The truth about Obama's birth certificate
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The defense rests.
Now, about McCain's PTSD. Can we get some medical professionals to have substantive discussions on the subject so we determine for ourselves if this nation should entrust it's security and it's future to someone like McCain who suffers with it?
Great post QueEx. As usual.
-VG
Now, about McCain's PTSD. Can we get some medical professionals to have substantive discussions on the subject so we determine for ourselves if this nation should entrust it's security and it's future to someone like McCain who suffers with it?
Great post QueEx. As usual.
-VG
Typical of the right leaning, I'm sorry centrist posters to even dignify such sleazes with a response. Of course where John McCain was born is of no consequence.
Hmmm... It's very intriguing that you post this thread now Que.
Could it be that you've heard about this?
The "Obama Ineligible" Lawsuit
Lawsuit Being Filed Today in Philadelphia [Against Obama] *BREAKING* *MEDIA ALERT*
MSM Ignores Democrat Lawsuit Against Obama
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: CASE NUMBER FOR THE OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE LAWSUIT.........
VIDEO: "I've been to Fifty----Seven(?) States... one more to go..."
Is he really a U.S. citizen (all of whom has the right to pursue the Presidency)?
I'm not sure, but I wonder...
Could it be that you've heard about this?
The "Obama Ineligible" Lawsuit
Lawsuit Being Filed Today in Philadelphia [Against Obama] *BREAKING* *MEDIA ALERT*
MSM Ignores Democrat Lawsuit Against Obama
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: CASE NUMBER FOR THE OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE LAWSUIT.........
VIDEO: "I've been to Fifty----Seven(?) States... one more to go..."
Is he really a U.S. citizen (all of whom has the right to pursue the Presidency)?
I'm not sure, but I wonder...
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Hmmm... It's very intriguing that you post this thread now Que.
Could it be that you've heard about this?
The "Obama Ineligible" Lawsuit
Lawsuit Being Filed Today in Philadelphia [Against Obama] *BREAKING* *MEDIA ALERT*
MSM Ignores Democrat Lawsuit Against Obama
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: CASE NUMBER FOR THE OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE LAWSUIT.........
VIDEO: "I've been to Fifty----Seven(?) States... one more to go..."
Is he really a U.S. citizen (all of whom has the right to pursue the Presidency)?
I'm not sure, but I wonder...
So much has been made about Barack Obama's birth status. Why does McCain get a free pass? Obviously the republican party can nominate anyone they please for president. But if McCain should win the election and he is sworn in as president, anyone can file a suit against his legitimacy to hold office, and I suspect a libertarian will do this, not a democrat. Just more confirmation of the right leaning main stream media favoring the republicans.
source: Nolan Chart.com
Topic: Ron Paul
John McCain Born in Panama, can he even be President?
The Constitution clearly states only those born in the United States may be President
by Robert Werden
(Libertarian)
Thursday, January 31, 2008
This is not open to interpretation or overturned by the 14th Amendment as it is very clear in the Constitution that the founders were being very specific on who could be the President.
The 14th Amendment was not written to change the rules of who could be the President, it was to determine citizenship. Citizenship does not allow just anyone to be the President. Only those born in the United States have that privilege.
Although John McCain was born in Panama many would argue that he was born in a US territory and is considered a US citizen. Being a citizen is not the litmus test the founders directed when they wrote the requirements to become the President.
A territory is not the United States. The United States is one of the 50 states. If Panama was a state things would be different. However Panama is a sovereign Country.
If this were the case, then we would have to allow all children born on US territories to be naturalized citizens. For example, if an Iraqi woman has an American service mans baby in a hospital in Iraq that happens to be a US Military base, then the baby would be born in US territory. This is not what the founders would have contemplated as a US naturalized citizen.
While this is probably an issue the courts would most likely rule that McCain is fully eligible to be the President, I my self would not vote for a person who is questionably walking a fine line on the founding fathers rule of Presidential eligibility.
source: The New York Times
A Hint of New Life to a McCain Birth Issue
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By ADAM LIPTAK
Published: July 11, 2008
In the most detailed examination yet of Senator John McCain’s eligibility to be president, a law professor at the University of Arizona has concluded that neither Mr. McCain’s birth in 1936 in the Panama Canal Zone nor the fact that his parents were American citizens is enough to satisfy the constitutional requirement that the president must be a “natural-born citizen.”
The analysis, by Prof. Gabriel J. Chin, focused on a 1937 law that has been largely overlooked in the debate over Mr. McCain’s eligibility to be president. The law conferred citizenship on children of American parents born in the Canal Zone after 1904, and it made John McCain a citizen just before his first birthday. But the law came too late, Professor Chin argued, to make Mr. McCain a natural-born citizen.
“It’s preposterous that a technicality like this can make a difference in an advanced democracy,” Professor Chin said. “But this is the constitutional text that we have.”
Several legal experts said that Professor Chin’s analysis was careful and plausible. But they added that nothing was very likely to follow from it.
“No court will get close to it, and everyone else is on board, so there’s a constitutional consensus, the merits of arguments such as this one aside,” said Peter J. Spiro, an authority on the law of citizenship at Temple University.
Mr. McCain has dismissed any suggestion that he does not meet the citizenship test.
In April, the Senate approved a nonbinding resolution declaring that Mr. McCain is eligible to be president. Its sponsors said the nation’s founders would have never intended to deny the presidency to the offspring of military personnel stationed out of the country.
A lawsuit challenging Mr. McCain’s qualifications is pending in the Federal District Court in Concord, N.H.
There are, Professor Chin argued in his analysis, only two ways to become a natural-born citizen. One, specified in the Constitution, is to be born in the United States. The other way is to be covered by a law enacted by Congress at the time of one’s birth.
Professor Chin wrote that simply being born in the Canal Zone did not satisfy the 14th Amendment, which says that “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.”
A series of early-20th-century decisions known as the Insular Cases, he wrote, ruled that unincorporated territories acquired by the United States were not part of the nation for constitutional purposes. The Insular Cases did not directly address the Canal Zone. But the zone was generally considered an unincorporated territory before it was returned to Panama in 1999, and some people born in the Canal Zone when it was under American jurisdiction have been deported from the United States or convicted of being here illegally.
The second way Mr. McCain could have, and ultimately did, become a citizen was by statute, Professor Chin wrote. In Rogers v. Bellei in 1971, the Supreme Court said Congress had broad authority to decide whether and when children born to American citizens abroad are citizens.
At the time of Mr. McCain’s birth, the relevant law granted citizenship to any child born to an American parent “out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States.” Professor Chin said the term “limits and jurisdiction” left a crucial gap. The Canal Zone was beyond the limits of the United States but not beyond its jurisdiction, and thus the law did not apply to Mr. McCain.
In 1937, Congress addressed the problem, enacting a law that granted citizenship to people born in the Canal Zone after 1904. That made Mr. McCain a citizen, but not one who was naturally born, Professor Chin said, because the citizenship was conferred after his birth.
In his paper and in an interview, Professor Chin, a registered Democrat, said he had no political motive in raising the question.
In March, Laurence H. Tribe, a law professor at Harvard and an adviser to Senator Barack Obama, prepared a memorandum on these questions with Theodore B. Olson, a former solicitor general in the Bush administration. The memorandum concluded that Mr. McCain is a natural-born citizen based on the place of his birth, the citizenship of his parents and their service to the country.
In an interview on Thursday, Mr. Olson, whose firm represents Mr. McCain in the New Hampshire lawsuit, said Congress could not have intended to leave the gap described by Professor Chin. The 1937 law, Mr. Olson said, was not a fix but a way to clarify what Congress had meant all along.
Professor Tribe agreed. Reading the “limits and jurisdiction” clause as Professor Chin does, Professor Tribe said, “is to attribute a crazy design to Congress” that “would create an irrational gap.”
Brian Rogers, a McCain spokesman, said the campaign concurred and was confident Mr. McCain is eligible to serve.
In the motion to dismiss the New Hampshire suit, Mr. McCain’s lawyers said an individual citizen like the plaintiff, a Nashua man named Fred Hollander, lacks proof of direct injury and cannot sue.
Daniel P. Tokaji, an election law expert at Ohio State University, agreed. “It is awfully unlikely that a federal court would say that an individual voter has standing,” he said. “It is questionable whether anyone would have standing to raise that claim. You’d have to think a federal court would look for every possible way to avoid deciding the issue.”
Carl Hulse contributed reporting.
