A Look at the Numbers: How the Rich Get Richer

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source: Mother Jones

May/June 2006 Issue

IN 1985, THE FORBES 400 were worth $221 billion combined. Today, they’re worth $1.13 trillion—more than the GDP of Canada.

THERE’VE BEEN FEW new additions to the Forbes 400. The median household income has also stagnated—at around $44,000.

AMONG THE FORBES 400 who gave to a 2004 presidential campaign, 72% gave to Bush.

IN 2005, there were 9 million American millionaires, a 62% increase since 2002.

IN 2005, 25.7 million Americans received food stamps, a 49% increase since 2000.

ONLY ESTATES worth more than $1.5 million are taxed. That’s less than 1% of all estates. Still, repealing the estate tax will cost the government at least $55 billion a year.

ONLY 3% OF STUDENTS at the top 146 colleges come from families in the bottom income quartile; only 10% come from the bottom half.

BUSH’S TAX CUTS GIVE a 2-child family earning $1 million an extra $86,722—or Harvard tuition, room, board, and an iMac G5 for both kids.

A 2-CHILD family earning $50,000 gets $2,050—or 1/5 the cost of public college for one kid.

THIS YEAR, Donald Trump will earn $1.5 million an hour to speak at Learning Annex seminars.

ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION, the federal minimum wage has fallen 42% since its peak in 1968.

IF THE $5.15 HOURLY minimum wage had risen at the same rate as CEO compensation since 1990, it would now stand at $23.03.

A MINIMUM WAGE employee who works 40 hours a week for 51 weeks a year goes home with $10,506 before taxes.

SUCH A WORKER would take 7,000 years to earn Oracle CEO Larry Ellison’s yearly compensation.

ELLISON RECENTLY posed in Vanity Fair with his $300 million, 454-foot yacht, which he noted is “really only the size of a very large house.”

ONLY THE WEALTHIEST 20% of Americans spend more on entertainment than on health care.

THE $17,530 EARNED by the average Wal-Mart employee last year was $1,820 below the poverty line for a family of 4.

5 OF AMERICA’S 10 richest people are Wal-Mart heirs.

PUBLIC COMPANIES spend 10% of their earnings compensating their top 5 executives.

1,730 BOARD MEMBERS of the nation’s 1,000 leading companies sit on the boards of 4 or more other corporations—including half of Coca-Cola’s 14-person board.

THE BIDDER who won a round of golf with Tiger Woods for $30,100 at a 2004 Buick charity auction could deduct all but about $200.

TIGER MADE $87 million in 2005, all but $12 million from endorsements and appearance fees.

THE 5TH LEADING philanthropist last year was Boone Pickens, in part due to his $165 million gift to Oklahoma State University’s golf program.

WITHIN AN HOUR, OSU invested it in a hedge fund Pickens controls. Thanks to a Katrina relief provision, his “gift” was also 100% deductible.

LAST YEAR 250 COMPANIES gave top execs between $50,000 and $1 million worth of wholly personal flights on corporate jets.

THIS PERK is 66% more costly to companies whose CEO belongs to out-of-state golf clubs.

THE U.S. GOVERNMENT spends $500,000 on 8 security screeners who speed execs from a Wall Street helipad to American’s JFK terminal.

UNITED HAS CUT the pensions and salaries of most employees but promised 400 top executives 8% of the shares it expects to issue upon emerging from bankruptcy.

UNITED’S TOP 8 execs will also get a bonus of between 55% and 100% of their salaries.

IN 2002, “turnaround artist” Robert Miller dumped Bethlehem Steel’s pension obligation, allowing “vulture investor” Wilbur L. Ross to buy steel stock and sell it at a 1,000% profit.

IN 2005, DELPHI HIRED Miller for $4.5 million. After Ross said he might buy Delphi if its labor costs fell, Miller demanded wage cuts of up to 63% and dumped the pension obligation.

10 FORMER ENRON directors agreed to pay shareholders a $13 million settlement—which is 10% of what they made by dumping stock while lying about the company’s health.

POOR AMERICANS spend 1/4 of their income on residential energy costs.

EXXON’S 2005 PROFIT of $36.13 billion is more than the GDP of 2/3 of the world’s nations.

CEO PAY AMONG military contractors has tripled since 2001. For David Brooks, the CEO of bulletproof vest maker DHB, it’s risen 13,233%.

AT THE $10 MILLION bat mitzvah party Brooks threw his daughter last year, guests got $1,000 gift bags and listened to Aerosmith, Kenny G., Tom Petty, Stevie Nicks, and 50 Cent—who reportedly sang, “Go shorty, it’s your bat mitzvah, we gonna party like it’s your bat mitzvah.”

FOR PERFORMING IN the Live 8 concerts to “make poverty history,” musicians each got gift bags worth up to $12,000.

OSCAR PERFORMERS and presenters collectively owe the IRS $1,250,000 on the gift bags they got at the 2006 Academy Awards ceremony.

A DOG FOOD COMPANY provided “pawdicures” and other spa treatments to pets of celebrities attending the 2006 Sundance Film Festival.

ONE OF MADONNA’S recent freebies: $10,000 mink and diamond-tipped false eyelashes.

PARIS HILTON, who charges clubs $200,000 to appear for 20 minutes, stiffed Elton John’s AIDS benefit the $2,500-per-plate fee she owed.

ACCORDING TO Radar magazine, Owen Wilson was paid $100,000 to attend a Mercedes-Benz-sponsored Hamptons polo match. When other guests tried to speak with him, he reportedly said, “That’s not my job.”

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Do you envy those who have an ability to create a need that people want need and desire? In your world do you want everyone to be the same? Pick a better county. I've sized you up in just two posts. You're in desparate need to be taken cared of. No one owes you anything!!!!
 
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Do you envy those who have an ability to create a need that people want need and desire? In your world do you want everyone to be the same? Pick a better county. I've sized you up in just two posts. You're in desparate need to be taken cared of. No one owes you anything!!!!

Are you getting paid to post here?
 
Are you getting paid to post here?

