Logical Fallacies and How to Spot Them

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In the Evolution vs. Creationism debate, it is important to be able to spot all the logical fallacies that Creationists tend to throw around. This essay covers many bare essentials of logical thinking, as well as ways to critically evaluate an argument. The logical fallacies listed here are the ones most often used by Creationists, although Creationists have, to date, used almost every single logical fallacy in existence to "prove" their case. Each fallacy will have its own little paragraph, describing it, why it is fallacious and how to counter it. Enjoy!

THE STRAWMAN ATTACK: The strawman is, perhaps, the most heavily-employed tactic used by Creationists. The strawman attack's name comes from the idea of setting up a strawman and knocking it down. The strawman is a false man, metaphorically representing a false argument. The strawman attack is a very dishonest one. Creationists ruthlessly use this tactic to win public support. In essence, the strawman attack is putting words in your opponent's mouth and then attacking the resulting position, while simultaenously evading the real argument.

EXAMPLE

"Evolution is a ridiculous theory! Macro-evolution says that a fish can just evolve into a bird! Clearly this is preposterous!"
This is an example of a strawman attack. Macro-evolution does not say that one species can "evolve" into another one. Macro-evolution is one species splitting into two species due to evolutionary changes. Clearly, this argument is a gross misrepresentation, at best, and a malicious lie, at worst.

HOW TO SPOT

Spotting a strawman attack isn't that hard. Just make sure that the opposition actually makes the claim that the attacker says he or she does. In evolution's case, just think to yourself: Would our foremost men and women of biology actually propose such a ridiculous concept? While you should always check to verify the attacker's statements about what the opposition is saying, you definitely do so when the attacker's statement begs such questions as, "How stupid can the opposition possibly be?" and arouses any kind of suspicion. For example, I read many web sites devoted to the Evolution vs. Creationism debate that displayed common Creationist arguments. I found it hard to believe that people were actually making the arguments I saw, because they were so easily shot down. So, I looked on Creationist websites and, lo and behold, they had, indeed, made such moronic claims as, "Evolution defies the Second Law of Thermodynamics!"

HOW TO COUNTER

Strawman attacks, once exposed for what they are, are not all that difficult to counter. SImply ask the attacker for a documented occasion in which his opposition made such a claim. If he cannot produce one, happily point out that the attacker is putting words in his opponent's mouth and attacking that position. Pointing out that this attack is a cowardly evasion might well help, depending on how high (or low)a regard you hold the attacker in.

THE FALSE DILEMMA FALLACY: The false dilemma is at the heart of the Creationist argument. The false dilemma supposes that there are only two possible solutions to a problem (his and his opponent's), ignoring anything else. The idea behind the false dilemma is to set up a system in which a disproof of the opponent's argument is automatic proof and support for the attacker's argument. Obviously, this is a completely irrational line of thinking. Just because there may be some error in my measured height doesn't make me a kilometer tall.

EXAMPLE

"There are only two solutions for the question of how the Universe was created: the Big Bang, which says that the Universe was formed out of nothing from random chance, or Biblical Creation, which gives us a loving, awesome, caring God who wants us to...[continue with mindless religious yammering ad infinitum]."
Obviously, Creationists love the false dilemma because it makes any hole they find in Evolutionary Theory an automatic proof of Biblical Creation. Of course, if we are to accept Biblical Creation as a viable view on how the Universe was created, then we must accept other religions' creation stories, as well. Creationists tend to ignore this fact, in favor of their quasi-masturbatory fantasies about a six-day creation timeframe and a Universe that is a paultry ten thousand years old.

If you look carefully, you'll also notice the strawman attack. The Big Bang Theory doesn't state that the Universe was formed from nothing. This would violate the Law of Conservation of Energy. Also, there's nothing in the Big Bang Theory that suggests random chance. It simply happened. We don't know why, but it did.

HOW TO SPOT

Whenever the attacker arbitrarily cuts the number of possible solutions down to only two, you should ask him why he does this. If there is a logical reasoning behind it (for example, there are only two solutions to x2+4x+4), then this is not a false dilemma, but a true one. If he cannot give you a logical explanation, he is setting up a false dilemma.

HOW TO COUNTER

Once you spot a false dilemma, just make it clear that the attacker is artificially narrowing the choices down the choices and trying to decieve everyone. This will go quite a ways to shatter his credibility.

THE APPEAL TO AUTHORITY: The appeal to authority is used when someone making an argument can't put any logical reasoning behind it. Instead of supporting an argument with evidence, the argument is supported by simply saying, "Because so-and-so said so." The argument may be correct, but the logic is still fallacious. For example, if someone said that the Earth's gravitational acceleration was 9.8m/s2 because physicists said so, the information would be correct, but they'd be basing it on false logic. Creationists especially love this type of fallacy because they have an authority that they can appeal to for anything that they want: God. Since God knows everything, anything they say can be "proven" correct by appealing to God. The other authority that they like to appeal to is the Bible. "Because Genesis said so, and Genesis was written by men inspired by God," it must be correct. This is known as a Biblical appeal to authority, while the former is known as a deistic appeal to authority. Either way, if there's no reasoning behind the argument, it is fradulant and illogical.