A Hint of New Life to a McCain Birth Issue
Article Tools Sponsored By
By ADAM LIPTAK
Published: July 11, 2008
In the most detailed examination yet of Senator John McCain’s eligibility to be president, a law professor at the University of Arizona has concluded that neither Mr. McCain’s birth in 1936 in the Panama Canal Zone nor the fact that his parents were American citizens is enough to satisfy the constitutional requirement that the president must be a “natural-born citizen.”
The analysis, by Prof. Gabriel J. Chin, focused on a 1937 law that has been largely overlooked in the debate over Mr. McCain’s eligibility to be president. The law conferred citizenship on children of American parents born in the Canal Zone after 1904, and it made John McCain a citizen just before his first birthday. But the law came too late, Professor Chin argued, to make Mr. McCain a natural-born citizen.
“It’s preposterous that a technicality like this can make a difference in an advanced democracy,” Professor Chin said. “But this is the constitutional text that we have.”
Several legal experts said that Professor Chin’s analysis was careful and plausible. But they added that nothing was very likely to follow from it.
“No court will get close to it, and everyone else is on board, so there’s a constitutional consensus, the merits of arguments such as this one aside,” said Peter J. Spiro, an authority on the law of citizenship at Temple University.
Mr. McCain has dismissed any suggestion that he does not meet the citizenship test.
In April, the Senate approved a nonbinding resolution declaring that Mr. McCain is eligible to be president. Its sponsors said the nation’s founders would have never intended to deny the presidency to the offspring of military personnel stationed out of the country.
A lawsuit challenging Mr. McCain’s qualifications is pending in the Federal District Court in Concord, N.H.
There are, Professor Chin argued in his analysis, only two ways to become a natural-born citizen. One, specified in the Constitution, is to be born in the United States. The other way is to be covered by a law enacted by Congress at the time of one’s birth.
Professor Chin wrote that simply being born in the Canal Zone did not satisfy the 14th Amendment, which says that “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.”
A series of early-20th-century decisions known as the Insular Cases, he wrote, ruled that unincorporated territories acquired by the United States were not part of the nation for constitutional purposes. The Insular Cases did not directly address the Canal Zone. But the zone was generally considered an unincorporated territory before it was returned to Panama in 1999, and some people born in the Canal Zone when it was under American jurisdiction have been deported from the United States or convicted of being here illegally.
The second way Mr. McCain could have, and ultimately did, become a citizen was by statute, Professor Chin wrote. In Rogers v. Bellei in 1971, the Supreme Court said Congress had broad authority to decide whether and when children born to American citizens abroad are citizens.
At the time of Mr. McCain’s birth, the relevant law granted citizenship to any child born to an American parent “out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States.” Professor Chin said the term “limits and jurisdiction” left a crucial gap. The Canal Zone was beyond the limits of the United States but not beyond its jurisdiction, and thus the law did not apply to Mr. McCain.
In 1937, Congress addressed the problem, enacting a law that granted citizenship to people born in the Canal Zone after 1904. That made Mr. McCain a citizen, but not one who was naturally born, Professor Chin said, because the citizenship was conferred after his birth.
In his paper and in an interview, Professor Chin, a registered Democrat, said he had no political motive in raising the question.
In March, Laurence H. Tribe, a law professor at Harvard and an adviser to Senator Barack Obama, prepared a memorandum on these questions with Theodore B. Olson, a former solicitor general in the Bush administration. The memorandum concluded that Mr. McCain is a natural-born citizen based on the place of his birth, the citizenship of his parents and their service to the country.
In an interview on Thursday, Mr. Olson, whose firm represents Mr. McCain in the New Hampshire lawsuit, said Congress could not have intended to leave the gap described by Professor Chin. The 1937 law, Mr. Olson said, was not a fix but a way to clarify what Congress had meant all along.
Professor Tribe agreed. Reading the “limits and jurisdiction” clause as Professor Chin does, Professor Tribe said, “is to attribute a crazy design to Congress” that “would create an irrational gap.”
Brian Rogers, a McCain spokesman, said the campaign concurred and was confident Mr. McCain is eligible to serve.
In the motion to dismiss the New Hampshire suit, Mr. McCain’s lawyers said an individual citizen like the plaintiff, a Nashua man named Fred Hollander, lacks proof of direct injury and cannot sue.
Daniel P. Tokaji, an election law expert at Ohio State University, agreed. “It is awfully unlikely that a federal court would say that an individual voter has standing,” he said. “It is questionable whether anyone would have standing to raise that claim. You’d have to think a federal court would look for every possible way to avoid deciding the issue.”
Carl Hulse contributed reporting.
Good question. I think it's because Obama gets so much attention since he's so unique. I'm not sure.
Personally, I could care less about ObamaCain. But I focus on Obama because so many on this board are naturally inclined to dissect McCain (including myself), but will give Obama a free pass without breaking out the surgery gloves...
Not me...
Good question. I think it's because Obama gets so much attention since he's so unique. I'm not sure.
Personally, I could care less about ObamaCain. But I focus on Obama because so many on this board are naturally inclined to dissect McCain (including myself), but will give Obama a free pass without breaking out the surgery gloves...
Not me...
"I think it's because Obama gets so much attention since he's so unique"
Is unique another word for "Black"?
Of course luv because he's what an ideal American citizen looks like...a white man...black folks are forever outsiders on the inside...hence the hyphen African-American...why aren't white people European-Americans? Their American-ness is just ASSUMED
Final Word On Obama's Birth Certificate
SUMMARY: Since we published Obama's birth certificate, questions about its authenticity have been frequent and fierce. After reviewing the evidence, we're confident in our rulings.
It started as a whisper, a trickle of nagging doubt.
“As a concerned citizen, I’m wondering if there isn’t something fishy going on with the Obama certificate.”
“I have serious doubts about the purported 'birth certificate’ you were sent.”
“Something doesn’t smell right.”
Soon, e-mails and blog posts were flying. As the pace quickened, the tone sharpened.
“You should be apologizing ... for your misinformation regarding BO bogus birth certificate, that you claimed was genuine!”
At full throttle, the accusations are explosive and unrelenting, the writers emboldened by the anonymity and reach of the Internet.
And you can’t help but ask: How do you prove something to people who come to the facts believing, out of fear or hatred or maybe just partisanship, that they’re being tricked?
• • •
Sen. Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a document PolitiFact.com had sought for months. Countless chain e-mails, seeking to paint him as a secret Muslim, speculated that his full name included Muhammed (or Mohammed). Some said he is not an American citizen.
Birth Certificate
As a fact-checking news Web site, we went to extensive lengths to sort out the truth. We got a copy of his 1992 marriage certificate from the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics. His driver’s license record from the Illinois Secretary of State’s office. His registration and disciplinary record with the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois. Not to mention all of his property records.
Not one of these documents shows a Muhammed (or Mohammed) in Obama's name. They all read "Barack H. Obama" or "Barack Hussein Obama."
The ultimate document we sought was Obama’s birth certificate. Unlike the other documents, Hawaii birth certificates aren’t public record. Only family members can request copies, so when the campaign declined to give us one, we were stalled.
On June 13, 2008, Obama’s campaign finally released a copy, while launching a fact-check Web site of its own, Fightthesmears.com. The site is a direct response to allegations about Obama that won’t go away: He’s Muslim. He took the oath of office on a Koran. He refuses to say the Pledge of Allegiance. PolitiFact has researched all of these accusations and none of them are true.
When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.
“It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo told us.
Then the firestorm started.
• Where is the embossed seal and the registrar’s signature?
• Comparing it to other Hawaii birth certificates, the color shade is different.
• Isn’t the date stamp bleeding through the back of the document “June 2007?” (Odd since it was supposedly released in June 2008.)
• There’s no crease from being folded and mailed.
• It’s clearly Photoshopped and a wholesale fraud.
• • •
At PolitiFact.com, we’re all about original sources. We don’t take anyone at their word or take the reporting of other media organizations as proof. We go to the heart of the story, the source of the truth — original, corroborating documents.
When the official documents were questioned, we went looking for more answers. We circled back to the Department of Health, had a newsroom colleague bring in her own Hawaii birth certificate to see if it looks the same (it’s identical). But every answer triggered more questions.
And soon enough, after going to every length possible to confirm the birth certificate’s authenticity, you start asking, what is reasonable here?
Because if this document is forged, then they all are.
If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State’s office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies.
Sounds like a Vince Flynn novel.
