The Official BGOL " All About Women" Thread....

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The Official BGOL " All About Women and Relationships" Thread....Speak On Them !!!!!!

Man over the last couple of months I've gotten a wealth of knowledge on how to deal with chicks on here....you young fellas better take notes b/c If I had some dudes telling me stuff like this back in the day it would've saved me ample trouble !!

Luckily I wised up..lol



You can look at it like sports

Women in their 30's still think they have the value of a number one draft pick who is in their prime. When they were in their prime and got drafted they were selfish and held out because they were like I don't want to play on that team(average good guy)even though their skill set would have matched perfectly with this team(good guy). Instead they decided to force a trade and sign on draft day to play for the glamorous team(bad guy/playa)in which their skill set was a terrible match. They end up on a team with bad chemistry and complain why they are not winning(married). They end up getting traded to another team with the same results. Now when you look back at their 13 year career. She was a parade All American number one draft pick who never won anything(married) been traded to 8 different teams(Passed around by niggas) and injuries that hold her back(kids)While the second draft pick took the opportunity to play with the first team(good guy) and won multiple titles(married with a great husband/family)

Now they are in their 30's and still trying to reup that number one draft pick money. Teams(niggas) laugh at her silly ass offers..and offer her the vet minimum(Jump Off)


From the Thread: http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?p=8573578#post8573578


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I learned the hard way that alot of women who try to dominate the conversations/media about dating, especially as it pertains to black folks, are just trying to cover up the tracks left behind by the amount of aint shit women who use, abuse, and disregard men....then write articles like the op's post to justify it....

when many women complain about how men treat them, they arent complaining because they want it to change (if they did they would leave him), they are complaining to gain sympathy (from other men) so they know they have a backup plan in the wings......also, the desires and complaints only apply to the men they find attractive...even if they overestimate their own desireability...


my biggest issue with women like this is that they will ignore men that they qualify as "nice guys" while they are young and hot, but then seek them out and use them when they get old and their pussy has light years on it while they play victim in order to hide the fact that they couldnt trap a man successfully...they are somewhat sociopathic in that way....the article is funny though, it blames some men for actually listening to women, changing and then dealing with the consquences....

Thread: http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=512105


Feel Free to talk about anything in regards to relationships..advice...or random thoughts....This place is a haven of pretty good advice and intelligent brothers with great mindsets.....Post Away !
 
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The disappearing nice guy
By Audrey Irvine, CNN
STORY HIGHLIGHTS

* Audrey Irvine wonders why nice guys are so hard to find
* She says bad boys shower women with attention that they can't resist
* Irvine thinks nice guys ought to demand better treatment from women they admire

RELATED TOPICS

* Dating
* Hugh Grant
* Relationships

Editor's note: Audrey Irvine is a senior assignment manager for CNN. Her experiences in the dating world inspire her "Relationship Rant" column. Check back every week for her take on dating and relationships.

Atlanta, Georgia (CNN) -- Too often my male "fans" (I consider you fans because you're reading the column, right?) have voiced the criticism that I'm a man-hating feminist who only writes mean columns about men.

Well this column is an ode to the disappearing nice guy. Why? It's simple, women don't know how to identify and appreciate the nice guy. Instead women are drawn to arrogant, self-absorbed, assertive men who jockey for our attention. As a result, women's frail egos live for the attention and inevitably end up with the wrong guy.

Today's dating scene has become one that puts focus on the wrong things. It's all about what you own as opposed to what's inside someone's heart. Let's see, we no longer own cell phones, we have iPhones and smartphones. It's not about your home anymore; it's all about the McMansion and how many unoccupied bedrooms you have.

In certain cities, specifically Atlanta and Washington, there is an undercurrent of "bling" that undermines the dating scene and the ability for wonderful people to find each other.

The nice guy doesn't travel in posses, hunting to see how many digits he can score in an evening. The nice guy isn't the one sending over the drink at the bar, because he's concerned about sending the wrong message. The nice guy isn't just talking about himself but actually asking informative questions about the women he's interested in.

The nice guys get lost in the dating shuffle because they choose to be obscure, waiting for the right opportunity to make that connection. The nice guy is virtually obsolete to single women because unless you are introduced to one, they seem practically extinct.

How many times have women said, "I just want a nice guy who can appreciate me for who I am?" We women are hypocrites, because we usually fall for the guy who is doing everything in his power to get noticed.

One of the best dates I had with a nice guy involved a simple gesture. When it snows in Atlanta, which can be anything from half an inch to 5 inches, the city shuts down. This nice guy knew I was snowed in at home and offered to take me to lunch.

Yes, this nice guy braved slick roads simply to go to lunch. We talked for hours and then he brought me home. No hidden agenda, no expectations and the phone call the next day wasn't about what he did. It was effortless; he had a nice time and wanted to see me again. This came naturally to him and didn't require some over-the-top gesture.

A bad boy whom I had been enamored of in the past -- you know what he did? He called three days later asking if I had survived the snowy weather! Thanks for caring!

Now nice guys, I do have a bone to pick with you. One of the reasons that you so often remain urban myths is you don't celebrate your nice guy status and stand up to women.

Instead, you fall for that age-old trick, you settle for being that woman's friend. It's a trap. If you feel something more than friendship for a woman and she's willing to just relegate you to "friend status," you need to cut the cord.

One of my favorite movies is "Notting Hill" with Julia Roberts and Hugh Grant. In the movie, Grant's character is the consummate nice guy. He's accommodating, sincere, considerate and absolutely adores Julia Roberts' character. She loves him, appreciates him, takes him for granted, dumps him but in the end realizes all along what a special person was in front of her and they live happily ever after.

Nice guys, that's a fairy tale. If a woman cannot appreciate you immediately and realize you are worth spending time with, then stand up to her and do not settle for the crumbs she's leaving you. You will end up spending money on what you view as dates and what she ends up using as free therapy sessions to tell YOU all about her unappreciative bad boy suitors.

To the disappearing nice guy, 2010 is your time to shine. Stop settling for women who don't appreciate your gifts. Don't be afraid to walk away from women who want to use you as a supplement to help pick up the pieces after being dogged by another egomaniac.

Women, open your eyes and hearts to the guy who isn't falling all over you. He might be a hidden gem just waiting to be loved.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/personal/03/25/rr.disappearing.nice.guys/index.html
 
Men ditch 'nice guy' style, get more dates
By Stephanie Chen, CNN
STORY HIGHLIGHTS

* Some guys want to avoid being prematurely lumped into the nice guy category
* Dating coaches say being too nice can drive women away and appear weak
* Relationship experts are advising men to stop being as predictable and flexible
* "I find that when the guy is sweet and polite ... it throws the balance off," one woman said

RELATED TOPICS

* Relationships
* Sexuality
* Marriage

Atlanta, Georgia (CNN) -- Dean Melcher was the kind of guy who befriended girls easier than boys. He was a tad shy, consistently thoughtful and surrounded by women, but he still couldn't get a girlfriend.

"I think I was kind of clueless and oblivious," admits Melcher, who spent his early 20s lingering in the friend zone. "Women wanted the bad boys."

Everyone probably knows a Mr. Nice Guy like Melcher, who is now 46. He's the guy who patiently listens to a girl complain without interrupting her. Because of his sweet nature, he puts the girl's demands first, altering his weekend plans to fit her schedule. He may be uneasy about making a decision for fear of being domineering.

