15 Ways To Reboot Batman After TDKR

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Ditch the origin

Pros: Everyone who buys a ticket to a Batman film already knows Batman’s origin story.

In fact, it’s such a well-known part of pop culture that Tim Burton’s Batman deliberately subverted it, with Burton opening his first film with a family lost in Gotham that first-time viewers would have totally assumed to be the big-screen version of the Waynes, before going in a completely different direction.

Every rendition of Batman – from the comics, to the animated series, to two movie versions – has covered the Dark Knight’s origin story, and Nolan’s version is arguably the best of all of them.

How refreshing would it be to go into a new Batman franchise and not have to sit through another shot of pearls hitting the concrete?

We could join our hero halfway through his career, with all the rules and tropes we know so well already established.

And it would satisfy all the fanboys and fangirls currently complaining that it’s too soon for a Spider-Man reboot. There’s only so many ways you can make an origin feel fresh – the further away from it you move, the more unhappy fans will be. The closer you stick to it, the more bored they’ll be.


Cons: We can’t think of many for this one – except perhaps there’ll be some unhappy boyfriends / girlfriends / parents who have been dragged along to see the film without knowing Bats' back-story.

But hopefully there’ll be enough time between when the first trailer lands and the general release date to give these people comics / Blu-ray boxsets of Batman and Batman Begins or introduce them to the Internet.


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Keep it grounded

Pros: Weirdly, the Batman films seem to have accidentally paralleled the comic-book evolution of the character.

First, the ‘40s-influenced Gotham noir of Burton’s Batman, to which he introduced ‘50s Golden Age elements in follow-up Batman Returns (most notably, Catwoman).

Next came the ‘60s Silver Age mania of Schumacher’s Batman Forever / Batman & Robin (characters introduced in the far sillier Silver Age include Bat-Girl and Poison Ivy, with The Riddler making a return to the comics after a long absence).

Which takes us up to Nolan’s ‘70s and ‘80s influenced double of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight (the comic went darker and more crime-focused, Lucius Fox, Ras Al Ghul, Henri Ducard and Batman: Year One all appeared during these decades).

From what we’ve seen, The Dark Knight Rises contains several key elements of the ‘90s incarnation of the series – with Bane, Knightfall and possibly even the No Man’s Land story-arc all look set to be referenced.

Which means that, in the next instalment of the movie version of the mythos, we’re due a ‘00s take.

So forget returning to the lunacy of Schumacher’s era, the post-Rises reboot will be staying focused on the real-world crime elements already established by Nolan’s universe, and building on them – bringing them closer to home.

Arcs up for grabs include Bruce Wayne: Murderer – which would work as a courtroom drama on the big screen, with Bruce framed for murder, and Batman having to prove his innocence – and the iconic Hush series (though possibly that would be best saved for later down the line in the reboot franchise, considering the fact it involves so many of Batman’s rogues gallery).

Cons: By sticking so closely to Nolan’s methodology, future directors would have to suffer from being constantly compared to the auteur’s near-perfect vision. It would take a strong character to maintain their own voice in the din of fan-whinging.

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Maintain real-world villains

Pros: Don’t worry, this feature isn’t going to be 15 pages of ‘Just copy Nolan’ we’ll be veering off that path shortly.

But there’s another element of Christopher Nolan’s continuity that simply has to be maintained in order for the Batman reboot to succeed.

Forget seeing the big-screen debut of Clayface, or the gritty update of Mr Freeze – the next Bat-villain has to be as believable as Heath Ledger’s Joker, as convincing as Cillian Murphy’s Scarecrow, or as retooled as Tom Hardy’s Bane.

Possibilities include new versions of Penguin (we’d still like to see our dream of Philip Seymour Hoffman wielding a machine-gun umbrella realised) and Riddler (though not as a Jigsaw-style sociopath, please) – but we’d prefer to see brand-new (to the silver screen) villains.