Yeah, each time I lift the veil of ignorance I get a dollar. Who do you think is paying me? Who is paying you to post here? The Rainbow Coalition? If you post, some one may challenge your thoughts, this is a forum isn't it. I know you're use to posting without rebuttal. Those days are over. Learn what you believe and be prepared to defend your thoughts:lol:.
 
Yeah, each time I lift the veil of ignorance I get a dollar. Who do you think is paying me? Who is paying you to post here? The Rainbow Coalition? If you post, some one may challenge your thoughts, this is a forum isn't it. I know you're use to posting without rebuttal. Those days are over. Learn what you believe and be prepared to defend your thoughts:lol:.

Because you only have like 50 posts and the shit has been fuck up for 30 years and mostly the last eight under GW and you suddenly pop on the scene.:hmm:
 
Because you only have like 50 posts and the shit has been fuck up for 30 years and mostly the last eight under GW and you suddenly pop on the scene.:hmm:

For you yes. Because your not where you want to be in life, you cant automatically assume its bad for everyone. So when the economy was booming after 9/11 with record job growth can you point to a single post you made that gave him credit? 50 posts but I've read many political posts over the years. Some excellent and some bad. Logic and facts are absolute period. Just because you have a BA or MA behind your name doesn't mean you have knowledge if that knowledge is based on misinformation. Hell Germany thought Hitler was smart. What does my posts count has to do with anything anyway. God you liberals are easy to offend. Its funny how you have yet to attack my arguments. Now your reduced to attack me instead of my thoughts. Which is one of the reasons I dislike engaging into discourse with some liberals. Emotions!!!!!!!! Where's the substance.

Quick question? Liberals like to rant about raising the minimum wage. If your representative comes back to you and say "look what I did I put more money into your pocket". Mc'Donald's then raises the price of the value meal. Now you're back at square one, How has that helped those less fortunate? Also, Mickey D's has to lay off employees due to overhead which nine times out of ten affects our community, but thats another story for another day.

P.S. can i borrow some of your posts to give me some street cred!!!!!
 
For you yes. Because your not where you want to be in life, you cant automatically assume its bad for everyone. So when the economy was booming after 9/11 with record job growth can you point to a single post you made that gave him credit? 50 posts but I've read many political posts over the years. Some excellent and some bad. Logic and facts are absolute period. Just because you have a BA or MA behind your name doesn't mean you have knowledge if that knowledge is based on misinformation. Hell Germany thought Hitler was smart. What does my posts count has to do with anything anyway. God you liberals are easy to offend. Its funny how you have yet to attack my arguments. Now your reduced to attack me instead of my thoughts. Which is one of the reasons I dislike engaging into discourse with some liberals. Emotions!!!!!!!! Where's the substance.

Quick question? Liberals like to rant about raising the minimum wage. If your representative comes back to you and say "look what I did I put more money into your pocket". Mc'Donald's then raises the price of the value meal. Now you're back at square one, How has that helped those less fortunate? Also, Mickey D's has to lay off employees due to overhead which nine times out of ten affects our community, but thats another story for another day.

P.S. can i borrow some of your posts to give me some street cred!!!!!

I know you’re not actinanass, because your grammar and sentence structure is not as juvenile, but the personal attacks are inline with his style. But the personal attacks are a hallmark of right wingers in general. You don’t know me, so don’t try to figure me out. I think actinanass sent you here since he has finally got if figured out that I have stopped responding to his daily republican talking points. I think you are using his ip address, but I don’t check such things unless I get hostile threats. I think he sent you here though.
 
I know you’re not actinanass, because your grammar and sentence structure is not as juvenile, but the personal attacks are inline with his style. But the personal attacks are a hallmark of right wingers in general. You don’t know me, so don’t try to figure me out. I think actinanass sent you here since he has finally got if figured out that I have stopped responding to his daily republican talking points. I think you are using his ip address, but I don’t check such things unless I get hostile threats. I think he sent you here though.

Dude, it's a forum and I'm an extremely well read political scientist. Why so serious? Geeez, debating is a bloodsport. Maybe you should pull the little tree out of your back pocket and give it a hug.
 
IN 1985, THE FORBES 400 were worth $221 billion combined. Today, they’re worth $1.13 trillion—more than the GDP of Canada.


I thought they were worth more than that. Obscene
 
I hope you realized that nothing has changed. Obama did more of the same that Bush did and also that most of the billionaires donated to Obama. So perhaps you should revise or show similarities and contrast. The funny thing is people stopped calling Bush stupid when Obama started doing the same things and doing everything grander.
 
I hope you realized that nothing has changed. Obama did more of the same that Bush did and also that most of the billionaires donated to Obama. So perhaps you should revise or show similarities and contrast. The funny thing is people stopped calling Bush stupid when Obama started doing the same things and doing everything grander.

Obama did more of the same that Bush did...
:lol:

So why does the right hate Obama so much?


More when I get a response.
 
:lol:

So why does the right hate Obama so much?


More when I get a response.

From what I see Obama get more love than Bush ever did. More people on the right respects Obama as a politician than people on the left respected Bush for anything he did right. People on the right will tell you what Obama does that is good and what they respect him for.


Man stick to the freaking topic. Rich, Poor, Bush policies affecting the rich and Obama contrast because I like others, assume your bumping of these old threads is to show that since Obama came in how much more wonderful the lives of the poor has become and how the rich has become less rich and their wealth have been given to the poor or their ability to make their billions got restricted and now everyone is so much more contented.

You have a whole bunch of other threads where you can discuss why people hate Obama
 
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When are you going to understand politics in the USA is like the WWE, it not about left or right. Obama is a bigger puppet than Bush was and he works for Wall St and since he been in office Wall St CEO's have recieved record bounces while he has been president, and you dont hear the right talking about that.
:lol:

So why does the right hate Obama so much?


More when I get a response.
 
Obama's been in office 1 year. Bush had 8. How can anyone compare them. Last year the world was on the brink of a fucking economic collapse, bogged down in 2 wars of choice all because of bush and his cronies. Now 1/2 the country wants to put them back in office. Its mindboggling and those same people cannot understand why we still have a electoral college or why conservatives want to end public education.
 
