Abortion Kills More Black Americans Than the Seven Leading Causes of Death Combined,

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It is unlawful to take your own life. It is unlawful to take the life of another human being. The only exception to taking a human life is if a woman chooses to take the life of a developing human within her womb. That's where we are at as a society.

A woman, as well as a man, has complete sovereignty regarding their body all day, everyday. Adults choose where they live, work and recreate. If an adult chooses to get butt naked and fuck a fry cook or a dentist, the law has no prohibition.

If a man or woman chooses to engage in reproductive actions resulting in human conception, then (I say) the parties involved must deal with the consequences.

This is not rocket science.

The participants made that bed, they must sleep in it.

So they should have children they don't want as punishment? A person or couple that sees having a child as a negative should not be forced to have a child.
I don't care why, and frankly it's no one else's business either, a woman (or couple) choose to terminate a pregnancy. Since none of us will have to be responsible for said child, it is solely the responsibility of the woman carrying the fetus.

If a reproductively healthy man and a reproductively healthy woman chooses to engage in vaginal intercourse, pregnancy is a likely outcome.

More babies should be killed in car accidents, than by abortions clinic doctors. Because one of those death scenarios is almost completely avoidable.
Car accidents are almost completely avoidable too and it's even easier to make an accident a non-fatal accident.

Abortion should be legal-with mandatory counseling. Assisted suicide should be legal-with mandatory counseling. Capital punishment should be practiced in every state-especially applied to murder, rape and incest.
Completely against the death penalty so that's something else we can debate in another thread. The State can't give life and shouldn't be able to take it.

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Child support should be flat fee of $1200 a month per household. Any person under 18 that participates in a pregnancy has violated the law.

When I am king . . .

Ok bruh, this part is just loony. That is the most unfair proposal I've ever heard. This would hurt poor/lesser earning men and allow more affluent fathers a heavy discount. The current situation, where it's a percentage, is the best way. There are many situations that are handled poorly but that's what happens with a system run by imperfect people. That's another reason I'm against the death penalty. I don't believe there's an acceptable number of innocent people that can be executed to maintain the system.
 
Re: Abortion Kills More Black Americans Than the Seven Leading Causes of Death Combin

It is unlawful to take your own life. It is unlawful to take the life of another human being. The only exception to taking a human life is if a woman chooses to take the life of a developing human within her womb. That's where we are at as a society.

A woman, as well as a man, has complete sovereignty regarding their body all day, everyday. Adults choose where they live, work and recreate. If an adult chooses to get butt naked and fuck a fry cook or a dentist, the law has no prohibition.

If a man or woman chooses to engage in reproductive actions resulting in human conception, then (I say) the parties involved must deal with the consequences.

This is not rocket science.

The participants made that bed, they must sleep in it.

If a reproductively healthy man and a reproductively healthy woman chooses to engage in vaginal intercourse, pregnancy is a likely outcome.

This has been the standard since man #1 and woman #1.

99.9% of all humans both living and dead have come into this world thru fucking. The same is true for dogs, cats and bears.

My mother is a wonderful woman. I lower my head to her in humility for the things that she has taught me.

She accepted her role as the steward and gateway between heaven and earth. She gave life to 4 sons and she is proud of her handy work. She wanted to be a mother, guardian and a source of guidance. She utilized her God-given abilities and brought life into this world.

Unfortunately, too many woman have such broken esteem and morality that they don't know their role and position. They rather be servants, fuck toys and whores rather than pro-creators.

Pregnancy have become some of sort dreadful sex worker related condition that has befallen them through no fault of their own.

This is madness.

More babies should be killed in car accidents, than by abortions clinic doctors. Because one of those death scenarios is almost completely avoidable.



Abortion should be legal-with mandatory counseling. Assisted suicide should be legal-with mandatory counseling. Capital punishment should be practiced in every state-especially applied to murder, rape and incest.

None of those practices should be commonplace.

Child support should be flat fee of $1200 a month per household. Any person under 18 that participates in a pregnancy has violated the law.

When I am king . . .

It is unlawful to take your own life.

Post the information for this claim.

It's unlawful for someone to assist you in a suicide, not to take your own life. Actually now they have assisted suicide laws in some states for people with terminal illnesses. If you do commit suicide, insurance claims will be voided.

Females go through extreme pain and body altering changes during child birth. Some actually die giving birth. And if a child is born still, three are no death reports issued for this. As a male, you would hope the female considers your input on her pregnancy, but ultimately, the church or the government controlling your bodily functions is nothing short of slavery!
 
Re: Abortion Kills More Black Americans Than the Seven Leading Causes of Death Combin

I have posted in this thread several times. There is a consistent acknowledgment on my part that the practice of abortion should be legal. I am not anti-abortion. I am not seeking to criminalize the practice.

With that being said, I have little to no sympathy for a woman that is carrying an unwanted pregnancy (unless she is a victim of a crime) or a man who doesn't want to be father to an unborn child.

If a woman chooses to fuck, she should be prepared to accept the responsibility of her actions. If she finds herself carrying an unwanted pregnancy, she ain't no fucking slave to a church or the state. The pain and body altering she will endure is a result of her own actions. She made a choice to fuck. She didn't trip and fall on a hard dick. She consented to being a slave to her life choice.

We must stop treating women like retards.

We know how to prevent unwanted pregnancies. To be frank, it takes some effort to conceive. Many factors must be satisfied in order to procreate.

Of course pregnancy is a tremendous life altering event. This is why woman must be on point in this matter.

I ain't telling women that they can't have an abortion. I am telling folks that this situation can be prevented with some reasonable and readily accessible birth control methods.

It is foolish that woman keep acting like a lil fuck fairy keeps sneaking healthy sperm into their well protected wombs. They knowingly allow themselves to be a recepticle of some dude's skeet, skeet, skeet.

I equally have no sympathy for silly ass men crying foul that some female is carrying their unborn child.

Knuckleheads, stop fucking triflin chicks with your raw dick. Get a responsible woman with a reproductive strategy. If you don't want a baby, make the cut. It's reversible. Wear a condom with spermicide and nut on her stomach. Baby making ain't rocket science.

This whining shit is pathetic. If a chick can fool your pussy hungry ass into impregnating her, then you have to pay her. $1200 a month until that child is 18. (When I am King.)

Bet more dudes would wise up and stop nuttin in random chicks.

Something has to be done to address this destructive behavior. I'm am so tired of hearing the bull shit excuses. I don't really care that much about the aborted children. I can help them and they can't harm me.

I am far more concerned with all these lil unwanted bastards running about and ruining society because grown folks didn't have a reproductive strategy.

For the record.

Only 3 states in the USA, have leniency regarding assisted suicide. 47 states consider it a crime.

If an suicide attempt comes to the attention of law enforcement, that individual will be taken into protective custody regardless of their consent. Put a gun to your head or a knife to your throat and see what the state does to you without your consent. I bet that there will be a shit load of jobs you will legally be no longer qualified to hold.

I made the car accident/abortion comparison to illustrate that I recognize that some unwanted pregnancies and abortions will be statistically necessary.

But today, we are dealing with a great multitude of careless women and men with little or no regard for managing their reproductive condition.
 
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Well, then if black people have the abortions then they are responsible for "killing" the most black people.
 
Re: Abortion Kills More Black Americans Than the Seven Leading Causes of Death Combin

I have posted in this thread several times. There is a consistent acknowledgment on my part that the practice of abortion should be legal. I am not anti-abortion. I am not seeking to criminalize the practice.