The Black Mask, Hugo Strange, even Killer Croc (though he’ll need to get his name from scarring, as opposed to mutant atavism) have potential for a place in a realistic Batman universe.

And our favourite out of that lot? Strange, for reasons we’ve explained in the past.

Batman’s best villains work as psychological metaphors (schizophrenia for Two-Face, psychopathy for Joker, obsessive-compulsive disorder for Riddler) with close connections to Batman's own mania. Which means that grander the scale, the lesser the impact.

But whatever happens, if DC seeks to mimic the success of The Avengers by pitching Batman against a universe-endangering alien threat, it would be a massive mistake.


Cons: Once again, the curse of following Nolan rears its clown-painted face: how on earth do you compete with his ingenious takes on such classic creations?

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Introduce Leslie Thompkins

Pros: Leslie Thompkins plays a significant role in the history / character of Batman, but she’s yet to be brought before big screen audiences.

Thompkins has two subtly different origins – in one version of continuity, she was the care worker who first comforted young Bruce after his parents’ death (which Nolan retooled to be a young Commissioner Gordon, in one of his many elegant plot-shifts) in another, she helped raise Bruce, providing a maternal counterpoint to Alfred’s father figure presence.

In both versions, she shares Thomas Wayne’s philanthropic vision of Gotham City – running a clinic for criminals and drug addicts, out of the notorious Crime Alley.

In the classic There Is No Hope In Crime Alley, we learn that Thompkins was inspired to open the clinic by bearing witness to the murder of Bruce Wayne’s parents; she wanted to ensure that such a tragedy would never take place again – going by slightly different methodology to Batman.

Because of this, Batman visits Thompkins on the same night every year, to remind himself of what he’s fighting for.

If you haven’t read it, seek it out – it’s a beautiful comic. And one that could provide a key character for any future Batman franchise.

One of the few criticisms of Nolan’s Batman films is he hasn’t created many strong female characters (Catwoman looks to be the exception that proves the rule), Leslie Thompkins would definitely solve that – she’s a tough old bird.

Leslie would also allow the person following in Nolan’s footsteps to hold-off on the introduction of a new Commissioner Gordon.

Just as it’s going to be difficult to introduce a new Joker following Heath Ledger’s stunning performance, it’s going to be very hard to imagine anyone other than Gary Oldman as Jim Gordon – he’s been stunning in a very underrated role.

Thompkins could perform a very similar narrative function – being Batman’s key crime contact in the reboot story structure.


Cons: Casting will be key for Leslie to work – and mainstream Hollywood isn’t exactly bursting with roles for pension-age actresses, which means there aren’t as many to choose from.

Still, Helen Mirren would be perfect, as would Maggie Smith. Yep, despite the fact we want to avoid comparison with Oldman, we still want Thompkins to be played by a Brit. Some things are too perfect to change.


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Make him a detective

Pros: It’s an absolutely key aspect of Batman’s character; in the comics he defines himself as a detective, not a vigilante.

And whilst we saw glimpses of Batman’s clue-chasing skills in The Dark Knight – even if sometimes they didn’t really make sense; what was that shooting the bullets into the wall bit all about? – often it felt as though Batman was discovering events as they were happening, rather than using evidence to stay one-step ahead.

We want the next incarnation to be a full-blown police procedural, with Batman’s sleuthing skills being so comprehensive they make Sherlock Holmes look like Tony Stark.

In the ‘70s, Batman frequently solved side-cases that had nothing to do with the main story, seemingly for fun. They were often versions of the ‘a man’s been found hanging in a locked room with no chair, how did he die? (answer: he stood a block of ice) brain-teasers, but it was the Dark Knight Detective’s path to the truth that provided entertainment for readers.

Old Bats was definitely from the Holmes school of 'eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth' school of detection and it was fun to follow. It could be just as fun in the reboot.

Cons: It’ll take a clever screenwriter to come up with puzzles that are satisfying to solve. They need to be tricky without being frustrating, and clever enough to ensure that the audience doesn’t work out the answers before Bruce does.

