400,000 People Just Had Their Pensions Cut By 50% “Going to Happen To The Rest Of Pensions in the Us

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In 2014 a new Federal law made it possible for pension funds to cut benefits for their recipients. Much to the protest of pensioners, the government and numerous unions supporting the change cited pension plans that were in imminent danger of collapse, saying that the only way to save the funds was to cut benefits to potentially millions of recipients. Six months later, the U.S. Supreme Court took things a step further when they opined that the government has the right to fully seize 401(k) and pension funds that were being poorly managed.

Of course, most Americans were either not paying attention or completely ignored the ramifications of the new rules set forth by their government because, well, anyone who talks about the potential for a collapse of pension funds or the economy is, as President Barack Obama so eloquently noted in his recent State of the Union Speech, “peddling fiction.”


Except in October of last year the canary in the coal mine fell over and died when Illinois announced that the State was postponing pension payments because it ran out of money.

Fast forward a few more months and things have been taken to the next level. The Central State pension fund in Kansas became the first such fund to take advantage of the 2014 law as 400,000 Americans who depend on their monthly pension income to pay for such things as their mortgage, groceries and medical expenses saw an average of $1,400 per month sliced of their monthly benefits.

Dale Dorsey isn’t happy.

After working 33 years, he’s facing a 55% cut to his pension benefits, a blow which he says will “cripple” his family and imperil the livelihood of his two children, one of whom is in the fourth grade and one of whom is just entering high school.

Dorsey attended a town hall meeting in Kansas City on Tuesday where retirees turned out for a discussion on “massive” pension cuts proposed by the Central States Pension Fund, which covers 400,000 participants, and which will almost certainly go broke within the next decade.

“A controversial 2014 law allowed the pension to propose [deep] cuts, many of them by half or more, as a way to perhaps save the fund,” The Kansas City Star wrote earlier this week adding that “two much smaller pensions also have sought similar relief under the law, and still more pensions are significantly underfunded.”

And if you think this is the end of it, consider the words of long time teamster member Jay Perry who says the writing is on the wall:

What’s happening to us is a microcosm of what’s going to happen to the rest of the pensions in the United States.

It was all fun and games during the boom times when governments and companies promised pensioners exorbitant retirements based on an unlimited growth rate model. Now reality is setting in.

And keep in mind that this is just the first part of the coming retirement fund destruction. As we noted above, the Supreme Court ruling gives the government the “right” to step in and seize these underperforming funds
 
the teamsters union retirees is going to same thing as we speak...this kind of b-s is hurtfull to those that hav work for so many years....
 
Our entire economic structure is a big game of 3 card molly

Three card "Monty" but your point is taken.

I was an international trade finance officer at what is now BofA some time ago. My constitution wouldn't allow for me to play along... It's really built on nothing and it's fine just as long as a high enough % just play along.
 
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these fuckin assholes keep putting these republicans in office, they dont give a fuck about the working class.

they all about the super rich and corporations, but yet, assholes still vote these goppers in..

and all they do is steal the money and split it amongst themselves...

dumbasses always voting against thier best interest...
 
these fuckin assholes keep putting these republicans in office, they dont give a fuck about the working class.

they all about the super rich and corporations, but yet, assholes still vote these goppers in..

and all they do is steal the money and split it amongst themselves...

dumbasses always voting against thier best interest...


YOU SHORTSIGHTED BASTAID. ITS BOTH DEMS AND REPUBS THAT DO DUMB STUFF. YOUR PROUD STUPIDITY KNOWS NO BOUNDS. YOU OLD CNN TALKING POINT BITCH.
 
And shit like this is why you dumb asses in here that say if Hillary wins you won't vote are useless assholes. Cause this is the type of shit that gets passed cause people got mad and didn't vote in midterm elections.

This looks like one of those 11:59 p.m. bills.
 
And shit like this is why you dumb asses in here that say if Hillary wins you won't vote are useless assholes. Cause this is the type of shit that gets passed cause people got mad and didn't vote in midterm elections.

Some of our people ALWAYS look for an excuse to not vote. Stuff like this is why this election is more important than the last 2 elections.

You've got republicans in charge of both houses, republicans swearing not to honor any judge Obama presents to replace the now deceased Scalia (a violation of the constitution). Plus the Supreme Court is republican favored.
 
After the changes were made it sounds like they're were running a ponzi scheme with past employees money.

