Al Qaeda: 'Get Set to Fill Iraq Void'

QueEx

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<font size="6"><center>al-Qaida No. 2:
Get Set to Fill Iraq Void</font size></center>

<font size="4"><center>"... the United States 'ran and left' in Vietnam
and the jihadists must have a plan ready to fill the void
if the Americans suddenly leave Iraq ...
We must be ready starting now"</font size></center>

Guardian Unlimted
Wednesday October 12, 2005 2:01 AM
By KATHERINE SHRADER
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - In a letter to his top deputy in Iraq, al-Qaida's No. 2 leader said the United States ``ran and left their agents'' in Vietnam and the jihadists must have a plan ready to fill the void if the Americans suddenly leave Iraq.

``Things may develop faster than we imagine,'' Ayman al-Zawahri wrote in a letter to his top deputy in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. ``The aftermath of the collapse of American power in Vietnam - and how they ran and left their agents - is noteworthy. ... We must be ready starting now.''

Senior U.S. military commanders have said that Iraqi security forces are improving significantly and some U.S. forces could return home early next year. Yet skeptics have raised concerns about whether such statements simply let the insurgency know how long they must wait for the U.S. to leave.

In a letter taking up 13 typed pages in its English translation, al-Zawahri also recommended a four-stage expansion of the war that would take the fighting to neighboring Muslim countries.

``It has always been my belief that the victory of Islam will never take place until a Muslim state is established ... in the heart of the Islamic world,'' al-Zawahri wrote.

The letter laid out his long-term plan: expel the Americans from Iraq, establish an Islamic authority and take the war to Iraq's secular neighbors, including Lebanon, Jordan and Syria.

The final stage, al-Zawahri wrote, would be a clash with Israel, which he said was established to challenge ``any new Islamic entity.''

The letter is dated July 9, and was acquired during U.S. operations in Iraq. It was written in Arabic and translated by the U.S. government. The Pentagon briefed reporters last week on portions of the document, but the full text was not available until Tuesday.

In a statement, the National Intelligence Director's office said the letter ``has not been edited in any way'' and its contents were released only after it was clear no military or intelligence operations would be compromised.

House Intelligence Chairman Peter Hoekstra, R-Mich., said his committee is reviewing the letter, but he cautioned ``against reading too much into a single source of intelligence.''

In his letter, al-Zawahri, a Sunni, devoted significant attention to al-Zarqawi's attempts to start a civil war with the rival Muslim Shiite sect, the majority that now dominates the new Iraqi government. Ultimately, al-Zawahri concluded that violence, particularly against Shiite mosques, only raises questions among Muslims.

``This matter won't be acceptable to the Muslim populace however much you have tried to explain it, and aversion to this will continue,'' he wrote.

Al-Zawahri was also critical of the Taliban, which was toppled in the 2001 U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan, because, he said, they did not have the representation of the Afghan people. He said students of the Taliban retreated to their tribes.

``Even the devout ones took the stance of spectator,'' al-Zawahri wrote.

Contrasting that, he saw fearlessness in battles waged in the Iraqi cities of Fallujah, Ramadi and Al Qaim.

At times, the letter got personal. Al-Zawahri said he tasted the bitterness of America's brutality, noting that his ``favorite wife's chest was crushed by a concrete ceiling'' during an apparent U.S. attack. His daughter died of a cerebral hemorrhage.

To this day, he wrote, he did not know the location of their graves.

The letter then switches to the court of public opinion.

``More than half of this battle is taking place in the battlefield of the media,'' he wrote. ``We are in a media battle in a race for the hearts and minds of our umma,'' or community of Muslims, he wrote.

The line is an apparent reference to a phrase - ``hearts and minds'' - often used by President Bush.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-5337583,00.html
 
Letter from al-Zawahiri to al-Zarqawi
October 11, 2005
ODNI News Release No. 2-05


Today the Office of the Director of National Intelligence released a letter between two senior al Qa'ida leaders, Ayman al-Zawahiri and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, that was obtained during counterterrorism operations in Iraq. This lengthy document provides a comprehensive view of al Qa'ida's strategy in Iraq and globally.

The letter from al-Zawahiri to al-Zarqawi is dated July 9, 2005. The contents were released only after assurances that no ongoing intelligence or military operations would be affected by making this document public.