• • •
Peter Goelz knows a little something about conspiracy theorists.
He was managing director of the National Transportation Safety Board in 1996 when TWA Flight 800 crashed off Long Island, killing 230 people. While the NTSB’s investigation found no evidence of sabotage or terrorism, the Internet was stocked with insistent accusations.
“We were right at the beginning of this Internet lunacy,” Goelz said in an interview with PolitiFact. “And there were a variety of crackpot Web sites and Web commentators that generated all sorts of rumors. The principle one was that TWA in fact was shot down by an errant Navy missile in ... a live-fire exercise off the Hamptons.”
Nine miles off Long Island, in the middle of summer. And then a full-scale coverup by the Navy and all the sailors involved.
“I am sure that we spent another $10-million, perhaps $20-million, out of a $50-million investigation, to just knock down and put to bed these kinds of rumors, these insidious rumors,” Goelz said. “We felt like we had to answer every question because it was such a public and dreadful and confounding event.”
Goelz, who is now a communications consultant in Washington, D.C., says the Internet has given a platform to anyone to say anything. And a way to find others who want to hear it.
“Online, they can be almost anything,” he said. “They can be the crusading investigators that they always wanted to be.”
• • •
The Hawaii Department of Health receives about a dozen e-mail inquiries a day about Obama’s birth certificate, spokesman Okubo said.
“I guess the big issue that’s being raised is the lack of an embossed seal and a signature,” Okubo said, pointing out that in Hawaii, both those things are on the back of the document. “Because they scanned the front … you wouldn’t see those things.”
Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and it is identical to the Obama one we received.
And about the copy we e-mailed her for verification? “When we looked at that image you guys sent us, our registrar, he thought he could see pieces of the embossed image through it.”
Still, she acknowledges: “I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.”
• • •
And there’s the rub. It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible.
But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over.
There is not one shred of evidence to disprove PolitiFact’s conclusion that the candidate’s name is Barack Hussein Obama, or to support allegations that the birth certificate he released isn’t authentic.
And that’s true no matter how many people cling to some hint of doubt and use the Internet to fuel their innate sense of distrust.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
SUMMARY: Since we published Obama's birth certificate, questions about its authenticity have been frequent and fierce. After reviewing the evidence, we're confident in our rulings.
It started as a whisper, a trickle of nagging doubt.
“As a concerned citizen, I’m wondering if there isn’t something fishy going on with the Obama certificate.”
“I have serious doubts about the purported 'birth certificate’ you were sent.”
“Something doesn’t smell right.”
Soon, e-mails and blog posts were flying. As the pace quickened, the tone sharpened.
“You should be apologizing ... for your misinformation regarding BO bogus birth certificate, that you claimed was genuine!”
At full throttle, the accusations are explosive and unrelenting, the writers emboldened by the anonymity and reach of the Internet.
And you can’t help but ask: How do you prove something to people who come to the facts believing, out of fear or hatred or maybe just partisanship, that they’re being tricked?
• • •
Sen. Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a document PolitiFact.com had sought for months. Countless chain e-mails, seeking to paint him as a secret Muslim, speculated that his full name included Muhammed (or Mohammed). Some said he is not an American citizen.
Birth Certificate
As a fact-checking news Web site, we went to extensive lengths to sort out the truth. We got a copy of his 1992 marriage certificate from the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics. His driver’s license record from the Illinois Secretary of State’s office. His registration and disciplinary record with the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois. Not to mention all of his property records.
Not one of these documents shows a Muhammed (or Mohammed) in Obama's name. They all read "Barack H. Obama" or "Barack Hussein Obama."
The ultimate document we sought was Obama’s birth certificate. Unlike the other documents, Hawaii birth certificates aren’t public record. Only family members can request copies, so when the campaign declined to give us one, we were stalled.
On June 13, 2008, Obama’s campaign finally released a copy, while launching a fact-check Web site of its own, Fightthesmears.com. The site is a direct response to allegations about Obama that won’t go away: He’s Muslim. He took the oath of office on a Koran. He refuses to say the Pledge of Allegiance. PolitiFact has researched all of these accusations and none of them are true.
When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.
“It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo told us.
Then the firestorm started.
• Where is the embossed seal and the registrar’s signature?
• Comparing it to other Hawaii birth certificates, the color shade is different.
• Isn’t the date stamp bleeding through the back of the document “June 2007?” (Odd since it was supposedly released in June 2008.)
• There’s no crease from being folded and mailed.
• It’s clearly Photoshopped and a wholesale fraud.
• • •
At PolitiFact.com, we’re all about original sources. We don’t take anyone at their word or take the reporting of other media organizations as proof. We go to the heart of the story, the source of the truth — original, corroborating documents.
When the official documents were questioned, we went looking for more answers. We circled back to the Department of Health, had a newsroom colleague bring in her own Hawaii birth certificate to see if it looks the same (it’s identical). But every answer triggered more questions.
And soon enough, after going to every length possible to confirm the birth certificate’s authenticity, you start asking, what is reasonable here?
Because if this document is forged, then they all are.
If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State’s office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies.
Sounds like a Vince Flynn novel.
• • •
Peter Goelz knows a little something about conspiracy theorists.
He was managing director of the National Transportation Safety Board in 1996 when TWA Flight 800 crashed off Long Island, killing 230 people. While the NTSB’s investigation found no evidence of sabotage or terrorism, the Internet was stocked with insistent accusations.
“We were right at the beginning of this Internet lunacy,” Goelz said in an interview with PolitiFact. “And there were a variety of crackpot Web sites and Web commentators that generated all sorts of rumors. The principle one was that TWA in fact was shot down by an errant Navy missile in ... a live-fire exercise off the Hamptons.”
Nine miles off Long Island, in the middle of summer. And then a full-scale coverup by the Navy and all the sailors involved.
“I am sure that we spent another $10-million, perhaps $20-million, out of a $50-million investigation, to just knock down and put to bed these kinds of rumors, these insidious rumors,” Goelz said. “We felt like we had to answer every question because it was such a public and dreadful and confounding event.”
Goelz, who is now a communications consultant in Washington, D.C., says the Internet has given a platform to anyone to say anything. And a way to find others who want to hear it.
“Online, they can be almost anything,” he said. “They can be the crusading investigators that they always wanted to be.”
• • •
The Hawaii Department of Health receives about a dozen e-mail inquiries a day about Obama’s birth certificate, spokesman Okubo said.
“I guess the big issue that’s being raised is the lack of an embossed seal and a signature,” Okubo said, pointing out that in Hawaii, both those things are on the back of the document. “Because they scanned the front … you wouldn’t see those things.”
Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and it is identical to the Obama one we received.
And about the copy we e-mailed her for verification? “When we looked at that image you guys sent us, our registrar, he thought he could see pieces of the embossed image through it.”
Still, she acknowledges: “I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.”
• • •
And there’s the rub. It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible.
But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over.
There is not one shred of evidence to disprove PolitiFact’s conclusion that the candidate’s name is Barack Hussein Obama, or to support allegations that the birth certificate he released isn’t authentic.
And that’s true no matter how many people cling to some hint of doubt and use the Internet to fuel their innate sense of distrust.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
The republicans are desperate.
source: News Hounds
Fox News Legitimizes Birthers
July 14, 2009
Perhaps desperate for new ways to undermine Barack Obama’s presidency, Fox News has joined forces with the “birthers,” the fringe who irrationally claim that Obama’s presidency is illegitimate because he was not born in the U.S. As Think Progress has reported, Obama’s Hawaii birth certificate is widely available on the internet. FactCheck.org has also extensively researched the subject. Their conclusion: Born in the U.S.A. But Fox News has started reporting on birthers without noting the baselessness of their claims, and in ways that lend legitimacy to their efforts. With video.
During Special Report’s Political Grapevine segment tonight (7/14/09), Bret Baier announced (at about 40 seconds into the first video below), “A U.S. soldier who has been ordered to Afghanistan is refusing to go… (saying) President Obama was not born in the United States and therefore is ineligible to be Commander-in-Chief. A Columbus, Georgia newspaper reports (the soldier) has filed a request in federal court seeking a temporary restraining order on his deployment. (His) attorney is involved in a second case that challenges the legitimacy of the Obama presidency. The Los Angeles Times reports a California judge has agreed to hear the merits of that case.” As a banner on the screen read, “PERSISTENT PROBLEM” next to a photo of Obama and the U.S. Supreme Court, Baier added, “It is just one of dozens of legal challenges to the president’s nationality.”