But after all his diligent efforts to be a gentleman, she turns him down, and he is left to wonder: Do nice guys finish last?

"Girls might say they want a nice guy, but what they really want is the cool guy," said Arthur Malov, founder of New York Dating Coach, a relationship consulting agency with primarily male clients. "A jerk is rarely so bad that no one wants to hook up with him."

Now, some single guys are taking steps to avoid being lumped into the nice guy category. Malov's agency, which coaches single men from all over the U.S. and as far away as Japan and Norway, instructs clients to steer away from the polished, predictable image. The dating coach tells men to stop being so available and flexible. He advises the men to leave a little mystery because women, despite what they say, do desire the chase.

Malov says the nice-guy persona is the No. 1 problem cited by his male clients, and he explains why, using the game of poker.

"A lot of nice guys are showing all his cards and saying, 'What should I do?' " he says. "After that, nothing happens."

The Modern Man, a company based in Australia that provides dating advice, suggests a similar anti-nice guy solution: Stop wasting money on expensive dates, and don't always cater to her needs first.

"Realize that women don't want you to hand over your power by being a Mr. Nice Guy in return for their affection, love and attention," said Dan Macon, who runs The Modern Man. "Sure, women want you to show them respect and love, but they also want you to be a man and take charge. If you can't do that, women won't want to be with you."

Neil Strauss, author of the "The Game," a best-seller that explores ways for men to pick up women, once found himself in the Mr. Nice Guy category. He was friends with a girl he liked. He was painting her walls one time when she left to go on a date with another guy. Strauss quickly figured out that women desire someone who is kind but also has a backbone and is confident.

"The dichotomy isn't between good guys or bad guys," he explained. "It's between weak guys and strong guys."

Being a nice guy has always backfired in relationships, says 21-year-old David, a University of Connecticut student who declined to give his last name. He said he used to put women on a pedestal -- giving them thoughtful gifts and taking them out to fancy dinners. But he stopped doing those things over the last two months and made himself less available. He's not trying to be cocky or mean to women, but his new attitude is getting him more dates.

"I'm starting to think: What should someone offer me?" he said.

Robert Glover, author of the 2003 book "No More Mr. Nice Guy," says the nice guy personality is usually developed at a young age and is probably shaped by the guy's parents. For example, he found some men with the nice guy persona were heavily influenced by their mothers. Other men were trying to avoid a macho-male personality or philandering behavior displayed by the father.

As a licensed counselor in Washington, he's listened to many men groan about being in the nice guy rut. Glover said that nice guys, like himself, were often nonconfrontational and constantly seeking approval -- both destructive behaviors in a relationship. Being too nice landed him in divorce court.

"In general, women like the tension, or they will lose interest quickly," he said.

This nice guy backlash may sound unpleasant, but some men blame women who disregard the nice guy as an option. Some women interviewed say they equate a nice guy with being a boring guy. Others used words like "marshmallow," "doormat" and even "creeper."

Academic studies have reaffirmed that women prefer the bad boy archetype over the nice guy. A 2008 study at New Mexico State University in Las Cruces examined how college students perceived "dark" traits such as thrill-seeking behavior, deceitfulness and narcissism. The study found the female students preferred the males with these traits.

In her seven years of dating coach experience, Lisa Shield of Los Angeles, California, discovered that a majority of female clients prefer a man with edge who draws boundaries. Her clients reject nice guys as too malleable.

"I find that when the guy is sweet and polite, I tend to become the more masculine of the two of us," said 39-year-old Lisa Lyons of California. "It throws the balance off."

Despite this attitude, some dating coaches say that women should keep an open mind. The negative stereotypes of a nice guy aren't always true; the men aren't always timid or easy pushovers. While the nice guys may not be as forward or loud, their selfless personality can be valuable to a lasting relationship, they say.

Being Mr. Nice Guy worked to Melcher's advantage when he met his future wife when he was 23. She strolled into the bank where he worked one day, and he seemed nice, so she asked him out to coffee that day -- a date that would evolve into a successful marriage.

Sometimes, all it takes is for the girl to give the nice guy a chance.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/04/14/mr.nice.guy.backlash/index.html?hpt=C2
 
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Hmm we're gonna have to agree to disagree on that one. 98.9% of the time, the girl will fuck the new guy to confirm the new "relationship" THEN she'll leave the original guy officially. Women don't just leave and be alone ever. They are like swinging monkeys. They make sure they have a firm grip on the new branch before letting go of the other. I'm speaking in terms of relationships with any decent length. This is how they end. She's not gonna be alone by herself like a guy, they just switch it up. Guys just don't like to think about their girl fucking another guy, but they do and they WILL eventually. For a girl to have no dick, a guy would have to leave her randomly in the "honeymoon" part of the relationship, and even then she'll be fucking again in week or two, maybe even less. One last thing to think about, if women were "faithful" for real, we'd never be able to pick up girls pretty much, because most of them have a boyfriend when they meet you. Real women will admit the dynamics I just explain in this post.

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http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/07/31/10-things-i’ll-teach-my-sons-about-women/


Sometimes the truth is not comfortable.

So if you’re not comfortable with a reality that betrays our ideals, don’t read on.

The most important thing I’ve learned about women is that you’ve got to be indifferent to their attempts at harnessing you in an emotional net and controlling you. Sounds harsh, but you’re the man. You need to be in charge of yourself. You should not be controlled. You need to lead. You need to make decisions. Forget all the nonsense about equality. Women don’t want that, even if they say that they do (duplicity of intentions is not uncommon in relationships).

What’s important is to understand how women operate at a biological and emotional level. Ultimately, women are not looking for nice guys. They are looking for strong, confident, powerful men. Men who make them feel secure… comfortable. This makes sense from an evolutionary perspective as women needed men they could rely on to protect both them and their children.

So don’t fall victim to the stories about intentions… the narratives about what they need… the pleas for a nice man. It’s tough. But if you forget everything else, remember this one rule: don’t let a woman ever gain control over you at an emotional level. Don’t let her push you around with guilt or pleas for sympathy. Stand up to her when she’s wrong. There’s nothing wrong with providing comfort or offering a compliment… in fact, you should master these skills … but don’t let her manipulate you into giving them. At that point she’s controlling you.

The story you’ll hear preached from the rafters of our society is that women are just looking for a few nice [read: controllable] men. Reject this narrative at all costs.

Instead, focus on being a man. Confident and capable. And don’t be afraid to embrace the higher virtues like humility (just don’t confuse it with cowardice) and strength (but reject the self-obsessed pride that destroys so many celebrities). Women don’t necessarily need these things, but remember, your goal should be to become a great man, not a poser who’s trying to pick up women.

You must become the man you want to become without regard to women… it is only then that you will find that the task of gaining and keeping the attraction of a woman is as simple as breathing. And by doing this you can beat the jerks and the thugs (the one’s who get all the girls) at their own game.

The man who spends his life catering to every whim and fancy and emotional confusion that the average women goes through is quite simply not going to be able to attract or hold onto that woman for very long. He will be used and abused and have his heart broken. There’s no reason to go through this.

So, with that introduction, here are the ten things that I hope my boys come to understand about relating to women.

1. Be confident

Women are attracted to confidence. The irony is that your confidence should not be for the sake of women. It should be natural. Make yourself the best man you can be. Let your confidence derive from who you are. Aim to be the best man you can be simply because that’s who you want to be.