The document has not been edited in any way and is released in its entirety in both the Arabic and English translated forms. The United States Government has the highest confidence in the letter's authenticity.

Al-Zawahiri's letter offers a strategic vision for al Qa'ida's direction for Iraq and beyond, and portrays al Qa'ida's senior leadership's isolation and dependence.

Among the letter's highlights are discussions indicating:

- The centrality of the war in Iraq for the global jihad.


- From al Qa'ida's point of view, the war does not end with an American departure.


- An acknowledgment of the appeal of democracy to the Iraqis.


- The strategic vision of inevitable conflict, with a tacit recognition of current political dynamics in Iraq; with a call by al-Zawahiri for political action equal to military action.


- The need to maintain popular support at least until jihadist rule has been established.


- Admission that more than half the struggle is taking place "in the battlefield of the media."

THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE HAS POSTED THE "LETTER" HERE:

http://www.dni.gov/release_letter_101105.html


.

QueEx
 
<font size="3">The letter is a very interesting read and shows not only that Al Qaeda is determined, but also that it plans (but we already knew that) for our demise. It also shows, in my opinion, that we shouldn't have gone into Iraq -- instead, we should have pursued these MOFO'S with <u>reckless abandon</u>.

Also note, the DNI advises you when you enter its website that information is being collected from you - though it says nothing personal. LOL. Somewhat intimidating (in the Patriot Act world in which we now live) but don't some of you BGOL wannabe cyber faux jihadist say I didn't warn you. LMBAO!

QueEx
 
We created the shit that is happening in Iraq,I told people once we got there,we would be there forever,just like in Korea.If we leave,just like Al Quaeda will be ready to pounce. :angry: :smh: :yes: :(
 
African Herbsman said:
It's amazing how they "find" these letters. Good read nontheless.
You think maybe they [our government and its agents, etc.] just "Invented" the letter ???

QueEx
 
So I take it Al Qaeda thinks the Shite led Iran backed government will just lay down and become a terror state at the feet of Zarqawi?
 
Gods_Favorite said:
So I take it Al Qaeda thinks the Shite led Iran backed government will just lay down and become a terror state at the feet of Zarqawi?
Isn't it our contention that Iran is harboring members of Al Qaeda ??? Since 1979, hasn't Iran either undergone or is still going through an Islamic Revolution ??? Might the Sunnis in Iraq be just a tool -- while AQ in Iraq may be using them for their aims, aren't there allegations running wild right now that Iran is also fomenting trouble in Iraq ??? Who is Hezbollah ??? Didn't we label Iran part of the Axis of Evil in part because of its support for terrorism ???

QueEx
 
QueEx said:
Isn't it our contention that Iran is harboring members of Al Qaeda ??? Since 1979, hasn't Iran either undergone or is still going through an Islamic Revolution ??? Might the Sunnis in Iraq be just a tool -- while AQ in Iraq may be using them for their aims, aren't there allegations running wild right now that Iran is also fomenting trouble in Iraq ??? Who is Hezbollah ??? Didn't we label Iran part of the Axis of Evil in part because of its support for terrorism ???

QueEx

Zarqawi has declared all out war on the shites in Iraq, Bin Laden and Al Qaeda do not consider the shites to be real Muslims and call them apostates. I know Iran is backing certain terror groups like Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, etc. but not all these groups have the same ambition to turn Iraq into the next Afghanistan, just because Iran has no love for us doesnt mean they will sit by and watch Zarqawi have his way in Iraq and that goes for all Iraqs neighbors Syria, Jordan, Turkey etc. Iran benefits by having a shite run government next door, not a chaotic war torn country that will have thousands of refugees flocking to the Iranian border.
 
Gods_Favorite said:
Zarqawi has declared all out war on the shites in Iraq, Bin Laden and Al Qaeda do not consider the shites to be real Muslims and call them apostates. I know Iran is backing certain terror groups like Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, etc. but not all these groups have the same ambition to turn Iraq into the next Afghanistan, just because Iran has no love for us doesnt mean they will sit by and watch Zarqawi have his way in Iraq and that goes for all Iraqs neighbors Syria, Jordan, Turkey etc. Iran benefits by having a shite run government next door, not a chaotic war torn country that will have thousands of refugees flocking to the Iranian border.
Hey, I don't dispute what you say about the Shia-Sunni differences and their backers -- but what we are talking about really is what Iraq may ultimately end up looking like. Iran didn't seem to have too much of a problem with Taliban-run Afghanistan hosting AQ.