With that being said, I have little to no sympathy for a woman that is carrying an unwanted pregnancy (unless she is a victim of a crime) or a man who doesn't want to be father to an unborn child.

If a woman chooses to fuck, she should be prepared to accept the responsibility of her actions. If she finds herself carrying an unwanted pregnancy, she ain't no fucking slave to a church or the state. The pain and body altering she will endure is a result of her own actions. She made a choice to fuck. She didn't trip and fall on a hard dick. She consented to being a slave to her life choice.

We must stop treating women like retards.

We know how to prevent unwanted pregnancies. To be frank, it takes some effort to conceive. Many factors must be satisfied in order to procreate.

Of course pregnancy is a tremendous life altering event. This is why woman must be on point in this matter.

I ain't telling women that they can't have an abortion. I am telling folks that this situation can be prevented with some reasonable and readily accessible birth control methods.

It is foolish that woman keep acting like a lil fuck fairy keeps sneaking healthy sperm into their well protected wombs. They knowingly allow themselves to be a recepticle of some dude's skeet, skeet, skeet.

I equally have no sympathy for silly ass men crying foul that some female is carrying their unborn child.

Knuckleheads, stop fucking triflin chicks with your raw dick. Get a responsible woman with a reproductive strategy. If you don't want a baby, make the cut. It's reversible. Wear a condom with spermicide and nut on her stomach. Baby making ain't rocket science.

This whining shit is pathetic. If a chick can fool your pussy hungry ass into impregnating her, then you have to pay her. $1200 a month until that child is 18. (When I am King.)

Bet more dudes would wise up and stop nuttin in random chicks.

Something has to be done to address this destructive behavior. I'm am so tired of hearing the bull shit excuses. I don't really care that much about the aborted children. I can help them and they can't harm me.

I am far more concerned with all these lil unwanted bastards running about and ruining society because grown folks didn't have a reproductive strategy.

For the record.

Only 3 states in the USA, have leniency regarding assisted suicide. 47 states consider it a crime.

If an suicide attempt comes to the attention of law enforcement, that individual will be taken into protective custody regardless of their consent. Put a gun to your head or a knife to your throat and see what the state does to you without your consent. I bet that there will be a shit load of jobs you will legally be no longer qualified to hold.

I made the car accident/abortion comparison to illustrate that I recognize that some unwanted pregnancies and abortions will be statistically necessary.

But today, we are dealing with a great multitude of careless women and men with little or no regard for managing their reproductive condition.


Thanks for clarifying your point for me. I don't necessarily disagree with much or even most of what you're saying. But I do think having an abortion is part of accepting responsibility. I don't see anyone treating women like "retards" except those that wish to outlaw the practice but at the same time are against sex education and contraception.
The multitudes you speak are a price a society should pay to be a free one.

The one thing I disagree strongly with is the $1200 flat fee child support but I've said that already and that's off topic.
 
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Associated Press
By CHRISTINE SIMMONS
November 13, 2009


WASHINGTON — The Republican National Committee's health insurance plan covers elective abortions for its employees, an option Republicans strongly oppose in health overhaul legislation that Democrats are trying to push through Congress.

Republican Party Chairman Michael Steele learned of the policy's abortion coverage Thursday through a news report and immediately instructed staff to inform the insurance carrier that the RNC wanted to opt out of elective abortion coverage, RNC spokeswoman Gail Gitcho said.

"Money from our loyal donors should not be used for this purpose," Steele said in a statement. "I don't know why this policy existed in the past, but it will not exist under my administration. Consider this issue settled."

Gitcho said the policy has been in effect since 1991.

A memo earlier from RNC Chief of Staff Ken McKay to the organization's members said Steele was taking the issue very seriously and "has been engaged by phone on this issue."

The GOP platform traditionally includes strong anti-abortion language. All House Republicans, except one, voted for an amendment imposing restrictions of coverage for abortions in the health care bill that passed the House last Saturday. Inclusion of the abortion restrictions prompted an angry backlash from liberal House Democrats, and some are now threatening to vote against a final bill if the curbs stay in.

The memo said the RNC received a phone call from a reporter on Wednesday asking whether the RNC's health care policy, through Cigna, covered elective abortions for employees. On Thursday, Politico.com published a report citing two sales agents for Cigna who said the RNC's policy covered elective abortion.

The Cigna employees said the RNC didn't choose to opt out of abortion coverage when given the opportunity, Politico.com reported.

"Upon learning of this story, at the chairman's direction, we immediately contacted the Executive Committee," the RNC memo said. "We will be scheduling a call with the Executive Committee in the immediate future to discuss this matter more fully."

The memo said the RNC health insurance policy has been in review for some time.

"Chairman Steele had already called for an official review of our health insurance policy along with a number of other operational items," the memo said.

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Abortion clinic worker testifies in doctor's trial

Abortion clinic worker testifies in doctor's trial
Written by Sean O’Sullivan The News Journal
Apr. 10

PHILADELPHIA – A Delaware woman who worked for abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell recalled hearing one child “screaming” after it was delivered during an abortion procedure at Gosnell’s West Philadelphia clinic.

Sherry West, of Bear, said she was loyal to Gosnell – who is now facing multiple counts of murder for allegedly killing children after they were delivered alive at his clinic – but said the incident “really freaked me out.”

When Assistant District Attorney Joanne Pescatore pressed the 53-year-old West for specifics about the incident, West struggled to answer, clearly uncomfortable with the memory.

“I can’t describe it. It sounded like a little alien,” West testified, telling a judge and Philadelphia Court of Common Pleas jury that the body of the child was about 18 to 24 inches long and was one of the largest babies she had seen delivered during abortion procedures at Gosnell’s clinic.

West said she saw the child, whose face and features were not yet completely formed, lying on a glass tray on a shelf and she told a co-worker to call Gosnell about it and fled the room.

Gosnell is facing a possible death sentence if convicted.

During her two years working for Gosnell, West said she also saw patients deliver “specimens” in the toilet, which she made a co-worker remove, adding she called aborted fetuses “specimens” because “it was easier to deal with mentally.”

She also testified that she saw many women come in who looked like they were too far along in their pregnancies to have abortions.

West started working for Gosnell in late 2008, after being his patient for more than 20 years. West said she had previously worked at the Veterans Administration, doing preparation work in the operating room, but left in 2007 after suffering a nervous breakdown and being diagnosed with Hepatitis C that she contracted in the hospital.

West said she was desperate for money in 2008 because she was fighting with the VA over disability benefits and Gosnell agreed to hire her and pay her under the table. She said Gosnell, as her primary care doctor, was well aware that she had a nervous breakdown, was on the anti-anxiety drug Prozac and had Hepatitis C diagnosis.

West is in federal custody and appeared in court in green prison clothes, She has already admitted to third-degree murder, delivering drugs that resulted in death, conspiracy and participating in a corrupt organization in the Philadelphia Court of Common Pleas in relation to the Gosnell case and faces a maximum penalty of 70 to 100 years at sentencing.

She is required to cooperate with prosecutors as part of her plea agreement. She is also facing prison time in a related federal case about the improper distribution of drugs at Gosnell’s clinic.

While West had some medical training during her 20 years with the VA, she testified that she received no formal training on conducting ultrasounds or administering drugs, which was part of her job at Gosnell’s clinic. Instead West said she was trained by other clinic staffers including a 16-year-old who worked there.

On the stand, West detailed the lax procedures at Gosnell’s clinic, including an incident on the night in 2009 when 41-year-old Karnamaya Mongar died following an abortion there. Prosecutors charge Mongar died due to an overdose of pain medication administered by Gosnell’s staff.

