*** A Unique Perspective on the Vietnam War: Happy Veteran's Day ***

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I wanted to share an experience from a recent trip to Vietnam. Hope you enjoy the read.

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This year’s visit to Vietnam took an unexpected journey when I visited the Vietnam War Remnant Museum in Ho Chi Minh City (formerly Saigon). To this day, the Vietnam War is one of the most fascinating historical periods for me to study, but this time I saw the perspective from the other side, not through American history books and propaganda narratives.

I traveled to the country again for work, where I am leading a project between the US and Vietnam to help them improve their meteorological infrastructure for aviation safety.

However, this Veteran’s Day, I honor both the United States and Vietnamese soldiers caught in the crosshairs of political ambition at the cost of millions of lives and traumatic effects. I toured the museum with a Vietnamese citizen whose father served in North Vietnam and a White man who learned the history of the war through American history books. Two sons of former soldiers from different parts of the world walk into the War Crimes exhibit, where images of American soldiers carried out malicious acts against the citizens of Vietnam. But it wasn’t enough to see the atrocities. The reality was that my father was a Black American man drafted into a war that had nothing to do with him. American history books teach us that this was a fight against communism —was it really the truth?

For an entire week, I met with Vietnamese leadership to discuss how we can continue this essential project and build a system they can use operationally. I broke bread with them, learned deeply about their culture, and ran 5 miles through Phu Quoc Island, where people live their daily lives. Yet, I stood in that exhibition looking at pictures of mutilated bodies, tortured Vietnamese citizens, and the weapons used against them. My Vietnamese colleague was telling me how scared his father was that he was going to be born disfigured due to the usage of Agent Orange, a deadly chemical used in that war, where the aftereffects caused a variety of cancers and congenital disabilities. Even US soldiers were collateral damage from the chemical.

The reason I mention race and ethnicity is that the three of us were the representation of that war. The Black American soldiers drafted were fighting two battles: against US citizens and the government that didn’t want them to have equal rights, and a war that the US government told us was a fight against communism. My father was one of many Black men subjected to these conflicts. However, I hear my Vietnamese colleague's side, and I get to see their truth behind the war, while my White colleague's entire perception of what he thought he knew is forever altered.

Propaganda signs in Saigon and throughout South Vietnam said, “U.S. Negro Armymen, you are committing the same ignominious crimes in South Vietnam that the KKK clique is perpetrating against your family at home.” But this wasn’t propaganda. This was the truth. We all know America’s history towards its Black citizens, so there is no need to pretend that it didn’t exist.

As my Vietnamese colleague tells me about his father’s side, I discuss my father’s side with him. I mentioned to him about Muhammad Ali’s great quote, “No Vietcong ever called me ni**er,” it was a perspective he had never known about—a perspective that showed the complicated nature of this war and why we should have never been there. And as we conversed, my White colleague continued to look at the exhibits and wondered if any American leaders were charged with these war crimes against the Vietnamese citizens. Pictures of dead men, women, and children served as a sobering moment for all of us. We left that exhibit speechless.

Two guys, whose fathers were once enemies, produced sons who, 50 years later, work together as colleagues. We all developed a better understanding of each other and what we thought we knew. This Veteran’s Day post honors the soldiers on both lines. My father, my Vietnamese colleague’s father, and everyone who fought a meaningless war. As Edwin Starr said, “War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing.”

 
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"Ho Chi Minh and Marcus Garvey shared a connection through their mutual interest in liberation and anti-colonialism. While living in Harlem, Ho Chi Minh attended lectures by Garvey and was inspired by his message, which later influenced Ho's anti-imperialist writings and actions, such as his essay "On Lynching and the Ku Klux Klan". The two leaders, though separated by geography and race, recognized the shared struggle of oppressed people against Western empires and white supremacy. "
 
Thank you for the post! Admittedly, I know less about the Vietnam war (reasons we went and reasons we left) but I will definitely study up on it more.

It's a very complex war because it was going on during the Civil Rights Movement, while black men were disproportionately drafted over white men.

It was pure propaganda, and the Vietnamese were never a threat to us. The French had just left the occupation before we came in, dropping bombs on them.

Saigon fell in '75. I visited Independence Palace, where the North Vietnamese government took control of South Vietnam.

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Naw not heavy at all...

My pops didn't get drafted, but I have 2 uncles that did....Both never ever wants to talk about that war......

I come to realize many Vietnam vets don't talk about it because they knew the entire war was wrong as fuck.

The shit they did to those people (mostly civilians) lives deep in them, only to come back home to a country that treated them like second-class citizens and see the same atrocities committed against their own people.

And it's not like they came back with open arms. Their own people shunned them for fighting a white man's war. The PTSD for many was probably connected to their own actions. It isn't very easy to comprehend.
 
Right. I couldn’t tell my Vietnamese colleague is truth about things wasn’t valid. I was on his turf learning how they experienced it.
Sad what was done

Sad what is still being done.

Attempted regime changes

Aggression and blowing up fishing boats in Venezuela.

Assisting in genocide and bombings to help a foreign government.

Complicit in continuing insurgence and instability esp in Africa.

Assisting a foreign government in the live assassination of an American citizen

Who gave the stand down order on Oct. 7th.

That’s all

Carry on…….
 
Sad what is still being done.

Attempted regime changes

Aggression and blowing up fishing boats in Venezuela.

Assisting in genocide and bombings to help a foreign government.

Complicit in continuing insurgence and instability esp in Africa.

Assisting a foreign government in the live assassination of an American citizen

Who gave the stand down order on Oct. 7th.

That’s all

Carry on…….

You’re right :smh:

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It's a very complex war because it was going on during the Civil Rights Movement, while black men were disproportionately drafted over white men.

