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Africans are not "Black"
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Many Africans do not consider themselves "Black"
They like to consider themselves just "African"
They like to consider themselves just "African"
Dumb cac... 
so does that mean a crakkas born in Africa who moves to the US and gets citizenship marks their applications and census as African American ?
Black is a western construct that does have political value in the west. However black does not describe the vast richness of ethnicities and cultures. I prefer Afro-Diasporan People personally.
With that said look at these Asians none of them are Afro People but they are dark or just as dark as Afro People.
With that said look at these Asians none of them are Afro People but they are dark or just as dark as Afro People.
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Actually no.....
Q: A reader commented on our article ‘You Must Have Voted for Obama’: 5 Things NEVER to Say to Blacks. He quoted a portion of that article and made an observation that makes for a good teachable moment.
“Don’t assume all Blacks are African-American; there also are people who are African, Afro-Latino, Afro-European, Afro-Caribbean, etc.”
Thank you for posting that. One of my best friends in high school was Black but traced his ancestry back to France. It bothered him whenever someone referred to him as “African-American.”
On the flip side, one of my son’s best friends in high school was born in America, but both of his parents were born and raised in Africa. He could legitimately be called “African-American” but probably never will be since all of them are Caucasian.
Just goes to show, you can’t judge a book by its cover … or a person by his/her color.
A: Yes and no. I acknowledge that you posted your comment with positive sincerity; however, I agree with your first point, but not the second.
“African-American” refers to descendants of enslaved Black people who are from the United States. The reason we use an entire continent (Africa) instead of a country (e.g., “Italian-American”) is because slave masters purposefully obliterated tribal ancestry, language and family units in order to destroy the spirit of the people they enslaved, thereby making it impossible for their descendants to trace their history prior to being born into slavery. This was all in an effort to prevent enslaved people from organizing and revolting their bondage (look up Nat Turner).
Enforcing illiteracy of enslaved people (by law, with severe penalties—including death in some cases—for teaching an enslaved person to write) and obliterating any sense of history or familial ties was a tradition in our country starting in 1619 (before the Revolution) and ending after the Civil War. (One can argue that this practice continued into the 20th century.) This is why our African-American fellow citizens cannot trace their heritage past the continent of Africa. I’ll re-emphasize this point: Their personal and family history was purposefully obliterated by people who enslaved other people.
For purposes of respect, as well as providing context to current-day events and economic realities, it is important to acknowledge and understand this part of American history. America is unique in having people who are African-American. For a personal insight into what all this means, I suggest you read Frederick Douglass’ autobiography My Bondage and My Freedom. In addition to learning history in a very real and first-person way, you‘ll also learn things about our language—for example, the bone-chilling origin of the common phrase “sold down the river.” For an outstanding overview of the repercussions of slavery in the modern-day era, I most strongly recommend Michelle Alexander’s recent book The New Jim Crow.
In the case of your son’s friend, post-slavery immigrants from a country in Africa can readily identify themselves by where they came from—it’s on their passports. Black immigrants from Africa can identify themselves by country and tribe (keep in mind that country boundaries in Africa are chiefly colonial constructs). A modern-day immigrant from Africa may refer to him- or herself by a hyphenated identity—“Sudanese-American,” for example.
A special note for the people who email me about their white ancestors who were enslaved: Virginia codified slave laws to be exclusive to Black people in 1705 (establishing white supremacy), and indentured servitude was ended by the early 1800s. Comparing indentured servitude of white people to the history of African-Americans is insulting, in my opinion, and I won’t entertain it in this publication.
lol...10 pages
this has nothin to do with any of that sir
Somebody didn't shave their mustache this morning!Black is a western construct that does have political value in the west. However black does not describe the vast richness of ethnicities and cultures. I prefer Afro-Diasporan People personally.
With that said look at these Asians none of them are Afro People but they are dark or just as dark as Afro People.
Yah...I think say im black. No one really ask me my ethnicity a lot either but if i got the question frequently, i'd say im African.
Somebody didn't shave their mustache this morning!
That is not a tache. It is the lighting angle that is giving that appearance.
So, this dude really believes he's dropping some "pearls of wisdom" on the unenlightened masses, huh...? 
This is a clear example of the sheer ignorance on the part of some people because they're foolish enough to believe that one of the largest continents on the face of the Earth is comprised of only ONE ethnicity.
This type of "knowledge" has been available for years.
You can generally find it in these things called "books"...
This is a clear example of the sheer ignorance on the part of some people because they're foolish enough to believe that one of the largest continents on the face of the Earth is comprised of only ONE ethnicity.