QueEx
 
QueEx said:
Hey, I don't dispute what you say about the Shia-Sunni differences and their backers -- but what we are talking about really is what Iraq may ultimately end up looking like. Iran didn't seem to have too much of a problem with Taliban-run Afghanistan hosting AQ.

QueEx

The Taliban and Iran loathed each other, the Taliban executed 8 Iranian diplomats traveling through Afghanistan and Iran put troops on their border, they almost went to war over it. This happened back in 97-98 I believe. As far as what Iraq may look like, their government will probably be similar to Iran, not a wacked out backwards caveman Islamic regime that Zarqawi and Zawahiri want, there is a difference between an Islamic state like Iran and Pakistan and a caveman state like Taliban-run Afghanistan.
 
Gods_Favorite said:
The Taliban and Iran loathed each other, the Taliban executed 8 Iranian diplomats traveling through Afghanistan and Iran put troops on their border, they almost went to war over it. This happened back in 97-98 I believe. As far as what Iraq may look like, their government will probably be similar to Iran, not a wacked out backwards caveman Islamic regime that Zarqawi and Zawahiri want, there is a difference between an Islamic state like Iran and Pakistan and a caveman state like Taliban-run Afghanistan.
You are right indeed -- there was no love loss between the Taliban and Iran. I may not have stated in clearly, but my point was that Iran didn't exactly chase Al Qaeda out of Afghanistan before 2001 -- which means to me, at least, Iran will partner with or <u>tolerate</u> many different interests when it suits its interests. Tolerating AQ in some part of Iraq (as the void fills in case of a withdrawal) might not necessarily be against its interests.

QueEx
 
QueEx said:
Tolerating AQ in some part of Iraq (as the void fills in case of a withdrawal) might not necessarily be against its interests.

QueEx

That maybe but from reading the letters I take it Al Qaeda wants complete control of the whole country.
 
<font size="5"><center>Iraq: Security Challenges after the U.S. Withdrawal</font size></center>

STRATFOR
Daily Intelligence Brief
October 13, 2005

The U.S. Directorate of National Intelligence on Oct. 11 released the full text of an 11-page letter purportedly from al Qaeda deputy leader Ayman al-Zawahiri to al Qaeda in Iraq commander Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. In the letter, al-Zawahiri praises his deputy for his "heroic acts" in defense of Islam and Muslims, and urges him to continue in the struggle. Mainly, however, the letter focuses on guiding the future strategic direction of the fight in Iraq, especially after U.S. and coalition military forces depart -- which al-Zawahiri says he believes will come soon. The letter goes on to say that the network has political objectives in Iraq, namely the destruction of the coalition-instituted government and its replacement with al Qaeda leaders.

Many jihadist groups and their sympathizers strongly resent the presence of foreign military troops in the sacred territory of Iraq, which holds strong historical and religious significance within Islam. That said, however, the withdrawal of U.S. and coalition forces from Iraq -- and we expect a major drawdown beginning early in 2006 -- will not bring an end to the violence or to the jihadist movement within the country. On the contrary, al-Zawahiri's message indicates his belief that the withdrawal of foreign troops will present al Qaeda and its affiliates with a good opportunity to gain greater control over the country. As the political process develops, the potential for violence against both Iraqi targets and Western businesses attempting to establish operations inside the country will not decrease. Additionally, any businesses, humanitarian organizations or non-governmental organizations that are thought to be aiding or supporting that government will be viewed as legitimate targets for attack.

The development of modern infrastructure and a capable security presence in Iraq has required the presence of a large number of foreign businesses -- ones that will remain long after coalition troops relinquish control over the country. Multinational corporations working with the newly formed Iraqi government and establishing private business operations must be prepared for the troop departure. Beyond supplying basic security services, the troops also are providing security for such things as bridges, pipelines and government buildings. Though Iraqi security forces are training to fulfill such roles, they can progress only so far so fast. Even the most highly trained and effective security forces in the world, including Delta Force and SEAL teams, have fallen victim to militant attacks.