Biologically (and thus subconsciously) women gravitate towards big, strong men or men with confident personalities (sometimes coming through in humor, but humor isn’t necessary). Both of these are ancient signals that the man will help her offspring survive (remember, women are motivated and act at a subconscious level, even if they don’t agree at a conscious level).

2. Smile at rejection

Historically, women have been the rejectors and male the pursuers. This is just how the world works. Like it or not, you’ve got to be thick skinned and realize that rejection is just part of the deal for men.

The good news is that unlike the past, there are billions of women out there. So just move on. Don’t let rejection rock your confidence. Learn, improve, and move on.

You can treat rejection the same way you treat the training for a sport. A necessary evil.

3. Maintain other interests

Never allow a woman to consume all of your thoughts or all of your time. Harder said then done. But there are a number of reasons that you should maintain other interests (hobbies, friends, etc.)

The most important reason is that by having a life outside of your relationship or your obsession, you won’t fall hard when the relationship ends. It helps you stay grounded. It helps you move on when the time comes.

Remember: you never want to be consumed by a woman, because then she’s in control. And she really doesn’t want that. Trust me.


4. Enjoy the company of guys *pause/no homo*

Make sure to have a core group of guy friends that you spend time with on a regular basis. Have fun. Be active. Be a guy. Tell dirty jokes.

And never abandon your guy friends for a woman. If the woman tries to dominate your time, it’s time to move on. It may be hard, but the minute the woman starts trying to control you like she’s your mother, the relationship is stale and it’s time to get the hell out of dodge.

5. Understand hypergamy

At a biological (subconscious) level women are always trying to upgrade. Men have a hard time understanding this because for most men, at a subconscious level, all that matters is that a woman have a certain level of fitness. Any woman who meets that threshold is fair game. Doesn’t matter if she’s an upgrade or downgrade.

With women it is different. Women are constantly keeping their eyes out for an upgrade (usually in the form of acquiring more power). But they are also constantly keeping their eyes on other women that might be a threat to their current situation (flirting with other women on occasion, within view of your partner, is a great way to fight hypergamy).

So why does this matter? Well, because awareness is the key here. Don’t for a second think that the girl you are with transcends her biological nature. Be prepared. Women are not nearly as innocent as the media portrays.

But it matters even more because you can do things to control hypergamy. 1) don’t be a pushover 2) don’t give her emotional control over you (once she’s dominated you, she’ll definitely start looking for the next guy) 3) keep relationships with other women and flirt from time to time

Most importantly, prepare yourself for reality. Don’t get caught of guard. Know what you want. Keep an eye out. Confront. And be prepared to walk away.

6. Be ready to let go

There are a billion fish in the sea. There is no one woman who was made just for you. Don’t buy the Disney nonsense. Sure, there are some women who will fit your personality better than others and certainly some that will be more attractive than others. But the sea is so large… don’t despair.

The minute your girlfriend or partner starts jerking you around or treating you like she’s your mother or using shaming language of any kind or just acts like an entitled princess, it’s a sign that it’s time to walk away. But there might be other signs too. Is the girlfriend spending too much time with other guys? Let her. But not on your dime. Don’t think. Just end it. And once you end it, stick to your guns. Be patient. You won’t have to wait too long for the next potential “friend” to come along.

7. Enjoy the company of other women

Remember, you’re the man. You’re in charge of your life. And really, at a biological level (forget the socio-cultural sublayer), that’s how she wants it. Keep female friends. Keep your girlfriend on her toes. Give her subtle cues that, sure you’ve chosen to be with her, but you could also walk away at any moment and replace her.

Oh, and don’t hesitate to flirt with other women from time to time. It’s the antidote to hypergamy.

8. Get good at something

Gaining skill is about the best confidence builder there is. Men need to build, to create, to invent, to solve problems. I don’t care if it’s learning how to play the guitar (the obvious chick magnet) or learning how to hunt deer (less so). Find something you enjoy and throw yourself into mastering it. And don’t get in the habit of giving up. Learning is a long process and often it takes a lifetime. Just stick with it and keep working through those plateaus.

By having a skill or a set of skills, you will gain independence and self-reliance. You will feel confidence in your abilities. And you will always have something to fall back on and gain comfort from if the people in your life fail you.

9. Ditch the nice guy stuff

A friend once said to me: “Things changed when I became a nice guy. Women started to hate me.”

Your goal is not to be nice. Your goal is to be a confident you. There’s no need to be an arrogant prick or a bad boy. You can beat the thugs and pricks and bad boys at their own game. All they have going is that women perceive them to be strong, confident men. And that’s what women want. You can outdo them by being strong and confident and smart.

Oh, one other thing. It’s out of fashion, but you shouldn’t be afraid to maintain the high ground as an honorable gentleman. A guy who treats his woman well, but who also isn’t afraid to walk away with dignity when she starts playing games.

10. Your body matters

Screw the nonsense that it’s what’s inside that counts. Sure, in an ideal world, that would be true. But this is not an ideal world. That’s one thing I am certain of.

Treat your body like a hobby. Turn it into the most fit machine you possibly can, but have fun with it. Go for hikes. Enjoy nature. Learn to gain peace from solitude. Eat the fuel your body needs. Don’t put junk in the gas tank. Eat lots of meat, vegetables and nuts and drink lots of water.

And do it for yourself. Not the women.

Bonus: Most women don’t want to be reasoned with about everything. Not that you won’t find a rare gem of a woman (like your mom:-) who loves reason and is governed by it. But don’t count on it. Most women prefer to consent via the emotions (“does it feel right?”). If you want something, lead her there. Make it feel right. Want a gun in the house? Focus on the emotions related to security. Women want to feel safe and secure, so make sure she knows you’re getting the gun to protect the family.
 
She is an ALCOHOLIC ANYWAY.........but for 4 years i was her provider and MAN


SHE FUCKED A NIGGA FROM HER JOB.................now she act like she never knew me..........She from tha BRONX originally..........and i guess she heartless as FUCK.............I TRIED TO BE ALL "BGOL" about it............but i guess im really feeling "ATTACHMENT" issues...........so FUCK IT CLOWN ME SAY SOMETHING...........anything...........i dont care............im fucked up:confused:




I've discovered more and more recently women think they are 'ENTITLED' to every damn thing. I had a chick outright get pissed because I wouldn't run straight into a relationship with her after she had just got out a 12 year marriage and has a kid (I've had neither)....then had the audacity to call me the villain....because I couldn't define 'in-between'

Women are completely mad these days..don't worry about it bro and like the other fella said you focus on you. Just b/c a woman has the wet-box..doesn't mean she calls the shots....women simply fail to realize there are less men than women so their chances of landing a good fella consistently goes down over time...If you treated her right she'll be back..trust me..she will...but by that time you'll be LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG--------> Gone.


My brother remember 'your worth' a brother doing well for himself WILL ALWAYS HOLD THE CARDS...even though society plays up the role they don't.

Stay Strong my friend !

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[The Dating Guru]

We’ve all heard on Oprah, CNN, ABC News, and the Washington Post that 70% of Black women are single, and 42% are unmarried.

We’ve even recently heard a young Black woman, Helena Andrews, say that she is successful, Black and lonely and that “Bitch is the New Black”.

