1619 Project vs 1776 Commision

[geechiedan]

WASHINGTON, D.C. – President Donald Trump said Thursday that he will soon sign an executive order that will establish a commission to promote "patriotic education" in schools. He said it will be called the “1776 Commission,” named after the year the United States was founded.

“It will encourage our educators to teach our children about the miracle of American history and make plans to honor the 250th anniversary of our founding,” said Trump during a speech at the National Archive Museum on Constitution Day.

Trump also announced that the National Endowment for the Humanities has awarded a grant to support the development of pro-American curriculum that he says celebrates the truth about the nation’s history.

“The only path to national unity is through our shared identity as Americans,” said Trump. “That is why it is so urgent that we restore patriotic education to our schools.”

During his speech, Trump took aim, again, at The 1619 Project, an initiative developed by The New York Times Magazine in 2019. The project “aims to reframe the country’s history by placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of Black Americans at the very center of our national narrative.”

Trump claims The 1619 Project distorts American History and he blames Democrats.

“The left has warped, distorted and defiled the American story with deceptions, falsehoods and lies. There is no better example that The New York Times’ totally discredited 1619 Project,” said Trump. “This project rewrites American history to teach our children that we were founded on the principle of oppression, not freedom. Nothing could be further from the truth.”

In the past, Trump has threatened to cut funding to public schools that implement The 1619 Project into their curriculum.

At the end of his speech, Trump signed a Constitution Day proclamation.

“Our youth will be taught to love America with all of their heart and all of their soul. We will save this cherished inheritance for our children, for their children and for every generation to come.”

 

[geechiedan]

'1776 Unites' releases Black history curriculum to counter New York Times' 1619 Project

1776 Unites, a group that says it wants to "shape the American future by drawing on the best of its past," released its first curriculum program this week in part to counter the New York Times' 1619 Project.

The curriculum, developed by civil rights leader Bob Woodson and American Enterprise Institute scholar Ian Rowe, offers lesson plans, activities, reading guides and other resources to illustrate what 1776 Unites calls a "more complete and inspiring story of the history of African-Americans in the United States."

"1776 Unites maintains a special focus on stories that celebrate black excellence, reject victimhood culture, and showcase African-Americans who have prospered by embracing America’s founding ideals," the group writes of the new curriculum.

The New York Times Magazine launched the 1619 Project last year on the 400th anniversary of the beginning of slavery in America. It aims to "reframe the country’s history by placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of our national narrative."

The 1619 Project received substantial praise. The director of the project, Nikole Hanna-Jones, won the Pulitzer Prize for her introductory essay.

"Without the idealistic, strenuous and patriotic efforts of black Americans, our democracy today would most likely look very different — it might not be a democracy at all," Hanna-Jones wrote.

But it also has received criticism. A group of historians led by Princeton professor Sean Wilentz wrote a letter to the New York Times that cites multiple factual errors in the project.

"On the American Revolution, pivotal to any account of our history, the project asserts that the founders declared the colonies’ independence of Britain 'in order to ensure slavery would continue.' This is not true," said the letter, which the Times published in December 2019.

In March of this year, Northwestern University professor Leslie Harris wrote in Politico that she "vigorously argued against" Hanna-Jones' claim that "patriots fought the American Revolution in large part to preserve slavery in North America."

 

[geechiedan]

Noo one has any thoughts or opinions on what is essentially a battle to place American history and blacks place it in a proper context or sugarcoat how the real shit went down?

This is going to what goes in history books and how future generations will be taught about American history

 

[code_pirahna]

Noo one has any thoughts or opinions on what is essentially a battle to place American history and blacks place it in a proper context or sugarcoat how the real shit went down?

This is going to what goes in history books and how future generations will be taught about American history

Trump doing this 1776 bullshit is the same as when racist white folks say "But slavery was such a long time ago."

 

[rude_dog]

I find it incredible that a man who didn’t know who the “good guys” were during WW1 nor the significance of Pearl Harbor would say shit about history.

 

[geechiedan]

Trump doing this 1776 bullshit is the same as when racist white folks say "But slavery was such a long time ago."

Why is it whenever any Black people come up with something white people have to come up with some sort of lame ass counter to it? And it's NEVER something sincere? It's always a cynical mirror response. Black Lives Matter....all lives matter. 1619 Project....1776 Commission. African American....now I see some whites are calling themselves European American. No idea why Blacks do these things... nor do they care... just hey Blacks are doing something we're offended by so let's cry about it and do some deflectory kind of bullshit in response.