This type of "knowledge" has been available for years.
You can generally find it in these things called "books"...
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Black is a western construct that does have political value in the west. However black does not describe the vast richness of ethnicities and cultures. I prefer Afro-Diasporan People personally.
With that said look at these Asians none of them are Afro People but they are dark or just as dark as Afro People.
Asiatic blacks
Asiatic yes, but not Afro People.
Like this chick?
Actually no.....
Q: A reader commented on our article ‘You Must Have Voted for Obama’: 5 Things NEVER to Say to Blacks. He quoted a portion of that article and made an observation that makes for a good teachable moment.
“Don’t assume all Blacks are African-American; there also are people who are African, Afro-Latino, Afro-European, Afro-Caribbean, etc.”
Thank you for posting that. One of my best friends in high school was Black but traced his ancestry back to France. It bothered him whenever someone referred to him as “African-American.”
On the flip side, one of my son’s best friends in high school was born in America, but both of his parents were born and raised in Africa. He could legitimately be called “African-American” but probably never will be since all of them are Caucasian.
Just goes to show, you can’t judge a book by its cover … or a person by his/her color.
A: Yes and no. I acknowledge that you posted your comment with positive sincerity; however, I agree with your first point, but not the second.
“African-American” refers to descendants of enslaved Black people who are from the United States. The reason we use an entire continent (Africa) instead of a country (e.g., “Italian-American”) is because slave masters purposefully obliterated tribal ancestry, language and family units in order to destroy the spirit of the people they enslaved, thereby making it impossible for their descendants to trace their history prior to being born into slavery. This was all in an effort to prevent enslaved people from organizing and revolting their bondage (look up Nat Turner).
Enforcing illiteracy of enslaved people (by law, with severe penalties—including death in some cases—for teaching an enslaved person to write) and obliterating any sense of history or familial ties was a tradition in our country starting in 1619 (before the Revolution) and ending after the Civil War. (One can argue that this practice continued into the 20th century.) This is why our African-American fellow citizens cannot trace their heritage past the continent of Africa. I’ll re-emphasize this point: Their personal and family history was purposefully obliterated by people who enslaved other people.
For purposes of respect, as well as providing context to current-day events and economic realities, it is important to acknowledge and understand this part of American history. America is unique in having people who are African-American. For a personal insight into what all this means, I suggest you read Frederick Douglass’ autobiography My Bondage and My Freedom. In addition to learning history in a very real and first-person way, you‘ll also learn things about our language—for example, the bone-chilling origin of the common phrase “sold down the river.” For an outstanding overview of the repercussions of slavery in the modern-day era, I most strongly recommend Michelle Alexander’s recent book The New Jim Crow.
In the case of your son’s friend, post-slavery immigrants from a country in Africa can readily identify themselves by where they came from—it’s on their passports. Black immigrants from Africa can identify themselves by country and tribe (keep in mind that country boundaries in Africa are chiefly colonial constructs). A modern-day immigrant from Africa may refer to him- or herself by a hyphenated identity—“Sudanese-American,” for example.
A special note for the people who email me about their white ancestors who were enslaved: Virginia codified slave laws to be exclusive to Black people in 1705 (establishing white supremacy), and indentured servitude was ended by the early 1800s. Comparing indentured servitude of white people to the history of African-Americans is insulting, in my opinion, and I won’t entertain it in this publication.
Growing up my mom had a white co-worker from South Africa that used to crack himself up saying that he too was African American....Her hospital back in the 80s had a bunch of non black Africans working there, some of Indian, Egyptian, and Jewish backgrounds. Honestly; the first Muslim I ever met as a child was non black. It was a Doctor from India.
The term Black when to used malign people of African decent is indicative of slave trade. A concept born of West Asian Aryan supremacy and exacerbated by white supremacy. White scholars documenting the phenomena of the Americas often refereed to the indigenous people as Ethiopians. As that is was a popular go to term for dark skinned African looking people. Black and Negro in the zeitgeist of white supremacy means property. Check to see if you have a birth certificate. It's a bond.
Wow some real bullshit here. We have underground tunnels in America that are under control of Nazi's but the tunnels were build by kinky haired blacks like us. In China there were blacks there before anybody. Any time they find artifacts of us with the kinky hair it is either destroyed or hid. What we have now is the result of grafting from the original race (blacks).
That is what the master plan is all about. The earth returning to it's original owners.
That is what the master plan is all about. The earth returning to it's original owners.
Black is a western construct that does have political value in the west. However black does not describe the vast richness of ethnicities and cultures. I prefer Afro-Diasporan People personally.
