Top 5 All Time ???

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1) Sugar Ray Robinson (173W-109KO-19L-6D-2 No Contest)

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Sugar Ray Robinson was born Walker Smith Jr. in May 3, 1921, and is arguably the best boxers of all time. Robinson has won the Middleweight Championship 5 times. He is known for challenging many great fighters and won against a host of Hall of Fame boxers such as Jake LaMotta, Kid Gavilan, and Rocky Graziano. He made a professional debut on October 4, 1940 and was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1990.



2) Muhammad Ali (56W-37KO-5L)

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Muhammad Ali, born Cassius Marcellus Clay, Jr., January 17, 1942, is a legendary American boxer who has won three heavyweight championships in his career. He is famous for his quote "float like a butterfly, sting like a bee," which aptly described his boxing style. It was unusual that Ali, a heavyweight boxer, relied on foot speed and quickness to avoid punches from his opponents. He has fought with many other outstanding boxers such as Ken Norton, Sonny Liston, George Foreman, Leon Spinks and Joe Frazier. There is no doubt that Ali was one of the most exciting, outspoken, and undefeated boxing sensations in his prime. However, later in life, Ali developed Parkinson's disease.


3) Mike Tyson (50W-6L-44KO-2NC)

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Michael Gerard "Mike" Tyson was born in June 30, 1966. In the 80’s and early 90’s, Tyson was almost unbeatable and was known to knock down the opponents within the first few rounds with his power punch. He was the first heavyweight boxer ever to hold the WBA, WBC and IBF titles simultaneously. Tyson lost his titles in one of the biggest upsets in boxing history to underdog Buster Douglas on February 11, 1990, in Tokyo, Japan. Tyson’s career then went downhill after he was convicted of raping Desiree Washington. Tyson is also famous for biting off a portion of Holyfield's ear during the match in 1997.


4) Joe Louis (68W-54KO, 3L)

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Joseph Louis Barrow was born in May 13, 1914 and passed away in April 12, 1981. He was better known as Joe Louis and was the world heavyweight boxing champion from 1937 to 1949. He is known for his famous quote “he can run, but he can’t hide” and “everyone has a plan until they’ve been hit.” Joe Louis had only 1 true loss, which was against Germany’s Max Schmeling. After the defeat, he retaliated by soundly defeating Schmeling in an incredible first round KO victory. He was ranked number one on The Ring's list of 100 Greatest Punchers of All Time.


5) Roy Jones (49W-38KO, 3L)

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Roy Jones, Jr. was born in January 16, 1969. He is the only boxer in history to begin his career as a junior middleweight and later win a heavyweight title. He accomplished the unbelievable feat of holding the WBC, WBA, IBF, IBO, NABF, WBF and IBA light heavyweight championships simultaneously. In 1997, Jones lost his first professional match in a disqualification against Montell Griffin. He is also known for putting out an album in 2001 titled Round One: The Album and the debut single, “Y’all Must've Forgot.”



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http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/110...ar-ray-robinson-muhammad-ali-mike-tyson_5.htm
 
Mike and Roy do not dseserve to be there...

Henry Armstrong......Marvin Hagler....Ray Leonard....Foreman.....Willie Pep names I would put on that list B4 those 2....
 
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Mike and Roy do not dseserve to be there...

Henry Armstrong......Marvin Hagler....Ray Leonard....Foreman.....names I would put on that list B4 those 2....

Sorry, not Hagler or Leonard either imo. And no top 5 all time list should contain 3 heavyweights. I'm also very iffy on Joe Louis being there.
 
Sorry, not Hagler or Leonard either imo. And no top 5 all time list should contain 3 heavyweights. I'm also very iffy on Joe Louis being there.

No to Hagler and Louis but I can see the argument for Leonard. Not saying he's a lock but I can see the argument.
 
No to Hagler and Louis but I can see the argument for Leonard. Not saying he's a lock but I can see the argument.

So can I, but I'm also pretty sure either one of us could make a strong argument against it as well. It also depends if this is a most talented fighter list, fighters who've made the most impact on the sport list, greatest all-around fighters, greatest defensive fighters, biggest boxing superstars - or is it just plainly the greatest 5 fighters of all time and if so, what criteria are we basing it on? I respect the op's opinion, but I disagree with the last 3. I think Robinson and Ali are pretty much everybody's one and two though so no arguments there. And I could definitely see Po3t's case for Henry Armstrong as well. Every gym I've been in and every old school head I've spoken to, their top five contains Armstrong and Duran.
 