Helena’s story is probably the most heartfelt as I can relate to her, when I was in my 20s that is… but now at 40, I can say that there are many things that I have learned about Black men and two that stand out the most are that: (1) “Being a bitch” was never going to get me the love I desired from Black men. (Note: Being a bitch as in being mean, argumentative, hard to get along with, bitter, etc.); and (2) Our "credentials" don't attract men! Just because WE feel that we are successful, independent, professional and educated doesn’t mean that’s we’re attractive to men, or even datable for that matter. I have learned that it is our EXTERIOR that gets a man's attention --smile, look, personality, non-bitchy attitude, confidence and overall attractiveness-- and our INTERIOR --our love for God, family, friends, being honest, supportive, respectful, emotionally stable, goal-oriented -- that keeps a man coming back for more.

Even though many news organizations have provided the statistics I mentioned above, I’ve rarely seen these media outlets offer any real solutions. In fact, I’ve yet to hear anyone really explain the REAL reasons so many Black women are single, as it's much more complicated than the “numbers.”

I personally don’t believe in allowing the media to exploit this issue and give an appearance that Black people have issues and challenges that we cannot solve on our own. As a single, successful Black woman, I refuse to allow the media to make me feel bad or desperate about the plight of the “single Black female,” especially given the personal and professional success sistas have made in a male-dominated world.

So, Black men and women, WE can facilitate our own discussion on this challenge and identify real solutions that work for us. I’ll begin by offering this 2-part article to address this challenge. In Part 1, discuss the real reasons why so many Black women are single--because you know the media isn’t telling the whole story and in Part 2, I will offer 10 practical solutions for women who are looking to find a “good man.” Please feel free to share other suggestions.

The Real Reasons So Many Black Women are Single:

Some of the reasons could apply to women that are not Black, but the focus of this article is on Black women because that’s all we keep hearing about in the media these days.

There are many factors that have lead to why so many Black women are single, but I believe the most significant factors are listed below:

1. The Black Man Shortage (as I read on Essence.com): 42% of Black women are unmarried. 70% of professional Black women are single. The numbers don’t lie and there is a real gap between “datable” Black women and men. Even if there is some degree of inaccuracy in the numbers, if you just talk to Black women, many will agree that there are some challenges finding a “good Black man, ” that is, one that is not behind prison bars, gay, or with other races. I’m also fully aware of this challenge due to the number of Black women who write me about it every week. So, the statistics do play a role in this challenge, but it does not tell the whole story. Please read on.

2. Too Many Black Women Have Bought Into the Stereotypes On Who They Are: The perception that Black women are hard to get along with, mean, bitchy, argumentative, bitter, etc., has become a reality for too many Black women. I know, because I used to be that way and still have relapses on occasion but irrational behavior and constantly “going off” on people, especially your man, is not an attractive quality to have when trying to maintain a relationship with a man. I had to LEARN that just because I was running things at work, didn’t mean I was going to run things with my man. So, I had to “check my attitude” at the door when dealing with my Black man. Maybe a man really needs to be the head of the household, and if you don’t trust that he can be, then leave him alone and move on. A wise man once told me that anything with two heads is a monster, so only one can be head of the household, and for me, I prefer it to be my man. Sistas, we know we have carried too much of the financial and emotional burden of raising our families alone, but we should use that to draw strength from and not allow that to make us emotionally weaker. I remember being in my 20s at a management consulting firm I worked for and this brother told me that I would definitely make Partner but no one would ever like me because I was so damn mean, and I actually was naïve enough to take that as a compliment; not realizing that my “meanness and bitchiness” had spilled over into my personal life and keeping me from attracting and keeping good men in my life.

3. Many Black Women Have Made a Conscious Decision To Be Single: I know you’re saying "yea, right." But this is actually true. I know personally for me, I have been married before, but I prefer to be single, especially since I don’t want to have children. Personally, I am not looking to get married again, but I’m not opposed to the idea either. If I meet someone who makes me feel that being married to them is better than my freedom and the luxuries of my single life, then I would consider getting married again. The most important thing to me is to have quality, meaningful relationships with men with similar dreams, goals and interests in life. People fall in love and marry because it’s the tradition. Men and women have been getting married since before recorded history. Until recently, America was the most “married” nation in the world. But now many ask, “Do I have to be married to live happily ever after?” In today’s society, people have a strong desire to simply be happy, whether that means being married or unmarried. Being single is not synonymous with being “alone”. Many single people do have a meaningful love relationship in their life. Society makes people think that end goal of two people who love each other is a “traditional monogamous marriage” but I don’t believe everyone fits that model. Whoever said dating has to end in marriage? If marriages were so great, why do more than half of them end in divorce? So, there are really some women who are happy being single--Seriously!

4. Black Men Don’t See Many of the Qualities That They So Much Admire in Their Mothers and Grandmothers. To say it’s just a shortage of Black men is only a small part of the problem, but as Black women we have to re-evaluate who we are and who we’ve become today. Black men don’t see the strong, quiet strength of their mothers and grandmothers; neither the homemaking-cooking skills either. In my book "Why I Love Men," I have a section called “Never Underestimate the Relationship Between a Man and His Mother” that discusses this further. A wise woman understands the precious bond between a man and his mother. You’re not going to change it nor would you want to. A mother is very proud of her son, especially if he’s a good man. His mother values him. His mom and grandmother has loved him unconditionally all his life, and well, you, not so long. If you want a smooth relationship with a Black man, be sure you understand WHY he loves his mom so much and it will help you build a stronger relationship with him. And, if you don’t know why he admires and loves his mom so much, ask him. In fact, a huge red flag for me is when a guy doesn’t have any relationship with his mother, and she is still living. Or if he speaks to his mother in a disrespectful or harsh manner, he will likely treat you the same way.

5. Black Women Have Spent Their Best Years Pursuing Their Education and Career Goals not Realizing that Their Strongest Assets (e.g., Looks, Fertility) Decrease With Age. I know this may be unpopular, but it is the truth. A woman who wants to have a family should capitalize on her looks, age, and fertility while she is young instead of only focusing on chasing the high-powered career. I believe --and of course I could be wrong-- that a man would more likely be with a young, fine woman that is less educated and makes him feel good --in terms of stroking his ego-- then an average looking woman with a great career and education. If marriage and having children is important to you, you may want to NOT focus as much time on pursuing your career goals, but spend more time pursuing and developing meaningful love relationships while you’re young, perky and fertile. If you want a husband and family, you have to pursue it with the same focus and attention you did to achieve your career goals, and by all means, don’t let your looks, fashion sense, and overall attractiveness go downhill. In "Why I Love Men: The Joys of Dating," I share insider secrets, practical advice and techniques that any woman can use to maximize her physical beauty without cosmetic surgery, because as shallow as it may sound, how physically attractive you are is very important to men, and should also be to you if you are seriously looking to attract and keep a man.

6. Black Men Struggle More Than Any Other Group of People in Society and in the Workplace: You have to ask why are there so many Black men in prison and under-educated? Why is the unemployment rate so high for Black males? Why is the suicide rate so high for Black males? Why are so many Black men absent in their child’s life? Why are Black males struggling more than other group of people? We have to better understand the struggles of Black men to really increase the number of “datable” Black men; and I’m no expert on the answers to these questions and I know when I’m out of my lane, but there are others who have studied Black males and written on this topic and could surely provide some answers to these questions.