With that said look at these Asians none of them are Afro People but they are dark or just as dark as Afro People.
Black is a western construct that does have political value in the west. However black does not describe the vast richness of ethnicities and cultures.
And the reason BLACK americans call themselves AFRICAN americans is because unlike other people in american who can trace their heritage back to specific COUNTRIES like for example Mark Wahlberg is an IRISH-AMERICAN but his heritage actually is: His father was of Swedish and Irish descent, and his mother is of Irish, English, and French-Canadian ancestry.
Most American Blacks CANNOT trace their heritage back to specific countries in African that was stripped from them during slavery. Hence theyre called BLACK which is a skin color designation rather than Malian or ghanian, nigerian which are specific countries, and cultures and peoples in west africa.
As far as Charlize Theron goes...her citizenship is south african but her heritage is dutch. Going by youre logic then Lupita Nyongo is mexican because she was born in Mexico even tho her parents are from KENYA.
If lupita and charlize applied for american citizenship then they would either have to denounce their previous citizenship or have dual citizenship but that doesn't change their heritage which ALWAYS comes first.
That is why there is a hyphenate. The first acknowledges the HERITAGE and the second acknowledges the CITIZENSHIP. Hence Lupita Nyongo is a KENYAN-MEXICAN
Charlize Theron is a DUTCH-SOUTH AFRICAN
Mia Love is a HAITIAN-AMERICAN
Al Pacino is an ITALIAN-AMERICAN
That was the point of my question..
Would a nonblack who theoretically could put down African American claim a category that has historically been oppressed instead of hiding behind their skin color
Blacks are the original people of the earth. Either you are a black man or you are a grafted devil. We are a war to get our true identity and the earth back. 85% of the earth is blind, deaf, and dumb to what is really going on. These are the poisonous flesh eaters. 10% know the truth but are sworn to secrecy and are the blood suckers of the poor. They practice the truth in secrecy. But there is 5% that know the truth and are bold enough to preach it, teach it and live it we are the poor righteous teachers.
Have people ever wondered who are what race was here first? And how did other races come from the original? You cannot take 2 whites and make a brown less known a black. But you can take 2 blacks and make every race in the world.
Whites make it seem as though we were primitive with spears and stuff. And they try to make it seem they were here first and civilized all the other races. When actually it is the opposite. We were here first and we are still trying to be ourselves so we can civilize the other races. Billions of years ago we had solar power, we had nuclear power but it was used for farming not for the worship of war. Plus we had natural power and used it to rule everything that lives and moves. We build pyramids and flew space ships with mind power. The things recorded about Jesus all blacks could do at one time. They not only poisoned us they taught us how to poison ourselves.
Everything about our true history is either hid or destroyed. Born black in a white man's world. And artificial world raised up to be controlled by an artificial mind.
Have people ever wondered who are what race was here first? And how did other races come from the original? You cannot take 2 whites and make a brown less known a black. But you can take 2 blacks and make every race in the world.
Whites make it seem as though we were primitive with spears and stuff. And they try to make it seem they were here first and civilized all the other races. When actually it is the opposite. We were here first and we are still trying to be ourselves so we can civilize the other races. Billions of years ago we had solar power, we had nuclear power but it was used for farming not for the worship of war. Plus we had natural power and used it to rule everything that lives and moves. We build pyramids and flew space ships with mind power. The things recorded about Jesus all blacks could do at one time. They not only poisoned us they taught us how to poison ourselves.
Everything about our true history is either hid or destroyed. Born black in a white man's world. And artificial world raised up to be controlled by an artificial mind.
In another thread, I mentioned that the indigenous word for “Africa” and “African” amongst the Akans is Abibiman and Ɔbibini. The word “Bibi” in Akan means Black, but not just any Black but a powerful and pure Black. The Akans got the word “Bibi” from Songhay, and in Songhay language, the sun at its brightest point “noon” is called the Black Sun. Furthermore, in Songhay, pure water is called “Black water” because it’s fetched from the deepest part of the well. Black and African are used interchangeably. This is consistent in other African languages for example, in Yoruba “dúdú” is the word for “African,” and it means Black.
All in all saying “I’m Black” is not a modern construct, rather that saying is as old as us as a people.
All in all saying “I’m Black” is not a modern construct, rather that saying is as old as us as a people.
The solution to all said above is to eliminate the Cracka definitions of humans completely. Calling each other by color is actually ignorant, but understandable, because the education to not call someone Red or Yellow wasn't afforded to everyone. And everyone demonized with that label has rebelled and reclaimed the word in a sense. Race is just dumb. Location of ancestry is what makes more sense to our current migrations on earth.