EXAMPLE

"Isaac Newton was a believer in Creation. He is one of the most legendary physicists of all time. Surely, you're not going to argue with him."
Exactly the kind of thing Creationists tend to say. Not only is this an appeal to authority, it is an appeal to an irrelevant authority. Newton was a physicist, which has nothing to do with biology, and he has been dead for a long time. He was not confronted with all the evidence for Evolution, thus his opinion is irrelevant. Even if a living biologist were cited as an authority, the argument would still be an appeal to authority and, thus, fallacious.

HOW TO SPOT

This one's not hard. When someone cites someone else as an authority and gives no argument, they are engaging in an appeal to authority.

HOW TO COUNTER

Simply point out the fallacy that the attacker is engaging in and demand that the argument be backed up by logic.

THE APPEAL TO FEAR: Creationists love this one. They like to make it seem that, if you don't accept their point of view, bad things will happen. This one is relatively simple. On a side note, this logical fallacy is, perhaps, the largest reason for the spread of Christianity. People didn't accept Christianity willfully, in the beginning. It was forced upon them, either with real threats ("If you don't convert, you'll be beheaded.") or imagined ones ("If you don't convert, you'll go to Hell."). Fear is no basis with which to accept an argument. The Catholic Church routinely engages in this fallacy by hammering the fear of God into youngsters at Sunday School and Catholic school. This becomes the driving force behind beliefs and actions, and it is a flawed one.

EXAMPLE

"To deny the truth of Creationism is to deny the Word of God Himself. If you don't accept God, you will be condemned to Hell to suffer for eternity."
No logic. No argument. No reason. No intelligence. Just bigotry and self-righteousness.

HOW TO SPOT

When someone threatens you with the dangerous consequences of not accepting their point of view, they are engaging in an appeal to fear. This is not a hard one to spot.

HOW TO COUNTER

Simply point out that your opponent is engaging in a logical fallacy, and obviously has no other recourse but to try and scare everyone into his point of view.

THE APPEAL TO THE MASSES: One is commiting this fallacy when he tries to justify a belief or action by the support base behind that action. Saying that Christianity is the right religion because it has a billion followers is an appeal to the masses. As with other logical fallacies, there is no logic behind this, just ignorance.

EXAMPLE

"There are more and more people converting to Creationism everyday. Even astrophysicists and biologists are seeing the light. This is God's work!"
Creationists often engage in an appeal to the masses in tandem with the appeal to authority, as you can see here. In this case, they use the appeal to an anonymous authority with the appeal to the masses. If all the physicists in the world suddenly said that they Earth pulled down at 1,000m/s2 without any proof, they'd still be wrong. If all the Creationists in the world jumped off a kilometer-high bridge, would you? If you said, "Yes," please proceed to the nearest bridge.

HOW TO SPOT

This is just like peer pressure. When someone mentions what everyone else thinks as evidence of his argument, he's appealing to the masses.

HOW TO COUNTER

Simply point out that the attacker is engaging in a logical fallacy. If it helps, give examples of where the masses have been wrong. Like the Spanish Inquisition, or the Crusades or the Holocaust.

THE ACHILLES' HEAL FALLACY: This is the belief that if you poke one hole in your opponent's argument, or find one thing wrong with it, that the entire argument is invalidated. Creationists love this one, because they like finding isolated incidents where, on the surface, it looks like evolution can't explain what happened. They also like to use it to invalidate carbon dating by citing isolated incidents in which carbon dating has been shown to be wrong (without pointing out the scientific explanations for these incidents). This can also be called the fallacy of hast generalization.

EXAMPLE

"They carbon-dated a snail and it turned out to be 25,000 years old! Carbon dating is totally unreliable!"
There are plenty of explanations for why this happened. Snails tend to abdorb minerals that they slide across. The snail in question probably picked up a 25,000 year-old piece of gravel. Furthermore, this doesn't address the fact that other, different dating methods (lke isochronic dating) confirm the majority of carbon-dating estimates. You can't just take one example and run with it.

HOW TO SPOT

If a widely-accepted practice is disputed by your opponent based on one or two examples, he is probably engaging in the Achilles' Heal fallacy. This may not be the case, though. It all depends on the scenario. If your someone attacks forensic evidence results by saying that the bullet tested was not the same type as the bullet used, then this is not a fallacy. Using a different type of bullet for the purpose of verification would skew the results of the tests. This is pointing out an error in the process which would affect the outcome. The Achilles' Heal fallacy is pointing out an error in merely one of many conclusions. The person would be guilty of the Achilles' Heal fallacy if he said that, because one forensic test turned out wrong, that all other tests must be wrong, as well.

HOW TO COUNTER

Once you know, for sure, that your opponent is engaging in an Achilles' Heal attack, simply demand that he explain why the majority of incidents which give correct outcomes should be ignored. For added fun, demand that he explain why, if the procedure in question is unreliable, a good deal of correct results were yielded.

THE AD HOMINEM ATTACK: The ad hominem simply means attacking the person making the argument, rather than the argument, itself. It is the last resort of Creationists whose arguments have been systematically annihilated. When used by a Creationist, these attacks will often incorporate religious bigotry and are almost always used with an appeal to fear.

EXAMPLE

"You have been blinded by Satan, and you are a creature of the devil. Neither you nor what you say can be trusted. You will rot in Hell for your ways."
Very simple. Notice the inclusion of the threat of Hell with the ad hominem. As said above, when a Creationist starts spouting crap like this, you know that you've won.

