The Diminishing Economic Advantage of a College Degree

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The Diminishing Economic Advantage of a College Degree

June 1, 2010, 4:23 pm

By Richard Vedder
“Necessity is the mother of invention,” Plato allegedly said. The “necessity” of changing economic circumstances will, in my opinion, force universities and policy makers to reconsider the way we certify that people have achieved any given level of competence and skill. One “necessity” that colleges will soon have to face is that the economic advantages conferred by their bachelor’s degrees are starting to erode.

Take employment security. In 1970, in the era before Pell Grants, large scale federal student loans or the idea that “everyone should have some post-secondary education” was fashionable, the unemployment rate among four year college graduates was only about one-fourth that of the general population. If you were a college graduate, you had relatively few worries about not obtaining or losing a job — the unemployment rate was a paltry 1.3 percent.

Fast forward four decades to today. In April 2010, the Bureau of Labor Statistics tells us that the unemployment rate for individuals with at least a bachelor’s degree was 4.9 percent –about one-half the overall unemployment rate. About one-third the job security advantage, as measured by unemployment rates, of going to college has been wiped out. And this is not an artifact of the current weak state of the economy. In the 1982-93 downturn, when overall unemployment rates were actually slightly higher than today, the college unemployment rate was sharply lower (well under four percent).

This should not be surprising. Suppose we had a world where every adult had a bachelor’s degree or more. The unemployment rate among college graduates would, by definition, equal that of the general population. Rising college attainment mathematically almost assures that the college graduation job security advantage will diminish if not disappear. This leads to still more credential inflation as individuals seek to demonstrate their distinctive qualities: will garbage workers in 2050 need a Ph.D. in sanitary engineering to get a job?

The standard argument is that “college graduates are more productive persons, and the income differential associated with four year degrees has risen over time.” That argument’s validity is increasingly questionable, again I think a consequence of college degrees losing their distinctiveness. Historically a bachelor’s degree was a measure of extraordinary or at least above average career potential. That view may be undergoing revision. For example, the mean annual pay of females with bachelor degrees was 79.4 percent higher than their high school graduate counterparts in 2000, but that differential actually declined, albeit modestly, to 76.7 percent, by 2008. At the same time the cost of college education was rising in real terms and as a percent of family incomes, the financial advantages for women associated with a degree were stagnant, implying a falling rate of return on investing in a bachelor’s degree.

We are engaging in massive credential inflation. Whereas in 1940 it was perfectly respectable for persons with less than a high school education to deliver the mail and unknown for college graduates to do the same, by 2010 almost all mail carriers had a least a high school education and probably close to one in five has a four year degree (we are awaiting the 2010 Census data for the exact figure). Moreover, as more go to college, standards inevitably suffer, as the results of the National Literacy Survey conducted roughly decennially indicate.

We are spending ever larger amounts of money as a nation trying to demonstrate that we are good, bright, disciplined, and hard working — qualities traditionally associated with college graduation. The costs are becoming so large that entrepreneurs and others may look for alternative ways of certifying competence and skills. Some possibilities include:

· Making more use of non-college testing of skills, perhaps including standardized exams akin to those used to confer the Certified Public Accountant designation;

· More use of formal short training programs run by private firms or employers that certify competence in specific areas of expertise — trade schools if you will;

· The use of a national examination similar to a governmental civil service examination to measure general intellectual abilities and knowledge;

· Increased use of college-level courses for able high school students, perhaps eliminating the senior year in high school completely for the most qualified, trying to make the college degree cheaper;

· The reduction in the bachelor’s degree to three years similar to European countries (although Europeans probably have better pre-college training than Americans).

These ideas all have their problems. For example, the use of employer testing, which I find a highly efficient of screening workers for competence, potentially dramatically lowering the cost to society of skill certification, was severely circumscribed by the Griggs v. Duke Power (1971) Supreme Court decision and subsequent legislation. Perhaps it is time to revisit legislation in that area. Yet doing so would reopen old wounds relating to civil rights, governmental intrusion into hiring decisions, etc.

But let’s face it. Our population is aging, and given our highly inefficient third party payment method of financing health care, those costs are soaring, crowding out public spending on higher education. Our nation is deeply in debt, with investors openly wondering if the sovereign debt of the U.S. government may ultimately be downgraded as to credit quality. The costs of certifying competency of young Americans are rising too fast for too many people for too long of a time period. In this type of environment, innovations designed to lower college costs or define alternative ways of certifying skills are increasingly needed and economically nearly an imperative.
 