West said it was “hectic” and recalled how it took time for paramedics to get into the building because the back door was padlocked and no one had the key.

Prosecutor Pescatore also walked her through the incomplete and conflicting medical records from Gosnell’s clinic where it is not clear what drugs were administered, by who and when. She testified that at least one notation by Gosnell – that Mongar was feeling no pain afterward – was completely wrong.

However, West, who now has long hair pulled back in a ponytail and uses glasses to read, often answered “I don’t know” to prosecution questions and often had to re-read previous statements she made to police before recalling important details.

The direct examination of West ended just after noon and cross-examination by Gosnell’s attorney will take place after lunch.

http://www.delawareonline.com/artic...tifies-doctor-s-trial?gcheck=1&nclick_check=1
 
Why Dr. Kermit Gosnell's Trial Should Be a Front-Page Story

Why Dr. Kermit Gosnell's Trial Should Be a Front-Page Story
The dead babies. The exploited women. The racism. The numerous governmental failures. It is thoroughly newsworthy.
By Conor Friedersdorf, The Atlantic | National Journal – Fri, Apr 12, 2013

Please note: This post contains graphic descriptions and imagery.

The grand jury report in the case of Kermit Gosnell, 72, is among the most horrifying I've read. "This case is about a doctor who killed babies and endangered women. What we mean is that he regularly and illegally delivered live, viable babies in the third trimester of pregnancy - and then murdered these newborns by severing their spinal cords with scissors," it states. "The medical practice by which he carried out this business was a filthy fraud in which he overdosed his patients with dangerous drugs, spread venereal disease among them with infected instruments, perforated their wombs and bowels - and, on at least two occasions, caused their deaths."

Charged with seven counts of first-degree murder, Gosnell is now standing trial in a Philadelphia courtroom. An NBC affiliate's coverage includes testimony as grisly as you'd expect. "An unlicensed medical school graduate delivered graphic testimony about the chaos at a Philadelphia clinic where he helped perform late-term abortions," the channel reports. "Stephen Massof described how he snipped the spinal cords of babies, calling it, 'literally a beheading. It is separating the brain from the body.' He testified that at times, when women were given medicine to speed up their deliveries, 'it would rain fetuses. Fetuses and blood all over the place.'"

One former employee described hearing a baby screaming after it was delivered during an abortion procedure. "I can't describe it. It sounded like a little alien," she testified. Said the Philadelphia Inquirer in its coverage, "Prosecutors have cited the dozens of jars of severed baby feet as an example of Gosnell's idiosyncratic and illegal practice of providing abortions for cash to poor women pregnant longer than the 24-week cutoff for legal abortions in Pennsylvania."

Until Thursday, I wasn't aware of this story. It has generated sparse coverage in the national media, and while it's been mentioned in RSS feeds to which I subscribe, I skip past most news items. I still consume a tremendous amount of journalism. Yet had I been asked at a trivia night about the identity of Kermit Gosnell, I would've been stumped and helplessly guessed a green Muppet. Then I saw Kirsten Power's USA Today column. She makes a powerful, persuasive case that the Gosnell trial ought to be getting a lot more attention in the national press than it is getting.

The media criticism angle interests me. But I agree that the story has been undercovered, and I happen to be a working journalist, so I'll begin by telling the rest of the story for its own sake. Only then will I explain why I think it deserves more coverage than it has gotten, although it ought to be self-evident by the time I'm done distilling the grand jury's allegations. Grand juries aren't infallible. This version of events hasn't been proven in a court of law. But journalists routinely treat accounts given by police, prosecutors and grand juries as at least plausible if not proven. Try to decide, as you hear the state's side of the case, whether you think it is credible, and if so, whether the possibility that some or all this happened demands massive journalistic scrutiny.

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On February 18, 2010, the FBI raided the "Women's Medical Society," entering its offices about 8:30 p.m. Agents expected to find evidence that it was illegally selling prescription drugs. On entering, they quickly realized something else was amiss. In the grand jury report's telling, "There was blood on the floor. A stench of urine filled the air. A flea-infested cat was wandering through the facility, and there were cat feces on the stairs. Semi-conscious women scheduled for abortions were moaning in the waiting room or the recovery room, where they sat on dirty recliners covered with blood-stained blankets. All the women had been sedated by unlicensed staff." Authorities had also learned about the patient that died at the facility several months prior.

Public health officials inspected the surgery rooms. "Instruments were not sterile," the grand jury states. "Equipment was rusty and outdated. Oxygen equipment was covered with dust, and had not been inspected. The same corroded suction tubing used for abortions was the only tubing available for oral airways if assistance for breathing was needed. There was no functioning resuscitation or even monitoring equipment, except for a single blood pressure cuff." Upon further inspection, "the search team discovered fetal remains haphazardly stored throughout the clinic - in bags, milk jugs, orange juice cartons, and even in cat-food containers."

And "Gosnell admitted to Detective Wood that at least 10 to 20 percent of the fetuses were probably older than 24 weeks in gestation - even though Pennsylvania law prohibits abortions after 24 weeks. In some instances, surgical incisions had been made at the base of the fetal skulls." Gosnell's medical license was quickly suspended. 18 days later, The Department of Health filed papers to start the process of closing the clinic. The district attorney submitted the case to the grand jury on May 4, 2010. Testimony was taken from 58 witnesses. Evidence was examined.

In Pennsylvania, most doctors won't perform abortions after the 20th week, many for health reasons, others for moral reasons. Abortions after 24 weeks are illegal. Until 2009, Gosnell reportedly performed mostly first and second trimester abortions. But his clinic had come to develop a bad reputation, and could attract only women who couldn't get an abortion elsewhere, former employees have said. "Steven Massof estimated that in 40 percent of the second-trimester abortions performed by Gosnell, the fetuses were beyond 24 weeks gestational age," the grand jury states. "Latosha Lewis testified that Gosnell performed procedures over 24 weeks 'too much to count,' and ones up to 26 weeks 'very often.' ...in the last few years, she testified, Gosnell increasingly saw out-of-state referrals, which were all second-trimester, or beyond. By these estimates, Gosnell performed at least four or five illegal abortions every week."

The grand jury report includes an image of a particularly extreme case (the caption is theirs, not mine):

That photo pertains to an unusual case, in that the mother had to seek help at a hospital after the abortion she sought at Gosnell's office went awry. The grand jury report summarizes a more typical late-term abortion, as conducted at the clinic, concluding with the following passage:

When you perform late-term "abortions" by inducing labor, you get babies. Live, breathing, squirming babies. By 24 weeks, most babies born prematurely will survive if they receive appropriate medical care. But that was not what the Women's Medical Society was about. Gosnell had a simple solution for the unwanted babies he delivered: he killed them. He didn't call it that. He called it "ensuring fetal demise." The way he ensured fetal demise was by sticking scissors into the back of the baby's neck and cutting the spinal cord. He called that "snipping."

Over the years, there were hundreds of "snippings." Sometimes, if Gosnell was unavailable, the "snipping" was done by one of his fake doctors, or even by one of the administrative staff.