Obama's been in office 1 year. Bush had 8. How can anyone compare them. Last year the world was on the brink of a fucking economic collapse, bogged down in 2 wars of choice all because of bush and his cronies. Now 1/2 the country wants to put them back in office. Its mindboggling and those same people cannot understand why we still have a electoral college or why conservatives want to end public education.

Um......CHURCH.........................:yes::yes:
 
Obama's been in office 1 year. Bush had 8. How can anyone compare them. Last year the world was on the brink of a fucking economic collapse, bogged down in 2 wars of choice all because of bush and his cronies. Now 1/2 the country wants to put them back in office. Its mindboggling and those same people cannot understand why we still have a electoral college or why conservatives want to end public education.

What do you mean we can't compare ? Such bullshit. His clock started from day one. He's already signed laws. We already discussed the positive side of war on the economy here already.

Now if you look deep you can find things to compare while still sticking to the topic of the thread. If you want I can give you a hint.
 
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What do you mean we can't compare ? Such bullshit. His clock started from day one. He's already signed laws. We already discussed the positive side of war on the economy here already.

Now if you look deep you can find things to compare while still sticking to the topic of the thread. If you want I can give you a hint.


I'll pass on the hint but tell us how you can compare the two terms when there is such a gap in years. While you're at it can you explain how Obama is suppose to undo the Bush tax cut/wealth transfer in just 1 yr.
 
I'll pass on the hint but tell us how you can compare the two terms when there is such a gap in years. While you're at it can you explain how Obama is suppose to undo the Bush tax cut/wealth transfer in just 1 yr.

Ah. There you go. You found something to compare. See that's it. Wealth transfer is one of the topic. And polics is the game. Obama is good at the politics game.

Enough of this clever crap. Politics as usual is the game. Doesn't matter which party wins. They do things in their own self interest
 
Ah. There you go. You found something to compare. See that's it. Wealth transfer is one of the topic. And polics is the game. Obama is good at the politics game.

Enough of this clever crap. Politics as usual is the game. Doesn't matter which party wins. They do things in their own self interest

But Nittie has a point, doesn't he?

The President may never do some things he promised but you appear to be arguing that he should have done everything in one day or one month or one year. I probably don't agree with a lot Nittie says, but I think he's dead-on in saying that you can't compare what one man who has been in office just over a year hasn't done -- with what another man was able to do get done, over the course of eight years.

No?

QueEx
 
Has Obama done anyting since he has been in office ? Yes. Does he take credit for the things he has done? Yes. Does he Obama go on TV and talk about the benchmarks he has met? Yes. Does Obama compare himself to previous administrations? Yes. Can the laws Obama passed or campain promises that he has enacted be compared? Yes.

There are tons of things to compare along the lines of the topic posted by the OP. Otherwise if there is no comparison what the fu.ck is he gloating about then by bumping the post?

So lets have all them crap in the the original post that he want's to say that the administration has done to make the rich less richer and poor more richer and that the rich didn't get richer in this administration. And that the claim that this administration didn't cater to the rich as often been the accusation of the Republican party.

Tell where is your outrage about Obama catering to the rich. Where is the off with their heads comments that were often touted in the Bush times. Take that list and take out Bush name and put Obamas name in there and you get nothing different. Where is the revocation of things promised in the campaign. Clearly if he didn't revoke anything he must believe they are still necessary for the moment.

If we go back to stuff on this board Bush was the worse president from day 1 on this board and it never let up. There was never a missed opportunity not to call him stupid. If Bush can be graded from day 1 why not Obama ?

He bump the post now and not later down the road when you guys believe that Obama should be evaluated, so lets deal with the topics in the post and see what's changed so far.

But Nittie has a point, doesn't he?

The President may never do some things he promised but you appear to be arguing that he should have done everything in one day or one month or one year. I probably don't agree with a lot Nittie says, but I think he's dead-on in saying that you can't compare what one man who has been in office just over a year hasn't done -- with what another man was able to do get done, over the course of eight years.

No?

QueEx
 
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Has Obama done anyting since he has been in office ? Yes. Does he take credit for the things he has done? Yes. Does he Obama go on TV and talk about the benchmarks he has met? Yes. Does Obama compare himself to previous administrations? Yes. Can the laws Obama passed or campain promises that he has enacted be compared? Yes.

opportunity not to call him stupid. If Bush can be graded from day 1 why not Obama ?

He bump the post now and not later down the road when you guys believe that Obama should be evaluated, so lets deal with the topics in the post and see what's changed so far.

OK, let's use your argument points. Let's grade Obama at the same time period in which GW was in office. Obama has been in office for about 15 months. What did GW do during his first 15 months?

Remember, when GW took office, the federal deficit was a surplus of about $500 billion,, The dot com bubble burst, but gasoline was not $4 a gallon, Saddam Hussein was contained with the "No Fly Zone". GW left Obama with $482 billion deficit, an economy in worse shape than it had been in 70 years and 2 wars with no easy solution to conclude.

Bush's first year:

source: Third World Traveler

1. Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops.

2. Cut federal spending on libraries by $39 million.

3. Cut $35 million in funding for doctors to get advanced pediatric training.

4. Cut funding for research into renewable energy sources by 50%.

5. Revoked rules that reduced the acceptable levels of arsenic in drinking water.

6. Blocked rules that would require federal agencies to offer bilingual assistance to non-English speaking persons. This, from a candidate who would readily fire-up his Spanish-speaking skills in front of would-be Hispanic voters.

7. Proposed to eliminate new marine protections for the Channel Islands and the coral reefs of northwest Hawaii (please see San Francisco Chronicle, April 6, 2001).

8. Cut funding for research into cleaner, more efficient cars and trucks by 28%

9. Suspended rules that would have strengthened the government's ability to deny contracts to companies that violated workplace safety, environmental and other federal laws.

10. Approved the sending of letters by Interior Department appointee Gale Norton to state officials soliciting suggestions for opening up national monuments for oil and gas drilling, coal mining, and foresting.