We've talked about this before. With the black skinned dieties of the east and Indian Asia. But this is correct.
The problem with this concept is that anyone outside of the US who uses the term "Black" to describe themselves or others is influenced by the information coming out of this country. It's a social term that has no real hold in the rest of the world, (though for all purposes intended IN THIS COUNTRY I'd prefer to consider myself Black).
I can't reasonably assume that any person in Africa, (not named by the people), would consider themselves a term created in another country. That said I don't agree with this dudes explanation of "sub races" but some of his approach isn't too far off...it's a very sort of 'academic' take. (I kinda think he too this class I'm in now studying Sub-Saharan Africa. Where is this video from? Hmmmm...)
Why can't the people in Africa be of Africa or of their place? Or of their cultural group? This is a real sensitive subject because unless you are of that group or lived with that group(s), that is a mentality that is lost on the rest of the world. I get the feeling that if you went there, you might find a good number of people who reject the political construct of the 'country' of which they live, which is another western construction.
I am surprised that Africa has not changed it's name like the Jews renamed Palestine and changed it to Israel. A lot about how life evolved to what it is now is hid. There is hidden history in all that stuff he was talking about. Dr. King was a manifest teacher. He planted the seeds of things that he did not want whites to know that he knew about. Whites realized this when he did not change and how the people characteristics were from the seeds he planted. The 60's showed light from a time period that they thought they had completely got rid of. Blacks males were referring to sexy women that they desired as mamma and we had love and admiration for each other and was talking about love, peace, and togetherness. We was calling each other brothers and sisters. We realized we were civilized and whites needed be like us instead of ruling and controlling us. There is a lot hidden about history that would shock blacks and whites. There was a time when we recognized whites as devils. And there was a time when there was no such things as incest because we was all one black family. Some of us are still trying to keep the truth alive until truth gets a chance to breath free.
While a lot of this is true (except that re-warmed 5 percenter bullshit), look deeper though and you'll find this is just another way to keep us, BLACK PEOPLE, squabbling amongst ourselves over some trivial bullshit. We're all n*****s to them no matter where we come from. How about we concentrate on the common enemy instead of tearing each other down?
You know what stuck with me in my American English class?
We talked about the Sublime. Think about the whale in Moby Dick. Ahab was mesmerized and obsessed with this giant white whale. It consumed him. There are a lot of works that depict the Sublime as some vast whiteness that is to be admired and uplifted. This thing of greatness. Most of the time when you hear about it from the perspective of a person, they are - for lack of a better word - shook.
What I started to think about lately is, what if this admiration, this shookedness, isn't some feeling of awe, but one of fear? Ahab wasn't chasing Moby because he had some revenge plot to execute. He was 'shook' this whale was going to kill him, he was scared.
There is this poem by Robert Frost too we had to study thinking about the Sublime...if you think the whiteness is evil, and that the calm of the Sublime is fear, some things take on new meanings.
https://www.poets.org/poetsorg/poem/design
Sorry I kinda went off a little...Ya'll get some of my best thoughts you know...
Interesting vid.
No Black is "black"....the darkest skinned of us appears purple...because the melanin in our skin absorbs all the colors of light from the sun..and reflects UV light....UV as in Ultra Violet...a shade of purple...
the term "black" to describe a race of people ...has only been around for like 500 years..
the term "black" to describe a race of people ...has only been around for like 500 years..
What you are talking about is the question I had been asking about the white house. What is the real reason it is white? And what is the real reason we call it the white house? It is the only control we are raised up to believe is the supreme control.
In Jonestown what was hidden was the reality Jim Jones created when he told his followers he will be their God until they realize they are God. And that he is the only heterosexual in the world. Everybody else is gays and lesbians. If they had sex with each other it was just compensation for helping the church. But he told them relationships were selfish because it took away their real work which was to serve others. It is like taking the verse in the bible where it says be fruitful and multiply. But he will be the only one doing that as his job because others would have given up their right and ability to do this. He was actually fucking the men and women as though that is what they live for to worship his penis or his manhood.
The Washington monument in front of the white house goes back into the days of penis worship. They did not shape it like a penis because it was felt that the people were not sleep enough at the time. The Vatican has one and it is one in England.
In Jonestown over 80 or 90 percent of the people were black. But the people in the country where this was say they never knew blacks were in Jonestown. That was because only whites were allowed to go into town. The more you find out about Jonestown the more it seems they were experimenting with the same curses and spells that lead blacks to slavery and whites as their masters. Today the whole earth is a plantation. There are some blacks that feel there is no way out. Some actually have a desperate plan.
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