But rather than inform his viewers that those “challenges” have been thoroughly debunked, Baier presented the issue as a he said/she said, adding, “At least two of them have already been dismissed by the Supreme Court. The White House press secretary again Monday brushed aside the matter, saying, quote, ‘The noble truth is that the president was born in Hawaii, a state of the United States of America.’” Baier never pointed out that Obama's American birth certificate has been produced and authenticated.
Sean Hannity presented the same story during his Hannity’s America segment. He likewise failed to note in any way the illegitimacy of the claim, or the availability of Obama's birth certificate. Instead, Hannity characterized the case as “controversial." He said, (at a little more than two minutes into the second video below), “At least one soldier is now refusing to go (to Afghanistan, as part of President Obama’s surge). Now, according to Georgia’s Ledger-Enquirer newspaper, (the soldier) doesn’t believe that President Obama can send troops overseas because (the soldier) says that Mr. Obama was not born in the U.S.A. Now, (the soldier) plans to argue that controversial claim in a federal courtroom in Georgia on Thursday, just one day after he was ordered to report for duty.”
In fact, the Ledger-Enquirer had already reported that the Army has revoked the soldier’s deployment orders, although the reason has not been released.
But the most egregious example is on Fox’s “fair and balanced” website, Fox Nation. There a headline a reads, “Obama Birth Certificate Challenge Wins Small Court Victory,” once again implying that the claim may have at least some merit. Even worse, above the headline is a large photo of Obama in a turban. It’s hard to believe that the photo and headline were chosen for any other reason than to raise the suggestion that Obama is, in fact, foreign. The article that the headline links to, from the Los Angeles Times, makes it clear that the “court victory” is a procedural one. The Times noted that there are reasons to doubt the case will ever be fully aired, that similar claims have fared poorly in court. But there is no mention of that on Fox Nation, itself, and no mention that the “controversy” over Obama’s birth certificate has been completely investigated and put to rest by rational people. There was also no mention that one of the plaintiffs in this California case is Pastor Wiley Drake, who has admitted to praying for the death of President Obama. Baier similarly failed to point that out to the "we report, you decide" network's viewers.
source: News Hounds
Fox News Legitimizes Birthers
July 14, 2009
Perhaps desperate for new ways to undermine Barack Obama’s presidency, Fox News has joined forces with the “birthers,” the fringe who irrationally claim that Obama’s presidency is illegitimate because he was not born in the U.S. As Think Progress has reported, Obama’s Hawaii birth certificate is widely available on the internet. FactCheck.org has also extensively researched the subject. Their conclusion: Born in the U.S.A. But Fox News has started reporting on birthers without noting the baselessness of their claims, and in ways that lend legitimacy to their efforts. With video.
During Special Report’s Political Grapevine segment tonight (7/14/09), Bret Baier announced (at about 40 seconds into the first video below), “A U.S. soldier who has been ordered to Afghanistan is refusing to go… (saying) President Obama was not born in the United States and therefore is ineligible to be Commander-in-Chief. A Columbus, Georgia newspaper reports (the soldier) has filed a request in federal court seeking a temporary restraining order on his deployment. (His) attorney is involved in a second case that challenges the legitimacy of the Obama presidency. The Los Angeles Times reports a California judge has agreed to hear the merits of that case.” As a banner on the screen read, “PERSISTENT PROBLEM” next to a photo of Obama and the U.S. Supreme Court, Baier added, “It is just one of dozens of legal challenges to the president’s nationality.”
But rather than inform his viewers that those “challenges” have been thoroughly debunked, Baier presented the issue as a he said/she said, adding, “At least two of them have already been dismissed by the Supreme Court. The White House press secretary again Monday brushed aside the matter, saying, quote, ‘The noble truth is that the president was born in Hawaii, a state of the United States of America.’” Baier never pointed out that Obama's American birth certificate has been produced and authenticated.
Sean Hannity presented the same story during his Hannity’s America segment. He likewise failed to note in any way the illegitimacy of the claim, or the availability of Obama's birth certificate. Instead, Hannity characterized the case as “controversial." He said, (at a little more than two minutes into the second video below), “At least one soldier is now refusing to go (to Afghanistan, as part of President Obama’s surge). Now, according to Georgia’s Ledger-Enquirer newspaper, (the soldier) doesn’t believe that President Obama can send troops overseas because (the soldier) says that Mr. Obama was not born in the U.S.A. Now, (the soldier) plans to argue that controversial claim in a federal courtroom in Georgia on Thursday, just one day after he was ordered to report for duty.”
In fact, the Ledger-Enquirer had already reported that the Army has revoked the soldier’s deployment orders, although the reason has not been released.
But the most egregious example is on Fox’s “fair and balanced” website, Fox Nation. There a headline a reads, “Obama Birth Certificate Challenge Wins Small Court Victory,” once again implying that the claim may have at least some merit. Even worse, above the headline is a large photo of Obama in a turban. It’s hard to believe that the photo and headline were chosen for any other reason than to raise the suggestion that Obama is, in fact, foreign. The article that the headline links to, from the Los Angeles Times, makes it clear that the “court victory” is a procedural one. The Times noted that there are reasons to doubt the case will ever be fully aired, that similar claims have fared poorly in court. But there is no mention of that on Fox Nation, itself, and no mention that the “controversy” over Obama’s birth certificate has been completely investigated and put to rest by rational people. There was also no mention that one of the plaintiffs in this California case is Pastor Wiley Drake, who has admitted to praying for the death of President Obama. Baier similarly failed to point that out to the "we report, you decide" network's viewers.
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Thanks; I read a story about this the other day. That story named the soldier and pointed out that he was no mere soldier, he is an officer, a "Major", in the U.S. Army. In my opinion, this is more than a "soldier's story". When a middle grade officer challenges the President of the United States in this manner, one should take closer note.
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Thanks; I read a story about this the other day. That story named the soldier and pointed out that he was no mere soldier, he is an officer, a "Major", in the U.S. Army. In my opinion, this is more than a "soldier's story". When a middle grade officer challenges the President of the United States in this manner, one should take closer note.
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One, because insubordination by officers of any rank, if not properly dealt with, could lead to serious issues between that well maintained wall between civilian and military rule.
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General, lieutenant colonel join suit similar to 2 already thrown out</font size></center>
Columbus Ledger-enquirer
By Lily Gordon - lgordon@ledger-enquirer.com
Thursday, Jul. 16, 2009
A controversial suit brought by a U.S. Army reservist has been joined by a retired Army two-star general and an active reserve Air Force lieutenant colonel.
Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook filed the suit July 8 in federal court here asking for conscientious objector status and a preliminary injunction based upon his belief that President Barack Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States and is therefore ineligible to serve as president of the United States and commander-in-chief of the U.S. Armed Forces.
However, before the issue got to court, Cook’s orders to deploy to Afghanistan were revoked. Lt. Col. Maria Quon, a public affairs officer with the U.S. Army Human Resources Command-St. Louis, said Tuesday that Cook was no longer expected to report Wednesday to MacDill Air Force Base in Florida for mobilization to active duty. Cook, who claims he is now the victim of retaliation due to his suit, received his mobilization orders to report for active duty at MacDill on Wednesday. From there, he was to go to Fort Benning on Saturday for deployment to Afghanistan.
Cook is an Individual Mobilization Augmentee. This means he’s a reserve soldier assigned to an active component unit consisting of active duty soldiers instead of a reserve unit, which is composed entirely of reserve soldiers. He is assigned to the U.S. Army Element of U.S. Southern Command.
Last week, Cook filed a request in federal court seeking a temporary restraining order and status as a conscientious objector represented by California attorney Orly Taitz.
The government, in its response to the suit, claims that Cook’s suit is “moot” in that he already has been told he doesn’t have to go to Afghanistan, so the relief he is seeking has been granted.
“The Commanding General of SOCCENT (U.S. Special Operations Central Command) has determined that he does not want the services of Major Cook, and has revoked his deployment orders,” the response states.
In a pleading revised after the revocation of Cook’s orders, Taitz argues that the application for preliminary injunction is not moot and that retired Maj. Gen. Carol Dean Childers and active U.S. Air Force reservist Lt. Col. David Earl Graeff have joined the suit “because it is a matter of unparalleled public interest and importance and because it is clearly a matter arising from issues of a recurring nature that will escape review unless the Court exercises its discretionary jurisdiction.”