11. Appointed John Negroponte -- an unindicted high-level Iran Contra figure to the post of United Nations Ambassador.

12. Abandoned a campaign pledge to invest $100 million for rainforest conservation.

13. Reduced by 86% the Community Access Program for public hospitals, clinics and providers of
care for people without insurance.

14. Rescinded a proposal to increase public access to information about the potential consequences resulting from chemical plant accidents.

15. Suspended rules that would require hardrock miners to clean up sites on public lands.

16. Cut $60 million from a Boy's and Girl's Clubs of America program for public housing.

17. Proposed to eliminate a federal program, designed and successfully used in Seattle, to help communities prepare for natural disasters.

18. Pulled out of the 1997 Kyoto Treaty global warming agreement.

19. Cut $200 million of work force training for dislocated workers.

20. Eliminated funding for the Wetlands Reserve Program, which encourages farmers to maintain wetlands habitat on their property.

21. Cut program to provide childcare to low-income families as they move from welfare to work.

22. Cut a program that provided prescription contraceptive coverage to federal employees (though it still pays for Viagra).

23. Cut $700 million in capital funds for repairs in public housing.

24. Appointed Otto Reich -- an un-indicted high-level Iran Contra figure -- to Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs.

25. Cut the budget of the Environmental Protection Agency by $500 million.

26. Proposed to curtail the ability of groups to sue in order to get an animal placed on the Endangered Species List.

27. Rescinded the rule that mandated increased energy-saving efficiency regulations for central air conditioners and heat pumps.

28. Repealed workplace ergonomic rules designed to improve worker health and safety.

29. Abandoned campaign pledge to regulate carbon dioxide, the waste gas that contributes to global warming.

30. Banned federal aid to international family planning programs that offer abortion counseling with other independent funds.

31. Closed the White House Office for Women's Health Initiatives and Outreach.

32. Nominated David Lauriski -- an ex-mining company executive --- to post of Assistant Secretary of Labor for Mine Safety and Health.

33. Approved a controversial plan by Interior Secretary Gale Norton to auction oil and gas development tracts off the coast of eastern Florida.

34. Announced intention to open up Montana's Lewis and Clark National Forest to oil and drilling.

35. Proposes to re-draw boundaries of nation's monuments, which would technically allow oil and gas drilling outside of national monuments.

36. Gutted the White House AIDS Office.

37. Renegotiated a free trade agreement with Jordan to eliminate workers' rights and safeguards for the environment.

38. Will no longer seek guidance from The American Bar Association in recommendations for the federal judiciary appointments.

39. Appointed recycling foe Lynn Scarlett as Undersecretary of the Interior..

40. Took steps to abolish the White House Council on Environmental Quality.

41. Cut the Community Oriented Policing Services program.

42. Allowed Interior Secretary Gale Norton to shelve citizen-led grizzly bear re-introduction plan scheduled for Idaho and Montana wilderness.

43. Continues to hold up federal funding for stem cell research projects.

44. Makes sure convicted misdemeanor drug users cannot get financial aid for college, though convicted murderers can.

45. Refused to fund continued cleanup of uranium-slag heap in Utah.

46. Refused to fund continued litigation of the government's tobacco company lawsuit.

47. Proposed a $2 trillion tax cut, 43% of which will go to the wealthiest 1 % of Americans.

48. Signed a bill making it harder for poor and middle-class Americans to file for bankruptcy, even in the case of daunting medical bills.

49. Appointed a Vice President quoted as saying, lf you want to do something about carbon dioxide emissions, then you ought to build nuclear power plants (Meet the Press)

50. Appointed Diana Roth to the Council of Economic Advisers. (There is no gender gap in pay, Boston Globe, March 28, 2001.)

51. Appointed Kay Cole James, an opponent of affirmative action, to direct the Office of Personnel Management.

52. Cut $15.7 million earmarked for states to investigate cases of child abuse and neglect.

53. Helped kill a law designed to make it tougher for teenagers to get credit cards.

54. Proposed elimination of the Reading is Fundamental program that gives free books to poor children.

55.1s pushing for development of small nuclear arms to attack deeply buried targets and weapons. This would violate the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty.

56. Proposes to nominate Jeffrey Sutton, the attorney responsible for a recent case weakening the Americans with Disabilities Act, to federal appeals court judgeship.

57. Proposes to reverse regulation protecting 60 million acres of national forest from logging and road building.

58. Eliminated funding for the We the People education program which taught school children about the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and citizenship.

59. Appointed John Bolton, who opposes nonproliferation treaties and the UN, to Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security.

60. Nominated Linda Fisher, an executive with Monsanto, for the number-two job at the Environmental Protection Agency.

61. Nominated Michael McConnell, leading critic of the separation of church and state, to a federal judgeship.

62. Nominated Terrence Boyle, an ardent opponent of civil rights, to a federal judgeship.

63. Canceled 2004 deadline for automakers to develop prototype high mileage cars.

64. Nominated Harvey Pitts, a lawyer for a teen sex video distributor, to head SEC.

65. Nominated John Walters, a strong opponent of prison drug treatment programs, to be Drug Tsar. (Washington Post, May 16, 2001.)

66. Nominated J. Steven Giles, an oil and coal lobbyist, for Deputy Secretary of the Interior.

67. Nominated Bennett Raley, who advocates repealing the Endangered Species Act, for Assistant Secretary for Water and Science

68. Is seeking the dismissal of class-action lawsuit filed in the US against Japan by Asian women forced to work as sex slaves during WWII.

69. Earmarked $4 million in new federal grant money for HIV and drug abuse prevention programs to go only to religious groups and not secular equivalents.

70. Reduced the Low Income Home Assistance Program by 40%; it aided low-income individuals who need assistance paying energy bills.

71. Nominated Ted Olson, who has repeatedly lied about his involvement with the Scaiffe-funded Arkansas Project to bring down Bill Clinton, for Solicitor General.