But all the employees of the Women's Medical Society knew. Everyone there acted as if it wasn't murder at all. Most of these acts cannot be prosecuted, because Gosnell destroyed the files. Among the relatively few cases that could be specifically documented, one was Baby Boy A. His 17-year-old mother was almost 30 weeks pregnant -- seven and a half months -- when labor was induced. An employee estimated his birth weight as approaching six pounds. He was breathing and moving when Gosnell severed his spine and put the body in a plastic shoebox for disposal. The doctor joked that this baby was so big he could "walk me to the bus stop." Another, Baby Boy B, whose body was found at the clinic frozen in a one-gallon spring-water bottle, was at least 28 weeks of gestational age when he was killed. Baby C was moving and breathing for 20 minutes before an assistant came in and cut the spinal cord, just the way she had seen Gosnell do it so many times. And these were not even the worst cases.

Abuse of Women Patients
What little media coverage there's been in the case has understandably focused on the murder allegations. The grand jury report also makes clear how horrific Women's Medical Society was for the patients.

The unsanitary conditions were just the beginning.

One woman "was left lying in place for hours after Gosnell tore her cervix and colon while trying, unsuccessfully, to extract the fetus," the report states. Another patient, 19, "was held for several hours after Gosnell punctured her uterus. As a result of the delay, she fell into shock from blood loss, and had to undergo a hysterectomy." A third patient "went into convulsions during an abortion, fell off the procedure table, and hit her head on the floor. Gosnell wouldn't call an ambulance, and wouldn't let the woman's companion leave the building so that he could call an ambulance."

Often times, women given drugs to induce labor delivered before the doctor even arrived at work.

Said one former employee:

If... a baby was about to come out, I would take the woman to the bathroom, they would sit on the toilet and basically the baby would fall out and it would be in the toilet and I would be rubbing her back and trying to calm her down for two, three, four hours until Dr. Gosnell comes.

She would not move.

One patient died:

She was a 41-year-old, refugee who had recently come to the United States from a resettlement camp in Nepal. When she arrived at the clinic, Gosnell, as usual, was not there. Office workers had her sign various forms that she could not read, and then began doping her up. She received repeated unmonitored, unrecorded intravenous injections of Demerol, a sedative seldom used in recent years because of its dangers. Gosnell liked it because it was cheap. After several hours, Mrs. Mongar simply stopped breathing. When employees finally noticed, Gosnell was called in and briefl y attempted to give CPR. He couldn't use the defibrillator (it was broken); nor did he administer emergency medications that might have restarted her heart. After further crucial delay, paramedics finally arrived, but Mrs.Mongar was probably brain dead before they were even called. In the meantime, the clinic staff hooked up machinery and rearranged her body to make it look like they had been in the midst of a routine, safe abortion procedure.

Even then, there might have been some slim hope of reviving Mrs. Mongar. The paramedics were able to generate a weak pulse. But, because of the cluttered hallways and the padlocked emergency door, it took them over twenty minutes just to find a way to get her out of the building. Doctors at the hospital managed to keep her heart beating, but they never knew what they were trying to treat, because Gosnell and his staff lied about how much anesthesia they had given, and who had given it. By that point, there was no way to restore any neurological activity. Life support was removed the next day. Karnamaya Mongar was pronounced dead.

Another provocative detail: A former employee testified "that white patients often did not have to wait in the same dirty rooms as black and Asian clients. Instead, Gosnell would escort them up the back steps to the only clean office -- O'Neill's -- and he would turn on the TV for them. Mrs. Mongar, she said, would have been treated 'no different from the rest of the Africans and Asians.'"

Said the employee:

Like if a girl -- the black population was -- African population was big here. So he didn't mind you medicating your African American girls, your Indian girl, but if you had a white girl from the suburbs, oh, you better not medicate her. You better wait until he go in and talk to her first. And one day I said something to him and he was like, that's the way of the world. Huh?

And he brushed it off and that was it.

Anesthesia was frequently dispensed by employees who were neither legally permitted nor trained to do it, including a 15-year-old high school student who worked at the clinic, the report states.

Most employees did as they were told, but one objected:

Marcella Stanley Choung, who told us that her "training" for anesthesia consisted of a 15-minute description by Gosnell and reading a chart he had posted in a cabinet. She was so uncomfortable medicating patients, she said, that she "didn't sleep at night." She knew that if she made even a small error, "I can kill this lady, and I'm not jail material." One night in 2002, when she found herself alone with 15 patients, she refused Gosnell's directives to medicate them. She made an excuse, went to her car, and drove away, never to return. Choung immediately filed a complaint with the Department of State, but the department never acted on it.

The Failure to Stop It
That brings us to a subject you've perhaps been wondering about: How on earth did this go on for so long without anyone stopping it? The grand jury delved into that very question in their report. I'm going to excerpt it at length, because it bears directly on the question that will concern us afterward: has this story gotten an appropriate amount of attention from the news media?

Here is the grand jury on oversight failures:

Pennsylvania is not a third-world country. There were several oversight agencies that stumbled upon and should have shut down Kermit Gosnell long ago. But none of them did...

The first line of defense was the Pennsylvania Department of Health. The department's job is to audit hospitals and outpatient medical facilities, like Gosnell's, to make sure that they follow the rules and provide safe care. The department had contact with the Women's Medical Society dating back to 1979, when it first issued approval to open an abortion clinic. It did not conduct another site review until 1989, ten years later. Numerous violations were already apparent, but Gosnell got a pass when he promised to fix them. Site reviews in 1992 and 1993 also noted various violations, but again failed to ensure they were corrected.

But at least the department had been doing something up to that point, however ineffectual. After 1993, even that pro form a effort came to an end. Not because of administrative ennui, although there had been plenty. Instead, the Pennsylvania Department of Health abruptly decided, for political reasons, to stop inspecting abortion clinics at all... The only exception to this live-and-let-die policy was supposed to be for complaints dumped directly on the department's doorstep. Those, at least, would be investigated. Except that there were complaints about Gosnell, repeatedly. Several different attorneys, representing women injured by Gosnell, contacted the department. A doctor from Children's Hospital of Philadelphia hand-delivered a complaint, advising the department that numerous patients he had referred for abortions came back from Gosnell with the same venereal disease. The medical examiner of Delaware County informed the department that Gosnell had performed an illegal abortion on a 14-year-old girl carrying a 30-week-old baby. And the department received official notice that a woman named Karnamaya Mongar had died at Gosnell's hands.

Yet not one of these alarm bells -- not even Mrs. Mongar's death -- prompted the department to look at Gosnell or the Women's Medical Society... But even this total abdication by the Department of Health might not have been fatal. Another agency with authority in the health field, the Pennsylvania Department of State, could have stopped Gosnell single-handedly.

The Department of State, through its Board of Medicine, licenses and oversees individual physicians... Almost a decade ago, a former employee of Gosnell presented the Board of Medicine with a complaint that laid out the whole scope of his operation: the unclean, unsterile conditions; the unlicensed workers; the unsupervised sedation; the underage abortion patients; even the over-prescribing of pain pills with high resale value on the street. The department assigned an investigator, whose investigation consisted primarily of an offsite interview with Gosnell. The investigator never inspected the facility, questioned other employees, or reviewed any records. Department attorneys chose to accept this incomplete investigation, and dismissed the complaint as unconfirmed.

Shortly thereafter the department received an even more disturbing report -- about a woman, years before Karnamaya Mongar, who died of sepsis after Gosnell perforated her uterus. The woman was 22 years old. A civil suit against Gosnell was settled for almost a million dollars, and the insurance company forwarded the information to the department. That report should have been all the confirmation needed for the complaint from the former employee that was already in the department's possession. Instead, the department attorneys dismissed this complaint too... The same thing happened at least twice more: the department received complaints about lawsuits against Gosnell, but dismissed them as meaningless...