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Introduce humour

Pros: Despite the darkness, Batman's traditionally a pretty funny superhero comic, with a nice line in gallows / sarcastic humour (ignoring the pun in the image above, that is).

Mostly, the jokes come from supporting players, with Alfred, Nightwing and Robin all being used to lighten the tension. But Batman's been known to tell a few jokes himself - something that's almost entirely absent from Nolan's films.

Whilst some of The Dark Knight Rises’ promotional material suggests that the Nolan brothers are stepping up the joke-count for the final installment, we don’t expect it to be a laugh-a-minute.

We’d like the reboot to introduce a few wry pay-off lines to the growls and threats.


Cons: It’ll be important to get the balance right; we don’t want to see Bats chuck out one-liners as often as he throws Batarangs.

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Open up the universe

Pros: Let’s face it, following the success of The Avengers, a Justice League movie is inevitable.

But we’d argue that, rather than jumping in at the deep end with an Aquaman movie, it’s essential that DC get their Justice League version of Batman right first.

So it’s important that the Batman reboot, whilst remaining firmly in the real-world that Nolan’s created, starts to introduce the more fantastical elements that are essential for a League movie to get off the ground.

This could be as throwaway as a newspaper headline announcing the arrival of the fastest man in the world, or a TV news report about the discovery of a new island which scientists have named Themyscira. But the references do have to be in there.

The Batman reboot will work best as a gradual transition from Nolan’s world into the more fantasy-heavy landscape that the sequels and spin-offs will almost certainly have to exist in.

Cons: This is going to be extremely difficult to get right – the Batman reboot has to successfully bridge the gap between The Dark Knight Rises and Green Lantern.

We wish whoever takes on the task the very best of luck.


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Include a Superman cameo

Pros: Alongside opening up the universe with a few well-placed Justice League references for the fans to pick up on, the Batman reboot simply has to include a decent-sized cameo for Superman.

It could be in an Avengers style end-credits sequence, or it could be mid-movie, but it has to happen – and it has to be more than just be a red and blue flash in the sky.

Superman is a fantastic character in the Bat-verse. He doesn’t appear often, but when he does he’s a brilliant counterpoint to Bruce’s brooding. He knows Batman better than anyone – some of our favourite dialogue about Batman's true nature has come from a Superman speech bubble.

Basically, Superman and Batman work together as a concept. He’s the best route in for a Justice League movie set-up.

It would work in one of two ways: If Warner Brothers wanted to cover the first meeting of the big blue boy scout and the masked manhunter, then have Superman appear at the end of Batman’s film, threatening to take him down because he doesn’t like his methods.

Then, the Batman reboot sequel can be Batman Vs Superman, they’ll fight for 90 minutes or so, before realising at the end that they’re on the same side, and that they should set up some sort of League Of Justice to ensure that this sort of thing never happens again.

Though we’d infinitely prefer the second option, which accepts that in this new universe, Batman and Superman already know each other. We want an end-credits sequence in which Superman floats down onto a roof while Batman moodily peers out over Gotham. Superman lands, and says: “Bruce, I need your help.” Cut to black, roll credits.


Cons: There’s a small – but very vocal - minority of fans who hate Superman as much as they do Robin, thinking such a decent, moral and brightly coloured character has no place in Batman’s dark and gritty universe. These people are wrong, and must be ignored.

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Reinvent the Batcave

Pros: We love Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, but they both completely failed at delivering the concept of the Batcave.

There’s a chance we’ll get it in The Dark Knight Rises – all we need is a rebuilt Wayne Manor, a bit of restructuring work in the caves established in Begins, and The Dark Knight’s supercomputer to be moved underground, but that’s probably fairly unlikely.

But don’t get us wrong, we’re not after the ‘60s TV version of the cave, complete with a Batcomputer featuring Special Escaped Arch-criminal Bat-locator, but we also don’t want to see Bruce sitting in an open-plan sky-rise apartment full of windows, wearing his bat-suit and holding his cowl, in broad daylight (sorry The Dark Knight geeks).

