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A white womans hair is no better than your NATURAL hair sister

Self-hater???

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Rick Ronson said:
i face palm over the fact that you face palmed and rationalized it as a dead horse subject which is basically like sayin black folks are zebras that cant change stripes........basically?...pretty much sums it up?.. :confused:

niggas aint gonna do shit they haven't already done aint it mane?

shit is what it is hunh man? :smh::smh::smh:

these koreans got us hunh man?

we neeeeeeed that shit like crack at this point hunh man?

not giving a fuck and pretending is more comfortable even if you don't grow.:rolleyes:

Yet were a race of people that are constantly worried about perception
but the world can understand niggas not liking their hair or skin after all
that happen hunh mane?

African Pride is a fucking hair product hunh man?

Fuck all that ole Malcolm X MLK shit again hunh man?

I feel you mane....i aint gonna get frustrated over your lack of concern either.:smh:

Thanks for stopping by mane.:D

You complacent ass nigga.............jk of course :D :lol::hmm:

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Huh? :confused::confused:

I rationalized it as a dead horse subject? No. The horse is very much alive, I'm fully aware of that. You seem to be missing the point I've been trying to make from jump.

I am saying that the myriad of arguments that have been offered against chemically modified hair are flimsy and reek of hypocrisy. Now because something is flimsy doesn't hold water. It might, but just very little. For a very short time. Get it?

Here a question. How many of you natural hair militants answer to your slave "sir" names or even first names? What does your name mean? Isn't your name as much of a definition of who you are as, say ... your hair? How about the various symbols to which you honor and pledge allegiance like the American flag. Now there's a symbol of love and benevolence to which most of you BBQ and toast it up to every 4th of July, and Memorial Day. OK, so maybe you don't really "celebrate" these things, and the holidays are just a day off. :rolleyes:

Gentlemen. Keep it 100.
 
DeSiRe said:
some of these people arent playing with a full deck...

logic in this argument isnt appreciated :smh:
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This is true.



DarkVoid said:
Lets look at this from a different perspective. What if white people and the other races never existed and we were the only humans on this planet, would the so-called black woman chemically straighten there hair or wear a straight weave ?
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The history of hair processing predates slavery and was driven by numerous factors for different reasons. Come on man.

OK. So, what was up with all those Western European aristocrats, men and women, that wore blonde curly wigs?

White people with curly hair that straighten their hair? They're trying to be more white?:confused:
 
sean69 said:
This is true.





The history of hair processing predates slavery and was driven by numerous factors for different reasons. Come on man.

OK. So, what was up with all those Western European aristocrats, men and women, that wore blonde curly wigs?

White people with curly hair that straighten their hair? They're trying to be more white?:confused:
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what percentage of them wore wigs?

you know its bigger than that mane.:hmm:
 
Rick Ronson said:
what percentage of them wore wigs?

you know its bigger than that mane.:hmm:
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WTF @ what percentage? :lol:

Oh, we're on percentages now? How is that even relevant to the argument?

Come on man, quit this dodging shit and address the point i made because this is getting on some argument of infinite regress type shit now ... :lol:






(0_0)..l.. finger said:
This is me reading some of the comments.......
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this pic ... :roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

every fucking time! :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
betterman said:
Ladies please stop acknowledging these effeminate sour little boys.
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Good reply fellas anytime a woman has an issue with you just call her a sour little girl..she will catch a tude and it will break off into another argument thereby avoiding. The issue....smooth shit right....

On another note how you look and how you're percieved is two different things.. Hope that don't fall in the bitter sour hater category :wink:
 
IntelligentDyme said:
I posted this in another thread a while ago. So I'm posting it here as I see it is fitting. Let me first say, whatever you do is your business...and it doesn't matter what you think, but that you think, critically and make informed choices. When I was little girl, I didn't even know the texture of my hair, I didn't know what was in relaxers, I didn't know a lot... Just like I didn't know what was in processed food, what ingredients on the back of products meant. But now that I am older I feel that knowing better is doing better...and a lot of us just don't know...so how can we do better? Some of us think we know...so again, how can we do better? This is in no way trying to slight anyone or their choices...

Let me try to explain it this way.... The Shwastica(sp?) the Nazi symbol was used a symbol of hatred.... The White hats that the KKK wear is a symbol or tool used to denote hatred. The confederate flag was used a symbol to represent hate... The use of the word n*gger originated as symbol of hatred.'

Language, flags, behavior can all indicate hate..


Relaxers were originated because people of color were trying to be more right by being more white and assimilate into a culture and society that hated them and told them they were inferior. SO the origins of relaxers are symbol of what it meant to black in America, you are not good enough, inferior, and you need to be more like us.

So mothers and daughters alike (even men, think Malcolm X) took part in what has really become a tradition of relaxing your hair because whites told you it was inferior, not manageable, and therefore not acceptable...

This traditions has been passed along so much that people think they do it because they prefer it, they like it, and it has nothing to do with self-hatred (like enjoying slave food: eating pig intestines, left-over slop, and pork skins, pig feet)..

