to A.I.. Players get played. The Nuggets were not better without him even though they had more core players on the floor.
 
Even if they did lie to him (as he claims), it shows no class to throw them under the bus like that.

I guess Rip was throwing him under the bus, too..

Hamilton looks to put frustration behind
By Marc Stein

Whether he gets to partake in an on-court reunion Wednesday night with Allen Iverson, Detroit Pistons guard Richard Hamilton says he still shares plenty of common ground with his former teammate.

Like Iverson, who left the Pistons during the summer to sign with the Memphis Grizzlies, Hamilton regards last season as the most frustrating of his NBA career and echoes Iverson's recent claims that he was lied to by ex-Pistons coach Michael Curry.

"Oh, by far," Hamilton said when asked if last season was the worst he'd experienced as a pro. "By far. When you have a coach that you've played with when I came to Detroit that lies to you, straight dead to your face, with all the things that I did here, that's a tough pill to swallow.


"But I'm past it. Far past it. My dad would always tell me [last season]: 'Don't get into it. Don't get into the media and yell and scream and cry. Just play.' And that's what I did. You come play basketball and people respect that and that's all I tried to do."

The Pistons will try to gain some more distance from the painful memories of their 39-43 record in 2008-09 and a first-round sweep by Cleveland when they open the new season at FedEx Forum. Iverson, though, is not expected to play in his first real game as a member of the Grizzlies after missing much of training camp with a partially torn left hamstring.

Earlier this month, in an interview with ESPN.com's Scoop Jackson, Iverson said he was lied to about his role on multiple occasions by Curry. Iverson said Curry assured him that he would always be a starter after his arrival from Denver in November in a trade for Chauncey Billups.

Hamilton made the same assertions about being misled by Curry in a recent sitdown with ESPN.com, illuminating the depths of the disconnect between Curry and his veterans. The tension ultimately convinced Pistons president Joe Dumars that he had to fire Curry on July 1 after only one season, when it became apparent that Curry regaining respect in the locker room was unlikely.

After being moved to the bench to accommodate Iverson -- an unpopular move with Pistons veterans, given Hamilton's long and successful tenure in Detroit -- Hamilton was moved back into the starting lineup ahead of Iverson late in the season, which ultimately led to Iverson leaving the Pistons in April after playing in just three games as a reserve.

"I don't believe that the guys here believed that I should have come off the bench and I don't believe that guys thought Allen should come off the bench," Hamilton said. "I heard Allen made the comment that guys came to [Curry] and told him they don't want to play if Rip ain't starting. I spoke to Allen and he told me the same thing, but I told him that's tough to believe when nobody was speaking [to Curry]. Nobody [was] communicating with this coach.

"And that was just one of many lies. From a head-coaching standpoint, you don't do that in the middle of the season. ... You don't try to throw your team under the boat because of a decision you wanted to make."


Pistons officials declined comment when reached Wednesday by ESPN.com. Curry could not immediately be reached for comment.

Hamilton, meanwhile, finds himself confronted by new challenges as the Pistons prepare to face the Grizzlies, as one of the few remaining links to the group that won a championship in 2004 and reached the Eastern Conference finals in six straight seasons.

There is a growing sense around the league, according to NBA front-office sources, that either Hamilton or Tayshaun Prince will be dealt before the league's annual trading deadline in February. Hamilton's name has come up often, given that Detroit's backcourt also features two other prominent scoring guards in Rodney Stuckey and free-agent signee Ben Gordon.

In addition to its logjam at shooting guard, Detroit has a clear need for a more traditional set-up man as well as a proven big man. Hamilton, though, maintains that he and Prince aren't gripped by fears of "Who's next?" to be traded after the recent departures of Billups, Rasheed Wallace and Antonio McDyess.

"Not at all," Hamilton said. "Different guys left for different [reasons]. I think, at the time, Tay and I were the two youngest [Pistons veterans]. Now we're the two oldest, but I don't think that here in Detroit they want to start all the way over and just blow up everything and be a team that wins 10, 12 games. I think we still want to win. I think as long as [he and Prince] go out and play, we're good."