72. Nominated Terrance Boyle, a foe of civil rights, to a federal judgeship..

73. Proposes to ease permit process, including environmental considerations, for refinery, nuclear and hydroelectric dam construction. (Washington Post, May 18, 2001.)

74. Proposes to give government the authority to take private property through eminent domain for power lines.

75. Proposes that $1.2 billion in funding for alternative renewable energy come from selling oil and gas lease tracts in the Alaska National Wildlife Reserve.

76. Plans on serving genetically engineered foods at all official government functions.

77. Forced out Forest Service chief Mike Dombeck and appointed a timber industry lobbyist.

 
Has Obama done anyting since he has been in office ? Yes. Does he take credit for the things he has done? Yes. Does he Obama go on TV and talk about the benchmarks he has met? Yes. Does Obama compare himself to previous administrations? Yes. Can the laws Obama passed or campain promises that he has enacted be compared? Yes.

There are tons of things to compare along the lines of the topic posted by the OP. Otherwise if there is no comparison what the fu.ck is he gloating about then by bumping the post?

I'll let the original poster respond (as he has done) to the substantive issues but my point simply was in making a comparison (of whatever there is to compare) it should be done under like circumstances. Surely, you don't disagree with that?

QueEx
 
Again you went off in a different direction from your top which the thread is based on. Stick to your own topic. Rich, Poor, Rich getting Richer, Bush making policies to benefit his rich friends and wall street. ... Read the first post again and answer what's for you to bump the thread.

You have plenty of other threads where the points you are making below work. This is not the thread for them

OK, let's use your argument points. Let's grade Obama at the same time period in which GW was in office. Obama has been in office for about 15 months. What did GW do during his first 15 months?

Remember, when GW took office, the federal deficit was a surplus of about $500 billion,, The dot com bubble burst, but gasoline was not $4 a gallon, Saddam Hussein was contained with the "No Fly Zone". GW left Obama with $482 billion deficit, an economy in worse shape than it had been in 70 years and 2 wars with no easy solution to conclude.

Bush's first year:

source: Third World Traveler

1. Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops.

2. Cut federal spending on libraries by $39 million.

3. Cut $35 million in funding for doctors to get advanced pediatric training.

4. Cut funding for research into renewable energy sources by 50%.

5. Revoked rules that reduced the acceptable levels of arsenic in drinking water.

6. Blocked rules that would require federal agencies to offer bilingual assistance to non-English speaking persons. This, from a candidate who would readily fire-up his Spanish-speaking skills in front of would-be Hispanic voters.

7. Proposed to eliminate new marine protections for the Channel Islands and the coral reefs of northwest Hawaii (please see San Francisco Chronicle, April 6, 2001).

8. Cut funding for research into cleaner, more efficient cars and trucks by 28%

9. Suspended rules that would have strengthened the government's ability to deny contracts to companies that violated workplace safety, environmental and other federal laws.

10. Approved the sending of letters by Interior Department appointee Gale Norton to state officials soliciting suggestions for opening up national monuments for oil and gas drilling, coal mining, and foresting.

11. Appointed John Negroponte -- an unindicted high-level Iran Contra figure to the post of United Nations Ambassador.

12. Abandoned a campaign pledge to invest $100 million for rainforest conservation.

13. Reduced by 86% the Community Access Program for public hospitals, clinics and providers of
care for people without insurance.

14. Rescinded a proposal to increase public access to information about the potential consequences resulting from chemical plant accidents.

15. Suspended rules that would require hardrock miners to clean up sites on public lands.

16. Cut $60 million from a Boy's and Girl's Clubs of America program for public housing.

17. Proposed to eliminate a federal program, designed and successfully used in Seattle, to help communities prepare for natural disasters.

18. Pulled out of the 1997 Kyoto Treaty global warming agreement.

19. Cut $200 million of work force training for dislocated workers.

20. Eliminated funding for the Wetlands Reserve Program, which encourages farmers to maintain wetlands habitat on their property.

21. Cut program to provide childcare to low-income families as they move from welfare to work.

22. Cut a program that provided prescription contraceptive coverage to federal employees (though it still pays for Viagra).

23. Cut $700 million in capital funds for repairs in public housing.

24. Appointed Otto Reich -- an un-indicted high-level Iran Contra figure -- to Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs.

25. Cut the budget of the Environmental Protection Agency by $500 million.

26. Proposed to curtail the ability of groups to sue in order to get an animal placed on the Endangered Species List.

27. Rescinded the rule that mandated increased energy-saving efficiency regulations for central air conditioners and heat pumps.

28. Repealed workplace ergonomic rules designed to improve worker health and safety.

29. Abandoned campaign pledge to regulate carbon dioxide, the waste gas that contributes to global warming.

30. Banned federal aid to international family planning programs that offer abortion counseling with other independent funds.

31. Closed the White House Office for Women's Health Initiatives and Outreach.

32. Nominated David Lauriski -- an ex-mining company executive --- to post of Assistant Secretary of Labor for Mine Safety and Health.

33. Approved a controversial plan by Interior Secretary Gale Norton to auction oil and gas development tracts off the coast of eastern Florida.

34. Announced intention to open up Montana's Lewis and Clark National Forest to oil and drilling.

35. Proposes to re-draw boundaries of nation's monuments, which would technically allow oil and gas drilling outside of national monuments.

36. Gutted the White House AIDS Office.

37. Renegotiated a free trade agreement with Jordan to eliminate workers' rights and safeguards for the environment.

38. Will no longer seek guidance from The American Bar Association in recommendations for the federal judiciary appointments.

39. Appointed recycling foe Lynn Scarlett as Undersecretary of the Interior..

40. Took steps to abolish the White House Council on Environmental Quality.

41. Cut the Community Oriented Policing Services program.

42. Allowed Interior Secretary Gale Norton to shelve citizen-led grizzly bear re-introduction plan scheduled for Idaho and Montana wilderness.