HOW TO SPOT

It is important to note the difference between an ad hominem and an insult. An ad hominem seeks to counter an argument based on the the person making it. An insult simply seeks to belittle someone. Insult can be added to a refutation, however. While impolite, the logic preceding the insult may be entirely true. Here is an example of an insult used with logical refutation:

TYPICAL CREATIONIST MORON (TCM): The Earth is only 6,500 years old.
ME: No, it's billions of years old [cites evidence]. Oh, and by the way, you smell of kitty litter, and your mother was a female dog of poor breeding.
See the difference? I cited evidence, made an argument, and then insulted the TCM. Of course, I'm not saying that insulting is right, but sometimes you just can't help calling a moron a moron.

HOW TO COUNTER

Inform any observers that your opponent is obviously at a loss to counter your arguments, and happily accept his concession on the point at hand.

SHIFTING THE ONUS OF PROOF: This is when your opponent makes a claim, provides no evidence for it, and then expects you to find evidence of it. Your opponent is making the claim, so he should logically have to provide evidence. Shifting the onus (or burden) of proof to you is a fallacy and a very low tactic to engage in. Often, a Creationist will make phantom claims and, then, act like they are common knowledge and he shouldn't have to back them up.

EXAMPLE

"The Earth was created in seven days by our loving father"
"Evidence?"
"Oh, come on! Everyone knows this, go look it up, if you don't."
That is an example of shifting the onus of proof. The opponent wrongfully forces you to do his research for him. He is obviously too lazy to do it, himself.

HOW TO SPOT

When your opponent starts treating a claim that isn't common knowledge like it is something everyone should know, and you demand proof, only to have him put that task on you, you are having the onus of proof unjustly handed off to you.

HOW TO COUNTER

Point out that your opponent is the one making the claim, not you. Demand that he provide evidence or conceed the point on the basis of zero evidence provided.

THE RED HERRING: This isn't so much a fallacy as it is an evasion tactic. The red herring is similar to a "wild goose chase." When someone leads the debate off on a red herring, they are trying to divert attention away from a particular argument, and toward some inconsequential statement that you may have made, or inventing some tangent to go off on. Creationists often use this when they attack the Big Bang Theory to try and prove evolution wrong. The Big Bang and evolution are completely separate theories, and are not mutually inclusive. The Creationist trying to debate the Big Bang is a red herring.

EXAMPLE

"Evolution is impossible because the Big Bang is a totally unacceptable theory because it defies the word of our loving Creator, He who sent His only Son, our Lord to...[continue with mindless religious yammering ad infinitum]."
The Big Bang has nothing to do with evolution. If it was proven wrong tomorrow, it wouldn't change the fact that organisms evolve to adapt to their environment, or they die.

HOW TO SPOT

This one can often be tricky to spot, because your first instinct is to correct the moron's ranting about the Big Bang. Don't let him lead you off on his tangent. Make sure that your opponent has directly addressed your point before proceeding.

HOW TO COUNTER

Demand that your opponent address your argument. Inform him and all those watching that his response is a simple red herring, meant to divert attention away from arguments that he can't counter.
 
at this point, only retards do not believe in evolution. And that's not only because I do, it's because it's been proven time and time again. I hear somebody talking about creationism and I file them away in the 'people I will never have a real discussion with' category :dunno:
 
I don't believe that human beings evolved from anything other than human beings so I guess I am a retard.

When you talk about human beings evolving from animals specifically primates to me that is pure bullshit.

Taking away the religious argument IE. the soul. The abilities that human beings possess have never evolved in the animal world. With the millions of species of animals other than humans why hasn't a reptile gained consciousness why hasn't a fish evolved into a fish human. Why supposedly only primates.

Call it creationism but whatever spurred consciousness in human beings whatever created awareness and gave us dominion over animals and earth created humanity.

So yes I believe in evolution for the animal world but I believe in creationism when it comes to humanity. If animals could evolve into human like creatures then our whole outlook on eating animals using animals for clothes tools and experiments is immoral.
 
Interesting...

So, these bitch niggas, who had no sound logical basis for their arguments, where employing logical fallacies, which I suspected. :D

The mentality is true for almost all women. Doesn't matter what the skin color is. Women are raised to think that way in America.

How do you qualify that statement? Unless you've collected empirical data on ALL women, your comment is anecdotal at best. I don't wanna get into who's OPINION is more convincing. All I ask is qualify your statement with facts.

O well your belief that women are perfect angels who are as logical and responsible as men are stupid at best. Human nature and society completely disagree with you. In our society, women aren't taught to take responsibility for their actions, especially with men. Men are supposed to pick up the woman's slack and take responsibility for their actions. Men are expected to bow to women and essentially submit to women. How would society feel about a woman getting on one knee to propose to a man?

No proof. OK.