Cook’s resubmitted Application for Preliminary Injunction is meant to encompass the possibility of Cook receiving future orders for deployment as well as to address and prevent “negative collateral consequences such as retaliation against Major Stefan Frederick Cook ...”
As to the retaliation issue, the revised suit states Cook lost his job at Simtech Inc., a corporation that does Department of Defense contracting in the field of information technology/systems integration, because of the suit. It also states that Cook has been subjected to “gossip” from people who believed Cook was “manipulating his deployment orders to create a platform for political purposes.”
Taitz, who has challenged the legitimacy of Obama’s presidency in other courts, filed the original suit with the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Georgia. Two similar suits have previously been thrown out of federal court.
In the filing, Cook states he “would be acting in violation of international law by engaging in military actions outside the United States under this President’s command. … simultaneously subjecting himself to possible prosecution as a war criminal by the faithful execution of these duties.”
A hearing to discuss Cook’s requests is scheduled to take place in federal court here this morning at 9:30 a.m.
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/200/story/778482.html
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General, lieutenant colonel join suit similar to 2 already thrown out</font size></center>
Columbus Ledger-enquirer
By Lily Gordon - lgordon@ledger-enquirer.com
Thursday, Jul. 16, 2009
A controversial suit brought by a U.S. Army reservist has been joined by a retired Army two-star general and an active reserve Air Force lieutenant colonel.
Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook filed the suit July 8 in federal court here asking for conscientious objector status and a preliminary injunction based upon his belief that President Barack Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States and is therefore ineligible to serve as president of the United States and commander-in-chief of the U.S. Armed Forces.
However, before the issue got to court, Cook’s orders to deploy to Afghanistan were revoked. Lt. Col. Maria Quon, a public affairs officer with the U.S. Army Human Resources Command-St. Louis, said Tuesday that Cook was no longer expected to report Wednesday to MacDill Air Force Base in Florida for mobilization to active duty. Cook, who claims he is now the victim of retaliation due to his suit, received his mobilization orders to report for active duty at MacDill on Wednesday. From there, he was to go to Fort Benning on Saturday for deployment to Afghanistan.
Cook is an Individual Mobilization Augmentee. This means he’s a reserve soldier assigned to an active component unit consisting of active duty soldiers instead of a reserve unit, which is composed entirely of reserve soldiers. He is assigned to the U.S. Army Element of U.S. Southern Command.
Last week, Cook filed a request in federal court seeking a temporary restraining order and status as a conscientious objector represented by California attorney Orly Taitz.
The government, in its response to the suit, claims that Cook’s suit is “moot” in that he already has been told he doesn’t have to go to Afghanistan, so the relief he is seeking has been granted.
“The Commanding General of SOCCENT (U.S. Special Operations Central Command) has determined that he does not want the services of Major Cook, and has revoked his deployment orders,” the response states.
In a pleading revised after the revocation of Cook’s orders, Taitz argues that the application for preliminary injunction is not moot and that retired Maj. Gen. Carol Dean Childers and active U.S. Air Force reservist Lt. Col. David Earl Graeff have joined the suit “because it is a matter of unparalleled public interest and importance and because it is clearly a matter arising from issues of a recurring nature that will escape review unless the Court exercises its discretionary jurisdiction.”
Cook’s resubmitted Application for Preliminary Injunction is meant to encompass the possibility of Cook receiving future orders for deployment as well as to address and prevent “negative collateral consequences such as retaliation against Major Stefan Frederick Cook ...”
As to the retaliation issue, the revised suit states Cook lost his job at Simtech Inc., a corporation that does Department of Defense contracting in the field of information technology/systems integration, because of the suit. It also states that Cook has been subjected to “gossip” from people who believed Cook was “manipulating his deployment orders to create a platform for political purposes.”
Taitz, who has challenged the legitimacy of Obama’s presidency in other courts, filed the original suit with the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Georgia. Two similar suits have previously been thrown out of federal court.
In the filing, Cook states he “would be acting in violation of international law by engaging in military actions outside the United States under this President’s command. … simultaneously subjecting himself to possible prosecution as a war criminal by the faithful execution of these duties.”
A hearing to discuss Cook’s requests is scheduled to take place in federal court here this morning at 9:30 a.m.
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/200/story/778482.html
I agree. This traitor needs to be made an example of. There are those that rule there lives from opinion like actinanass. You can site facts and they will claim that a counter argument based on opinion is just a valid as credible evidence. Political descent is totally acceptable, but when the Supreme Court throws out these claims, due to there absurdity, military officers that know the power of moral breakdown in the ranks must be dealt with. Such is the intellect of the republican right.
I've been silent on this subject for a reason, My "legalese" isn't where I would like it to be but I think I've figured this one out:
On January 21st, 2009, his very first day in office, Barack Obama implemented and signed into law Executive Order 13489.
Executive Order 13489: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-1712.pdf
section 2 applies:
Notice Of Intent To Disclose Presidential Records
"When the Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines providied by the incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of executive privilege.”
On January 21st, 2009, his very first day in office, Barack Obama implemented and signed into law Executive Order 13489.
Executive Order 13489: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-1712.pdf
section 2 applies:
Notice Of Intent To Disclose Presidential Records
"When the Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines providied by the incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of executive privilege.”
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Again, Says Hawaii Health Director:
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Reported by: Andrew Pereira
Email: apereira@khon2.com
July 27, 2009
Hawaii State Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino issued a statement Monday saying President Barack Obama was born in Honolulu and she had seen the vital records first hand.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen,” the statement read.
It was the second time in nearly nine months Dr. Fukino was forced to dispel rumors that Obama, the nation’s 44th president, was actually born in Kenya.
Resurgence of the debate over Mr. Obama’s birthplace came after a resolution honoring the fiftieth anniversary of Hawaii’s statehood was about to be approved on the floor of the U.S. House.
Rep. Michelle Bachmann, Minnesota republican, temporarily blocked the resolution when she objected by saying the House did not have the required quorum.
Moments earlier Bachmann had stood in support of the resolution. However a “whereas” clause provided fodder for those who believe Mr. Obama was actually born in Kenya. The resolution states that President Obama was born in Hawaii.
"If this were a conspiracy,” Hawaii Democratic Party Chair Brian Schatz told Khon2, “this would have had to start in 1961. And so it's a little outlandish to imagine how this conspiracy would have occurred.”
During the presidential campaign Mr. Obama placed his Hawaii birth certificate on the website fightthesmears.com in response to claims he wasn’t a natural born American citizen.
The birth certificate lists Obama’s place of birth as Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu on August 4, 1961 at 7:24 p.m.
Schatz believes most Americans don’t place any credibility on claims President Obama was actually born in Kenya, but he says some members of Congress have done little to dispel the myth.
“I think this would've stayed outside of the mainstream were it not for elected members of Congress who want to sort of gin up this part of their base,” he said.
Khon2 was unable to reach Rep. Bachmann or one of her aides. The Hawaii statehood resolution eventually passed the House by a vote of 378-0, with Rep. Bachmann voting in favor.
Andrew may be reached at ph. 368-7273.
http://www.khon2.com/news/local/sto...s-Health-Director/_LSJhSkW5keYHVRYp9PHqg.cspx
Again, Says Hawaii Health Director:
Obama Hawaiin Born</font size></center>
Reported by: Andrew Pereira
Email: apereira@khon2.com
July 27, 2009
Hawaii State Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino issued a statement Monday saying President Barack Obama was born in Honolulu and she had seen the vital records first hand.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen,” the statement read.
It was the second time in nearly nine months Dr. Fukino was forced to dispel rumors that Obama, the nation’s 44th president, was actually born in Kenya.
Resurgence of the debate over Mr. Obama’s birthplace came after a resolution honoring the fiftieth anniversary of Hawaii’s statehood was about to be approved on the floor of the U.S. House.
Rep. Michelle Bachmann, Minnesota republican, temporarily blocked the resolution when she objected by saying the House did not have the required quorum.
Moments earlier Bachmann had stood in support of the resolution. However a “whereas” clause provided fodder for those who believe Mr. Obama was actually born in Kenya. The resolution states that President Obama was born in Hawaii.
"If this were a conspiracy,” Hawaii Democratic Party Chair Brian Schatz told Khon2, “this would have had to start in 1961. And so it's a little outlandish to imagine how this conspiracy would have occurred.”
During the presidential campaign Mr. Obama placed his Hawaii birth certificate on the website fightthesmears.com in response to claims he wasn’t a natural born American citizen.