So can I, but I'm also pretty sure either one of us could make a strong argument against it as well. It also depends if this is a most talented fighter list, fighters who've made the most impact on the sport list, greatest all-around fighters, greatest defensive fighters, biggest boxing superstars - or is it just plainly the greatest 5 fighters of all time and if so, what criteria are we basing it on? I respect the op's opinion, but I disagree with the last 3. I think Robinson and Ali are pretty much everybody's one and two though so no arguments there. And I could definitely see Po3t's case for Henry Armstrong as well. Every gym I've been in and every old school head I've spoken to, their top five contains Armstrong and Duran.


Agreed.
I got Leonard over Duran, though.:D
 
I'm going to need Que to come back and defend that one.:D


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Thats why I put the link to the article at the bottom of the post.

On the real, Tyson was absolutely dominant until his dick out boxed him. After that, well, we all know the story. When I read the article, I couldn't believe that Sugar Ray, make em say no mas, Leonard wasn't present -- he was a personal fav, even if not adjudged a top 5'er all time.

QueEx
 
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Thats why I put the link to the article at the bottom of the post.

On the real, Tyson was absolutely dominant until his dick out boxed him. After that, well, we all know the story. When I read the article, I couldn't believe that Sugar Ray, make em say no mas, Leonard wasn't present -- he was a personal fav, even if not adjudged a top 5'er all time.

QueEx

Okay, I missed the link. So you aren't the idiot here. I was about to demand you be banned from this board saying some shit like that.:D
 
Okay, I missed the link. So you aren't the idiot here. I was about to demand you be banned from this board saying some shit like that.:D

Hell, LOL, I'd ban myself ! - - but I agree with you that you could come up with a different list based on the qualifiers, i.e.: "the most impact on the sport list, greatest all-around fighters, greatest defensive fighters, biggest boxing superstars, etc."
 
Agreed.
I got Leonard over Duran, though.:D

Nah. Not me. Too much bullshit goin on with Leonard, the catchweights, the time off in between fights, no Aaron Pryor fight, the Hagler bullshit, the Tommy Hearns rematch bullshit, Donnie Lalonde.:lol::lol: Duran was pure fight and anger personified. Plus the age at which he beat Leonard, back then, was considered old, and he fought for what, 20 more years after that. Dude started his career at 122 and ended at what? 170, having never ducked anybody ever and is the consensus GOAT at lightweight, he's def on my top 5 list.
 
when all 5 of these guys were at their peak, they were all unbeatable...
I know it's not possible, but I'd love to see how some of them would do against each other. Don't care about the outcomes, I'd just like to see the matches
 
I may get clowned for this, basically because little fellas are judged in the same accord as heavyweights, but I can see a case for Ricardo Lopez in this list. Lil Dude dominated his weight class and went undefeated for his entire career. One of the most technically sound fighters I've ever witnessed, both on tape and live...
 
when all 5 of these guys were at their peak, they were all unbeatable...
I know it's not possible, but I'd love to see how some of them would do against each other. Don't care about the outcomes, I'd just like to see the matches

My issue with Tyson is who did he actually beat of note, in their prime, during his career? When he stepped up, he normally got his ass kicked (Holyfield, Lewis, etc). He gets allowances for dominating a bunch of B-Level fighters and the persona he carried. Overall, his body of work is really pretty weak. As wack as RJJ's body of work was, and he definitely doesn't belong in the top 20 much less top 5, he at least beat a prime James Toney and a prime B Hop, both of which are going to the HOF!
 
I may get clowned for this, basically because little fellas are judged in the same accord as heavyweights, but I can see a case for Ricardo Lopez in this list. Lil Dude dominated his weight class and went undefeated for his entire career. One of the most technically sound fighters I've ever witnessed, both on tape and live...

Yo, I'd be with you on that one, dude was a serious craftsmen. It's a shame he got buried by King under Chavez and Trinidad undercards. I swear Marquez took after that dude and probably has watched every single one of his fights a million times.:lol: They're very similar. but I'm sure that has to do with them having Beristain as their trainer as well though. Check out a Brazilian cat named Eder Jofre, I was never up on him until a couple years ago when I read an article in an old boxing mag, where Ali said he was one of the greatest fighters he'd ever seen. A lot of people consider dude the Bantamweight GOAT.
 
Sorry, not Hagler or Leonard either imo. And no top 5 all time list should contain 3 heavyweights. I'm also very iffy on Joe Louis being there.

iffy on Louis seriously?....IMO he is the best HW of All time......he is definitely top 5 ALL TIME IMO.....most title defenses....longest reigning champ.....