7. Black Women Haven’t Adjusted to the New Hypercompetitive Dating Environment That Exists Today: Many of the traditional rules of courtship don’t exist, for better or for worse, Black women have to do things differently to attract and maintain a long-term relationship with a man. And, if you think about it, most of us have never been taught how to date to find a compatible partner. There was no college course for it. Yes, many women have received advice from family or friends. We may have taken advice from other single women. But most of us are winging it as we go. There are some women who are obviously better at it than others. In "Why I Love Men: The Joys of Dating," I’ve consolidated the best strategies that I have learned from friends, relatives and my own experiences and frankly some of the best practical advice that I have ever received and successfully applied to attract the type of men I wanted in my life and they did show up. These strategies have worked for others and they can work for you. You can’t continue doing the same thing and expect different results. It is time to change your approach to dating.


http://www.blackstarnews.com/print.php?a=6191
 
Single. No Kids. No Prospects. No Plan. Now What?

There is a lot of self-righteousness in the blogsphere and offline among a certain class of Black women who pride themselves on not having any illegitimate children. “I have no singlemotherout of wedlock kids,” is like a a banner they wave with such pride. They often look down their noses or feel such contempt for those of us who do (full disclosure: I have a 4 year old), as if we need chastising somehow or just completely lack self control and common sense.

Often when I here these convos or read their comments I feel a bit sad for these chicks. In all their glee that they don’t have any out of wedlock kids they missed a basic biology lesson 101: fertility rates among women are their best under 30. After 30 they take a steep drop. After 35 they drop like a stone and by 40…well there’s a reason why the use of fertility treatments skyrocket over the years.

Also, the best time to find a husband falls into the same time frame as when you’re most fertile. If you’re 30 and want a husband…you better make it your top priority because after 35 the chances aren’t impossible, but become a hell of a lot more difficult.

So basically, you’re single, no kids, have no prospects and most of you don’t have a plan on how your’re going to find a husband and have kids, but I’m the problem?

Okay.

My advice: stop being so proud of yourself on having made it to whatever age childless and spend that same energy on figuring out how you’re going to get the husband and kids you so desire. Time is your enemy and contrary to popular belief popping out a baby in your forties is no easy task. People have to make the best decisions for them. For some of us that meant having a baby and no husband, for others that mans doing it the old fashion way and that’s fine. Contrary to popular belief there’s no one size fits all in the life thing.

But save me the sanctimonious bullshit. You don’t get a cookie for being 25, 30, 35 and not having any kids. This may surprise you, but some of us with kids often look at you with a bit of sympathy. When our kids will be nearing college age you may, may be just getting pregnant. I’ll take being a single parent over being childless and 30 any day of the week. When you’re changing diapers, I’ll be sipping Mai Tai’s from some Caribbean island because my girl is out the house in school somewhere.

I’m happy with my life choices. Are you with yours? If you are great. If not, then save the chastisement and judgment and figure out how you’re going to get what you want. I have what I want. So as the kids like to say: I got mine. You should get yours.

http://brownsugar28.com/2009/03/16/black-women-dating-single-no-kids-no-prospects-no-plan-now-what/



I REALLY WANT TO HEAR THE THOUGHTS ON THIS HERE......
 
I'm the nice guy....I need to disapper.....but I don't want to lose who I am just for some pussy...I think I need to take a year off from women....just say fuck it and stack cheddar....
 
No matter how much knowledge I hear I'm still stomped about how to differitiate between a woman that is flirting because she's interested and one that's flirting just to have her ego boosted and to reject you. By the time I find out I've already wasted my time. Gotten kinda better at it. Maybe I need to just come to grips that most women aren't ment to appreciate qualities I have.
 
I'm the nice guy....I need to disapper.....but I don't want to lose who I am just for some pussy...I think I need to take a year off from women....just say fuck it and stack cheddar....

Nah...just get a little gorilla in you. Show no fear and don't be afraid to let them know if they aren't on point. Simply stop giving them power to say or do what they want and make them recognize who you are and that you're just as important.
 
By the way one poster I disagree with in here. The fact that you should flirt with other women while in a relationship to keep her on her toes and to let her know she has options is kinda bad advice. At a extremly advanced level of love this would be terrible advice. I don't know about yall but I've been in love and never was I concerned about what she thinks of me unless she felt insecure or I wanted to surprise her. I think some of this shit should be broken down to different levels of love. Because honestly there are different levels and when you have been to the highest level everything under it is puppy love to u or friendship
 
To me one type of love would be: we are content with each other and we understand how much we need each other so we are going to commit. Another type-i think your the best available and your my comfort zone but I have other options and I hope we can stick together. Then there is the type of love I've been in-where you challenge the other person, strive to make them better, express what you expect out of them, learn and grow together, constantly show appreciation of their growth because they are constantly growing and you jus remind them that the world is ours and you understand that this person appreciates you and wants you and sees things in you that most people don't see in you. That they like you because they like you, not like you because other people like you. I can tell by the advice some of you guys give that you really haven't felt the deepest form of love. If you understand what gives people the wrong impression about you, you should NEVER try to manipulate them into thinking the right thing, but you should address it, and or explain how you value the things that you know this woman doubts about you. If you don't take anything else out of my sloppy copy take the last sentence.
 
It's nice that you guys have this place. Interesting reading to say the least. I hope you guys can gain some good out of all this. My husbands view about things like this was put off women for as long as you possibly could. 35 or later. Focus all your time and energy into working on yourself and doing things for your world. Then maybe, JUST MAYBE. You'll find a woman who's actually worth you.
 
Comes down to this Women want Security and Love
Men want admiration and pussy from Women

Usually Men desire the Pussy more than Women desire the Love
so Men put up with more bullshit to get their needs met


in some cultures its different but in Western Society thats , Women usually have an advantage - Until a Man gets a Woman to fall in Love with him

thats my Simple ,Cliff notes version of it
 
I'm the nice guy....I need to disapper.....but I don't want to lose who I am just for some pussy...I think I need to take a year off from women....just say fuck it and stack cheddar....

I was foolishly in the nice guy zone for many years from the teens thru my early thirties. Through dating study and research on the net around 2003 I found out about alpha male confidence and night turned 360 degrees into daylight.

Don't change who you are. Build a strong alpha male confidence and your perception changes while at the same time the female perception of you will change. You are still you but with an added dose of confidence. It sounds so simple and it kinda is. But when you study, meditate and reflect on the concept and viewpoint of confidence things change.

It's deep I know. I like how this discussion is real and serious without any drama and hating. There are dfiffering or disagreeing schools of thought and approaches but the tone here is mature and thought provoking.
 
I wrote this a few months back........

What do women really want, love or Power??

The educated man vs The Non-educated man is the first thing that comes into mind to most women, when they determine where they stand in a relationship. I see high amounts of men complaining that most women don't want a honest man, but a thug. Instead of looking at the physical, I decided to look deeper into the mental insecurities. Have you ever thought to yourself why would a woman be involved with a man that's less than she is and have no desire for enhancing his life? Maybe it because she has a serious lack of confidences when it comes to her physical appearance, financial status...etc and the only way she see herself in a Secure Relationship is through gaining power devolped by covering those insecurities. You say No! Why else would a woman have a relationship with a man that in jail, selling drugs, and abusive?... She knows no matter what he says it dosen't mean anything because in reality she have control over him and he's not going anywhere. But, this does not apply to the educated man. When women with low-self esteem meet a educated man that she's attractive to, she will automatically try to figure out where she fits in to control him. Not realizing that he there on his own free will. Maybe if she show him the postive side of her and everything she has to offer, that might be enough for him to love her to stay without playing mindless games. Until all you men realize this, thats always complaining, women will be running this shit!!!