The birth certificate lists Obama’s place of birth as Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu on August 4, 1961 at 7:24 p.m.
Schatz believes most Americans don’t place any credibility on claims President Obama was actually born in Kenya, but he says some members of Congress have done little to dispel the myth.
“I think this would've stayed outside of the mainstream were it not for elected members of Congress who want to sort of gin up this part of their base,” he said.
Khon2 was unable to reach Rep. Bachmann or one of her aides. The Hawaii statehood resolution eventually passed the House by a vote of 378-0, with Rep. Bachmann voting in favor.
Andrew may be reached at ph. 368-7273.
http://www.khon2.com/news/local/sto...s-Health-Director/_LSJhSkW5keYHVRYp9PHqg.cspx
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The birthers in Congress</font size><font size="4">
Seventeen men and women who are either
enabling the fringe movement or having
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Clockwise from top left, Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Okla.;
Rep. Bill Posey, R-Fla.; Rep. Mary Bono Mack, R-
Calif.; Rep. John Culberson, R-Texas; Rep. Marsha
Blackburn, R-Tenn.; Rep. John Campbell, R-Calif.
By Gabriel Winant
July 28, 2009
"The only people that I know who are afraid to take drug tests are the people who use drugs," says Rep. Bill Posey. The Florida Republican is the author of the so-called "birther" bill, which would require future presidential candidates to submit their birth certificates. The fact that President Obama has already submitted -- forgive the extension of Posey's metaphor -- a clean urine sample seems to be completely irrelevant. Whether it's out of cynicism, fear of the GOP base or a simple inability to read and reason, the ranks of birthers in Congress seem to be growing.
Salon has here in its (virtual) hand a list of 17 names of members of Congress who have either expressed support for, or refused to oppose, the idea that America has a foreign president problem. You'd be surprised how hard it is to get a member of Congress to say that Barack Obama is a natural-born citizen with the right to be president. Or maybe you wouldn't. Meet the birthers on the Hill:
Counting the Facebook friends, that's 17 Republican elected officials who either seem doubtful that Obama is a legal head of state or are more willing to indulge and even fan the unfounded doubts of their constituents. Nearly one in 10 members of the House Republican Caucus can fairly be said to have birther sympathies, and those are just the ones we know about. The evasiveness doesn't really look great either. After all, as Posey says, the only people who won't take drug tests are the ones doing drugs.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/07/28/birther_enablers/
The birthers in Congress</font size><font size="4">
Seventeen men and women who are either
enabling the fringe movement or having
trouble admitting Obama is president</font size></center>
Clockwise from top left, Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Okla.;
Rep. Bill Posey, R-Fla.; Rep. Mary Bono Mack, R-
Calif.; Rep. John Culberson, R-Texas; Rep. Marsha
Blackburn, R-Tenn.; Rep. John Campbell, R-Calif.
By Gabriel Winant
July 28, 2009
"The only people that I know who are afraid to take drug tests are the people who use drugs," says Rep. Bill Posey. The Florida Republican is the author of the so-called "birther" bill, which would require future presidential candidates to submit their birth certificates. The fact that President Obama has already submitted -- forgive the extension of Posey's metaphor -- a clean urine sample seems to be completely irrelevant. Whether it's out of cynicism, fear of the GOP base or a simple inability to read and reason, the ranks of birthers in Congress seem to be growing.
Salon has here in its (virtual) hand a list of 17 names of members of Congress who have either expressed support for, or refused to oppose, the idea that America has a foreign president problem. You'd be surprised how hard it is to get a member of Congress to say that Barack Obama is a natural-born citizen with the right to be president. Or maybe you wouldn't. Meet the birthers on the Hill:
- Rep: Bill Posey, R-Fla.: Though rumors of then-candidate Barack Obama's ineligibility for office incubated in right-wing fever swamps during the campaign, they found their first congressional ally in the actual swamps of Florida. Posey, a first-term representative from the "Space Coast" of Florida, is the sponsor of a bill that would require presidential candidates to submit their birth certificates. Posey has said that he can't "swear on a stack of Bibles" that Obama is a citizen. The congressman told Lou Dobbs, "The eligibility of the president to serve under the Constitution has arisen five times, and Congress has failed to do anything about it thus far." Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona Territory, Posey points out. George Romney was born in Mexico. Shoot, John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, and, claims Posey, the New York Times and Washington Post thought that made him ineligible. (We must have missed those editions of the Times and the Post. Posey's office has not responded to a request for comment.)
- Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind.: Paranoia is how Burton gets in the news. In the 1990s, the Indiana Republican shot a pumpkin in his backyard to demonstrate how the Clintons could have whacked Vince Foster. Now he's a co-sponsor of the birther bill. Says a spokesperson, explaining Burton's co-sponsorhip, "You don't want to needlessly expose presidents to crazy conspiracy theories." No, of course not.
- Team Stonewall: Mike Stark, of the blog FireDogLake, wandered around the Capitol trying, and mainly failing, to get a straight answer. Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers, R-Wash., tells Stark she "would like to see the documents." One wonders what's stopping her. Rep. Charles Boustany, R-La., says the issue of Obama's eligibility "is certainly being looked at." (Though apparently not by him.) "I think there are questions. We'll have to see."
Rep. Jeff Fortenberry, R-Neb., asks Stark, "Do you have some evidence that he is or isn't?" Rep. Greg Harper, R-Miss., says that he thinks that "the Constitution speaks for itself, and it'll be up to others to look into that." Michigan's Rep. Thaddeus McCotter, asked whether Obama was born in the United States, says, "I'm focused on healthcare issues." (When the question was reiterated by Salon, a McCotter spokesperson again refused to comment, saying, "He's focused on healthcare like he said.") However, Rep. Tom Price, who sprinted away from Stark's camera, apparently doesn't want to be a member of Team Stonewall. A Price spokesman told Salon that Price was only running because he was late for a vote, and that Price does in fact believe that Obama was born in the United States.
- The Gaggle of Unknown Texans: Reps. John Carter, John Culberson, Kenny Marchant, Ted Poe and Randy Neugebauer, all backbench Texas Republicans, have signed on to the Posey bill. Says Neugebauer, "I don't have the documentation one way or the other. And so my assumption is that he is a natural-born citizen, that hopefully the appropriate people checked that." Apparently, Neugebauer also does not have access to the Internet. Explains a spokesperson for Carter, "The requirement is there in the law upfront. So all of our candidates in the future should respond and present the documentation upfront, and then there can't be any of these type of charges." Chalk all these charges against Obama to his tardiness in presenting his documentation. He waited all the way until June of 2008.
- The Facebook Friends: A number of prominent Republicans are friends with birther leaders on Facebook. Of course, Facebook friendship need not imply an endorsement, in any form, of the denial of the president's eligibility for office. For example, New Jersey's Rep. Scott Garrett is Facebook friends with Philip Berg, a big-time birther. "Oh my," said Garrett communications director Erica Elliott in response to this information. Elliott had never heard of Berg, but explained that Garrett doesn't manage his Facebook account, and a staffer must have confirmed Berg's friendship request, unaware of who he is.
The most aggressive Facebook user among the birthers is Orly Taitz, the California dentist-lawyer-real estate agent who may also be the best-known birther, even though she is a Facebook novice. "Today," she posted Sunday, "is the first day my assistants Vivian and Theresa opened my Facebook account to wide audience." Already she counts Rep. Eric Cantor, the House minority whip, among her virtual friends. But Cantor's spokesperson says much the same thing that Garrett's did: "She is registering her support for Eric Cantor, and nothing more. Not vice versa." (Taitz is also Facebook friends with Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele, whose office did not respond to a request for comment.)
Finally, Taitz claims that she was friended by Rep. Mary Bono Mack of California shortly after becoming active on Facebook. "Amazingly, Congresswoman Mary Bono asked to be my friend on Facebook."
A spokeswoman for Bono Mack told Salon that the Facebook friendship with Taitz doesn’t indicate support for Taitz, and is just a form of general, broad outreach. However, given three opportunities to agree on behalf of Bono Mack that the president was born in the United States and is qualified to command the armed forces, the spokeswoman refused to comment.