Ok great so what about the people who have NO degree at all. I'd rather have a Degree and a gang of experience than NO degree just because some stupid article say's it's bullshit. What a bunch of crap. Just admit you're a lazy POS that hates college. Good luck. If a degree don't mean shit, then a person with nothing is less shit. Why do people keep stressing the degree with money? Nobody cares about learning and meeting people anymore? Fucking idiots.
 
Ok great so what about the people who have NO degree at all. I'd rather have a Degree and a gang of experience than NO degree just because some stupid article say's it's bullshit. What a bunch of crap. Just admit you're a lazy POS that hates college. Good luck. If a degree don't mean shit, then a person with nothing is less shit. Why do people keep stressing the degree with money? Nobody cares about learning and meeting people anymore? Fucking idiots.

:lol: lol are you serious? if you read any of my posts about education, you'd see how much my education (and it's return) dwarfs yours.
 
tell that to the people who barely made it through high school and are losing their factory jobs day after day

tell that to the detroit father/mother who has worked in the detroit car plants for 20+years and sees some snot nosed punk come in fresh out of college giving him orders and making more money all because they have a degree
 
its not always what you know but who u know. i have 3 brothers with college degrees and they currently work in a career field that has nothing to do with what they graduated with.
 
tell that to the people who barely made it through high school and are losing their factory jobs day after day

tell that to the detroit father/mother who has worked in the detroit car plants for 20+years and sees some snot nosed punk come in fresh out of college giving him orders and making more money all because they have a degree
tell that to the 1,000s of people with degrees working at Footlocker or Sprint.
 
:lol: lol are you serious? if you read any of my posts about education, you'd see how much my education (and it's return) dwarfs yours.

I wasn't talking to you, I'm talking to the writer of that article. By the way unless you have an M.D or D.O., well..
 
tell that to the 1,000s of people with degrees working at Footlocker or Sprint.

There's more people with Degree's who are more successful than those without. A degree lets you build on it. No degree = stuck in the same shitty job. A degree you can go back and get advanced degree's.
 
There's more people with Degree's who are more successful than those without. A degree lets you build on it. No degree = stuck in the same shitty job. A degree you can go back and get advanced degree's.
That's true of course, but I guess we're talking economic advantage here, and there are cheaper ways to be successful than a degree. Even though I have a degree, I have always thought it wasn't worth it. I wouldn't say it to everybody, my Suma Cum Laude friend says the economic advantage of the degree is not worth it. That shit blew my mind that we felt the same way, and when He said that, I knew there was some truth to the statement.
 
That's true of course, but I guess we're talking economic advantage here, and there are cheaper ways to be successful than a degree. Even though I have a degree, I have always thought it wasn't worth it. I wouldn't say it to everybody, my Suma Cum Laude friend says the economic advantage of the degree is not worth it. That shit blew my mind that we felt the same way, and when He said that, I knew there was some truth to the statement.

I couldn't go to Medical School with No BA. I guess niggas don't care about becoming Doctors or Lawyers anymore. :hmm:
 
tell that to the 1,000s of people with degrees working at Footlocker or Sprint.

in today's world you need some kind of formal training or education. the days of graduating high school marrying the head cheerleader have 2.5 kids a dog and a white picket fence and retiring with a great pension are over.
 
There's more people with Degree's who are more successful than those without. A degree lets you build on it. No degree = stuck in the same shitty job. A degree you can go back and get advanced degree's.

Dr Chink tells truth... Do not listen to the crap. Education makes a great difference..
 
its not always what you know but who u know. i have 3 brothers with college degrees and they currently work in a career field that has nothing to do with what they graduated with.

Just having a degree shows employers that you are able to see a task to the FINISH and you are able to LEARN. Many many people have degrees in general and work in fields that have nothing to do with their degree.

You won't see it happen with people who have professional or technical degrees though (engineer, doctor, lawyer, etc...). The highest paid and most specialized.

I remember Leo LaPorte from the screensavers saying me majored in Chinese in college...yet look at what he is doing and has done. Nothing to do with majoring in a language.

People who do crossover and don't have a BS and just a BA only tend to "dabble" in other fields. To go a lot further, you need that specialization in the sciences and that strong math background.
 
in today's world you need some kind of formal training or education. the days of graduating high school marrying the head cheerleader have 2.5 kids a dog and a white picket fence and retiring with a great pension are over.
I didn't say to just graduate high school and go into the work force. There are more ways of receiving training than college. In my opinion, college should be the last step, unless you want to be a doctor or engineer or something. Anything else, associates degree first. Workforce, certifications, then if you need a degree to advance within the field, then do that in that order.
 