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How to protect yourself from being hurt!!!! (You can also use this for women)
The first rules is to know the differents between the person personality and the love you have for that person. Doing this will help you make an invisible line with the people that you encounter in your live. For example, you can love all of your Aunts, friends, boy-girl friend, etc.... but need to know where to draw the line so you won't put yourself in any negative situations.

2. Take time to understand a person....especially if they have a lot of problems. This will take you away from the rescue mode. When I talked about rescue, I want to tell you a little bit more about rescuing. Rescuing is when you actually do for someone what they can do for themselves. So, we don't want to rescue someone, we want to let them take care of themselves. We take care of ourselves and that's the components that makes this whole thing lay out just right. So when you are with somebody and they begin flare, just take a step back, go to your patient position, stay in your gentle answer. Just move back, don't stay too close to them and that will help you know exactly what to do when you are in a situation where somebody is flaring. So, you want to protect yourself and you also don't want to hurt them but you don't want to hurt yourself. So to rescue someone it means, don't do for someone what they can do for themselves. And, it is very important to keep that rescue mode completely pulled back from them because you will get into a position where you are constantly rescuing them and constantly rescuing them. So, it's very important to remember when you are with a hot tempered person what to do.

3. never debate with emotional people. It dosen't matter how much facts you're giving, people who talks with emotion... throw all logic thinking out of the window. I personally found that the loss of control that we feel during harsh emotional encounters.... with strangers, coworkers, friends or family... can be as traumatic and long-lasting as physical attacks. By developing emotional management skills, you will be better able to express your needs and expectations to yourself and others. You will be well-equipped to take the risks necessary to grow, thrive and learn from your mistakes. When our strong emotions are left to dominate and rule our behavior, we live "disconnected" by fear from everyday life, feeling like victims even when no real threat exists. (I made a thread about this before....http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=292808)


4. Maintain calm energy.... To prevent fatigue and tension from depleting your energy, routinely activate your brain's "alertness switches." These are dramatic changes in your activity that will automatically cause you to become more aware of your surroundings and other people.


5. This one goes somewhat to number 1...Accept people for who they are....Not who you think they can be...Doing this.. you experience the world in a new way. Accepting people and the world the way they are might sound like you are giving up on working on improving things, but you gather strength by giving up the pose of the disappointed idealist. It also means giving up the notion that people are not enough the way they are, and that the world is not enough the way it is. You still work to make improvements, but you let go of the need to be disappointed.
 
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I wrote this a few months back........

What do women really want, love or Power??

The educated man vs The Non-educated man is the first thing that comes into mind to most women, when they determine where they stand in a relationship. I see high amounts of men complaining that most women don't want a honest man, but a thug. Instead of looking at the physical, I decided to look deeper into the mental insecurities. Have you ever thought to yourself why would a woman be involved with a man that's less than she is and have no desire for enhancing his life? Maybe it because she has a serious lack of confidences when it comes to her physical appearance, financial status...etc and the only way she see herself in a Secure Relationship is through gaining power devolped by covering those insecurities. You say No! Why else would a woman have a relationship with a man that in jail, selling drugs, and abusive?... She knows no matter what he says it dosen't mean anything because in reality she have control over him and he's not going anywhere. But, this does not apply to the educated man. When women with low-self esteem meet a educated man that she's attractive to, she will automatically try to figure out where she fits in to control him. Not realizing that he there on his own free will. Maybe if she show him the postive side of her and everything she has to offer, that might be enough for him to love her to stay without playing mindless games. Until all you men realize this, thats always complaining, women will be running this shit!!!

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How to protect yourself from being hurt!!!! (You can also use this for women)
The first rules is to know the differents between the person personality and the love you have for that person. Doing this will help you make an invisible line with the people that you encounter in your live. For example, you can love all of your Aunts, friends, boy-girl friend, etc.... but need to know where to draw the line so you won't put yourself in any negative situations.

2. Take time to understand a person....especially if they have a lot of problems. This will take you away from the rescue mode. When I talked about rescue, I want to tell you a little bit more about rescuing. Rescuing is when you actually do for someone what they can do for themselves. So, we don't want to rescue someone, we want to let them take care of themselves. We take care of ourselves and that's the components that makes this whole thing lay out just right. So when you are with somebody and they begin flare, just take a step back, go to your patient position, stay in your gentle answer. Just move back, don't stay too close to them and that will help you know exactly what to do when you are in a situation where somebody is flaring. So, you want to protect yourself and you also don't want to hurt them but you don't want to hurt yourself. So to rescue someone it means, don't do for someone what they can do for themselves. And, it is very important to keep that rescue mode completely pulled back from them because you will get into a position where you are constantly rescuing them and constantly rescuing them. So, it's very important to remember when you are with a hot tempered person what to do.

3. never debate with emotional people. It dosen't matter how much facts you're giving, people who talks with emotion... throw all logic thinking out of the window. I personally found that the loss of control that we feel during harsh emotional encounters.... with strangers, coworkers, friends or family... can be as traumatic and long-lasting as physical attacks. By developing emotional management skills, you will be better able to express your needs and expectations to yourself and others. You will be well-equipped to take the risks necessary to grow, thrive and learn from your mistakes. When our strong emotions are left to dominate and rule our behavior, we live "disconnected" by fear from everyday life, feeling like victims even when no real threat exists. (I made a thread about this before....http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=292808)


4. Maintain calm energy.... To prevent fatigue and tension from depleting your energy, routinely activate your brain's "alertness switches." These are dramatic changes in your activity that will automatically cause you to become more aware of your surroundings and other people.


5. This one goes somewhat to number 1...Accept people for who they are....Not who you think they can be...Doing this.. you experience the world in a new way. Accepting people and the world the way they are might sound like you are giving up on working on improving things, but you gather strength by giving up the pose of the disappointed idealist. It also means giving up the notion that people are not enough the way they are, and that the world is not enough the way it is. You still work to make improvements, but you let go of the need to be disappointed.

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The "big Mistake" Women Make That Can Push Men Away And Make Him Withdraw

I've heard hundreds, maybe thousands, of men
talk about this exact perception of a woman, and
how they fear being with a woman who they think
will act this way with them on a regular basis.

In fact, this fear is so great in most men,
and they want to avoid being around this kind of
thing with a woman, that when they see it even
once, that's it.

Yeah, I know, it's immature, selfish and
not fair on one level, but it's the reality of
the situation that lots of women end up in with
men.

So how do you avoid this if you still want
to express your FEELINGS?

I'll tell you how in THREE EASY STEPS.


Step 1) Just Like A Man Needs To Understand
You, You Need To Understand What's Going On
Inside The Mind Of A Man,

Let me tell it to you straight, as a man.

Women secretly believe that their connection
with a man will "naturally" turn into something
deeper without any communication taking place.

Kind of like it's the unspoken truth about
what's going on.

Honestly, this isn't how it works for us men.

If you're "assuming" you have a relationship,
and that he feels like you do, you're wrong.

Men don't assume that a connection, being
together, spending quality time and all the rest
means they're in a committed relationship.

Some men do, but not most.

For a man to know he's in a committed
relationship, and understand the things YOU
want in that relationship, YOU have to
communicate with him in CLEAR AND DIRECT
terms.