Batman belongs underground, and a Bat-film isn’t complete without his cave.

We accept that we probably won’t get to see one with a giant penny and a life-size animatronic T-Rex anytime soon, but the cave is an essential element of the character and one that needs to appear fully formed in the reboot.


Cons: We’re really hoping it’ll make an appearance in The Dark Knight Rises – and Bruce will have more than enough time to construct it in his eight years off – but if it doesn’t show up, there’s probably a good reason Nolan’s stayed away from it. There is something inherently silly about the concept, but that doesn’t stop it from being awesome.

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Put more stuff in the utility belt

Pros: One of the things we most respect about Nolan’s Batman films is the fact that, despite taking place is a gritty realistic world, Batman still walks around wearing a massive golden belt filled with ninja shuriken shaped like bats. We’re not being snarky, we genuinely love it.

That’s Batman’s utility belt, and it’s potentially as silly as the Batcave, but equally as brilliant.

And we want to see it used much more frequently in the Batman reboot. Again, we’re not asking for Bat-shark repellent pulled from the belt in the ’66 movie, but we do want it to be filled with all the great tools you can see in the image above.

It ties in with our desire for the reboot to put more focus on Batman’s detective skills – the utility belt is essentially his CSI kit, with an infrared camera, fingerprint dusting kit, and lockpick tools amongst its coolest contents.

Cons: It is one of the areas of Batman lore people make fun of the most – and to be fair, it has contained some ridiculous stuff over the years – but as long as the screenwriters avoid the ‘solution to every problem’ issue, we think it could work.

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Hire Ed Brubaker to write it

Pros: Ed Brubaker is the comic-book creator behind Gotham Central, which is essentially The Wire of Bat-books.

Set entirely within the Gotham City Police Department - with Batman only appearing in cameos - Gotham Central focused on the impact Batman’s vigilantism would really have on the lives and morale of Gotham’s cops.

It approached the mythos with the same level of intense realism as Nolan’s Batman Begins – only it did it two years earlier, launching in February 2003.

Gotham Central also managed to humanise the army of freaks that make up Batman’s rogues gallery, giving it depth that approached Watchmen levels.

It’s an incredible comic – and it achieves the main feat a Batman reboot needs, combining the ultra-realism of Batman Begins & The Dark Knight with the fantastical elements of a Justice League set-up.

And for anyone worried about putting a comic-writer on screenplay duties, there’s one element of Joss Whedon’s success with The Avengers that’s been over-looked slightly.

Joss wasn’t just a TV writer who successfully stepped up to the big screen: he was a comic-book writer who understood the importance of splash panels.

The Avengers is arguably the most representative comic-book movie ever made, in that watching it almost perfectly replicates the experience of reading a comic.

That aspect has nothing to do with Whedon’s telly experience, and everything to do with the work he did on titles like Astonishing X-Men. So maybe it’s time to give other comic-book writers a chance.


Cons: Gotham Central, despite being one of the most well-reviewed books in Batman comic history, didn’t sell very well. The critics loved it, but it didn’t connect with an audience. But then we have a feeling that if it launched now, post-Nolan, it would do slightly better business.

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Cast Michael Fassbender as Batman

Pros: You’re a Total Film reader, so you don’t need reminding of how good Fassy is – but it’s still worth putting his general position in Hollywood into context.

Fassy’s 35, which would make him 39 in the four years we reckon it’ll take to put together a worthy follow-up to The Dark Knight Rises. It also happens to make him the perfect age to play Batman.

Few actors of his age-range have the skill-set to play Bruce and Bats with the layered intensity both characters deserve – well, unless you’re prepared to give Orlando Bloom, Colin Hanks or Danny Dyer a go – Tom Hardy’s the only actor who comes close, but we’re pretty sure he’s already involved with the franchise in a slightly different capacity.