 

[November 17]

By no means am I condoing or justifying the decision by the Trump administration to cut funding to schools that include the 1619 project. But, I have come to realize that they refrained from teaching me a lot of information that would probably be provided in the 1619 project when I attended public school (I believe many of us learned this information outside of K to 12 public school setting). It may be a difficult task for some, but it's incumbent that we educate our children to dispell the miseducation they will receive from the curriculum of 1776 commission and projects similar to it.

 

[xfactor]

Why is it whenever any Black people come up with something white people have to come up with some sort of lame ass counter to it? And it's NEVER something sincere? It's always a cynical mirror response. Black Lives Matter....all lives matter. 1619 Project....1776 Commission. African American....now I see some whites are calling themselves European American. No idea why Blacks do these things... nor do they care... just hey Blacks are doing something we're offended by so let's cry about it and do some deflectory kind of bullshit in response.

No so-called black person came up with any of those things you named without influence and/or funding from a so-called white person, specifically an Ashkenazi/Khazar. The history taught has always been wrong.

you think the cave man is going to teach facts to the masses? Teach the masses that the Neanderthals had no culture or language until they were saved and civilized by so-called black Africans? Then became slaves to so-called blacks? You pro-whites really put a lot of faith in them

 

[geechiedan]

 

[November 17]

Why is it whenever any Black people come up with something white people have to come up with some sort of lame ass counter to it? And it's NEVER something sincere? It's always a cynical mirror response. Black Lives Matter....all lives matter. 1619 Project....1776 Commission. African American....now I see some whites are calling themselves European American. No idea why Blacks do these things... nor do they care... just hey Blacks are doing something we're offended by so let's cry about it and do some deflectory kind of bullshit in response.

I was thinking the same thing about the cynical mirror. I always attribute it to fear of black people being successful, and the concern that blacks will seek revenge for past and present atrocities being perpetrated against them (notice how Trump tries to appeal to his white supremists base through fear).

 

[geechiedan]

The Fight Over the 1619 Project Is Not About the Facts


“They had not seen this type of demand for a print product of The New York Times, they said, since 2008, when people wanted copies of Obama's historic presidency edition,” Hannah-Jones told me. “I know when I talk to people, they have said that they feel like they are understanding the architecture of their country in a way that they had not.”

U.S. history is often taught and popularly understood through the eyes of its great men, who are seen as either heroic or tragic figures in a global struggle for human freedom. The 1619 Project, named for the date of the first arrival of Africans on American soil, sought to place “the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of our national narrative.” Viewed from the perspective of those historically denied the rights enumerated in America’s founding documents, the story of the country’s great men necessarily looks very different.

The reaction to the project was not universally enthusiastic. Several weeks ago, the Princeton historian Sean Wilentz, who had criticized the 1619 Project’s “cynicism” in a lecture in November, began quietly circulating a letter objecting to the project, and some of Hannah-Jones’s work in particular. The letter acquired four signatories—James McPherson, Gordon Wood, Victoria Bynum, and James Oakes, all leading scholars in their field. They sent their letter to three top Times editors and the publisher, A. G. Sulzberger, on December 4. A version of that letter was published on Friday, along with a detailed rebuttal from Jake Silverstein, the editor of the Times Magazine.

The letter sent to the Times says, “We applaud all efforts to address the foundational centrality of slavery and racism to our history,” but then veers into harsh criticism of the 1619 Project. The letter refers to “matters of verifiable fact” that “cannot be described as interpretation or ‘framing’” and says the project reflected “a displacement of historical understanding by ideology.” Wilentz and his fellow signatories didn’t just dispute the Times Magazine’s interpretation of past events, but demanded corrections.


In the age of social-media invective, a strongly worded letter might not seem particularly significant. But given the stature of the historians involved, the letter is a serious challenge to the credibility of the 1619 Project, which has drawn its share not just of admirers but also critics.

Nevertheless, some historians who declined to sign the letter wondered whether the letter was intended less to resolve factual disputes than to discredit laymen who had challenged an interpretation of American national identity that is cherished by liberals and conservatives alike.

“I think had any of the scholars who signed the letter contacted me or contacted the Times with concerns [before sending the letter], we would've taken those concerns very seriously,” Hannah-Jones said. “And instead there was kind of a campaign to kind of get people to sign on to a letter that was attempting really to discredit the entire project without having had a conversation.”

Underlying each of the disagreements in the letter is not just a matter of historical fact but a conflict about whether Americans, from the Founders to the present day, are committed to the ideals they claim to revere. And while some of the critiques can be answered with historical fact, others are questions of interpretation grounded in perspective and experience.