But, where did I say or imply I believe women are perfect angels? What I expressed was instead of making uninformed generalizations of women, employ research & scientific methods to arrive at a conclusion. Adopting someone else's viewpoint that fits your limited experiences and then expounding it as universal truth is a logical fallacy.

nigga... take yo dumb ass to bed. You're starting to sound like that bitch acur

i think you mean qualify...

anyways i think you fail to realize or underestimate the fact that there is a legitimate connection between women. women in this country are influenced by the same female culture, therefore collecting formal empirical data on all women, for the purpose of this informal conversation is not necessary, to come to a conclusion such as this. trends in behavior are observable, not to mention that while men are not members of female culture, much of it is still familiar to us. objective reasoning has it's place, but it should not be the only type of conversation had, especially since many social nuances escape a scientific method. let the brother vent, lord knows the other side has theirs.
 
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one of the most salient posts, critical to this board, that the ones who would benefit most from won't read.
 
I don't believe that human beings evolved from anything other than human beings so I guess I am a retard.

When you talk about human beings evolving from animals specifically primates to me that is pure bullshit.

Taking away the religious argument IE. the soul. The abilities that human beings possess have never evolved in the animal world. With the millions of species of animals other than humans why hasn't a reptile gained consciousness why hasn't a fish evolved into a fish human. Why supposedly only primates.

Call it creationism but whatever spurred consciousness in human beings whatever created awareness and gave us dominion over animals and earth created humanity.

So yes I believe in evolution for the animal world but I believe in creationism when it comes to humanity. If animals could evolve into human like creatures then our whole outlook on eating animals using animals for clothes tools and experiments is immoral.


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I don't believe that human beings evolved from anything other than human beings so I guess I am a retard.

You said it not me

When you talk about human beings evolving from animals specifically primates to me that is pure bullshit.

then pray tell good sir, why do human beings share an overwhelming percentage of DNA with the other primates?:confused:

Taking away the religious argument IE. the soul. The abilities that human beings possess have never evolved in the animal world. With the millions of species of animals other than humans why hasn't a reptile gained consciousness why hasn't a fish evolved into a fish human. Why supposedly only primates.

good question, and any solutions that are offered right now are still debatable.

Call it creationism but whatever spurred consciousness in human beings whatever created awareness and gave us dominion over animals and earth created humanity.

so instead of working toasted an answer, you're just gonna believe a made up one?

So yes I believe in evolution for the animal world but I believe in creationism when it comes to humanity. If animals could evolve into human like creatures then our whole outlook on eating animals using animals for clothes tools and experiments is immoral.

humans are animals sir, whether you choose to believe it or not.

:hithead:
 
real quick, the theory of evolution NEVER SAID that humans evolved from primates.

NEVER.

it says we all had a common ancestor...one branch evolved more than the others.

so anyone believing that humans evolved from primates is ignorant of the science behind the THEORY.

second, many people believe in both creationism AND evolution. they are not mutually exclusive.
 
at this point, only retards do not believe in evolution. And that's not only because I do, it's because it's been proven time and time again. I hear somebody talking about creationism and I file them away in the 'people I will never have a real discussion with' category :dunno:

same here
 
1. Why do humans share a large part of their DNA with primates.
I don't know and it's irrelevant. Just because two things are similar does not mean one flowed from the other. Coincidence does not mean causation. (actually I do know, it's because they came from us not us from them but that goes into religion and we need to keep this scientific. lol)

2. Humans are animals.

To me humanity is not simply a higher form of animalism. We didn't evolve into humans. What makes us human and therefore higher than animals is contained in our mind and spirit. You cannot be a human and an animal at the same time. You can only be one or the other. If you believe humans are animals once again why not give animals human rights.

Every provable science can be repeated. Until humanity is derived from animalism in nature or in the lab evolution on a human side to me is not a fact its a hypothesis.

I personally believe God sparked humanity all those that want to believe humanity sprung from the primordial ooze to me are blind to what being human truly means.

Buk is absolutely correct creationism and evolution are not mutually exclusive.

I'll cosign all day that plants evolve animals evolve even humans evolve into better humans. But animals do not evolve into human beings so therefore what makes us humans and not animals does not comport with the notions of evolution. It's something totally out of the realm of science.

Believing humanity came out of nowhere is in no way more intelligent than saying it came from somewhere.
 
1. Why do humans share a large part of their DNA with primates.
I don't know and it's irrelevant. Just because two things are similar does not mean one flowed from the other. Coincidence does not mean causation.

2. Humans are animals.

To me humanity is not simply a higher form of animalism. We didn't evolve into humans. What makes us human and therefore higher than animals is contained in our mind and spirit. You cannot be a human and an animal at the same time. You can only be one or the other.

Every provable science can be repeated. Until humanity is derived from animalism in nature or in the lab evolution on a human side to me is not a fact its a hypothesis.

I personally believe God sparked humanity all those that want to believe humanity sprung from the primordial ooze to me are blind to what being human truly means.

Buk is absolutely correct creationism and evolution are not mutually exclusive.

I'll cosign all day that plants evolve animals evolve even humans evolve into better humans. But animals do not evolve into human beings so therefore what makes us humans and not animals does not comport with the notions of evolution. It's something totally out of the realm of science.

Believing humanity came out of nowhere is in no way more intelligent than saying it came from somewhere.

Do you have any proof to back up anything you've said or is this just belief based on thin air?
 
real quick, the theory of evolution NEVER SAID that humans evolved from primates.

NEVER.

it says we all had a common ancestor...one branch evolved more than the others.

so anyone believing that humans evolved from primates is ignorant of the science behind the THEORY.

second, many people believe in both creationism AND evolution. they are not mutually exclusive.