This is what I mean about the psychological effects of enslavement; it has you thinking that you prefer things, that the result of slavery introduced to your ancestors hundreds of years ago (i.e. the never ending light skinned "preference" debate)...

So just like the NAzi symbol, confederate flags, and use of the word ******, conjure of feelings of hate for a group of people...so does chemically altering the molecular structure of your hair, when it indeed originated from a place of hatred..

So just like if you saw someone with KKK white hat on their head and they told you, it doesn't mean they hate blacks, they just do it cause they like to do it, you would say it was bull shit.. especially if you knew their immediate relatives all took part in this type of hating behavior...

The reason why people don't see relaxing as form of hatred is because they see it as a choice...Just like there is no way to take back the word n*gger and use in it a good way without the feelings of know where and why it was first used emerging, there is no way to take back relaxers and not still think of where it came from...

If someone carried around the confederate flag (a symbol) on their head, would u say it meant nothing? It is not about intent, even if they told you they loved blacks, it is about the symbolism...hence the symbolism of the relaxer...
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So question: are you suggesting people shouldn't do things based upon the negative stigma that was once attached to it?



If you found out there was a negative association with the sexual position doggystyle and it actually came from men having sex with dogs in the only postion that they could- would you stop doing doggystyle?
 
We also can't unbrainwash black women by re-brainwashing them to believe that they are promoting self hatered.

Because it then becomes a "i'm not promoting it i'm doing it cuz i want to". Or "because i want to look like beyonce"

We simply have to compliment them when they wear their hair naturally.
 
Okay, I'm mixed and it's nice to know that part of my hair is no better than the other part. Thanx
 
da_snitch said:
So question: are you suggesting people shouldn't do things based upon the negative stigma that was once attached to it?



If you found out there was a negative association with the sexual position doggystyle and it actually came from men having sex with dogs in the only postion that they could- would you stop doing doggystyle?
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If you would like to compare the forced enslavement of Africans and Americans of African descent in this country, the effects of said enslavement, the economic, social, and psychological hardships that this group of people face in this country, in addition to the continued institutionalized racism and brainwashing that ALL people in America face, coupled with the fact that black folks have been in enslaved far longer than they have been "free" in this country, and minimize this and label it as a "stigma" (which is an understatement at best) and compare it to a sexual position is your choice, weak, and frankly just sad....but not at all surprising.

The point of the post was not demean or say it's wrong or right, it's to explain why people have an emotional reaction to this and the discussion of this as depicted in this thread, because of its origins and symbolism. It is the same reason why the discussion of complexion and the word n*gger becomes emotional, because it is emotional topic for those who have experienced these things to the detriment of themselves, their lives, and the lives of people who love them.. Believe it or not some black women didn't have the choice to be natural as children, as adults they become frightened to think to be natural because they won't be accepted, or if their daughter/granddaughters want to be natural, because it's all they know...and because of what it represents to them (acceptance, assimilation etc.).

My point was that this is why people may have a negative view, it wasn't to say the view is correct, but to simply point out that it is understandable given our history in America. Do I think my relaxed sister hates herself? No. Do I understand why my father doesn't like it? Yes. Do I believe in being natural and living a natural healthy life, yes...and I promote it... Do I look down upon others who do not or are not natural? no....
 
IntelligentDyme said:
If you would like to compare the forced enslavement of Africans and Americans of African descent in this country, the effects of said enslavement, the economic, social, and psychological hardships that this group of people face in this country, in addition to the continued institutionalized racism and brainwashing that ALL people in America face, coupled with the fact that black folks have been in enslaved far longer than they have been "free" in this country, and minimize this and label it as a "stigma" (which is an understatement at best) and compare it to a sexual position is your choice, weak, and frankly just sad....but not at all surprising.

The point of the post was not demean or say it's wrong or right, it's to explain why people have an emotional reaction to this and the discussion of this as depicted in this thread, because of its origins and symbolism. It is the same reason why the discussion of complexion and the word n*gger becomes emotional, because it is emotional topic for those who have experienced these things to the detriment of themselves, their lives, and the lives of people who love them.. Believe it or not some black women didn't have the choice to be natural as children, as adults they become frightened to think to be natural because they won't be accepted, or if their daughter/granddaughters want to be natural, because it's all they know...and because of what it represents to them (acceptance, assimilation etc.).
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^^^

And the same "symbolic" reason why 99.9999% of "African Americans" chose to keep their slave names too.



My point was that this is why people may have a negative view, it wasn't to say the view is correct, but to simply point out that it is understandable given our history in America. Do I think my relaxed sister hates herself? No. Do I understand why my father doesn't like it? Yes. Do I believe in being natural and living a natural healthy life, yes...and I promote it... Do I look down upon others who do not or are not natural? no....
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Based on your previous epistle this is some twisty twirly stuff. You don't think a "relaxed sister" hates herself but that was the main point of those paragraphs.

Whether someone looks down on another person is not the point.

Am I missing something here? Ladies? Gentlemen?

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Oh. By the way ...


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