The Fight Over the 1619 Project Is Not About the Facts

A dispute between a small group of scholars and the authors of The New York Times Magazine’s issue on slavery represents a fundamental disagreement over the trajectory of American society.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[cheyisrameyah]

Ive given up on trying to appeal to the majority of white peoples humanity. Everytime they fight to rewrite history, the effects that the sins of the past have caused only become more evident.

This effort shouldn't amount to much but if he wins re-election, expect this bs to become part of the curriculum. That would also make being involved in our children's education even more important.

It doesn't surprise me in the least that America as a whole is still unwilling to acknowledge the effects that slavery has had on black people. The issue is that they aren't just satisfied with rewriting history and ignoring the ugly truths. They also want to ensure that the true history is not easily accessible to young minds.

Deep down they know the effects and they know that there is recompense owed for their barbarous acts.

 

[geechiedan]

No so-called black person came up with any of those things you named without influence and/or funding from a so-called white person, specifically an Ashkenazi/Khazar. The history taught has always been wrong.

you think the cave man is going to teach facts to the masses? Teach the masses that the Neanderthals had no culture or language until they were saved and civilized by so-called black Africans? Then became slaves to so-called blacks? You pro-whites really put a lot of faith in them

what the fuck are you talking about?

 

[rude_dog]

Trump is an idiot. Let me begin with that. He's a fucking retard who should be locked in room where he can't harm himself or others. He has no ideal about any of this shit but knows it appeals to racists.

People are conflating two separate issues. For historians, the issue isn't with the 1619 Project, it's with what Nikole Hannah-Jones wrote in the introductory essay. One thing in particular, was that the colonies went to war with England over slavery. Most historians do not believe that. There is no evidence that the English were pushing the colonies to end slavery. It may have been an issue for some in the colonies but not one of the major ones. You have a problem when Gordon Wood and James McPherson disagree with you. I will say one thing, they found more British Loyalists in the south than the North, particularly among the planter class.

It's not uncommon for historians to hate when journalist venture into their field. Historians will bring up immediately that someone like Shelby Foote is not a historian.

The conservatives don't want people to know what really happened in this country. They want people to see black people in distress and believe that's just the natural order of things. They don't want people to know the circumstances that caused it. White people are so envious of black people physically and stylistically, they can't bring themselves to think of us as their intellectuals equals too.

 

[Keepthapeace]

Trump is an idiot. Let me begin with that. He's a fucking retard who should be locked in room where he can't harm himself or others. He has no ideal about any of this shit but knows it appeals to racists.

People are conflating two separate issues. For historians, the issue isn't with the 1619 Project, it's with what Nikole Hannah-Jones wrote in the introductory essay. One thing in particular, was that the colonies went to war with England over slavery. Most historians do not believe that. There is no evidence that the English were pushing the colonies to end slavery. It may have been an issue for some in the colonies but not one of the major ones. You have a problem when Gordon Wood and James McPherson disagree with you. I will say one thing, they found more British Loyalists in the south than the North, particularly among the planter class.

It's not uncommon for historians to hate when journalist venture into their field. Historians will bring up immediately that someone like Shelby Foote is not a historian.

The conservatives don't want people to know what really happened in this country. They want people to see black people in distress and believe that's just the natural order of things. They don't want people to know the circumstances that caused it. White people are so envious of black people physically and stylistically, they can't bring themselves to think of us as their intellectuals equals too.

You nailed it Fam. That whole 1619 Project piece should be required learning for everyone. And I'd add if we can get out of this crazy 2020 cursed matrix... Biden needs to sign an executive order on day one to add a curriculum to teach all kids not to be like the biggest piece of shyt and dumb ass in the history of world leaders and how education and common sense are very important for our future so their generation is not as dumb and easily fooled and/or racist as our generation to put such a magnificent failure of a person in this kind of power to kill and divide so many in a country with so much potential.

 

[geechiedan]

You nailed it Fam. That whole 1619 Project piece should be required learning for everyone. And I'd add if we can get out of this crazy 2020 cursed matrix... Biden needs to sign an executive order on day one to add a curriculum to teach all kids not to be like the biggest piece of shyt and dumb ass in the history of world leaders and how education and common sense are very important for our future so their generation is not as dumb and easily fooled and/or racist as our generation to put such a magnificent failure of a person in this kind of power to kill and divide some many in a country with so much potential.

dude the ONLY way the 1619 Project even has a chance at all is if trump is defeated yet assholes in this country and board..BLACK PEOPLE believes sitting out the election is the best way to go....fucking assholes.