1) Define 'evolved more':confused:

2) You're right that the theory does not suggest that humans came from modern apes and that instead we all share a common 'ape-like' ancestor. So what? My wording may not have been 100% accurate in that regard, but that is still leagues away from what the other poster was suggesting, that somehow humans are outside of the animal kingdom.

3) Believing in evolution and believing in god may not be mutually exclusive, but that does not mean that when we collectively come across an intellectual stumbling block, instead of trying to work towards an answer we should just use it as evidence for (a) god.
 
1) Define 'evolved more':confused:

2) You're right that the theory does not suggest that humans came from modern apes and that instead we all share a common 'ape-like' ancestor. So what? My wording may not have been 100% accurate in that regard, but that is still leagues away from what the other poster was suggesting, that somehow humans are outside of the animal kingdom.
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I dont think Buk was referring to you though.
 
I dont think Buk was referring to you though.

:lol:

i wasn't, i didnt read any replies in this thread, was just dropping off my two cents.

but, developing an opposable thumb would be an example of greater evolution.

i do NOT think that the consciousness of man is evolutionary.
 
Specifically what assertion do you require proof of.

To me humanity is not simply a higher form of animalism. We didn't evolve into humans. What makes us human and therefore higher than animals is contained in our mind and spirit. You cannot be a human and an animal at the same time. You can only be one or the other.

Every provable science can be repeated. Until humanity is derived from animalism in nature or in the lab evolution on a human side to me is not a fact its a hypothesis.

Everything else you said made no sense. So, what proof to you have for comments highlighted?
 
this thread rocks and not becuz of the topic but because it identifies logical fallacies (ironically some being used in this very thread see if you can spot em first!)


oh and as for the discussion Temujin def made some good points, and i dont even agree with him (i think)

my .02 all a human being is is a tricked out primate, really its a souped up animal, just check the chromosome pairings and see the fused one that there is the key to it all
 
Everything else you said made no sense. So, what proof to you have for comments highlighted?

Don't say it didn't make sense say you didn't understand it maybe I can help clarify.

To borrow from Buk. I likewise do not believe human consciousness derived from evolution. I believe human consciousness what I was referring too as humanity is beyond the biological realm and therefore beyond evolution. So what makes us human didn't come from the animal kingdom and it didn't come from evolution.

Likewise human consciousness, humanity whatever you want to call it has not been replicated in nature or a lab other than in human beings.

As far as proof the theory of evolution offers no evidence of where awareness/consciousness comes from. Why we posses it and other species seem like they don't. It seems to me that evolutionists assume that it sprang forth magically while I believe it came from a consciousness higher than our own. Maybe one day they will find the "human" gene but as of now they have not.

In reality we are not far apart on our beliefs I honestly just believe most people that dismiss creationism don't ever ask where did humanity come from. I just don't believe it was chance. If it was chance it would happen again.
 
Question; have you ever read any reputable scientific info on evolution? Or are you basing this on stuff that you heard on the street?:rolleyes:

LOL have you.

Why yes young man I have studied biology and I have degrees in criminal justice, and economics as well as a Juris Doctorate so my stance on evolution is an educated one. But thanks for asking. lol
 
If our consciousness came from a higher consciousness then where did this higher consciousness come from?
 
In the Evolution vs. Creationism debate, it is important to be able to spot all the logical fallacies that Creationists tend to throw around. This essay covers many bare essentials of logical thinking, as well as ways to critically evaluate an argument. The logical fallacies listed here are the ones most often used by Creationists, although Creationists have, to date, used almost every single logical fallacy in existence to "prove" their case. Each fallacy will have its own little paragraph, describing it, why it is fallacious and how to counter it. Enjoy!

THE STRAWMAN ATTACK: The strawman is, perhaps, the most heavily-employed tactic used by Creationists. The strawman attack's name comes from the idea of setting up a strawman and knocking it down. The strawman is a false man, metaphorically representing a false argument. The strawman attack is a very dishonest one. Creationists ruthlessly use this tactic to win public support. In essence, the strawman attack is putting words in your opponent's mouth and then attacking the resulting position, while simultaenously evading the real argument.

EXAMPLE

"Evolution is a ridiculous theory! Macro-evolution says that a fish can just evolve into a bird! Clearly this is preposterous!"
This is an example of a strawman attack. Macro-evolution does not say that one species can "evolve" into another one. Macro-evolution is one species splitting into two species due to evolutionary changes. Clearly, this argument is a gross misrepresentation, at best, and a malicious lie, at worst.

HOW TO SPOT

Spotting a strawman attack isn't that hard. Just make sure that the opposition actually makes the claim that the attacker says he or she does. In evolution's case, just think to yourself: Would our foremost men and women of biology actually propose such a ridiculous concept? While you should always check to verify the attacker's statements about what the opposition is saying, you definitely do so when the attacker's statement begs such questions as, "How stupid can the opposition possibly be?" and arouses any kind of suspicion. For example, I read many web sites devoted to the Evolution vs. Creationism debate that displayed common Creationist arguments. I found it hard to believe that people were actually making the arguments I saw, because they were so easily shot down. So, I looked on Creationist websites and, lo and behold, they had, indeed, made such moronic claims as, "Evolution defies the Second Law of Thermodynamics!"