Foreign military facilities, convoys and air transports all have come under attack by insurgents and jihadists. Although Iraq offers no shortage of potential targets, the withdrawal of U.S. troops will eliminate one major target set -- meaning the nationalists and the jihadists will have to aim their weapons elsewhere. Corporations and contractors operating inside the country, then, likely will face additional security challenges. Even if foreign firms and workers avoid being in the direct line of fire, attacks against critical infrastructure such as electricity substations, bridges, oil pipelines, hospitals, and aircraft will negatively impact their operations. These foreign companies also could see collateral damage to facilities and products.

Although the number of contractors and businesspeople killed in Iraq has fallen in recent months, the country remains a dangerous place for all parties involved. Just as al Qaeda and the jihadists are planning for the next step in the process, individuals and businesses operating in the country must also be ready to confront the new challenges the withdrawal will pose.
 
QueEx said:
You think maybe they [our government and its agents, etc.] just "Invented" the letter ???

QueEx

They manufactured evidence to go to war. A mere letter is simple.

Who stands to gain the most from Al queda spreading the conflict to neighboring countries? The same neocons who've already said they want to spread democracy (American dominance) throughout the region. Al queda is simply tool being used to achieve this goal.
 
Even Al Qaeda says it's a fake. Keep drinking administration kool aid fellas.



Al Qaeda in Iraq says Zawahri letter is fake: Web

1 hour, 46 minutes ago

DUBAI (Reuters) - Al Qaeda's wing in
Iraq on Thursday rejected as a fabrication a letter by top group leader Ayman al-Zawahri which was issued by U.S. officials this week, according to an Internet posting.

"We in Al Qaeda Organization announce that there is no truth to these claims, which are only based on the imagination of the politicians of the Black (White) House and their slaves," the group said in a statement posted on an Islamist Web site.

According to the letter, released this week by U.S. intelligence officials, al Qaeda's second in command Zawahri urged the group's leader in Iraq to prepare for an Islamic government to take over the country when U.S. forces leave. He said brutal tactics risked alienating Muslims.

"This is proof of the obvious bankruptcy plaguing the infidels' camp," said the statement signed by the group's spokesman in Iraq.

"All of this is in a letter attributed to our Mujahid sheikh...and naturally we do not know how and where this letter is to have been found," it added.

U.S. officials said the July 9 letter, addressed to Iraq's al Qaeda leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, was obtained during counter-terrorism operations in Iraq.

The letter, which appeared to show divisions between Zarqawi and al Qaeda's top leaders, was released days before Iraqis were to vote in a referendum on a new constitution in which U.S. authorities hope for a large turnout among Sunni Muslim Arabs.

Many Sunni Arabs oppose Saturday's referendum, however, and some experts believe Zarqawi declared war on Iraq's majority Shi'ite population last month to curry favor among the disaffected.

The Zawahri letter warned Zarqawi the killing of Shi'ite civilians and hostages risked alienating Sunnis at a time when al Qaeda in Iraq should be seeking popular support for a new religious state.
 
The letter may be manufactured -- a complete fake. However, Qaeda-Iraq saying, "naturally we do not know how and where this letter is to have been found" does little to support your contention. Maybe Zarqawi's ice is just colder to you than anybody else's.

QueEx
 
and, it's harder to consider everything in the haystack than it is to select a straw and call it a needle.
 
You're grasping for straws.

I've considered the never ending lies of the administration. It's hard to believe anything coming out of washington. The wool has been pulled over the eyes of the entire nation. It's ok to question our leaders. They haven't outlawed it, yet.
 
African Herbsman said:
You're grasping for straws.

I've considered the never ending lies of the administration. It's hard to believe anything coming out of washington. The wool has been pulled over the eyes of the entire nation. It's ok to question our leaders. They haven't outlawed it, yet.
WTF ??? Most people around here try at least half-assed to look at issues from several points of view -- knowing that there is some bullshit and some truth in most of it. You simply reject one outright, without any apparent examination, and adopt any view thats contrary to the so-called main-stream. I'm not grasping for straws, I'm more into weeding out the bullshit -- instead of merely adopting anything contrary to GW's ass as the gospel.

QueEx
 
ONE YEAR LATER ...

This thread is as relevant today as it was a year ago ..
 
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