Counting the Facebook friends, that's 17 Republican elected officials who either seem doubtful that Obama is a legal head of state or are more willing to indulge and even fan the unfounded doubts of their constituents. Nearly one in 10 members of the House Republican Caucus can fairly be said to have birther sympathies, and those are just the ones we know about. The evasiveness doesn't really look great either. After all, as Posey says, the only people who won't take drug tests are the ones doing drugs.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/07/28/birther_enablers/
$20,000.00 fine for being a bitch of an asshole
Birther leader Orly Taitz has been fined for "wasting the judicial resources" of the Middle District of Georgia with her "frivolous and sanctionable conduct."
Taitz filed a lawsuit demanding that President Obama prove his citizenship before deploying an Army captain to Iraq and Afghanistan. However, the soldier herself has disavowed her lawyer and threatened to file a bar complaint against Taitz.
Judge Clay Land wrote that Taitz's behavior in the case "borders on delusional" and "demonstrates bad faith."
Regrettably, the conduct of counsel Orly Taitz has crossed these lines, and Ms. Taitz must be sanctioned for her misconduct. After a full review of the sanctionable conduct, counsel's conduct leading up to that conduct, and counsel's response to the Court's show cause order, the Court finds that a monetary penalty of $20,000.00 shall be imposed upon counsel Orly Taitz as punishment for her misconduct, as a deterrent to prevent future misconduct, and to protect the integrity of the Court. Payment shall be made to the United States, through the Middle District of Georgia Clerk's Office, within thirty days of today's Order. If counsel fails to pay the sanction due, the U.S. Attorney will be authorized to commence collection proceedings.
In an interview with Talking Points Memo, Taitz said she had no intention of paying the fine. "Are you kidding? Of course not," she said. "This is a form of intimidation."
This bitch still doesn't get it.
The full document:
Link
-VG
Birther leader Orly Taitz has been fined for "wasting the judicial resources" of the Middle District of Georgia with her "frivolous and sanctionable conduct."
Taitz filed a lawsuit demanding that President Obama prove his citizenship before deploying an Army captain to Iraq and Afghanistan. However, the soldier herself has disavowed her lawyer and threatened to file a bar complaint against Taitz.
Judge Clay Land wrote that Taitz's behavior in the case "borders on delusional" and "demonstrates bad faith."
Regrettably, the conduct of counsel Orly Taitz has crossed these lines, and Ms. Taitz must be sanctioned for her misconduct. After a full review of the sanctionable conduct, counsel's conduct leading up to that conduct, and counsel's response to the Court's show cause order, the Court finds that a monetary penalty of $20,000.00 shall be imposed upon counsel Orly Taitz as punishment for her misconduct, as a deterrent to prevent future misconduct, and to protect the integrity of the Court. Payment shall be made to the United States, through the Middle District of Georgia Clerk's Office, within thirty days of today's Order. If counsel fails to pay the sanction due, the U.S. Attorney will be authorized to commence collection proceedings.
In an interview with Talking Points Memo, Taitz said she had no intention of paying the fine. "Are you kidding? Of course not," she said. "This is a form of intimidation."
This bitch still doesn't get it.
The full document:
Link
-VG
Re: $20,000.00 fine for being a bitch of an asshole
Man, this chick is off the "legal chain"!!! Of course, there are crazies everywhere, in every profession and in every movement. But the Birther Movement seems to have more crazies, than most.
Thanks for this VG.
QueEx
Man, this chick is off the "legal chain"!!! Of course, there are crazies everywhere, in every profession and in every movement. But the Birther Movement seems to have more crazies, than most.
Thanks for this VG.
QueEx
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Palin flirts with Obama birth certificate questions</font size></center>
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Washington Post
By Garance Franke-Ruta
December 4, 2009
Former Alaska governor Sarah Palin gave support Thursday to a conspiracy theory promoted by fringe groups, that President Obama may not have an American birth certificate, saying, "I think the public rightfully is still making it an issue."
Palin's comments came in an interview on "The Rusty Humphries Show", a conservative radio program, while promoting her book about the 2008 presidential campaign, "Going Rogue."
"I think it's a fair question, just like I think past associations and past voting records -- all of that is fair game," the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee said when asked if she thought Obama's citizenship was a fair question to examine. Those who ask such questions about the birth certificate have become known as "birthers" and are a persistent and vocal presence in GOP circles, especially within the Tea Party movement that has sprung up over the course of 2009. Palin has agreed to be the keynote speaker at the First National Tea Party Convention at the Opryland Hotel in Nashville Feb. 4-6.
But as news of her comments spread online, Palin seemingly thought the better of her approach and took to Facebook to say that, while she may have said she supports others questioning the president about his citizenship, she herself has not raised such questions.
"At no point - not during the campaign, and not during recent interviews - have I asked the president to produce his birth certificate or suggested that he was not born in the United States," Palin wrote in a Facebook note posted at 1:16am Eastern time Friday, under the headline "Stupid Conspiracies."
"Voters have every right to ask candidates for information if they so choose. I've pointed out that it was seemingly fair game during the 2008 election for many on the left to badger my doctor and lawyer for proof that Trig is in fact my child. Conspiracy-minded reporters and voters had a right to ask... which they have repeatedly," she wrote.
On the Humphries show, Palin said she thought she would not need to raise questions about Obama's citizenship herself, should she seek to challenge him for office in 2012, because others would do so.
"Would you make the birth certificate an issue if you ran?" Humphries asked.
"Um, I think the public rightfully is still making it an issue. I don't have a problem with that. I don't know if I would have to bother to make it an issue, 'cause I think enough members of the electorate still want answers," Palin said.
Questioning Obama's birth certificate would be turnabout as fair play, suggested Palin, because of "that weird conspiracy-theory freaky thing that people talk about, that Trig isn't my real son. And a lot of people, well, 'You need to produce his birth certificate. You need to prove that he's your kid,' which we have done. But uh, yeah. So maybe we can reverse that and use the same [inaudible word] type-thinking on the other one."
Palin is among the most high-profile members of the GOP to encourage doubts about the legitimacy of the president on citizenship grounds. Such questions were investigated by staffers on the McCain-Palin campaign during 2008, former general counsel Trevor Potter told The Washington Independent in July, and found them baseless.
"To the extent that we could, we looked into the substantive side of these allegations," Potter said. "We never saw any evidence that then-Senator Obama had been born outside of the United States. We saw rumors, but nothing that could be sourced to evidence. There were no statements and no documents that suggested he was born somewhere else.
"On the other side, there was proof that he was born in Hawaii," Potter added. "There was a certificate issued by the state's Department of Health, and the responsible official in the state saying that he had personally seen the original certificate. There was a birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser, which would be very difficult to invent or plant 47 years in advance."
A spokesperson for Republican National Committee that same month said chairman Michael Steele believed that questions about Obama's birth certificate were "an unnecessary distraction". He "believes that the president is a U.S. citizen," spokesperson Gail Gitcho told The Plum Line.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/12/palin-flirts-with-obama-birth.html?wprss=44
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Palin flirts with Obama birth certificate questions</font size></center>
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Washington Post
By Garance Franke-Ruta
December 4, 2009
Former Alaska governor Sarah Palin gave support Thursday to a conspiracy theory promoted by fringe groups, that President Obama may not have an American birth certificate, saying, "I think the public rightfully is still making it an issue."
Palin's comments came in an interview on "The Rusty Humphries Show", a conservative radio program, while promoting her book about the 2008 presidential campaign, "Going Rogue."
"I think it's a fair question, just like I think past associations and past voting records -- all of that is fair game," the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee said when asked if she thought Obama's citizenship was a fair question to examine. Those who ask such questions about the birth certificate have become known as "birthers" and are a persistent and vocal presence in GOP circles, especially within the Tea Party movement that has sprung up over the course of 2009. Palin has agreed to be the keynote speaker at the First National Tea Party Convention at the Opryland Hotel in Nashville Feb. 4-6.
But as news of her comments spread online, Palin seemingly thought the better of her approach and took to Facebook to say that, while she may have said she supports others questioning the president about his citizenship, she herself has not raised such questions.
"At no point - not during the campaign, and not during recent interviews - have I asked the president to produce his birth certificate or suggested that he was not born in the United States," Palin wrote in a Facebook note posted at 1:16am Eastern time Friday, under the headline "Stupid Conspiracies."
"Voters have every right to ask candidates for information if they so choose. I've pointed out that it was seemingly fair game during the 2008 election for many on the left to badger my doctor and lawyer for proof that Trig is in fact my child. Conspiracy-minded reporters and voters had a right to ask... which they have repeatedly," she wrote.