Hagler and Leonard over Tyson and Roy YES.....they deserve to be on a list before Mike and Roy......
 
iffy on Louis seriously?....IMO he is the best HW of All time......he is definitely top 5 ALL TIME IMO.....most title defenses....longest reigning champ.....

Hagler and Leonard over Tyson and Roy YES.....they deserve to be on a list before Mike and Roy......

Best heavyweight of all time!!?? Based on what? Beating a lot of slow footed non-athletic white boys? For his time Louis was great, but the heavyweight division really didn't have any greats when he was fighting. The only great fighter he ever beat was Jersey Joe, who was pretty much a cruiserweight at that time, fighting in the low 190's. He beat a lot of white boys and nobodies. I hate to sound like I'm trashing a fighter who did so much for other black fighters who came after, but I guess that's what I'm doing. I mean dude was ko'd by Max Schmeling and was thoroughly out boxed by the great Ezzard Charles. He also had a slow plodding style that imo he got away with because he was fighting slow plodding white guys. But you can't argue with dudes reign, in his era he was the best, but he's been eclipsed at heavyweight since by Ali who fought in probably the best heavyweight era. I can't see a top five list with more than one heavyweight either, Ali will suffice imo. Could you really see Louis beating Ali? I can't even see him beating Larry Holmes let alone Ali. These lists always discount the lower weights anyway.

I do agree with your last statement though wholeheartedly.
 
Best heavyweight of all time!!?? Based on what? Beating a lot of slow footed non-athletic white boys? For his time Louis was great, but the heavyweight division really didn't have any greats when he was fighting. The only great fighter he ever beat was Jersey Joe, who was pretty much a cruiserweight at that time, fighting in the low 190's. He beat a lot of white boys and nobodies. I hate to sound like I'm trashing a fighter who did so much for other black fighters who came after, but I guess that's what I'm doing. I mean dude was ko'd by Max Schmeling and was thoroughly out boxed by the great Ezzard Charles. He also had a slow plodding style that imo he got away with because he was fighting slow plodding white guys. But you can't argue with dudes reign, in his era he was the best, but he's been eclipsed at heavyweight since by Ali who fought in probably the best heavyweight era. I can't see a top five list with more than one heavyweight either, Ali will suffice imo. Could you really see Louis beating Ali? I can't even see him beating Larry Holmes let alone Ali. These lists always discount the lower weights anyway.

I do agree with your last statement though wholeheartedly.

Billy Conn...?

Ali beats Louis no doubt...the rematch with Schmeling....Louis came through with a KO heard around the world....

honestly Ali opponents were better than Louis' opponents.....but nobody can deny his reign ('37-'49)...and still has the most title defenses at any wieght....Ali and Louis are top 5....

Robinson
Armstrong
Ali
Louis
 
Billy Conn...?

Ali beats Louis no doubt...the rematch with Schmeling....Louis came through with a KO heard around the world....

honestly Ali opponents were better than Louis' opponents.....but nobody can deny his reign ('37-'49)...and still has the most title defenses at any wieght....Ali and Louis are top 5....

Robinson
Armstrong
Ali
Louis


Louis is a top 5 heavyweight, even top 3 but on a p4p list, he doesn't fit.
 
Billy Conn...?

Ali beats Louis no doubt...the rematch with Schmeling....Louis came through with a KO heard around the world....

honestly Ali opponents were better than Louis' opponents.....but nobody can deny his reign ('37-'49)...and still has the most title defenses at any wieght....Ali and Louis are top 5....

Robinson
Armstrong
Ali
Louis

I hear you. Not saying he doesn't merit being called great or like Dave said, a top 5 heavyweight, I just don't feel he's the greatest heavyweight ever imho. Oh and Billy Conn was a light heavyweight, good fighter too, but he never actually moved up in weight to fight Louis.
 
I think after Mike's coach died and he served time his career was pretty much over.

Mike deserves to be on that list. He was a crafty and strategic fighter.

Gotta run, can't get in full details now.
 
IMO you can't start a P4P list for Heavyweights and not have Louis 1 or 2.....

If it's a pound for pound list, then any weight class goes, not just heavyweights. To me Louis wasn't skilled enough to go 1 or 2, he's 3rd on my all time heavyweight list. If you want to base it on accomplishments no matter the era, then he's 2nd behind Jack Johnson imo.
 