"Fast forward a few more months and things have been taken to the next level. The Central State pension fund in Kansas became the first such fund to take advantage of the 2014 law as 400,000 Americans who depend on their monthly pension income to pay for such things as their mortgage, groceries and medical expenses saw anaverage of $1,400 per month sliced of their monthly benefits.''

:smh:
 
these fuckin assholes keep putting these republicans in office, they dont give a fuck about the working class.

they all about the super rich and corporations, but yet, assholes still vote these goppers in..

and all they do is steal the money and split it amongst themselves...

dumbasses always voting against thier best interest...
White Supremacy "trumps" everything in the minds of CaCs - no matter how poor & unfortunate.
 
White Supremacy "trumps" everything in the minds of CaCs - no matter how poor & unfortunate.


untill it comes back to bite them in thier pale pink ass, then they want to blame

everyone but themselves... they put bush jr in office, him and his administration stole zillions

of dollars.. and bush siphoned his money to texas...

nobody question while the nation was in turmoil fuckin texas was bubblin...

everybody was moving out there for a minute.. austin texas was the place to fuckin be...

now these cacs want to act like they aint had nothing to do with bush raiding the white house and the nation twice.

with his coke head self...
 
That's how the addict cycle works. And it won't end until this system is completely shut down.

the funny shit is, if the system shuts down they think its going to be hell for everybody..

such bullshit, only hell for the people thats been orchestrating and pimping the living shit out of it..

for the rest of the masses it would be a chance to do things the right way, without having to sell our souls for it.
 
uhm pensions been gone.....thats why you have 401ks tsp....etc...if youre trying to depend on a pension soley to retire youre doing it worng...PERIOD....pensioners are living much longer you cant support a system if an industry is declining period..its like a pyramid scheme it will cease to exist once you cannot find enough new members to contribute to the scheme...the same will go for soc sec
 
the funny shit is, if the system shuts down they think its going to be hell for everybody..

such bullshit, only hell for the people thats been orchestrating and pimping the living shit out of it..

for the rest of the masses it would be a chance to do things the right way, without having to sell our souls for it.
Scripture.
 
And shit like this is why you dumb asses in here that say if Hillary wins you won't vote are useless assholes. Cause this is the type of shit that gets passed cause people got mad and didn't vote in midterm elections.

Yep. Republican governors being voted in and busting up unions.
And the Supreme Court was about to deliver a big blow to Unions before Scalia died.
**You ignorant people saying you aren't voting because it will not change your life need to stop breeding. You will just pass your ignorant ways on to your kids**


Supreme Court Seems Poised to Deal Unions a Major Setback
By ADAM LIPTAKJAN. 11, 2016

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Demonstrators supporting Rebecca Friedrichs, a plaintiff in the case, outside the Supreme Court on Monday. The justices appeared critical of public unions’ right to collect fees from nonmembers.CreditZach Gibson/The New York Times
  • WASHINGTON — The Supreme Courtseemed poised on Monday to deliver a severe blow to organized labor.
In a closely watched case brought by 10 California teachers, the court’s conservative majority seemed ready to say that forcing public workers to support unions they have declined to join violates the First Amendment.

A ruling in the teachers’ favor would affect millions of government workers and culminate a political and legal campaign by a group of prominent conservative foundations aimed at weakening public-sector unions. Those unions stand to lose fees from both workers who object to the positions the unions take and those who simply choose not to join while benefiting from the unions’ efforts on their behalf.

Under California law, public employees who choose not to join unions must pay a “fair share service fee,” also known as an “agency fee,” typically equivalent to members’ dues. The fees, the law says, are meant to pay for collective bargaining activities, including “the cost of lobbying activities.” More than 20 states have similar laws.

Government workers who are not members of unions have long been able to obtain refunds for the political activities of unions like campaign spending. Monday’s case, Friedrichs v. California Teachers Association, No. 14-915, asks whether such workers must continue to pay for any union activities, including negotiating for better wages and benefits. A majority of the justices seemed inclined to say no.

Collective bargaining, Justice Anthony M. Kennedy said, is inherently political when the government is the employer. “Many critical points are matters of public concern,” he said, mentioning issues like tenure, merit pay, promotions and classroom size.

The best hope for a victory for the unions had rested with Justice Antonin Scalia, who has written and said things sympathetic to their position. But he was consistently hostile on Monday.

”The problem is that everything that is collectively bargained with the government is within the political sphere, almost by definition,” he said.