HOW TO COUNTER

Strawman attacks, once exposed for what they are, are not all that difficult to counter. SImply ask the attacker for a documented occasion in which his opposition made such a claim. If he cannot produce one, happily point out that the attacker is putting words in his opponent's mouth and attacking that position. Pointing out that this attack is a cowardly evasion might well help, depending on how high (or low)a regard you hold the attacker in.

THE FALSE DILEMMA FALLACY: The false dilemma is at the heart of the Creationist argument. The false dilemma supposes that there are only two possible solutions to a problem (his and his opponent's), ignoring anything else. The idea behind the false dilemma is to set up a system in which a disproof of the opponent's argument is automatic proof and support for the attacker's argument. Obviously, this is a completely irrational line of thinking. Just because there may be some error in my measured height doesn't make me a kilometer tall.

EXAMPLE

"There are only two solutions for the question of how the Universe was created: the Big Bang, which says that the Universe was formed out of nothing from random chance, or Biblical Creation, which gives us a loving, awesome, caring God who wants us to...[continue with mindless religious yammering ad infinitum]."
Obviously, Creationists love the false dilemma because it makes any hole they find in Evolutionary Theory an automatic proof of Biblical Creation. Of course, if we are to accept Biblical Creation as a viable view on how the Universe was created, then we must accept other religions' creation stories, as well. Creationists tend to ignore this fact, in favor of their quasi-masturbatory fantasies about a six-day creation timeframe and a Universe that is a paultry ten thousand years old.

If you look carefully, you'll also notice the strawman attack. The Big Bang Theory doesn't state that the Universe was formed from nothing. This would violate the Law of Conservation of Energy. Also, there's nothing in the Big Bang Theory that suggests random chance. It simply happened. We don't know why, but it did.

HOW TO SPOT

Whenever the attacker arbitrarily cuts the number of possible solutions down to only two, you should ask him why he does this. If there is a logical reasoning behind it (for example, there are only two solutions to x2+4x+4), then this is not a false dilemma, but a true one. If he cannot give you a logical explanation, he is setting up a false dilemma.

HOW TO COUNTER

Once you spot a false dilemma, just make it clear that the attacker is artificially narrowing the choices down the choices and trying to decieve everyone. This will go quite a ways to shatter his credibility.

THE APPEAL TO AUTHORITY: The appeal to authority is used when someone making an argument can't put any logical reasoning behind it. Instead of supporting an argument with evidence, the argument is supported by simply saying, "Because so-and-so said so." The argument may be correct, but the logic is still fallacious. For example, if someone said that the Earth's gravitational acceleration was 9.8m/s2 because physicists said so, the information would be correct, but they'd be basing it on false logic. Creationists especially love this type of fallacy because they have an authority that they can appeal to for anything that they want: God. Since God knows everything, anything they say can be "proven" correct by appealing to God. The other authority that they like to appeal to is the Bible. "Because Genesis said so, and Genesis was written by men inspired by God," it must be correct. This is known as a Biblical appeal to authority, while the former is known as a deistic appeal to authority. Either way, if there's no reasoning behind the argument, it is fradulant and illogical.

EXAMPLE

"Isaac Newton was a believer in Creation. He is one of the most legendary physicists of all time. Surely, you're not going to argue with him."
Exactly the kind of thing Creationists tend to say. Not only is this an appeal to authority, it is an appeal to an irrelevant authority. Newton was a physicist, which has nothing to do with biology, and he has been dead for a long time. He was not confronted with all the evidence for Evolution, thus his opinion is irrelevant. Even if a living biologist were cited as an authority, the argument would still be an appeal to authority and, thus, fallacious.

HOW TO SPOT

This one's not hard. When someone cites someone else as an authority and gives no argument, they are engaging in an appeal to authority.

HOW TO COUNTER

Simply point out the fallacy that the attacker is engaging in and demand that the argument be backed up by logic.

THE APPEAL TO FEAR: Creationists love this one. They like to make it seem that, if you don't accept their point of view, bad things will happen. This one is relatively simple. On a side note, this logical fallacy is, perhaps, the largest reason for the spread of Christianity. People didn't accept Christianity willfully, in the beginning. It was forced upon them, either with real threats ("If you don't convert, you'll be beheaded.") or imagined ones ("If you don't convert, you'll go to Hell."). Fear is no basis with which to accept an argument. The Catholic Church routinely engages in this fallacy by hammering the fear of God into youngsters at Sunday School and Catholic school. This becomes the driving force behind beliefs and actions, and it is a flawed one.

EXAMPLE

"To deny the truth of Creationism is to deny the Word of God Himself. If you don't accept God, you will be condemned to Hell to suffer for eternity."
No logic. No argument. No reason. No intelligence. Just bigotry and self-righteousness.

HOW TO SPOT

When someone threatens you with the dangerous consequences of not accepting their point of view, they are engaging in an appeal to fear. This is not a hard one to spot.

HOW TO COUNTER

Simply point out that your opponent is engaging in a logical fallacy, and obviously has no other recourse but to try and scare everyone into his point of view.

THE APPEAL TO THE MASSES: One is commiting this fallacy when he tries to justify a belief or action by the support base behind that action. Saying that Christianity is the right religion because it has a billion followers is an appeal to the masses. As with other logical fallacies, there is no logic behind this, just ignorance.