Philadelphia health department employees regularly visited the Women's Medical Society to retrieve blood samples for testing purposes, but never noticed, or more likely never bothered to report, that anything was amiss. Another employee inspected the clinic in response to a complaint that dead fetuses were being stored in paper bags in the employees' lunch refrigerator. The inspection confirmed numerous violations... But no follow-up was ever done... A health department representative also came to the clinic as part of a citywide vaccination program. She promptly discovered that Gosnell was scamming the program; she was the only employee, city or state, who actually tried to do something about the appalling things she saw there. By asking questions and poking around, she was able to file detailed reports identifying many of the most egregious elements of Gosnell's practice. It should have been enough to stop him. But instead her reports went into a black hole, weeks before Karnamaya Mongar walked into the Woman's Medical Society.

...And it wasn't just government agencies that did nothing. The Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania and its subsidiary, Penn Presbyterian Medical Center, are in the same neighborhood as Gosnell's office. State law requires hospitals to report complications from abortions. A decade ago, a Gosnell patient died at HUP after a botched abortion, and the hospital apparently filed the necessary report. But the victims kept coming in. At least three other Gosnell patients were brought to Penn facilities for emergency surgery; emergency room personnel said they have treated many others as well. And at least one additional woman was hospitalized there after Gosnell had begun a flagrantly illegal abortion of a 29-week-old fetus. Yet, other than the one initial report, Penn could find not a single case in which it complied with its legal duty to alert authorities to the danger. Not even when a second woman turned up virtually dead...

So too with the National Abortion Federation.

NAF is an association of abortion providers that upholds the strict est health and legal standards for its members. Gosnell, bizarrely, applied for admission shortly after Karnamaya Mongar's death. Despite his various efforts to fool her, the evaluator from NAF readily noted that records were not properly kept, that risks were not explained, that patients were not monitored, that equipment was not available, that anesthesia was misused. It was the worst abortion clinic she had ever inspected. Of course, she rejected Gosnell's application. She just never told anyone in authority about all the horrible, dangerous things she had seen.

The conclusion drawn at the end of the section is provocative. "Bureaucratic inertia is not exactly news. We understand that," it states. "But we think this was something more. We think the reason no one acted is because the women in question were poor and of color, because the victims were infants without identities, and because the subject was the political football of abortion."

A Front-Page Story
Says Kirsten Powers in her USA Today op-ed, "Let me state the obvious. This should be front page news. When Rush Limbaugh attacked Sandra Fluke, there was non-stop media hysteria. The venerable NBC Nightly News' Brian Williams intoned, 'A firestorm of outrage from women after a crude tirade from Rush Limbaugh,' as he teased a segment on the brouhaha. Yet, accusations of babies having their heads severed -- a major human rights story if there ever was one -- doesn't make the cut."

Inducing live births and subsequently severing the heads of the babies is indeed a horrific story that merits significant attention. Strange as it seems to say it, however, that understates the case.

For this isn't solely a story about babies having their heads severed, though it is that. It is also a story about a place where, according to the grand jury, women were sent to give birth into toilets; where a doctor casually spread gonorrhea and chlamydiae to unsuspecting women through the reuse of cheap, disposable instruments; an office where a 15-year-old administered anesthesia; an office where former workers admit to playing games when giving patients powerful narcotics; an office where white women were attended to by a doctor and black women were pawned off on clueless untrained staffers. Any single one of those things would itself make for a blockbuster news story. Is it even conceivable that an optometrist who attended to his white patients in a clean office while an intern took care of the black patients in a filthy room wouldn't make national headlines?

But it isn't even solely a story of a rogue clinic that's awful in all sorts of sensational ways either. Multiple local and state agencies are implicated in an oversight failure that is epic in proportions! If I were a city editor for any Philadelphia newspaper the grand jury report would suggest a dozen major investigative projects I could undertake if I had the staff to support them. And I probably wouldn't have the staff. But there is so much fodder for additional reporting.

There is, finally, the fact that abortion, one of the most hotly contested, polarizing debates in the country, is at the center of this case. It arguably informs the abortion debate in any number of ways, and has numerous plausible implications for abortion policy, including the oversight and regulation of clinics, the appropriateness of late-term abortions, the penalties for failing to report abuses, the statute of limitations for killings like those with which Gosnell is charged, whether staff should be legally culpable for the bad behavior of doctors under whom they work...

There's just no end to it.

To sum up, this story has numerous elements any one of which would normally make it a major story. And setting aside conventions, which are flawed, this ought to be a big story on the merits.

The news value is undeniable.

Why isn't it being covered more? I've got my theories. But rather than offer them at the end of an already lengthy item, I'd like to survey some of the editors and writers making coverage decisions.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national...ls-trial-should-be-a-front-page-story/274944/
 
Why Kermit Gosnell hasn’t been on Page One

Why Kermit Gosnell hasn’t been on Page One
Posted by Melinda Henneberger
April 15, 2013 at 7:00 am

News outlets have been struggling to explain why until now there’s been so little coverage of the murder trial of Kermit Gosnell, the Philadelphia abortion doctor accused of delivering live, screaming children and then beheading them.

The Post and other mainstream news outfits are on the story now, belatedly, so maybe critics like me shouldn’t act like the mother who, when you do call her, spends half the conversation asking why you haven’t called.

But, why wasn’t more written sooner? One colleague viewed Gosnell’s alleged atrocities as a local crime story, though I can’t think of another mass murder, with hundreds of victims, that we ever saw that way. Another said it was just too lurid, though that didn’t keep us from covering Jeffrey Dahmer, or that aspiring cannibal at the NYPD.

Yet another said it’s because the rest of the country doesn’t care about Philadelphia — that one was especially creative, I thought. And a friend argued that any “blackout” boiled down to the usual lack of media interest in the low-income community Gosnell “served.” (While he routinely turned poor, black patients over to assistants who lacked even a high school education, according to court testimony, the white patients he seated separately, and treated himself.)

I say we didn’t write more because the only abortion story most outlets ever cover in the news pages is every single threat or perceived threat to abortion rights. In fact, that is so fixed a view of what constitutes coverage of that issue that it’s genuinely hard, I think, for many journalists to see a story outside that paradigm as news. That’s not so much a conscious decision as a reflex, but the effect is one-sided coverage.

Now, I assign plenty of “rights under threat” stories myself, for She the People, and see them as perfectly valid. But we in the news business do cover the extremism of some who oppose abortion rights — attempts to run after pregnant women with transvaginal probes, for example — far more than we do the extremism of some who favor abortion rights, as per the Planned Parenthood’s Alisa LaPolt Snow, who said recently that when a baby somehow survives an abortion, it’s up to the woman, her family and her doctor to decide that child’s fate.