43. Continues to hold up federal funding for stem cell research projects.

44. Makes sure convicted misdemeanor drug users cannot get financial aid for college, though convicted murderers can.

45. Refused to fund continued cleanup of uranium-slag heap in Utah.

46. Refused to fund continued litigation of the government's tobacco company lawsuit.

47. Proposed a $2 trillion tax cut, 43% of which will go to the wealthiest 1 % of Americans.

48. Signed a bill making it harder for poor and middle-class Americans to file for bankruptcy, even in the case of daunting medical bills.

49. Appointed a Vice President quoted as saying, lf you want to do something about carbon dioxide emissions, then you ought to build nuclear power plants (Meet the Press)

50. Appointed Diana Roth to the Council of Economic Advisers. (There is no gender gap in pay, Boston Globe, March 28, 2001.)

51. Appointed Kay Cole James, an opponent of affirmative action, to direct the Office of Personnel Management.

52. Cut $15.7 million earmarked for states to investigate cases of child abuse and neglect.

53. Helped kill a law designed to make it tougher for teenagers to get credit cards.

54. Proposed elimination of the Reading is Fundamental program that gives free books to poor children.

55.1s pushing for development of small nuclear arms to attack deeply buried targets and weapons. This would violate the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty.

56. Proposes to nominate Jeffrey Sutton, the attorney responsible for a recent case weakening the Americans with Disabilities Act, to federal appeals court judgeship.

57. Proposes to reverse regulation protecting 60 million acres of national forest from logging and road building.

58. Eliminated funding for the We the People education program which taught school children about the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and citizenship.

59. Appointed John Bolton, who opposes nonproliferation treaties and the UN, to Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security.

60. Nominated Linda Fisher, an executive with Monsanto, for the number-two job at the Environmental Protection Agency.

61. Nominated Michael McConnell, leading critic of the separation of church and state, to a federal judgeship.

62. Nominated Terrence Boyle, an ardent opponent of civil rights, to a federal judgeship.

63. Canceled 2004 deadline for automakers to develop prototype high mileage cars.

64. Nominated Harvey Pitts, a lawyer for a teen sex video distributor, to head SEC.

65. Nominated John Walters, a strong opponent of prison drug treatment programs, to be Drug Tsar. (Washington Post, May 16, 2001.)

66. Nominated J. Steven Giles, an oil and coal lobbyist, for Deputy Secretary of the Interior.

67. Nominated Bennett Raley, who advocates repealing the Endangered Species Act, for Assistant Secretary for Water and Science

68. Is seeking the dismissal of class-action lawsuit filed in the US against Japan by Asian women forced to work as sex slaves during WWII.

69. Earmarked $4 million in new federal grant money for HIV and drug abuse prevention programs to go only to religious groups and not secular equivalents.

70. Reduced the Low Income Home Assistance Program by 40%; it aided low-income individuals who need assistance paying energy bills.

71. Nominated Ted Olson, who has repeatedly lied about his involvement with the Scaiffe-funded Arkansas Project to bring down Bill Clinton, for Solicitor General.

72. Nominated Terrance Boyle, a foe of civil rights, to a federal judgeship..

73. Proposes to ease permit process, including environmental considerations, for refinery, nuclear and hydroelectric dam construction. (Washington Post, May 18, 2001.)

74. Proposes to give government the authority to take private property through eminent domain for power lines.

75. Proposes that $1.2 billion in funding for alternative renewable energy come from selling oil and gas lease tracts in the Alaska National Wildlife Reserve.

76. Plans on serving genetically engineered foods at all official government functions.

77. Forced out Forest Service chief Mike Dombeck and appointed a timber industry lobbyist.

 
Again you went off in a different direction from your top which the thread is based on. Stick to your own topic. Rich, Poor, Rich getting Richer, Bush making policies to benefit his rich friends and wall street. ... Read the first post again and answer what's for you to bump the thread.

You have plenty of other threads where the points you are making below work. This is not the thread for them


also that most of the billionaires donated to Obama.

Support your claim!
 
The top tax rate used to be 70 percent, it need to go back to pay down the deficit.

The rich use the FG as their personal credit card with the low tax rates that force the government to deficit spend.
 
The rich get richer because they are about money. The average person is about current events and poor people are about gossip. Sounds simple but observe any group in any environment their interest and life stories are basically the same. I noticed that when I was a kid and it has been proven to me over and over again.

If you control the environment you can control everything in it thats why a organized minority controls the un-organized majority in every society or pyramid societies.
 
But Nittie has a point, doesn't he?

The President may never do some things he promised but you appear to be arguing that he should have done everything in one day or one month or one year. I probably don't agree with a lot Nittie says, but I think he's dead-on in saying that you can't compare what one man who has been in office just over a year hasn't done -- with what another man was able to do get done, over the course of eight years.

No?

QueEx



You are absolutely correct QueEx in emphasizing Nitte’s fundamental observations. In today’s vacuous facts-don’t-matter, let’s dump it down” the memory hole” , it appears that except for particle physicists or medical doctors, the past is irrelevant when diagnosing the present .

Below in the blue table box I present (for probably the 4th time) the prima facie evidence of the dying corpse the United States of America was after 8 years of Cheney-bush. Those pesky non-partisan, 'bean counters'; US government civil servant bureaucrats, documented what Bushit left behind after 8 years.

Not once; Not ever, have the Bushit apologists attempted to explain why the documented sordid, despicable Cheney-bush record has NO RELEVANCE, No cause-and-effect connectivity to the present. All you will hear from the Bushit apologists is the talking point- "How long will Obama blame bush?"

Outside of willful ignorance, brain washing and/ or cognitive dissonance, I can find no “reality-based” rationale why suddenly the empirical facts of the past don’t matter.

President Obama and his team were handed the sickest United States of America since Hoover handed off to Roosevelt. No amount of obstructionism, fact-devoid bloviating, or dogmatic intimidation will change the empirical facts of the established record. The 24/7 <s>FOX</s> FAKE News fictional narrative, being blasted nationwide via the RepubliKlan noise machine, is that the 8 years of Cheney-bush, and their dire consequences never happened; down “the memory hole”.