EXAMPLE

"There are more and more people converting to Creationism everyday. Even astrophysicists and biologists are seeing the light. This is God's work!"
Creationists often engage in an appeal to the masses in tandem with the appeal to authority, as you can see here. In this case, they use the appeal to an anonymous authority with the appeal to the masses. If all the physicists in the world suddenly said that they Earth pulled down at 1,000m/s2 without any proof, they'd still be wrong. If all the Creationists in the world jumped off a kilometer-high bridge, would you? If you said, "Yes," please proceed to the nearest bridge.

HOW TO SPOT

This is just like peer pressure. When someone mentions what everyone else thinks as evidence of his argument, he's appealing to the masses.

HOW TO COUNTER

Simply point out that the attacker is engaging in a logical fallacy. If it helps, give examples of where the masses have been wrong. Like the Spanish Inquisition, or the Crusades or the Holocaust.

THE ACHILLES' HEAL FALLACY: This is the belief that if you poke one hole in your opponent's argument, or find one thing wrong with it, that the entire argument is invalidated. Creationists love this one, because they like finding isolated incidents where, on the surface, it looks like evolution can't explain what happened. They also like to use it to invalidate carbon dating by citing isolated incidents in which carbon dating has been shown to be wrong (without pointing out the scientific explanations for these incidents). This can also be called the fallacy of hast generalization.

EXAMPLE

"They carbon-dated a snail and it turned out to be 25,000 years old! Carbon dating is totally unreliable!"
There are plenty of explanations for why this happened. Snails tend to abdorb minerals that they slide across. The snail in question probably picked up a 25,000 year-old piece of gravel. Furthermore, this doesn't address the fact that other, different dating methods (lke isochronic dating) confirm the majority of carbon-dating estimates. You can't just take one example and run with it.

HOW TO SPOT

If a widely-accepted practice is disputed by your opponent based on one or two examples, he is probably engaging in the Achilles' Heal fallacy. This may not be the case, though. It all depends on the scenario. If your someone attacks forensic evidence results by saying that the bullet tested was not the same type as the bullet used, then this is not a fallacy. Using a different type of bullet for the purpose of verification would skew the results of the tests. This is pointing out an error in the process which would affect the outcome. The Achilles' Heal fallacy is pointing out an error in merely one of many conclusions. The person would be guilty of the Achilles' Heal fallacy if he said that, because one forensic test turned out wrong, that all other tests must be wrong, as well.

HOW TO COUNTER

Once you know, for sure, that your opponent is engaging in an Achilles' Heal attack, simply demand that he explain why the majority of incidents which give correct outcomes should be ignored. For added fun, demand that he explain why, if the procedure in question is unreliable, a good deal of correct results were yielded.

THE AD HOMINEM ATTACK: The ad hominem simply means attacking the person making the argument, rather than the argument, itself. It is the last resort of Creationists whose arguments have been systematically annihilated. When used by a Creationist, these attacks will often incorporate religious bigotry and are almost always used with an appeal to fear.

EXAMPLE

"You have been blinded by Satan, and you are a creature of the devil. Neither you nor what you say can be trusted. You will rot in Hell for your ways."
Very simple. Notice the inclusion of the threat of Hell with the ad hominem. As said above, when a Creationist starts spouting crap like this, you know that you've won.

HOW TO SPOT

It is important to note the difference between an ad hominem and an insult. An ad hominem seeks to counter an argument based on the the person making it. An insult simply seeks to belittle someone. Insult can be added to a refutation, however. While impolite, the logic preceding the insult may be entirely true. Here is an example of an insult used with logical refutation:

TYPICAL CREATIONIST MORON (TCM): The Earth is only 6,500 years old.
ME: No, it's billions of years old [cites evidence]. Oh, and by the way, you smell of kitty litter, and your mother was a female dog of poor breeding.
See the difference? I cited evidence, made an argument, and then insulted the TCM. Of course, I'm not saying that insulting is right, but sometimes you just can't help calling a moron a moron.

HOW TO COUNTER

Inform any observers that your opponent is obviously at a loss to counter your arguments, and happily accept his concession on the point at hand.

SHIFTING THE ONUS OF PROOF: This is when your opponent makes a claim, provides no evidence for it, and then expects you to find evidence of it. Your opponent is making the claim, so he should logically have to provide evidence. Shifting the onus (or burden) of proof to you is a fallacy and a very low tactic to engage in. Often, a Creationist will make phantom claims and, then, act like they are common knowledge and he shouldn't have to back them up.

EXAMPLE

"The Earth was created in seven days by our loving father"
"Evidence?"
"Oh, come on! Everyone knows this, go look it up, if you don't."
That is an example of shifting the onus of proof. The opponent wrongfully forces you to do his research for him. He is obviously too lazy to do it, himself.

HOW TO SPOT

When your opponent starts treating a claim that isn't common knowledge like it is something everyone should know, and you demand proof, only to have him put that task on you, you are having the onus of proof unjustly handed off to you.

HOW TO COUNTER

Point out that your opponent is the one making the claim, not you. Demand that he provide evidence or conceed the point on the basis of zero evidence provided.