Hamilton disputes the notion that he and Gordon can't coexist, countering skepticism about Detroit's ability to win with three small guards -- none of them a traditional point guard -- by saying that the Pistons had to "have more scorers" than they've fielded in past seasons to be successful. He is also quick to point out that the Pistons' title teams, from Dumars' era and this decade's champs, had All-Star caliber players such as Vinnie Johnson and Mehmet Okur coming off the bench.

"It can definitely work," Hamilton said.

After telling the Detroit News earlier this month that he hopes to retire a Piston and ultimately see his No. 32 raised to the rafters, Hamilton revealed another reason for his determination to stay in Detroit: Ben Wallace's return to the club this season.

"I love it," Hamilton said. "I think it's good for me. As crazy as the year was last year, to have one of my brothers come back that knows me personally, somebody I can talk to not about basketball, [Wallace's] coming back here makes me at ease.

"Last year was last year. I always say that. I'm happy I went through it, just for the simple fact that it doesn't make me [complacent]. Regardless of what you do and accomplish anywhere, you still have to prove yourself night in and night out. You never know what somebody else is thinking.

"I love that people say that we're not title contenders. I don't look at it like that. I don't look at it as a rebuilding year. I don't think Ben would want to come back if this was just a rebuilding year. I love that we're kind of flying under the radar. ... In previous years, we all took on a leadership role, but now I've really got to be a lot more outspoken, watching what I do, watching what I say, because I know the young guys really pay attention. It's a new stage in my career and I thrive on it."

As for his relationship with Iverson, Hamilton told the Memphis Commercial Appeal: "We loved him, he loved us. We were all friends, we were all brothers. Like I said, certain people make it complicated when it shouldn't be complicated."
 
I guess Rip was throwing him under the bus, too..


Seems to me that Hamilton was only talking about the coach. He specifically mentions Curry by name and no one else. Might've still be kind of childlike in the behavior (imagine someone doing an INDEPTH interview like that about Riley) but at least it did not cast aspersions upon the entire organization like Iverson's assertions
 
Seems to me that Hamilton was only talking about the coach. He specifically mentions Curry by name and no one else. Might've still be kind of childlike in the behavior (imagine someone doing an INDEPTH interview like that about Riley) but at least it did not cast aspersions upon the entire organization like Iverson's assertions

I still think that Joe--a nice guy, an a little image conscious--was behind the whole deal. After all, Curry was his personal flunky. Joe asked him to do the 'dirty work', telling him that the info(concerning A.I.'s role) should come from him--the Coach, and Curry took it from there. One would have to be real naive to assume that something that 'heavy' would NOT have Joe's stamp-of-approval....Rip's comments to the contrary. Plus, Curry is no longer in the neighborhood.
 
If he just shut up and played off the bench, and said I want to win the 6th man award. Everybody would be happy. It saddens me to see him doing all this to him self.
 
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Detroit benched Rip Hamilton. Traded Billups and didn't resign Rasheed Wallace. Detroit has gone in a new direction. Iverson was never had any part in their new direction. It's not rocket science.

Iverson played for his teams. He meshed in Phili and Denver.

Detroit lied to A.I.. Players get played. The Nuggets were not better without him even though they had more core players on the floor.
U must not be no where near Detroit....
Or you would have heard the press conferences when he got here..
mofo said he'd do whatever to win...AND he did start ...and did not produce.....he was to busy hangin at The Motor City Casino....

I won't put the entire blame of The Piston demise on him...would not be fair...But he helped in it...

Look Pistons were a top tier "team" before he arrived....Why the fuck would they center their shit around a dude that had NO RING and had no concept of playin WITH a team....

I will always give him propz for his hustle and hardcore play....But he is not a WINNER and Fuck a Team it's bout me seems to be his philosophy....yall really need to stop Dick Ridin this nigga....That's probably why he all fucked up now...and delusional!!
 
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