Fassbender’s managed to mix blockbuster work with smaller passion projects, a trick the last bloke to pull on the Bat-suit also achieved.

He has leading man looks, but he’s not afraid to indulge in his dark side. He’s perfect basically.


Cons: Let’s ignore that fact that Fassbender may well be off making Bond with Nolan, and the fact he’s so associated with another iconic comic-book character, get him signed up now!

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Keep the budget down

Pros: Batman Begins’ budget was around $150 million, which is obviously a lot of money to pop down the shops with, but it’s a bargain for a blockbuster of Begins’ scale.

For comparison, Battleship had a production budget of $209 million, and John Carter had $250 million to play with. And we’re pretty sure that a The Dark Knight isn’t around the corner for either of them.

For those who think it’s not fair to compare 2005 budgets to 2012 numbers, Peter Jackson’s King Kong cost $207 million, and The Chronicles Of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch & The Wardrobe cost $180 million to make. Hell, even Troy, Alexander and Van Helsing, all released in 2004, cost more than Batman Begins – at $175 million, $155 million, and $160 million apiece.

Of all the films we’ve mentioned, we know which one goes on our Blu-ray player at least once a month, and it doesn’t star Hugh Jackman (sorry Hugh).

But Batman Begins is an odd-film-out in another way – it’s the only movie listed without an enormous special effects budget.

By keeping Batman in the real world, Nolan kept costs down – and that’s something we’d like to see replicated in the Batman reboot.

Obviously a Superman cameo will push the effects budget up slightly, but if it’s an end-credits sequence of the kind we’ve already outlined, it shouldn’t require a bank robbery to cover the cost.

Which is good, as Superman hates bank robberies. It’s literally one of his least favourite things.

Cons: The Dark Knight Rises had $250 million production costs, and Warner Brothers might experience fan pressure to match that level of investment.

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Bring back Robin?

Pros: Of all the essential elements of a Batman reboot we’ve listed, this is by far the most contentious.

Comic-book readers hate Robin so much they once paid money to kill him.

And that’s not an exaggeration – in the late-‘80s, DC held a phone vote to decide the fate of Jason Todd’s Robin. Fans dialled one number to save him from death at the hands of Joker, another to condemn him.

A slim majority voted to kill off the character, and true to their word, DC depicted his brutal death.

Robin’s so unpopular that Christian Bale reportedly threatened to quit the Batman films if Nolan introduced the character to his universe – though the veracity of that quote is still in question (it’s never actually been confirmed) it still sums up many fans' feelings on the matter.

But despite the hatred, we’d argue Batman actually needs Robin – not just to help him fight crime, but to make him a more rounded character.

And Batman’s creators were aware of the fact that, without Robin to interact with, Batman as a concept has limitations. That would explain why Batman didn’t make it to a full year of publication before Robin was introduced.

That’s right, Robin has been a near-constant presence in Bat-history. Batman spent 11 months without him, and 73 years with him. And there’s a reason.

We’ve already touched on the fact that Batman’s generally a fairly funny comic-book – that’s because he has Robin to spark off. The comics without the character are generally the darkest of the canon.

Which is by no means a bad thing, but if the Batman reboot does want to change direction the introduction of Robin, though risky, is a proven route to success.

But their relationship is more complicated than straight-man and foil, the best Robins – Dick Grayson, Tim Drake – add consequence, and even substance to their best Bat-books.

Robin is a symbol of optimism and hope - he operates as a reminder to Batman of what he’s fighting for, and of what he’s lost in the process.

If, and it’s a big if, the Batman reboot makes him likeable, he’ll add a completely new dynamic to the universe already established by Nolan.

And we get the feeling even Nolan likes him – watch Batman Begins again; if Game Of Thrones’ Jack Gleeson isn’t meant as a tribute to Robin, we’ll eat our cape.

There's even a reference to Robin in The Dark Knight Rises; the R held aloft by a crowd-member in the Gotham Rogues scene is an exact replica of the Boy Wonder's branding.