THE RED HERRING: This isn't so much a fallacy as it is an evasion tactic. The red herring is similar to a "wild goose chase." When someone leads the debate off on a red herring, they are trying to divert attention away from a particular argument, and toward some inconsequential statement that you may have made, or inventing some tangent to go off on. Creationists often use this when they attack the Big Bang Theory to try and prove evolution wrong. The Big Bang and evolution are completely separate theories, and are not mutually inclusive. The Creationist trying to debate the Big Bang is a red herring.

EXAMPLE

"Evolution is impossible because the Big Bang is a totally unacceptable theory because it defies the word of our loving Creator, He who sent His only Son, our Lord to...[continue with mindless religious yammering ad infinitum]."
The Big Bang has nothing to do with evolution. If it was proven wrong tomorrow, it wouldn't change the fact that organisms evolve to adapt to their environment, or they die.

HOW TO SPOT

This one can often be tricky to spot, because your first instinct is to correct the moron's ranting about the Big Bang. Don't let him lead you off on his tangent. Make sure that your opponent has directly addressed your point before proceeding.

HOW TO COUNTER

Demand that your opponent address your argument. Inform him and all those watching that his response is a simple red herring, meant to divert attention away from arguments that he can't counter.

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Don't say it didn't make sense say you didn't understand it maybe I can help clarify.

To borrow from Buk. I likewise do not believe human consciousness derived from evolution. I believe human consciousness what I was referring too as humanity is beyond the biological realm and therefore beyond evolution. So what makes us human didn't come from the animal kingdom and it didn't come from evolution.

Likewise human consciousness, humanity whatever you want to call it has not been replicated in nature or a lab other than in human beings.

As far as proof the theory of evolution offers no evidence of where awareness/consciousness comes from. Why we posses it and other species seem like they don't. It seems to me that evolutionists assume that it sprang forth magically while I believe it came from a consciousness higher than our own. Maybe one day they will find the "human" gene but as of now they have not.

In reality we are not far apart on our beliefs I honestly just believe most people that dismiss creationism don't ever ask where did humanity come from. I just don't believe it was chance. If it was chance it would happen again.

You didn't prove anything; you're just regurgitating what you've already said. Saying what you believe doesn't prove your point. Without facts, your points are meaningless.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/proof

[proof] –noun
1.
evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.
2.
anything serving as such evidence: What proof do you have?
3.
the act of testing or making trial of anything; test; trial: to put a thing to the proof.
4.
the establishment of the truth of anything; demonstration.
 
wait, before we go completely off course...

...evolution doesn't explain the questions that some of you are asking.

recorded and theorized time only goes back so far.

where did life begin?

the big bang?

that theorizes that all things came from an infinitely dense, small and heavy object that exploded.

question is, where did THAT come from?

ultimately all of it springs from SOME theory, none of it can be definitely proven...so we are discussing our beliefs.

keep it there and we might find some common ground.
 
It didn't come from anywhere it always existed. Before it existed there was no existence.

So according to you it makes no sense that complex consciousness arose in humans due to evolution via natural selection, but it makes perfect sense that a complex disembodied consciousness 'always' existed/came from nowhere?

If this 'supreme being' did not have consciousness given to it by an even higher being, then why should this rule apply to us, especially since there is no really compelling evidence to suggest this?

Btw I'm not saying definitively that there is no being that for lack of a better term we call god, cuz we as humans do not know enough about the universe to make such statements forcefully either way. I am just pointing out the cognitive dissonance in your logic.
 
wait, before we go completely off course...

...evolution doesn't explain the questions that some of you are asking.

recorded and theorized time only goes back so far.

where did life begin?

the big bang?

that theorizes that all things came from an infinitely dense, small and heavy object that exploded.

question is, where did THAT come from?

ultimately all of it springs from SOME theory, none of it can be definitely proven...so we are discussing our beliefs.

keep it there and we might find some common ground.

The Big Bang has nothing to do with evolution and is a logical fallacy. Read the OP's post.

There is no common ground based on beliefs. Beliefs are unsuitable for logical discourse. Facts are true whether you believe them or not.
 
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So according to you it makes no sense that complex consciousness arose in humans due to evolution via natural selection, but it makes perfect sense that a complex disembodied consciousness 'always' existed/came from nowhere?

If this 'supreme being' did not have consciousness given to it by an even higher being, then why should this rule apply to us, especially since there is no really compelling evidence to suggest this?

:lol::lol::lol:I'll be checking back to see the response to this
 
The Big Bang has nothing to do with evolution and is a logical fallacy. Read the OP's post.

the big bang theory and evolution are inextricably connected, as the beginning of life on earth has to be attributed to SOMETHING. in this case according to science abiogenesis occurred under proper conditions from materials that arrived via the Big Bang.

damn, you up in here talking all this stuff and it seems you aren't hip to the rudimentary subject matter were' discussing.

There is no common ground based on beliefs. Beliefs are unsuitable for logical discourse. Facts are true whether you believe them or not.

in the absence of fact there are ONLY beliefs.

did you read what i posted?

NOBODY knows what occurred in the VERY beginning, hell, evolution is theoretic because the tests that need to be done to confirm it CANNOT be done, and its status as fact is all based on observation.

so even based on solid observation, evolution must be defined as theory AND FACT, but not SOLELY FACT.

thats why belief cannot be extricated from this discussion, cause scientific knowledge and facts run out.
 
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