On the Humphries show, Palin said she thought she would not need to raise questions about Obama's citizenship herself, should she seek to challenge him for office in 2012, because others would do so.
"Would you make the birth certificate an issue if you ran?" Humphries asked.
"Um, I think the public rightfully is still making it an issue. I don't have a problem with that. I don't know if I would have to bother to make it an issue, 'cause I think enough members of the electorate still want answers," Palin said.
Questioning Obama's birth certificate would be turnabout as fair play, suggested Palin, because of "that weird conspiracy-theory freaky thing that people talk about, that Trig isn't my real son. And a lot of people, well, 'You need to produce his birth certificate. You need to prove that he's your kid,' which we have done. But uh, yeah. So maybe we can reverse that and use the same [inaudible word] type-thinking on the other one."
Palin is among the most high-profile members of the GOP to encourage doubts about the legitimacy of the president on citizenship grounds. Such questions were investigated by staffers on the McCain-Palin campaign during 2008, former general counsel Trevor Potter told The Washington Independent in July, and found them baseless.
"To the extent that we could, we looked into the substantive side of these allegations," Potter said. "We never saw any evidence that then-Senator Obama had been born outside of the United States. We saw rumors, but nothing that could be sourced to evidence. There were no statements and no documents that suggested he was born somewhere else.
"On the other side, there was proof that he was born in Hawaii," Potter added. "There was a certificate issued by the state's Department of Health, and the responsible official in the state saying that he had personally seen the original certificate. There was a birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser, which would be very difficult to invent or plant 47 years in advance."
A spokesperson for Republican National Committee that same month said chairman Michael Steele believed that questions about Obama's birth certificate were "an unnecessary distraction". He "believes that the president is a U.S. citizen," spokesperson Gail Gitcho told The Plum Line.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/12/palin-flirts-with-obama-birth.html?wprss=44
KENYAN BORN OBAMA ALL SET FOR SENATE former article:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm
AllAfrica.com — “Kampala — Ugandans have formed a group to mobilise support for Kenyan-born Senator…”
http://allafrica.com/stories/200802180051.html
SECURITY CONCERNS FOR TOURISM AS SENATOR OBAMA JETS INTO KENYA
As Kenyan born US Senator Barack Obama…(13th headline down)
http://www.africa-ata.org/ug_newsletter.htm
NPR …STORIES OUT OF AFRICA:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95550177
THE NIGERIAN OBSERVER:
http://oilforimmigration.org/images/screencapt3.jpg
THE GHANAIAN TIMES:
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll1/BecJul/Go_Obama_Ghanaian_Times2.jpg?t=1255731958
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm
AllAfrica.com — “Kampala — Ugandans have formed a group to mobilise support for Kenyan-born Senator…”
http://allafrica.com/stories/200802180051.html
SECURITY CONCERNS FOR TOURISM AS SENATOR OBAMA JETS INTO KENYA
As Kenyan born US Senator Barack Obama…(13th headline down)
http://www.africa-ata.org/ug_newsletter.htm
NPR …STORIES OUT OF AFRICA:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95550177
THE NIGERIAN OBSERVER:
http://oilforimmigration.org/images/screencapt3.jpg
THE GHANAIAN TIMES:
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll1/BecJul/Go_Obama_Ghanaian_Times2.jpg?t=1255731958
The adage is true: the more you repeat a lie the more people believe it.
The 'people' are not driving this story. It's being manipulated by a force with much more influence.
One thing stands out though, Why is he paying Bob Bauer, of Perkins Coie, to continue to defend this case? Thats a legit question cause I know my stingy azz aint givin' up a dime!
I'm not an atty. but can't you sue for damages against people bringing frivilous lawsuits against you?
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The people don’t drive any story. If they did, a health care bill would have passed months ago, half of corporate America would be locked up and the wars would have ended. I though you knew Lamarr.
I don’t understand where you are doing with this. Baur is Obama’s personal attorney. Every president has a personal attorney. GW had one, but that rasied the question was Gonzales the attorney representing the people of the United States or was Gonzales representing GW?
You’re right, you are not an attorney. Obama is a public figure. The rules are different. He is pretty much fair game. If he or any other president could sue for frivolous lawsuits as you put it for defamation of character, you and your type of conspiracy happy theorists would have a shit fit that Obama was trying to be a dictator since the president is constitutionally the chief law enforcer in the government. If a president could sue, Limbaugh and virtually ever right wing conservative pseudo media hack would be serving time. Of course he could do a Nixon and compile an enemies list or do a GW and fire federal prosecutors for not pursuing democrat candidates prior to elections.
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The funny part is the Palin backtrack. She said it was "fair game" then ran away from it when she got called on it. She's so selfcentered and narcissistic that she somehow found a way to equate bullshit blogosphere gossipmongering to a former Vice Presidential candidate questioning the validity of the sitting President of the United States.
She doesn't just make herself look bad but she makes her supporters look like morons.
She doesn't just make herself look bad but she makes her supporters look like morons.
so we should dissolve All corporations, right? Cause corporations are evil, man you smokin! I sell sports memorabelia on the weekends & my partner & I formed an LLC, Am I evil? NO, I just want to be legit! Your "corporate rage" is getting the best of you, you're clearly not thinking rationally.
Its elementary where I'm going with this. The question is: Why is he spending $$$ to keep his long-form BC sealed? Simple question, the rest of that shit was moot.
You so predictable
I understand the rules are different for people with that "stature" but to be more specific: Could the courts hold the prosecuting attornies accountable for expenses incurred by the defense?
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Rep. Paul Broun not sure if Obama is citizen</font size></center>
Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.), shown here on Georgia
public television in July 2008, said Friday that
he’s not sure whether President Barack Obama
is a citizen or a Christian. Photo: AP
P o l i t i c o
By ANDY BARR
March 5, 2010
Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.) said Thursday that he does not know if President Barack Obama is either a citizen or a Christian.
Broun made the claim during an interview with Sirius XM host Pete Dominick, which was first flagged by the liberal blog Think Progress.
Asked if he thought the president is an “American citizen and a Christian,” Broun first responded, “I’m not going to get involved in that.”
But pressed on whether he thought Obama is a citizen, he said “I don’t know.”
“Is he a Christian?” Dominick then asked.
“I don’t know that,” Broun responded, explaining that “I’m a Christian but only me and the Lord know that for sure.”
The Georgia congressman spent much of the rest of the interview attacking Obama as a “socialist.”
“I know he is,” a socialist, Broun said. “You look at his own writings. He said when he was in college he leaned to Marxist tendencies and is linked to Marxist professors. He joined Marxists clubs. And look at who he’s put in his administration, they’re devout socialists.”
“America has to stand up and decide if we want to be a socialist nation or if we’re going to be a free nation,” he said.
Broun spokeswoman Debbee Keller looked to clarify the Republican’s comments after they began to circulate, telling POLITICO: “Dr. Broun did not cast doubt on Obama's religious beliefs or citizenship. When someone else forced the question, he said it wasn't fair to speculate.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/33992.html
Rep. Paul Broun not sure if Obama is citizen</font size></center>
Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.), shown here on Georgia
public television in July 2008, said Friday that
he’s not sure whether President Barack Obama
is a citizen or a Christian. Photo: AP
P o l i t i c o
By ANDY BARR
March 5, 2010
Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.) said Thursday that he does not know if President Barack Obama is either a citizen or a Christian.
Broun made the claim during an interview with Sirius XM host Pete Dominick, which was first flagged by the liberal blog Think Progress.
Asked if he thought the president is an “American citizen and a Christian,” Broun first responded, “I’m not going to get involved in that.”
But pressed on whether he thought Obama is a citizen, he said “I don’t know.”
“Is he a Christian?” Dominick then asked.
“I don’t know that,” Broun responded, explaining that “I’m a Christian but only me and the Lord know that for sure.”
The Georgia congressman spent much of the rest of the interview attacking Obama as a “socialist.”
“I know he is,” a socialist, Broun said. “You look at his own writings. He said when he was in college he leaned to Marxist tendencies and is linked to Marxist professors. He joined Marxists clubs. And look at who he’s put in his administration, they’re devout socialists.”
“America has to stand up and decide if we want to be a socialist nation or if we’re going to be a free nation,” he said.
Broun spokeswoman Debbee Keller looked to clarify the Republican’s comments after they began to circulate, telling POLITICO: “Dr. Broun did not cast doubt on Obama's religious beliefs or citizenship. When someone else forced the question, he said it wasn't fair to speculate.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/33992.html
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