Yeah, that's right, You have to put
yourself out there and be vulnerable.

Scary!

But I hear lots of women think that other
women are just lucky to have found such a
great guy where everything just "falls into
place" since it's meant to be.

And while there are some men who are more
equipped and ready for a healthy situation
with a woman, it's NOT luck that women in great
relationships have found a way to COMMUNICATE
with their guy.

In other words, they've taken time to find
the right information, and to learn to integrate
a certain way of communicating with a man into
their relationship.

It's not easy, but there is a quick way to
do it.

Keep reading,


Step 2) You Need To Understand What Causes You
To Make "The Big Mistake"

EVERYONE wants to have THEIR needs met first.
It's basic human nature.

But being able to delay your gratification
is an AMAZING thing to develop in your life.
(in every part of your life!)

Most people (men and women) want to talk, talk,
talk about what THEY think and what THEY want.

The root of this problem basically boils down
to needs that are unmet.

So making "The Big Mistake" is really all
about being driven by your unmet needs and
desires and solely focusing on what YOU want the
relationship to be, without honestly and
critically considering the man's perspective, his
emotional state, his commuication skills (or the
lack thereod), and where he's coming from at
the same time.

When you do this with a man, you are
subconsciously telling him that you're more
interested in your feelings and what YOU want
than you are in his feelings and what he wants.

And men can read and pick up on women who do
this INSTANTLY.

I see a form of this "Big Mistake" communication
all the time in business too, by the way.

Some business professionals are the worst
at this self-absorbed "need" oriented
communication.

Like when someone calls me who wants to
get something from me or sell me something and
they're not very experienced or polished at it.

The first thing I pick up on is their selfish
agenda, and it instantly puts me on the
defensive.

But if they've done their "homework" on me
and understand at least something about MY NEEDS
and what I'm looking for, instead of what THEY
WANT from me, then when they talk it changes
everything.

The second I hear that they've thought about
what I want and know how to help me get it, they
immediately become someone of value.

Someone I will listen to.

It's very simple, but extremely powerful.

So let's take this concept directly back to
communicating with men.

It might sound cliche', but you've got to
learn to listen and understand where's he's
at and where's he's coming from.

This cliche' is a around for a reason.

It works.

Patience, empathy and understanding are the
first steps towards creating the relationship
you dream about.

But you've got to be careful to not become
the woman who gives him EVERYTHING and gets
walked on.

Use your common sense and intuition to
safeguard yourself - I know that your female
perceptive abilities aren't used nearly enough,
so put these strong tools to good use.


Step 3) How To Avoid Making The Big Mistake

Let me give you a vital piece of information
when dealing with men,

Men are CLUELESS when it comes to identifying
the things that are "obvious" to women in dating
and relationships.

I would know. It's taken me ten years to
begin to understand these things for myself -
and I spend a LOT of time thinking about it.

Sorry though, I'm "spoken for",
(Oh Please, get over yourself Phillips!!)

Ok, enough self-indulgent humor, back to you.

So we know men are AWFUL at initiating and
participating in conversations about deep
emotionsand relationships.

Sorry to break the bad news, but it's almost
always up to you to make this communication
happen.

It's important to remember to approach the
entire conversation from the perspective of
talking about what you want AND what he wants.

If you can make a guy feel like you put his
feelings and needs a priority in this
conversation, and always consider what he
wants, I promise he will LOVE YOU for it!

There's no rule that says you can't consider
another persons opinions and feelings first in
order to get what you want.

In fact, a key goal in negotiating is to let
the other person talk first.

When you get to listen first, you ALWAYS have
the advantage. You know exactly what the other
person wants, and knowledge is influence and
power.

I'm not saying you need to take on hard-core
negotiating here with a man, but some of the
same rules and principles about people and
psychology apply.

When you talk to a man from a positive place
of listening first, he will be 10,000 times
more receptive to what you have to say and what
you want once you bring it up than if you
approach him from a place of feeling hurt,
communicate need and projecting fear and anxiety.

Try this instead,

Ask a positive question or give a positive
statement such as, "Honey, I was thinking today
that I was happy to be with you."

It might sound submissive, corny or
difficult to say to someone you're having a
tough time with, but think about it,

If you're going through all the trouble to
worry so much about the future with this person,
this is already what you're thinking.

You might want to check out what could be
the best collection anywhere of ideas, strategies,
insights and research on the subject of how to
avoid the Big Mistake, and how to make sure great
things happens when the right man comes along.

take care i believe the three steps will help you out
my regards

http://relationships.blog-city.com/push_a_man_away_and_make_him_withdraw.htm
 
10 Mistakes Women Make In Relationships With Men

Women, no matter what type, have a tendency to unintentionally push a man's buttons in the beginning of a relationship. This usually leads to the "Where did I go wrong?", and by this time, he's most likely to avoid any questions you insist on asking him about it. There are ways to avoid this, and there are ways to get your questions answered without having him realize he's opening up. Which is a subject in itself. I am going to keep this as short, and sweet as possible.

These are 10 mistakes women tend to make with their beaus in the beginning, or start of a relationship, that usually get the break-up ball rolling. These are in no particular order, as they can vary in damage from each man. Just try to make a little note of them, and if you catch yourself in the process of making one, step back and ask yourself if you might regret your actions later on.




1. Ladies, men generally know it is their "responsibility" to make the phone calls.
Unless they are extremely insecure, in which case why would you bother anyway, they will call you if they want to talk to you. They will also return your calls to them, if they want to talk to you. Trust in this, if he is into you, he WILL call. If he doesn't, then be over it. You will only annoy him, and there is no turning back from being annoying. This has never failed, and it never will. I know it's hard to fight the urge, but this is worth it in the end.

2. I know it's tempting when your snuggled close together to want to talk about your relationship, and find out where you stand in all this madness.
First off, men are more action oriented when it comes to love, the fact he is snuggling with you is his way of showing you he cares about you. Don't ruin it by trying to analyze things. You'll find him scooting over and bringing that arm back from around your shoulders real quick. Talking about feelings makes it all too much a reality for a man, and he will close up. You might find a sensitive one here and there, but better safe than sorry.

3. Stop asking questions about his past girlfriends.
A question or two about why they broke up is fine, you have a right to know if she tried to kill him. But, too many questions about them can lead to all sorts of problems, that is including a reconciliation. You get him thinking about those good old days, and she might be the one he's calling tomorrow.

4. Make it a habit of stepping outside yourself if you find that you have been babbling on and on.
Most men will listen for a while, but when you start going into how you like to dress your cat for the fall season, you might want to just show him Fluffy's wardrobe instead of describing it for two hours.

5. Here's an important one, at least in the beginning, don't shed any tears.
If you've caught a sad movie, he'll find it endearing, but if your sobbing because he forgot to hold your hand or kiss you goodbye, you are turning him off for sure.

6. This is an oldie, but a goodie.
Don't be so available. If you have been out a few times, the next time he asks, say you have plans. He's not going to give up asking you out because you have a life. Also, if he says he is going out with the boys tell him how cute you think it is, and that you hope they tear it up and have a wild time. You will score points with this, and he'll be thinking about you while he's out. I guess you could say you're putting a little reverse psychology at work here, but this is almost always a fail proof tactic.