Two years ago, I wrote about the good doctor Gosnell’s “pro-choice enablers,” for Politics Daily:

“The ultimate non-partisan body – a criminal grand jury – has supplied us with the graphic, 261-page horror story of Kermit Gosnell, M.D., who stands accused of butchering seven babies – yes, after they were born alive — and fatally doping a refugee from Nepal with Demerol in a clinic that smelled of cat urine, where the furniture was stained with blood and the doctor kept a collection of severed baby feet. As often as possible, the report says, Gosnell induced labor for women so pregnant that, as he joked on one occasion, the baby was so big he could “walk me to the bus stop.” Then, hundreds of times over the years, he slit their little necks, according to the grand jury report:

[He] regularly and illegally delivered live, viable, babies in the third trimester of pregnancy – and then murdered these newborns by severing their spinal cords with scissors. The medical practice by which he carried out this business was a filthy fraud in which he overdosed his patients with dangerous drugs, spread venereal disease among them with infected instruments, perforated their wombs and bowels – and, on at least two occasions, caused their deaths. Over the years, many people came to know that something was going on here. But no one put a stop to it.​

And the kicker? This nightmare facility had not been inspected in 17 years – other than by someone from the National Abortion Federation, whom he actually invited there. For whatever reason, Gosnell applied for NAF membership two days after the death of the 41-year-old Nepalese woman, Karnamaya Mongar. Even on a day when the place had been scrubbed and spiffed up for the visit, the NAF investigator found it disgusting and rejected Gosnell’s application for membership. But despite noting many outright illegalities, including a padlocked emergency exit in a part of the clinic where women were left alone overnight, the grand jury report notes that the NAF inspector did not report any of these violations to authorities.”

My point, then and now, is that I am a big fan of regulation; wasn’t it the loosening of regs in the financial world that led to the meltdown of ’08 and in the oil industry to the BP spill of ’10? Those who normally agree with me about the need for oversight, though, make an exception when it comes to the abortion industry, which they feel should be self-regulating even when what that gets us is the likes of Kermit Gosnell.

The counter-argument, then and now, is that it’s the restriction of abortion rights that creates such shady operators, though there are other clinics in Philadelphia — and if his practice was restricted in any way over the years, I can’t see how.

Which “side” was Dr. Frankenstein to Dr. Gosnell? Well, there’s no mystery about where Gosnell could have gotten the idea that his youngest victims weren’t human, or entitled to any protection under the law. There aren’t just two sides, though, but a whole continuum of points of view, from those who see several cells as a legal person to those who insist that even a baby who could walk Kermit Gosnell to the bus stop is only a person if his mom says so.

Gosnell himself seemed confused, when he was charged with so many counts of murder, as to how that could be. Because even at that point, he didn’t appear to see the children he’s accused of beheading as people.

Planned Parenthood’s Snow was similarly obtuse, either willfully or out of habit, in testifying against a Florida bill that would have required medical care for babies who survive abortions. “If a baby is born on a table as a result of a botched abortion,” she was asked, “what would Planned Parenthood want to have happen to that child that is struggling for life?”

Her answer was a familiar one: “We believe that any decision that’s made should be left up to the woman, her family and the physician.”

Though it pains me to say so, that’s the same stand Barack Obama effectively took when he voted against a similar Illinois bill — even after the addition of a “neutrality clause” spelling out that the bill would have no bearing on the legal status of the (you say fetus, I say unborn child) at any point prior to delivery, and thus could not be used to outlaw abortion.

Recently, MSNBC host Melissa Harris mocked those who see a fertilized egg as a fully human person: “I get,” she said, “that that’s a particular kind of faith claim that’s not associated with science.”

But I wish she and those who agree with her also got this: To insist that a baby born at 30 weeks, as one of Gosnell’s victims was, only qualifies as a person if his mom decides to keep him is also “a particular kind of faith claim that’s not associated with science.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...15/why-kermit-gosnell-hasnt-been-on-page-one/
 
Defense rests in murder trial of Philadelphia abortion doctor

Defense rests in murder trial of Philadelphia abortion doctor
By Dave Warner | Reuters
2 hrs 58 mins ago

PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - Defense lawyers for a Philadelphia abortion doctor accused of killing babies in a clinic that mainly serves low-income women rested their case on Wednesday without calling any witnesses in the high-profile murder trial.

Dr. Kermit Gosnell, 72, is charged with killing four infants during botched abortions and a woman who underwent an abortion and died at a nearby hospital after the procedure at his Women's Medical Society clinic in urban West Philadelphia.

He could face the death penalty if convicted in the case in Common Pleas Court in Philadelphia.

Prosecutors said Gosnell ran a "house of horrors" in a West Philadelphia health clinic where women went for late-term abortions. The district attorney's office contends Gosnell delivered live babies during botched abortions and then deliberately severed their spinal cords, killing them.

Gosnell's defense lawyer, John McMahon, characterized the prosecution of his client, who is black, as "elitist, racist." He said there was no evidence that the babies were delivered alive, noting "the first rule of homicide is someone has to be alive."

The charges against Gosnell and nine of his employees have rekindled the debate in the United States about late-term abortions. Abortions are banned in Pennsylvania after 24 weeks of pregnancy.

Gosnell has been in jail since his January 2011 arrest. Eight other defendants have pleaded guilty to a variety of charges and are awaiting sentencing.

http://news.yahoo.com/defense-rests-murder-trial-philadelphia-abortion-doctor-175544282.html
 
Re: Defense rests in murder trial of Philadelphia abortion doctor

I have no idea what is up with article above.

I think it should be "Prosecution rest," but the body of the article confirms defense. Other articles talk like the trial is still going on with witnesses pending for the defense.

No clue.
 
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Re: Abortion Kills More Black Americans Than the Seven Leading Causes of Death Combin

"Abortionists have reduced our black population by more than 25 percent since 1973."
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So not only is this entire thread specious, it is an out right lie!

Panameno718 the liar.
 
On Abortion and Defining a ‘Person’

On Abortion and Defining a ‘Person’
By GARY GUTTING
November 30, 2011, 8:45 pm

The recent referendum in Mississippi showed that many Americans — including many strong opponents of abortion — are reluctant to treat a fertilized egg as a human person. They are, in particular, unwilling to extend the full protection of our laws against murder to a fertilized egg. This might seem to be just a common sense reaction to an extreme position, but rejecting the personhood position has important consequences for the logic of the abortion debate. (In formulating these logical consequences, I am not taking a position on the morality of abortion. As always, logic can only force a choice between accepting a conclusion and denying the premises from which the conclusion follows.)

The standard critique of abortion asserts that it is murder: the intentional killing of an innocent person. The typical starting point for this critique is the obvious fact that killing a baby right after its birth is murder. What the argument then must show is that, as far as the morality of killing goes, there is no essential difference between the newborn baby and the child at earlier stages of development. Here one approach is to cite more advanced features of the newborn (like consciousness, the capacity to feel pain or the ability to survive outside the womb) that might be thought to give it moral standing. But this limits the case against abortion, since for any such feature, there are stages where the fetus (or, earlier, the embryo) does not have these features.

Accordingly, the case against the morality of all abortions, no matter how early, needs to appeal to features of the newborn that are present at every stage of development beyond the fertilization of the egg. Here the only plausible feature seems to be having the DNA characteristic of the human species (the structure that, in the natural course of things, will lead to the newborn baby).

The problem, however, is that a fertilized egg itself has this DNA. Therefore, if we grant that killing a fertilized egg is not murder, we must also agree that the mere fact that a fetus or embryo possesses human DNA does not show that killing it is murder. It also seems to follows that at least some early-term abortions are not murder, since it’s hard to see any moral difference between a fertilized egg and, say, an embryo of two or three weeks.

A possible response is to claim that there is a person with full moral standing only once the fertilized egg has been implanted in the uterus (about five days after fertilization). But why think that implantation confers personhood? The only plausible reason seems to be that an implanted egg is on a natural path that will, if all goes well, lead to a full-term birth. But the same is true of a fertilized egg. So it’s hard to see that the potential to develop into a newborn morally differentiates a fertilized egg before and a fertilized egg after implantation.