 

[rude_dog]

You nailed it Fam. That whole 1619 Project piece should be required learning for everyone. And I'd add if we can get out of this crazy 2020 cursed matrix... Biden needs to sign an executive order on day one to add a curriculum to teach all kids not to be like the biggest piece of shyt and dumb ass in the history of world leaders and how education and common sense are very important for our future so their generation is not as dumb and easily fooled and/or racist as our generation to put such a magnificent failure of a person in this kind of power to kill and divide so many in a country with so much potential.

Thank you,

 

[geechiedan]

 

[crossovernegro]

Voting doesn't matter....

 

[geechiedan]

 

[mangobob79]

Noo one has any thoughts or opinions on what is essentially a battle to place American history and blacks place it in a proper context or sugarcoat how the real shit went down?

This is going to what goes in history books and how future generations will be taught about American history

we all saw this coming, its both sides n no vote and we can stand another4 of trump ! there u have it

 

[Dr. Truth]

Both sides!!!! They are the same , what about the Crime bill?!?!?

 

[code_pirahna]

And dumbasses think their vote doesnt matter meanwhile Trump will be indoctrinating your kids with pro America 1776 bullshit

 

[MistaPhantastic]

And dumbasses think their vote doesnt matter meanwhile Trump will be indoctrinating your kids with pro America 1776 bullshit

Solution: step up as a parent and monitor what your children are learning. Take an interest. Education starts at home. Teach your children that not everything they learn in schools will be correct from DAY 1.
No excuses. None of that "I don't haver time" shit. You make time for what's important to you.

 

[geechiedan]

McWhorter annoys the crap out of me with his "I agree with you and you're right but lets not do this anyway becuz essentially the American people are too obtuse to pick up on the finer details of American history and its effects on today". oh and I'll harp on the 1776 war basis issue in the 1619 project as its NOT something that can be modified.

 

[rude_dog]

McWhorter annoys the crap out of me with his "I agree with you and you're right but lets not do this anyway becuz essentially the American people are too obtuse to pick up on the finer details of American history and its effects on today". oh and I'll harp on the 1776 war basis issue in the 1619 project as its NOT something that can be modified.

I can't get through that. I just can't listen to Glenn Loury. He absolutely disgusts me. McWhorter can annoy me too but sometimes he makes good points. Loury is just a coon. I feel like as soon as he gets done, he turns to the nearest white person and says "I's done good Boss?"

 

[crossovernegro]

While that is true, it's not a solution for the country at large, or even black families at large, because most adults, even black adults don't know enough about it all. Ask any 10 adults to explain what the Dred Scott decision meant and you're gonna get a puzzled look from probably 6 or 7 of them. Not knocking what you said, but the school part is real important so the next generation of adults actually learns it (by high school, kids should be learning history college style...less emphasis on dates and more on the actual shit) and can pass it on. ...and of course grown ups should read up.

Solution: step up as a parent and monitor what your children are learning. Take an interest. Education starts at home. Teach your children that not everything they learn in schools will be correct from DAY 1.
No excuses. None of that "I don't haver time" shit. You make time for what's important to you.

 

[geechiedan]

Solution: step up as a parent and monitor what your children are learning. Take an interest. Education starts at home. Teach your children that not everything they learn in schools will be correct from DAY 1.
No excuses. None of that "I don't haver time" shit. You make time for what's important to you.

While that is true, it's not a solution for the country at large, or even black families at large, because most adults, even black adults don't know enough about it all. Ask any 10 adults to explain what the Dred Scott decision meant and you're gonna get a puzzled look from probably 6 or 7 of them. Not knocking what you said, but the school part is real important so the next generation of adults actually learns it (by high school, kids should be learning history college style...less emphasis on dates and more on the actual shit) and can pass it on. ...and of course grown ups should read up.

@crossovernegro you articulated that perfectly because the other way seems like its conceding something that we shouldn't be.

The 1619 Project may not be perfect but then history as its told and taught already isn't perfect. It's from a specific narrative and that narrative is white and eurocentric. TODAY it needs to be reexamined because today we have more perspectives that should be considered. This country and society has done and is doing MANY horrible things but if there's one positive that every American citizen should be proud of is that we have the capacity to change the way it is. If NOTHING else Nikole Hannah-Jones should be commended for pushing the issue into the national spotlight no matter how it ends.

 

[geechiedan]

 

[Politic Negro]

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[Dr. Truth]

Kamala aint Black