Other publications have written the reference off as a prank by an extra, but are you telling us that a director with as much attention to detail as Nolan didn't notice it? It would have taken a half-decent digital effects team ten minutes to get rid of it, and yet it was so clear in the second trailer that it was included in every single trailer breakdown.

Our guess? The sign was the work of an extra, Nolan saw it, liked it, and left it in.

Still, there's a reason this is the only headline in this feature to come with a question mark - we don't think that Robin deserves automatic inclusion in the Batman reboot, but we do think he'd serve a purpose. But if the creative team can't do him justice, we'd rather he was left out.


Cons: Robin is an insanely difficult character to get right – Batman Forever and Batman & Robin did such a bad job they tarnished the Boy Wonder’s cinematic reputation so completely, it’s hard to imagine how a big screen Robin would be achieved.

But then, after Batman & Robin it was hard to imagine another decent Batman film full-stop, and we all know what happened next.


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Hire an incredible director

Pros: So, we want a Batman movie that ditches the origin story, incorporates plotlines from the ‘00s era, features realistic villains who Batman beats using detective skills, his utility belt, and a retooled Batcave, and we want to add a classic supporting character and a few jokes in the process. Oh, and we want a Superman cameo, a role for Robin and as many DC references as we can fit in.

There’s one man that can deliver all of the above in style. Unfortunately, he’s involved in another superhero franchise you might have heard of.

Yep, it’s Joss Whedon.

Joss clearly cares about the character – he pitched his own post-Batman & Robin / pre-Batman Begins take, but was sadly dismissed out of hand by a studio suit.

Buffy proved that Whedon can mix wit, fantastical situations in a realistic world and well-realised supporting characters. And if anyone can set up the Justice League universe, it’s the man behind The Avengers.

But if Joss can’t do it, it’ll be hard to find a director who can mix humour, realism and action so successfully – we’d say Sam Raimi, but we’d worry he’d pitch Adam West as the perfect Batman.

DC might be tempted to mimick the Marvel technique of handing their biggest franchise to a untried director – but we’d rather they went for someone proven.

Peter Jackson would be perfect, but we think he’ll probably move onto more personal projects when he’s done with The Hobbit.

We’d deeply love to see Martin Scorsese’s take on the character – but we’ve probably got more chance of directing it ourselves.

Cons: We imagine Joss Whedon is tied up in a very complicated Marvel contract (though, to be fair, Ryan Reynolds seems able to leap between Marvel and DC characters on a whim - and you'd expect actors' contracts to have even more fine print) so we think his Wayne Manor window of opportunity has probably closed permanently. That leaves a fairly limited pool to choose from.

Whoever takes it on, they have to be high-profile, and they have to be on the top of their game. The character, and Chris Nolan's legacy, deserves no less.


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Thoughts???
 
I don't agree w/da first part of your statement but I'd fucks w/a Batman Beyond movie.





Once heath ledger kick the bucket;that was a done deal.

You can't top the joker!

You can do a batman beyond and that might kick off some prequels!

If they do another batman reboot.That shit will be D.O.A!


 




Once heath ledger kick the bucket;that was a done deal.

You can't top the joker!

You can do a batman beyond and that might kick off some prequels!

If they do another batman reboot.That shit will be D.O.A!



Hell, Tom Hardy's performance as Bane was just as good if not equal to Ledger's performance as the Joker.
 
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Batman had a 22 year run.Let that shit go and move the fuck on!

It's time to move to batman beyond!



:yes:i agree, an different origin story that has already been established in RISES and could be taken in different ways starts here:
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rebooting has to have SOME element for the Nolan series so people will not automatically look it as being a total 180, Nolan does not have to direct either, just produce as he's doing with Man Of Steel, it would be SOMETHING if Blake makes a surprise cameo in it to kick off the DC Universe
 
What I want in a reboot is Batman being Batman...a real detective, skilled martial artist and focused man on a mission not willing to drop the cape and cowl at every turn.