The basic problem is that, once we give up the claim that a fertilized egg is a human person (has full moral standing), there is no plausible basis for claiming that all further stages of development are human persons. The DNA criterion seems to be the only criterion of being human that applies at every stage from conception to birth. If we agree that it does not apply at the earliest stages of gestation, there is no basis for claiming that every abortion is the killing of an innocent human person.

Those convinced that abortion is murder can, of course, maintain that this entire line of argument merely shows that we must hold that the fertilized egg is a human person: abortion is always wrong and it wouldn’t be if the fertilized egg weren’t a person. But what the Mississippi referendum showed was that many of those strongly opposed to abortion do not believe this. They were not willing, for example, to forbid aborting pregnancies that result from rape or incest or that are necessary to save the mother’s life. Many were also unwilling to charge fertility doctors who destroy frozen embryos with murder or to forbid after-fertilization birth control devices such as I.U.D.’s.

Couldn’t proponents of a personhood amendment allow exceptions for such cases? Yes, but this would destroy the logic behind the amendment. It is, for example, obviously wrong to kill a newborn on the grounds that it was conceived through rape or incest. But then, given the rape/incest exception, it is not true that the fetus before birth has the same moral standing as the newborn. There are conditions under which it may be killed and the newborn may not. This contradicts the basic claim that there is a human person present from the time of fertilization through the birth of the baby.

I am not claiming that those who reject the personhood of a fertilized egg have no grounds for opposing abortion. But they cannot consistently claim that all abortions, even at very early stages or in special circumstances, are wrong. They can still regard some (later-term) abortions as the killing of an innocent human person, although, to establish this, they need to provide a criterion for personhood beyond that of having human DNA.

The above analysis does not settle the vexed question of abortion. That would require answering the question of what makes a person a person. But the analysis does show that those who do not agree that a fertilized egg is a person cannot argue that abortion is wrong because an embryo or fetus has human DNA. To maintain a strong anti-abortion position, they must find some other reason for thinking that abortion is murder.

The Stone is featuring occasional posts by Gary Gutting, a professor of philosophy at the University of Notre Dame, that apply critical thinking to information and events that have appeared in the news.

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/30/on-abortion-and-defining-a-person/
 
Re: Abortion Kills More Black Americans Than the Seven Leading Causes of Death Combin

If the conservatives/capitalists/libertarians/republicans can disparage Black folk character after white/Conservative sanctioned rape for 200 plus years, then the conservatives/capitalists/libertarians/republicans are satisfied.

White conservatives have no moral high ground!
 
Kermit Gosnell guilty of murder in 3 infants’ deaths

Kermit Gosnell guilty of murder in 3 infants’ deaths
By Liz Goodwin, Yahoo! News | The Lookout
7 hrs ago

A jury has found abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell guilty of three counts of first-degree murder after deliberating for 10 days on the case.

Prosecutors are expected to now seek the death penalty for Gosnell.

The 72-year-old was charged with killing four premature babies by severing their spinal cords after they were born alive in his Philadelphia clinic. He was acquitted of one of those charges and convicted in three. Gosnell was also found guilty in the accidental death of a patient who died after receiving an abortion and a lethal mix of sedatives and painkillers at his clinic.

Gosnell's lawyers argued during the trial that no babies were born alive in the clinic.

A 2010 federal investigation described the West Philadelphia clinic as a filthy "house of horrors" that primarily served low-income women seeking late-term abortions. The nearly 300-page grand jury report said remains of fetuses were stored in freezers and that instruments used in abortions were contaminated with sexually transmitted diseases.

Gosnell faced hundreds of lesser charges, including employing a minor in his clinic and violating the state's 24-hour waiting period for abortions. He was also charged with performing abortions on women who were more than 24 weeks pregnant, which is illegal in the state. Gosnell's wife, a cosmetologist who helped perform the abortions, was among four of the clinic's employees who also pleaded guilty to several charges.

Earlier on Monday, jurors said they were deadlocked on two of the charges against Gosnell. They resumed deliberating and reached a decision early in the afternoon. CNN reported that the prosecutor in the case cried when the verdict was read Monday afternoon.

The trial has stoked debate over late-term abortions in the country. Pro-abortion rights groups say Gosnell was an outlier breaking numerous laws and regulations, while the anti-abortion rights movement has used the case to advocate for more state-level abortion restrictions.

“The greatest tragedy is that Kermit Gosnell is not alone. Exploitation of women and complete disregard for their health and well-being are problems endemic to the entire abortion industry,” said Marjorie Dannenfelser, the president of the anti-abortion group SBA-List, in a statement.

Ilyse Hogue, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America, said Gosnell will "get what he deserves" now that he's been found guilty.

"Now, let's make sure these women are vindicated by delivering what all women deserve: Access to the full range of health services including safe, high-quality and legal abortion care,” she said in a statement.

The case revealed that abortion clinics in the state hadn't been routinely inspected in 15 years, prompting the resignation of two top health department officials.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...ell-guilty-first-degree-murder-191903698.html
 
Re: Abortion Kills More Black Americans Than the Seven Leading Causes of Death Combin

source: U.S.News & World

Gallup: Gosnell Trial Hasn't Impacted Abortion Views

Poll finds most Americans didn't pay attention to grisly abortion doctor trial

Tales of newborn babies struggling for life before Dr. Kermit Gosnell allegedly snipped their spinal cords at his Philadelphia clinic haven't dramatically altered public opinion on abortion, a poll released Friday by Gallup finds.


Forty-eight percent of respondents told Gallup they were "pro-life" and 45 percent said they were "pro-choice." This indicates a closer divide than in 2012, when a Gallup poll found the "pro-choice" position sinking to an all-time low of 41 percent support.

The results indicate shades of gray for people who identify with the "pro-life" or "pro-choice" labels. Twenty-six percent of respondents said all abortions should be legal, 20 percent said all abortions should be banned and 52 percent said they favor legal abortions under certain circumstances.

Adults between the ages of 18 and 34 were the age demographic most likely to say abortion should be banned in all cases, with 23 percent saying so. Eighteen percent of 35-to 54-year-olds said they support an absolute ban on abortions, as did 19 percent of respondents over 55.

Gosnell's jury is currently weighing evidence on 227 criminal counts. He was arrested in 2011 and awaits judgment on four counts of first-degree murder. Former employees testified about deplorable conditions at his clinic, and Stephen Massof, an unlicensed doctor who worked for Gosnell, said he witnessed about 100 babies born alive before having their spinal cords "snipped" to ensure death. One witness against Gosnell was another Philadelphia abortion provider.

According to Gallup, 25 percent of Americans paid attention "very closely" or "somewhat closely" to the Gosnell trial. Fifty-four percent paid no attention to the case. Republicans were most likely to tune in to coverage, with 40 percent watching very or somewhat closely.

The poll surveyed 1,535 adults May 2 to 7. Its calculated margin of error is 4 percentage points.
 
Re: Abortion Kills More Black Americans Than the Seven Leading Causes of Death Combin

abortions was part of the biological warfare

against the melanin rich amongst us...

but its backfiring because cac bitchs

took that abortion torch and ran with it...


sure we are getting a lot of abortions, but

our numbers stay the same, so they say, I think its

improving but.. thats me...


but cac population has been declining like crazy ever since

it like the more they try to do to us, the worse they get it..


abortions are so bad for them they even blow up clinics and

shot doctors B!!


we just need to focus on what we can control...


and the ones with children need to feed them

live foods that will help them evolve,

not follow these cacs and their microwave inventions


wondering so many are devolving and dying from ridiculous

shit like heart attacks before they thirty...


thats just foolish and preventable!!!


worry less about what a woman decideds to do with her life

and more about what you can control to evolve yours..