It was pure propaganda, and the Vietnamese were never a threat to us. The French had just left the occupation before we came in, dropping bombs on them.

Saigon fell in '75. I visited Independence Palace, where the North Vietnamese government took control of South Vietnam.

52688669.jpg


IMG-0985.jpg

IMG-1003.jpg

IMG-0994.jpg

It just makes me sad. The bolded part especially considering of what those men went through and what happened when they came back when drugs entered the community. It was a calculated move by the US Government. I just got done reading a book about Tulsa Massacre and it caused my blood to boil. Thank you for your post.
 
I come to realize many Vietnam vets don't talk about it because they knew the entire war was wrong as fuck.

The shit they did to those people (mostly civilians) lives deep in them, only to come back home to a country that treated them like second-class citizens and see the same atrocities committed against their own people.

And it's not like they came back with open arms. Their own people shunned them for fighting a white man's war. The PTSD for many was probably connected to their own actions. It isn't very easy to comprehend.

The ending of First blood aged very well in light of the coverage of mental health of troops over the last 20 years. Stallone did a great job in that scene. I have a quiet admiration for all Vietnam vets because of them having to go through what they went through their and the public rejecting them as a whole when they come home. ("Calling them baby killer and all kinds of vile crap")

 
The ending of First blood aged very well in light of the coverage of mental health of troops over the last 20 years. Stallone did a great job in that scene. I have a quiet admiration for all Vietnam vets because of them having to go through what they went through their and the public rejecting them as a whole when they come home. ("Calling them baby killer and all kinds of vile crap")



I need to revisit that movie. That breakdown was different.
 
The ending of First blood aged very well in light of the coverage of mental health of troops over the last 20 years. Stallone did a great job in that scene. I have a quiet admiration for all Vietnam vets because of them having to go through what they went through their and the public rejecting them as a whole when they come home. ("Calling them baby killer and all kinds of vile crap")


One of my favorites

The very beginning, lookin for his friend and he’s gone

He traveled to see and then there was nothing to see

His friend was everything to him at that moment

I wish he had killed every last cop in that town
 
Sad what is still being done.

Attempted regime changes

Aggression and blowing up fishing boats in Venezuela.

Assisting in genocide and bombings to help a foreign government.

Complicit in continuing insurgence and instability esp in Africa.

Assisting a foreign government in the live assassination of an American citizen

Who gave the stand down order on Oct. 7th.

That’s all

Carry on…….
Cac ain’t shit
 
I wanted to share an experience from a recent trip to Vietnam. Hope you enjoy the read.

War.jpg


This year’s visit to Vietnam took an unexpected journey when I visited the Vietnam War Remnant Museum in Ho Chi Minh City (formerly Saigon). To this day, the Vietnam War is one of the most fascinating historical periods for me to study, but this time I saw the perspective from the other side, not through American history books and propaganda narratives.

I traveled to the country again for work, where I am leading a project between the US and Vietnam to help them improve their meteorological infrastructure for aviation safety.

However, this Veteran’s Day, I honor both the United States and Vietnamese soldiers caught in the crosshairs of political ambition at the cost of millions of lives and traumatic effects. I toured the museum with a Vietnamese citizen whose father served in North Vietnam and a White man who learned the history of the war through American history books. Two sons of former soldiers from different parts of the world walk into the War Crimes exhibit, where images of American soldiers carried out malicious acts against the citizens of Vietnam. But it wasn’t enough to see the atrocities. The reality was that my father was a Black American man drafted into a war that had nothing to do with him. American history books teach us that this was a fight against communism —was it really the truth?

For an entire week, I met with Vietnamese leadership to discuss how we can continue this essential project and build a system they can use operationally. I broke bread with them, learned deeply about their culture, and ran 5 miles through Phu Quoc Island, where people live their daily lives. Yet, I stood in that exhibition looking at pictures of mutilated bodies, tortured Vietnamese citizens, and the weapons used against them. My Vietnamese colleague was telling me how scared his father was that he was going to be born disfigured due to the usage of Agent Orange, a deadly chemical used in that war, where the aftereffects caused a variety of cancers and congenital disabilities. Even US soldiers were collateral damage from the chemical.

The reason I mention race and ethnicity is that the three of us were the representation of that war. The Black American soldiers drafted were fighting two battles: against US citizens and the government that didn’t want them to have equal rights, and a war that the US government told us was a fight against communism. My father was one of many Black men subjected to these conflicts. However, I hear my Vietnamese colleague's side, and I get to see their truth behind the war, while my White colleague's entire perception of what he thought he knew is forever altered.

Propaganda signs in Saigon and throughout South Vietnam said, “U.S. Negro Armymen, you are committing the same ignominious crimes in South Vietnam that the KKK clique is perpetrating against your family at home.” But this wasn’t propaganda. This was the truth. We all know America’s history towards its Black citizens, so there is no need to pretend that it didn’t exist.

As my Vietnamese colleague tells me about his father’s side, I discuss my father’s side with him. I mentioned to him about Muhammad Ali’s great quote, “No Vietcong ever called me ni**er,” it was a perspective he had never known about—a perspective that showed the complicated nature of this war and why we should have never been there. And as we conversed, my White colleague continued to look at the exhibits and wondered if any American leaders were charged with these war crimes against the Vietnamese citizens. Pictures of dead men, women, and children served as a sobering moment for all of us. We left that exhibit speechless.

Two guys, whose fathers were once enemies, produced sons who, 50 years later, work together as colleagues. We all developed a better understanding of each other and what we thought we knew. This Veteran’s Day post honors the soldiers on both lines. My father, my Vietnamese colleague’s father, and everyone who fought a meaningless war. As Edwin Starr said, “War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing.”


Thank you
 
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