The court’s four liberal members were on the defensive, asking whether there was good reason to overturn a 1977 decision by the court that allowed the fees.

“You start overruling things,” Justice Stephen G. Breyer said. “What happens to the country thinking of us as a kind of stability in a world that is tough because it changes a lot?”

Justice Elena Kagan focused on the practical consequences of a decision in favor of the challengers.

“This is a case in which there are tens of thousands of contracts with these provisions,” she said. “Those contracts affect millions of employees, maybe as high as 10 million employees.”

Michael A. Carvin, the lawyer for the teachers, emphasized what he said was the limited nature of the case. It was not, he said, an attack on the union’s exclusive representation of all workers. A decision in his clients’ favor, he added, would not affect private employers, who are not subject to the First Amendment.

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg asked whether workers “who paid these fees against their will” were entitled to refunds.

Mr. Carvin answered that “all we’re asking is for prospective relief.”

The fact that so much attention was devoted to the aftermath of a decision favoring the challengers suggested that at least some members of the court viewed it as a foregone conclusion.

Unions say the teachers’ First Amendment argument is a ruse. Nonmembers are already entitled to refunds of payments spent on political activities like advertising to support a political candidate. Collective bargaining is different, the unions say, adding that the plaintiffs are seeking to reap the benefits of such bargaining without paying their fair share of the cost.

The larger threat, the unions and their supporters say, is that a decision in the plaintiffs’ favor would encourage many workers who are perfectly happy with the work of their unions to make the economically rational decision to opt out of paying for it.

Edward C. DuMont, California’s solicitor general, arguing in support of the union, did not dispute that collective bargaining involved political issues that implicate workers’ First Amendment rights.

“There are deep public policy implications to many of the topics and to the general tenor of public employee bargaining,” he said.

But he said the government’s interests outweighed those rights. “We need to be able to run our workplaces,” he said.

Mr. DuMont added that workers remained free to speak out in other settings.
 
Welfare cuts coming next. Little do they know.....its gonna hurt more white families than black ones.

the last President to cosign the destruction of welfare, that what the husband of the women whom everyone says is sooo electable. Fuck that shit

And shit like this is why you dumb asses in here that say if Hillary wins you won't vote are useless assholes. Cause this is the type of shit that gets passed cause people got mad and didn't vote in midterm elections.


"In 2014 a new Federal law"....who the fuck is the president again??? and he is supposed to be a centrist. Hillary is more conservative than Obama and y'all want motherfuckers to champion her?

stop that bullshit. If people want to change shit like this, guess who is the side of the worker...and it sure ain't Hillary Clinton. Fucking fight the fuck back and vote for someone else. SHIT. Just because she will bleed the wound slower, does not mean she won't do the same shit Obama has done, which is sit the fuck back and sell out US workers. Why was this law not vetoed?? Hell why didn't Obama recess a SC judge asap, before the 22nd so the Union case could be decided 5-4 liberal. Yeah the appointed judge may be removed at the end of the term, but a lot of these cases could have been adjudicated NOW. Especially the one in North Carolina on redistricting.

midterms, folks went the fuck to sleep. No doubt
 
Come on now, anyone who has every taken some interest in their retirement knows not to depend on a pension as your only retirement option. People never think about the future and think everything will magically work out in the future
 
uhm pensions been gone.....thats why you have 401ks tsp....etc...if youre trying to depend on a pension soley to retire youre doing it worng...PERIOD....pensioners are living much longer you cant support a system if an industry is declining period..its like a pyramid scheme it will cease to exist once you cannot find enough new members to contribute to the scheme...the same will go for soc sec
Pensions still exist some companies possibly switched over to 401k but pensions still exist.
 
uhm pensions been gone.....thats why you have 401ks tsp....etc...if youre trying to depend on a pension soley to retire youre doing it worng...PERIOD....pensioners are living much longer you cant support a system if an industry is declining period..its like a pyramid scheme it will cease to exist once you cannot find enough new members to contribute to the scheme...the same will go for soc sec
401k plans are not retirement plans. They are supplements to a retirements plan.
 
401k plans are not retirement plans. They are supplements to a retirements plan.
If you can max your 401k yearly limit throughout your work life that will be more than enough to cover your retirement.
 
This loser melimarc is right on time. You still cannot see what it says. It keeps coming back sadly she, he etc is still around.
 
How's everyone doing with their finances presently?

How many more years / decades to go until retirement age?

Money properly diversified across various platforms / portfolio itself?
 
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