Nolan's films are okay but his interpretation of Bruce/Batman was weak, dude always seemed lost and never showed the intelligence and confidence the character is known for.

Alfred should be there for moral support not to give pep talks when Bruce is feeling down and he should be smart enough to go through trail and error creating his own gadgets and not just call up Lucius Fox when he needs a new toy.
 
All we need is one more BatMan movie with Nolan and Robin in his mask before they reboot this character.



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Instead of rebooting the franchise, how about carrying on from the ending of Rises? We really don't need an origin story now. Lets move on to dealing with villains and cases.
 
couldnt take dude all that seriously since he liked the nolan versions so much
and after his third reason i had to check out
batman is pretty much the only person in the DC universe that u can really get away wit that crap( yeah lex i know ). i dont think u can have batman in a universe wit supes, flash, greenlantern, etc and still have bats fightin normal bank robbers an crazies


Hell, Tom Hardy's performance as Bane was just as good if not equal to Ledger's performance as the Joker.


dude is a great actor but in that movie he was 100% replaceable
his role coulda been played by the riddler, penguin, 2face, etc
nolan made bain a high level hench men for some terrorist
i like how nolan made bain all philosophical but something tells me all his lines were original written for heath
 
hoo boy this guy sure is gay for Nolan.

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:lol::lol:
so it aint just me



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just thought of something
how bout they have the reboot pickup right after the flick wit joker
they have to find somebody that could top heath but it'd give em a chance to do Bane right
 
Slapped, the shit outta the next actor that does that stupid Batman voice. I mean really slapped the shit outta dude. :hmm:
 
how bout they have the reboot pickup right after the flick wit joker
they have to find somebody that could top heath but it'd give em a chance to do Bane right

I'll never get how people disliked Bane but loved the Joker :confused::confused:

I'm first to admit I was upset about the mask, and disappointed with the lack of Venom but the acting and writing for Bane was solid.

The Joker, however... A painted on face?? :cmonson: The constant licking of the lips made him look like a crackhead! And where were the JOKES?! He's the JOKER! The only funny bit he had was magic trick with the pencil.

Then Batman out in the open, putting on a show for the news cams and telling everyone his secret identity the first chance he gets?? Personally I cant wait for a reboot without Nolan on board.
 
I was hoping to see #8 in the last batman. Hell they could have at least had a scene where Bruce is on the phone and say some shit like "thanks for calling Clark".

i swear, when batman was carrying that bomb across the ocean at the end, i just knew he was going to drop it on Atlantis, and Aquaman was gonna come out like "yo, wtf".
 
I'll never get how people disliked Bane but loved the Joker :confused::confused:

I'm first to admit I was upset about the mask, and disappointed with the lack of Venom but the acting and writing for Bane was solid.

the acting was great and the writing was decent but that wasnt bane
damn near any other batman villain coulda played that role without missin a beat
the perfect fit being the joker or riddler

The Joker, however... A painted on face?? :cmonson: The constant licking of the lips made him look like a crackhead! And where were the JOKES?! He's the JOKER! The only funny bit he had was magic trick with the pencil.

i actually liked nolans version of the joker
i think the crazy guy who was horrible disfigured an abused by his pops, who decides to take his permanent smile an runnin wit it was much better than some bank robber who falls into a vat of chemicals and gets the powers of craziness, white skin an green hair. i agree on the jokes, i think there shoulda been more of those. i also think joker woulda blew up them boats at the end of the flick

Then Batman out in the open, putting on a show for the news cams and telling everyone his secret identity the first chance he gets?? Personally I cant wait for a reboot without Nolan on board.


throw in the growls, yells and desire to quit an i gotta c/s
 
i wish that gotham central was made into a tv show. hire good crime writers like max allan collins, richard price and walter mosley along with good comic book writers. put it on the cw, wednesdays at 9pm. i'll watch every episode!! :yes:
 
Good read! Thanks for sharing Shorty:yes:

So let me get this right, they want to open up the Batman world but still keep it realistic? Once Superman hits the screen all "realism" is out the door.