If it's a pound for pound list, then any weight class goes, not just heavyweights. To me Louis wasn't skilled enough to go 1 or 2, he's 3rd on my all time heavyweight list. If you want to base it on accomplishments no matter the era, then he's 2nd behind Jack Johnson imo.

IDK Merce...Louis wasn't that skilled?...dude had power and hand speed....he lacked footwork, rythm and accuracy of Ali.....

which is why I beleive Ali would beat him...

27 championship fights 11 yrs...only 3 losses and 2 of them was at the end of his career (Ezzard and Rocky)....

who is in your Top 5....?
 
IDK Merce...Louis wasn't that skilled?...dude had power and hand speed....he lacked footwork, rythm and accuracy of Ali.....

which is why I beleive Ali would beat him...

27 championship fights 11 yrs...only 3 losses and 2 of them was at the end of his career (Ezzard and Rocky)....

who is in your Top 5....?

I hear you Po3t, I respect your opinion and like I said, it all depends on what criteria we use to come up with a list. Mine are skills, natural physical talents like speed, power etc..I also take into account the era in which said fighters fought in, like who were their biggest rivals and how they fared against them, which is why Louis and Marciano aren't one and two on my list. If I based my list on just accomplishments, then they would be.

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Larry Holmes
3. Joe Louis
4. Jack Johnson
5. Rocky Marciano

I've got Ali number one for obvious reasons. Holmes second because after Ali, he's the most physically gifted and probably the best all around boxer at the weight. And his 20 title defenses. The next 2 speak for themselves, and I put Marciano on my list for a couple of reasons. First he retired Louis, even though Joe was old, Louis was whuppin his ass but Marciano had the heart of a lion and managed to come back. Secondly he beat Walcott and Ezzard Charles twice, the 2 most skilled heavyweights of their generation. And 3rd, dude had very little physical talent, usually weighed less than a cruiserweight(178-189) and was knocking real genuine heavy's out cold with one punch and managed to go undefeated his entire career while ducking no one.
 
I hear you Po3t, I respect your opinion and like I said, it all depends on what criteria we use to come up with a list. Mine are skills, natural physical talents like speed, power etc..I also take into account the era in which said fighters fought in, like who were their biggest rivals and how they fared against them, which is why Louis and Marciano aren't one and two on my list. If I based my list on just accomplishments, then they would be.

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Larry Holmes
3. Joe Louis
4. Jack Johnson
5. Rocky Marciano

I've got Ali number one for obvious reasons. Holmes second because after Ali, he's the most physically gifted and probably the best all around boxer at the weight. And his 20 title defenses. The next 2 speak for themselves, and I put Marciano on my list for a couple of reasons. First he retired Louis, even though Joe was old, Louis was whuppin his ass but Marciano had the heart of a lion and managed to come back. Secondly he beat Walcott and Ezzard Charles twice, the 2 most skilled heavyweights of their generation. And 3rd, dude had very little physical talent, usually weighed less than a cruiserweight(178-189) and was knocking real genuine heavy's out cold with one punch and managed to go undefeated his entire career while ducking no one.

very good post bruh especially about Holmes and Marciano....

I hear u fam.....

how about your top 5 Pound 4 Pound greatest boxers of all time?
 
very good post bruh especially about Holmes and Marciano....

I hear u fam.....

how about your top 5 Pound 4 Pound greatest boxers of all time?

Man that's a really difficult list right there, so many weight classes, so many eras, great fighters in all of them, my list usually consists of guys who are generally considered the GOAT at their true weight(s).

1. Sugar ray Robinson - from welter to middle, nobody better
2. Muhammad Ali - greatest heavyweight ever
3. Archie Moore - arguably the greatest light-heavy, 181 wins and the most ko's ever
4. Roberto Duran - greatest lightweight of all time
5. Henry Armstrong - Fought at featherweight, lightweight and welterweight and is the only fighter I can think of who is top 5 all time in all those weights

I know, I know, I've got Duran over Hank and Duran is probably the Latino version of Armstrong but Duran's level of competition faced was consistently higher imho, even though Hank fought Robinson and other notables. Duran went to welter and fought everybody in arguably the greatest welterweight-superwelter era of all times. But they are so similar in style, they both have over 100 fights won, both won titles at multiple weights, but like I said, Duran's overall comp was better imo. He started at a lower weight and won the middleweight crown as well, something Hank tried but never managed to do. But I wouldn't be mad at anyone putting Hank even as high as number 2.
 
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