A degree doesn't guarantee you a job, there are all kinds of lazy and stupid people that bullshitted their way through school and aren't doing shit right now because they didn't have a plan for life. But a degree now is more important than it has every been for someone trying to get ahead in corporate America. There is 10 times the competition for a job now and the first eliminating factor is "Degree". Jobs you could have gotten 10 years ago w/o a degree are nearly impossible to get now w/o a degree.
 
I didn't say to just graduate high school and go into the work force. There are more ways of receiving training than college. In my opinion, college should be the last step, unless you want to be a doctor or engineer or something. Anything else, associates degree first. Workforce, certifications, then if you need a degree to advance within the field, then do that in that order.

that method use to work when there weren't many candidates in the fields but now that they fields are so saturated it has become harder to work your way up that way.
 
here's one thing thats true.

in this new economy, it makes more sense to get specialized training in a certain discipline and some experience than it does to float through college on some aimless shit.

if you arent going to school with focus and a strong plan, dont waste your time. you are gonna get trampled on in this job market.

college doesnt make sense unless you know how to make it make sense. shits not autopilot like it used to be.
 
that method use to work when there weren't many candidates in the fields but now that they fields are so saturated it has become harder to work your way up that way.
Not true at all. For a help desk job, an IT grad with an a+ cert with an associates and experience will get a help desk job over guy with Bachelors in Criminal Justice with no experience no certs.
 
There's more people with Degree's who are more successful than those without. A degree lets you build on it. No degree = stuck in the same shitty job. A degree you can go back and get advanced degree's.

Ur right. This really should just end the thread
 
I didn't say to just graduate high school and go into the work force. There are more ways of receiving training than college. In my opinion, college should be the last step, unless you want to be a doctor or engineer or something. Anything else, associates degree first. Workforce, certifications, then if you need a degree to advance within the field, then do that in that order.

Lower class.
 
Not true at all. For a help desk job, an IT grad with an a+ cert with an associates and experience will get a help desk job over guy with Bachelors in Criminal Justice with no experience no certs.

:lol::lol::lol:

no shit but that is not what you said nor what i highlighted in your statement

what i said is it is harder for a kid to enter the workforce then get some certs or more training and work his/her way up to a better job than it was in the past because there is an over saturation of people with those desired skills looking to move into those positions.

anyway it's game time i will get back to this thread later
 
I said this shit last year, and now it is starting to come true. I said that jobs are like trains at a train station, as soon as someone retires, dies or quits a job, they are replaced by another train pulling up to the platform, or kids who are of age ready to enter the job market. This system works quit well and has been working well for decades.
But if there is a train wreck, like the one we experienced via the market crash, its like a train crashing at the station, while the next wave of train is rushing at full speed causing another crash, then the next wave of graduates ready to enter the market, comes rushing full speed, causing another crash over and over again.
In real life under these circumstances, what needs to happen is a slow down, so that all the debris can be cleaned up, how ever in order to do this in the job market, the very people themselves have to be eliminated in order to free up the congestion.
This is why I take the possibility of population reduction very serious.
 
Ok. Sprint store managers with degrees and experience make $9k a month. So what's your point?
Clearly I'm not talkin about a manager. I'm talking associates with degrees working retail because they can't find other work. If you happen to make assistant manager, you might pull down $34,000 but that aint exactly everybody's idea of a good job. That's just a job to take to say you got money coming in.
 
Ok great so what about the people who have NO degree at all. I'd rather have a Degree and a gang of experience than NO degree just because some stupid article say's it's bullshit. What a bunch of crap. Just admit you're a lazy POS that hates college. Good luck. If a degree don't mean shit, then a person with nothing is less shit. Why do people keep stressing the degree with money? Nobody cares about learning and meeting people anymore? Fucking idiots.

*snot dripping from nose and bottom lip dangling*

"...awww nigga, fuck a college edumacation nigga... it's all about that hustle nigga... I got mop buckets and a lawnmower out the garage and now I'm my own boss nigga... "
 
*snot dripping from nose and bottom lip dangling*

"...awww nigga, fuck a college edumacation nigga... it's all about that hustle nigga... I got mop buckets and a lawnmower out the garage and now I'm my own boss nigga... "

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
Ok. Sprint store managers with degrees and experience make $9k a month. So what's your point?

I call BULLSHIT, I have a family member who is a store manager and unless this nigga is straight lying about his job/or is getting beat in the head by the higher ups, he doesnt make 9K a month.
 
there is a kind of education bubble happening, more and more people are getting MBAs, MA etc. College degrees are nowhere as prestigious as they were traditionally.
its more to help get your foot in the door nowadays.
 
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