You cannot judge President Obama’s effectiveness in reviving & resuscitating the dying corpse called the United States of America after 14 months. The corporate owned ‘media of mass deception’ propagandist and the 501c3 tax-free Religious Cult hucksters have masterfully used the methodology of Joseph Goebbels to perform a virtual lobotomy on the 90% of Americans who get their news solely from television, turning them into ignorant lemmings.

Educated ‘reality-based’ citizens who believe in facts are derided as ‘Elitist’ who should be ignored. Buffoonery(Palin, Bachmann, Beck) and faith-based idiocy set the daily talking points for the punditocracy to scream at each other about. This is AmeriKKKa 2010.


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Bush was an unmitigated failure for 99% of all U.S. citizens.
1% of U.S. citizens benefited financially in a spectacular fashion.

The autopsy chronicling the bush camarilla’s spectacular failure to better the lives of 99% of U.S. citizens has been completed. Those pesky non-partisan, US government bureaucrats, the same people who are ‘scoring’ the various health reform bills, issued their autopsy on bush.

Most Americans don’t even know about it because the “media of mass distraction” didn’t mention it on television. They were too busy spending day-after-day covering?? – the boy who might have flown away in the balloon.

As far as the 1% who benefited spectacularly, if you don’t know who they are, then you are truly pathetically, lost!!!

Below are the irrefutable facts and inconvenient truths culled from the bush autopsy report.

You can read the original thread I started & a link to the full autopsy report using the link below.

http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=424356

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...Today's report shows that Bush flunked on every relevant dimension</span></b>-and not just because of the severe downturn that began last year.

Consider first the median income. <span style="background: yellow"><b>When Bill Clinton left office after 2000, the median income-the income line around which half of households come in above, and half fall below-stood at $52,500 (measured in inflation-adjusted 2008 dollars).

<font size="4">When Bush left office after 2008, the median income had fallen to $50,303. That's a decline of 4.2 per cent.</b></span></font>

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<font size="4">That leaves Bush with the dubious distinction of becoming the only president in recent history to preside over an income decline through two presidential terms</span></b></font> notes Lawrence Mishel, president of the Economic Policy Institute. <b>

The median household income increased during the two terms of Clinton (by 14 per cent, as we'll see in more detail below), Ronald Reagan (8.1 per cent), and Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford (3.9 per cent).</b> As Mishel notes, although the global recession decidedly deepened the hole-the percentage decline in the median income from 2007 to 2008 is the largest single year fall on record-average families were already worse off in 2007 than they were in 2000, a remarkable result through an entire business expansion. &quot;What is phenomenal about the years under Bush is that through the entire business cycle from 2000 through 2007, even before this recession...working families were worse off at the end of the recovery, in the best of times during that period, than they were in 2000 before he took office,&quot; Mishel says.

<b><span style="background: yellow">Bush's record on poverty is equally bleak.</span></b>
When Clinton left office in 2000, the Census counted almost 31.6 million Americans living in poverty. When Bush left office in 2008, the number of poor Americans had jumped to 39.8 million (the largest number in absolute terms since 1960.)

<b><span style="background: yellow">Under Bush, the number of people in poverty increased by over 8.2 million, or 26.1 per cent. Over two-thirds of that increase occurred before the economic collapse of 2008.</span>

<b><span style="background: yellow">The trends were comparably daunting for children in poverty</span></b>. When Clinton left office nearly 11.6 million children lived in poverty, according to the Census. <b>
<span style="background: yellow">When Bush left office that number had swelled to just under 14.1 million, an increase of more than 21 per cent.</span>
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Normally, I don't engage in debates concerning political issues mostly because they essentially almost always rely of the art of rhetorical argument with the logos component yielding to the more tenable pathos and ethos - as clearly exemplified in this thread and others in this forum that I've browsed.

That being said, on this very rare occasion I do have a few comments:




Do you envy those who have an ability to create a need that people want need and desire? In your world do you want everyone to be the same? Pick a better county. I've sized you up in just two posts. You're in desparate need to be taken cared of. No one owes you anything!!!!

1) The notion that issues amenable to comparative terms require superlatives in order to make sense.

2) Bifurcation.

These are my two most common recurring observation about "right-wingers" or "conservatives", as they're so called, (and i'm assuming that you're one, I might be wrong so please inform) when they're responding to or addressing issues that threaten their fundamental ideologies - like the information presented in the original post.

The question, that I've highlighted in the above quote is jejune and extraneous at best. I'll leave it at that.






For you yes. Because your not where you want to be in life, you cant automatically assume its bad for everyone. So when the economy was booming after 9/11 with record job growth can you point to a single post you made that gave him credit? 50 posts but I've read many political posts over the years. Some excellent and some bad. Logic and facts are absolute period. Just because you have a BA or MA behind your name doesn't mean you have knowledge if that knowledge is based on misinformation. Hell Germany thought Hitler was smart. What does my posts count has to do with anything anyway. God you liberals are easy to offend. Its funny how you have yet to attack my arguments. Now your reduced to attack me instead of my thoughts. Which is one of the reasons I dislike engaging into discourse with some liberals. Emotions!!!!!!!! Where's the substance.

Two comments here:

1) What part of the thread title and post alluded to anything about the Bush administration??
Only two times did the word "Bush" appeared in the post? :confused:

2) For the record, I believe you're the one that started with the personal attacks on the OP. I'm just saying.





Quick question? Liberals like to rant about raising the minimum wage. If your representative comes back to you and say "look what I did I put more money into your pocket". Mc'Donald's then raises the price of the value meal. Now you're back at square one, How has that helped those less fortunate? Also, Mickey D's has to lay off employees due to overhead which nine times out of ten affects our community, but thats another story for another day.

Yet another over simplified bifurcated argument that clumsily suggests some kind of economic homeostasis which adopts McDonald's as a benchmark for minimum wage earning demographic.

This very sloppy argument completely disregards the possibility for elasticity in demand for the product. I'm no economist but digging back in the crates of the Econ 101 elective I took in college, I believe wage increases largely don't effect employment when demand for a product is highly inelastic. The employer would simply transfer that burden to an increase in the price of the product and I'm willing to bet that a quarter pounder with cheese, large fries, coke and two apple pies would be one of those products. Besides, in the case of McDonald's i'd think that any price increase would be quite marginal.