I love seeing young melanin rich sun blessed children....


but some shouldve been aborted fuck that!!


shout out to clarenece thomas

and jesse lee patterson..

larry elder I see ya buck dancing....
 
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Carson: Most Planned Parenthood Clinics Are In Black Neighborhoods To "Control The Po

Carson: Most Planned Parenthood Clinics Are In Black Neighborhoods To "Control The Population"
Posted on August 13, 2015

Former Johns Hopkins neurosurgeon Ben Carson, a 2016 Republican candidate, shares his opinion about Planned Parenthood, an organization under fire in recent weeks for their abortion practices.

BEN CARSON: I know who [Planned Parenthood founder] Margaret Sanger is, and I know that she believed in eugenics, and that she was not particularly enamored with black people.

And one of the reasons that you find most of their clinics in black neighborhoods, is so you can find way to control that population.

And I think people should go back and read about Margaret Sanger, who founded this place, a woman who Hillary Clinton says she admires.

Also look and see what many people in Nazi Germany thought about her.​

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...man_who_hillary_clinton_says_she_admires.html
 
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Carson: Most Planned Parenthood Clinics Are In Black Neighborhoods To "Control The Population"
Posted on August 13, 2015

Former Johns Hopkins neurosurgeon Ben Carson, a 2016 Republican candidate, shares his opinion about Planned Parenthood, an organization under fire in recent weeks for their abortion practices.

BEN CARSON: I know who [Planned Parenthood founder] Margaret Sanger is, and I know that she believed in eugenics, and that she was not particularly enamored with black people.

And one of the reasons that you find most of their clinics in black neighborhoods, is so you can find way to control that population.

And I think people should go back and read about Margaret Sanger, who founded this place, a woman who Hillary Clinton says she admires.

Also look and see what many people in Nazi Germany thought about her.​

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...man_who_hillary_clinton_says_she_admires.html


Have you no fucking shame! Do yourself a favor and abort yourself!



source: Media Matters

ABC's Martha Raddatz Debunks Ben Carson's Claim That Planned Parenthood Targets Black Communities For Abortion



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ABC's Martha Raddatz debunked GOP presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson's claim that Planned Parenthood engages in racist population control by targeting black communities.

On the August 16 edition of ABC's This Week, Carson spoke with Raddatz on the campaign trail in Iowa. Raddatz asked Carson about his controversial comments he made on August 12, when he said Planned Parenthood is targeting African-American communities to control their population by placing "most of their clinics in black neighborhoods." Raddatz debunked this claim, saying, "Planned Parenthood estimates that fewer than five percent of its health centers are located in areas where more than one-third of the population is African-American":

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NPR also debunked Carson's statement in an August 14 fact check:
In 2014, the Guttmacher Institute, a reproductive health research center, surveyed all known abortion providers, including Planned Parenthood clinics, in the U.S. (nearly 2,000) and found that 60 percent are in majority-white neighborhoods.

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[R]esponding to a request for demographic information, the organization said that in 2013, 14 percent of its patients nationwide were black. That's nearly equal to the proportion of the African-American population in the U.S.
 
Re: Carson: Most Planned Parenthood Clinics Are In Black Neighborhoods To "Control Th

Why do you have more shame just because you blindly take planned parenthood at their word?

The study cited in the story also just asked planned parenthood. The study nor radditz put forth any independent investigative effort.
 
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I'm too far gone, but you think statements from planned parenthood are irrefutable proof of their starting intent.

You're a great caretaker of any non-black perspective you come across.

Republic logic:

Don't trust science, (climate change is a hoax)

Don't trust traceable facts, (planned parenthood is whatever they say it is)

Don't trust economic data. (raising the minimum wage will destroy the economy)


If they source it from a non source, then it's valid.

Ideology is a muthafucka!
 
Re: Abortion Kills More Black Americans Than the Seven Leading Causes of Death Combin

source: Politifact


One of the Planned Parenthood videos shows "a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking, while someone says, 'We have to keep it alive to harvest its brain.' "

Carly Fiorina on Wednesday, September 16th, 2015 in the CNN debate


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At CNN debate, Carly Fiorina urges others to watch Planned Parenthood videos


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Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina makes a point during the CNN Republican presidential debate at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library and Museum Sept. 16, 2015, in Simi Valley, Calif. (AP Photo/Mark J. Terrill)

Following the release of several videos claiming to prove Planned Parenthood illegally profits off of aborted fetal tissue, many anti-abortion politicians have called for cutting off federal funding to the women’s health organization. At the second Republican debate, former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina laid out defunding Planned Parenthood as a priority.

"I dare Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama to watch these tapes," she said on the stage at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library Sept. 16. "Watch a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking, while someone says, 'We have to keep it alive to harvest its brain.' "

The videos, which amount to at least a dozen hours, are produced by the anti-abortion Center for Medical Progress. They primarily show people posing as tissue brokers and talking with Planned Parenthood employees about procuring fetal tissue for medical research.

Fiorina’s claim makes it sound like there is actual footage of Planned Parenthood examining an aborted fetus whose heart is still beating, while someone says "we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain." There isn't.

Fiorina is likely talking about this 10-minute Aug. 19 video. (Warning: The video contains extremely gruesome footage.) The video shows an interview with a woman talking about a scene similar to the one Fiorina describes; the video’s creators have matched her interview with grisly stock footage of a fetus outside the womb.

In the video, the Center for Medical Progress interviews a woman identified as Holly O’Donnell, a former procurement technician for StemExpress. StemExpress is a biomedical company that previously worked with Planned Parenthood to collect tissue for medical research, but the company ended its relationship with Planned Parenthood amid the ongoing controversy.

O’Donnell talks about a time when she saw a fully-formed aborted fetus, with its heart still beating, in a pathology lab at a California Planned Parenthood clinic while she was on a job.

"I’m sitting here looking at this fetus, and its heart is beating, and I don’t know what to think," O’Donnell said. According to O’Donnell, her supervisor then told her they would procure the brain because the fetus was well-preserved.

The Center for Medical Progress video does not show actually show footage of O’Donnell’s experience, and there’s nothing else in the video to corroborate O’Donnell’s story. Additionally, the supervisor in O’Donnell’s story does not say anything about keeping the fetus alive specifically for the purpose of harvesting the brain.

To dramatize O’Donnell’s interview, the video cuts to a fetus outside the womb, placed on what appears to be some sort of examination surface, and the fetus’ legs are moving. The Center for Medical Progress says the source of the footage is the Grantham Collection, an organization that hopes to stem abortion by promoting graphic images of the procedure. We don’t know the circumstances behind this video: where it came from, under what conditions it was obtained, or even if this fetus was actually aborted (as opposed to a premature birth or miscarriage).

Our ruling

Fiorina said one of the Planned Parenthood videos shows "a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking, while someone says we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain."

One of the Center for Medical Progress’ videos attacking Planned Parenthood shows an interview with a woman identified as a former tissue procurement technician, who tells about an experience in a Planned Parenthood pathology lab where she sees a fetus outside the womb with its heart still beating. According to the woman, her supervisor said they would procure the fetus’ brain. The video’s creators added footage of an aborted fetus on what appears to be an examination table, and its legs are moving. But Fiorina makes it sound as if the footage shows what Planned Parenthood is alleged to have done. In fact, the stock footage was added to the video to dramatize its content. We rate her statement Mostly False.
 
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