7. Okay Ladies, let's talk about Hallmark cards, greeting cards, and just about any card you can think of. (Handmade Included)
Unless it's a birthday, in which case, you should get something funny and just sign your name, don't give your guy cards with a short novel written in them, or your latest poetry. This is also including those long drawn out letters, and if your far away a letter is okay, but stay away from the hand to hand kind. Every man I know cringes at the thought of these. I know you want to pour your heart out, but it's too much for a man to swallow when your first starting out. If he sends them to you, then you can send them back to him with no worries. But, this is highly unlikely, I'm afraid.

8. Most men know that the "I forgot my (fill in the blank )at your place" trick, is a sham.
Unless he's never had any dealings with women, he knows what your trying to do here. If he wants you to leave your things at his place, he'll say " Why don't you just leave that here?" This can really creep some men out. If it really is an accident, they will know you didn't mean it. It's a good idea, though, to check and make sure you have everything to avoid him mistakenly thinking you did it on purpose.

9. Unless he asks you, DON'T show up at his work.
This should be pretty self explanatory. It's a bad idea on so many levels.

10. And last but not least, do not bring up marriage, and all your hopes for a huge family.
If he asks, trust that he's not looking for all the dreams you had when you were 12 years old about your wedding day, and the gown you designed. Do not talk about what your kids would look like, and how you would raise them together to be good caring citizens. If he initiates this kind of talk, then you can play around with the topic, but keep it a fun conversation, or he will be dreading he ever brought it up. Unless your a mail order bride, and going over your arrangements, this is something you should avoid drumming up a conversation about.

These are 10 mistakes I see over, and over again. They are made in many different ways, but almost always have the same negative result. The most important thing to remember is that men are different, and they just don't move to the same beat as our drum. It's always the best attack to not be like all the other girls who made him uncomfortable, and just let him have a good time. In the beginning, let him hold the keys to all the doors that lead to the "feeling" rooms. He will open them when he's ready, and lock them for good if you constantly knock on them.

http://www.eioba.com/a61480/10_mistakes_women_make_in_relationships_with_men
 
When Fools Rush Into Relationships

#1 Count your Blessings and Exhale

Isn't it great to be showered with attention and affection? Enjoy it! Be convinced that you deserve this love and attention. Acknowledge the fact that everyone is on his or her best behavior in the beginning. It may indeed be love you feel, but that love will be tested when the initial excitement wears off, and it takes a little more work to be enthusiastic and interested.

If you're anxious about this relationship, slow your roll and figure out exactly what is making you feel anxious. Are you convinced that you deserve this kind of attention? If you don't feel convinced, you must do some soul searching to determine why you don't feel deserving. If your anxiety is not put into check, you will end up stretching yourself too thin, worrying about keeping a love that you don't feel you deserve. Your anxiety might even cause a premature breakup, especially if you try to smother that person because you're worried that you may not get another chance at love again. If it's the real thing, you won't have to worry about it running away; it will be there tomorrow and the next day after that.

#2 Listen to Your Heart

If you are feeling overwhelmed by the outpouring of love this person is showering you with, ask him or her to slow down!! If it's really love, they'll back off and move at a pace that's more comfortable for you. If they try to make you feel guilty or question your sincerity, then what you've experienced thus far is manipulation and not love. They're showering you with attention because they want something from you, not because they love you unconditionally.

#3 Be prepared for The Change

Get ready for the behavior change that occurs after the newness wears off. That wonderful woman may stop paying you as many compliments, or stop cooking for you. The previously attentive man will stop calling or taking you out as much.

Be prepared for the lines they give you for this change in behavior, and ask yourself how much less attention you will tolerate. If a man goes from seeing you every day to seeing you once a month, should you still consider him your boyfriend? How many excuses will you accept from a woman who isn't really excited to see you anymore after you ask her to contribute financially for the expensive dates she insists on you taking her out to?

Don't think for minute they're going to turn back into the woman or man you met 3 months ago! That was just the front they were putting on to get (and keep) your attention. What you're seeing now, 3-6 months later, is the real deal.

#4 How Low Can You Go?

Once that person starts revealing their true nature, decide what your limits are with regards to accepting questionable behavior. If you insist on holding onto someone who has become inattentive and downright disrespectful, you've lost the belief in your self-worth and may latch on to someone who's chief goal is to drag you through the mud. Don't throw away your value just so you can have a man! Remember the attention and affection you've grown accustomed to, and remind yourself that you don't have to accept lame excuses for inattentive behavior.

If you consider ending the relationship because the object of your affection wasn't all you hoped they would be, don't worry about feeling like you'll lose all the time, money and energy spent on reciprocating this woman's or man's affection You'll be wasting more time and energy waiting for that person to turn back into the one you fell in love with. If you truly want the love and attention you seek, you won't get it while waiting for someone to be the wonderful person you met in the beginning. If they were truly wonderful, they would not have changed so drastically.

Be wary of the man or woman who justifies their behavior change or even tries to blame you for their behavior change. This indicates that they're not going to change, and are quite comfortable at the way things are now. The longer you tolerate it, the harder it will be for you to leave.

#5 To Leave or Not to Leave?

That is the question you must ask yourself. Are you as happy as you were in the beginning? Or are you wondering how you got here, and how come you feel so miserable? If you're still holding on to the words that were said in the beginning, then you're in denial about the deteriorating condition of your relationship. Count your losses and get out while you can. Even if you've foolishly moved in with this person, or married within weeks or months of knowing this person, there is still time to undo the damage.

You're only as obligated as you want to be. Nothing will tie you to an unhealthy person except you -- not a baby, a lease, or a mortgage should be enough for you to stay in a relationship that brings you down. You have a choice: leave or stay. Just remember that it is your choice.

http://ezinearticles.com/?When-Fools-Rush-Into-Relationships&id=1007589
 
Ya Know...

I'm so glad these types pf threads are blowing up now. Especially in regards to Black Men and relationships.

For too long GOOD Black Men have stood silent, while Black Women have been on attack mode for what many of them do not want to admit are their own bad choices. So decent Brothers have had to take the brunt of this shit for decades. It's about fuckin' time Brothers and even some Black women are speaking out honestly on this.

The other great thing about this is that many of us as Black men are finally getting out of this "talking about feelings is for women and Fa**ots" shit and actually talking shit out. And we are still getting criticized for it in some circles. Especially from Black Women who misguidedly see this trend as an attack on them, or Black Men who do this as Gay. That shit is so further from the truth. All we want is for them to fuckin' ACT RIGHT! and stop playing games and shit.

Though men and women of all races experience this, with US it's a different scenario. We have so more much at stake than other races do. I tand to take a historical/social perspective on most things in regards to our people. And a lot of us have no sense of that perspective.

Hell. After all the BullShit I went through in my marriage, I've seen shit that make me question even wanting to be bothered anymore. I'm in my late 40s. People tell me I look like I'm still in my late 20s. I jokingly tell them that I kept my youthful looks at the expense of my sanity. But I sure as HELL wasn't going to let my (estranged) wife take several decades of my life either. But the same folks say I look way better now that I've been away from her.

And after a few "incidents" in regards to women recently, I decided to just spent more time with myself, travel, take care of business, and just keep it moving.

I said to a friend recently describing situation that kept me a wreck for a few days, that "I'M DONE!" when it comes to these women today.

And I'm starting to feel a bit better for it.

Thanks to those Brothers at BGOL for having the courage and honesty to ignore being clowned and speaking out. Y'all are helping others out there deal.
 
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