That didn't matter to me as much as some other people, I'm all for a cameo from Green Lantern or Superman though:yes:
 
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16. Bring back goofy ass villains such as egghead and the penguin....
Pros... Time for batman silly villains to get some love, rather than being pushed to the side, like they never existed.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot, they need to bring back the white eyebrows over the mask batman...
Cons... None, why change a classic...:yes:
 
i like how nolan made bain all philosophical but something tells me all his lines were original written for heath

He's practically a genius (or is). He's like that in da comics. I'on really know what you were lookin' for but da Bane in da Batman & Robin movies that was depicted by Jeep Swenson definitely wasn't how he is. :dunno:
 
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I was actually going to say this as a possible #16. I mean he can be a great fighter and still be grounded in reality. Nolan's Batman would get his ass whooped by Jason Bourne!

Batman is considered one of the best non-powered martial artist in DC universe, master of many styles, and an expert at pressure points and knocking opponents out with one punch. That's why I was kind of laughing at TDKR when he fought Bane the first time, Batman looks like he was barroom brawling with Bane, and not trying different styles on him to see if at least one would work on him. The end result was going to be Bane beating him, but wouldn't it have seemed even more hopeless if he went through about 4 different styles and none of them worked on Bane?

I mean c'mon Batman has gone head up with Karate Kid and won!
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He's practically a genius (or is). He's like that in da comics. I'on really know what you were lookin' for but da Bane in da Batman & Robin movies that was depicted by Jeep Swenson definitely wasn't how he is. :dunno:




them batman movies were abortions
as far as i'm concerned after the first 2 came out nolan dropped his 3 flicks, them other shits never happened


I was actually going to say this as a possible #16. I mean he can be a great fighter and still be grounded in reality. Nolan's Batman would get his ass whooped by Jason Bourne!

Batman is considered one of the best non-powered martial artist in DC universe, master of many styles, and an expert at pressure points and knocking opponents out with one punch. That's why I was kind of laughing at TDKR when he fought Bane the first time, Batman looks like he was barroom brawling with Bane, and not trying different styles on him to see if at least one would work on him. The end result was going to be Bane beating him, but wouldn't it have seemed even more hopeless if he went through about 4 different styles and none of them worked on Bane?

I mean c'mon Batman has gone head up with Karate Kid and won!
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c/s
all the fight scenes in all 3 flicks stunk
an in this day an age there really is no excuse


What I want in a reboot is Batman being Batman...a real detective, skilled martial artist and focused man on a mission not willing to drop the cape and cowl at every turn.

Nolan's films are okay but his interpretation of Bruce/Batman was weak, dude always seemed lost and never showed the intelligence and confidence the character is known for.

Alfred should be there for moral support not to give pep talks when Bruce is feeling down and he should be smart enough to go through trail and error creating his own gadgets and not just call up Lucius Fox when he needs a new toy.


:yes::yes:
cept i'm kinda on the fence on the lucius character
 
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I was actually going to say this as a possible #16. I mean he can be a great fighter and still be grounded in reality. Nolan's Batman would get his ass whooped by Jason Bourne!

Batman is considered one of the best non-powered martial artist in DC universe, master of many styles, and an expert at pressure points and knocking opponents out with one punch. That's why I was kind of laughing at TDKR when he fought Bane the first time, Batman looks like he was barroom brawling with Bane, and not trying different styles on him to see if at least one would work on him. The end result was going to be Bane beating him, but wouldn't it have seemed even more hopeless if he went through about 4 different styles and none of them worked on Bane?



This is exactly what I tell folks who try to defend that fight with bane, even if they both trained with the league off shadows bruce wayne in character would've added other styles to what he'd learned. He's always obsessively striving to better himself and be ready for almost anything
 
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