So perhaps you wana re-think that analogy/argument?






Man stick to the freaking topic. Rich, Poor, Bush policies affecting the rich and Obama contrast because I like others, assume your bumping of these old threads is to show that since Obama came in how much more wonderful the lives of the poor has become and how the rich has become less rich and their wealth have been given to the poor or their ability to make their billions got restricted and now everyone is so much more contented.

You have a whole bunch of other threads where you can discuss why people hate Obama

Anyone that thinks the above you suggested is clearly delusional. I don't think the OP falls into that category.

What you've done here is a classic case of what's referred to in Social Psychology as Fundamental Attribution Error which is a form of cognitive bias where one tends to over emphasize the dispositional attributes of the person whose behavior (nature and content of the post in this case) they're analyzing/explaining while under-emphasizing or sometimes even completely ignoring the conditional explanations.








I'll pass on the hint but tell us how you can compare the two terms when there is such a gap in years. While you're at it can you explain how Obama is suppose to undo the Bush tax cut/wealth transfer in just 1 yr.

I'll let the original poster respond (as he has done) to the substantive issues but my point simply was in making a comparison (of whatever there is to compare) it should be done under like circumstances. Surely, you don't disagree with that?

QueEx

Both highly improbable and impractical feats. That one would suggest it is plain silly.





The rich get richer because they are about money. The average person is about current events and poor people are about gossip. Sounds simple but observe any group in any environment their interest and life stories are basically the same. I noticed that when I was a kid and it has been proven to me over and over again.

Another over simplified self-serving biased "analysis" of an issue characteristic of "conservatives".

"The riche get richer because they are about money"

Really? :confused: What an intellectually lethargic and apathetic statement. :smh:

Just curious what category you fall into?


If you control the environment you can control everything in it thats why a organized minority controls the un-organized majority in every society or pyramid societies.

Tautology.
 
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The rich get richer because they are about money. The average person is about current events and poor people are about gossip. Sounds simple but observe any group in any environment their interest and life stories are basically the same. I noticed that when I was a kid and it has been proven to me over and over again.

If you control the environment you can control everything in it thats why a organized minority controls the un-organized majority in every society or pyramid societies.


As an American of African descent with a family history in the United States of at least 250 years, we have be on the ass end of 'being about money' philosophy. Everyone has made money at our expense in this country. Now the those born after the ass kicking Black lack folk received allowing the young Negros to be corporatists say that this was the right path to follow.

Lord help us!


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Not one person has mentioned the 0% interest rate Bernanke is giving the bankers!

The people that are getting richer are the people who have access to the cheap money & credit the Fed is advertising. Quite simply, the people who are benefiting are the individuals who get to use the $$$ first. And the military-indistrial complex makes a lot of dough, along with the banks!

The poor & middle class feel the pain, those on fixed incomes feel the pain. This is something that has been consistent with the Obama & Bush Admins. (It's objective and it cannot be spun) Same monetary policy
 
As an American of African descent with a family history in the United States of at least 250 years, we have be on the ass end of 'being about money' philosophy. Everyone has made money at our expense in this country. Now the those born after the ass kicking Black lack folk received allowing the young Negros to be corporatists say that this was the right path to follow.

Lord help us!


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Remember Madam CJ Walker was the 1st self made female millionaire in America. Chain stores and franchises like Walmart follow her business plan. Also there were several Black millionaires during reconstruction and the Black Wall street era. That changed when our midsets changed because of destabilization campaigns from this govt. What I mean by rich people are about money is just that, money does not come from the govt, colleges, or big business it's mental.
 
Normally, I don't engage in debates concerning political issues mostly because they essentially almost always rely of the art of rhetorical argument with the logos component yielding to the more tenable pathos and ethos - as clearly exemplified in this thread and others in this forum that I've browsed.

That being said, on this very rare occasion I do have a few comments:






1) The notion that issues amenable to comparative terms require superlatives in order to make sense.

2) Bifurcation.

These are my two most common recurring observation about "right-wingers" or "conservatives", as they're so called, (and i'm assuming that you're one, I might be wrong so please inform) when they're responding to or addressing issues that threaten their fundamental ideologies - like the information presented in the original post.

The question, that I've highlighted in the above quote is jejune and extraneous at best. I'll leave it at that.








Two comments here:

1) What part of the thread title and post alluded to anything about the Bush administration??
Only two times did the word "Bush" appeared in the post? :confused:

2) For the record, I believe you're the one that started with the personal attacks on the OP. I'm just saying.







Yet another over simplified bifurcated argument that clumsily suggests some kind of economic homeostasis which adopts McDonald's as a benchmark for minimum wage earning demographic.

This very sloppy argument completely disregards the possibility for elasticity in demand for the product. I'm no economist but digging back in the crates of the Econ 101 elective I took in college, I believe wage increases largely don't effect employment when demand for a product is highly inelastic. The employer would simply transfer that burden to an increase in the price of the product and I'm willing to bet that a quarter pounder with cheese, large fries, coke and two apple pies would be one of those products. Besides, in the case of McDonald's i'd think that any price increase would be quite marginal.

So perhaps you wana re-think that analogy/argument?








Anyone that thinks the above you suggested is clearly delusional. I don't think the OP falls into that category.

What you've done here is a classic case of what's referred to in Social Psychology as Fundamental Attribution Error which is a form of cognitive bias where one tends to over emphasize the dispositional attributes of the person whose behavior (nature and content of the post in this case) they're analyzing/explaining while under-emphasizing or sometimes even completely ignoring the conditional explanations.












Both highly improbable and impractical feats. That one would suggest it is plain silly.







Another over simplified self-serving biased "analysis" of an issue characteristic of "conservatives".

"The riche get richer because they are about money"

Really? :confused: What an intellectually lethargic and apathetic statement. :smh:

Just curious what category you fall into?




Tautology.




I see why you don't engage in debates concerning political issues.
 
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