****the Influence Of Hip-hop And Music On Kids******

[TRUFICTION]

I USED TO SAY THAT TODAYS MUSIC AND VIDEOS WERE
AND BAD INFLUENCE ON KIDS ESPECIALLY THE ONES WITH BAD PARENTING.

THEN I ALTERED MY POSITION SLIGHTLY BECAUSE I KNOW
THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS FOR A LOT OF THINGS...............

HOWEVER
I AM NOW ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED THAT
ON A WHOLE RAP OR HIP HOP AND ITS LACK OF METAPHORIC QUALITY
HAS RUINED SOME OF THESE KIDS TO THE POINT THAT
THEY DONT SEE ANYTHING WONG WITH THEIR BEHAVIOR.
I THINK THAT PEER PRESSURE HAS AS MUCH TO DO WITH IT AS WELL.


I SAID ALL THAT TOO SAY
MY TWO DAUGHTERS
GAVE THEIR FIRST PROMOTIONAL TEEN-AGED PARTY LAST NIGHT
AND HAT I SAW WAS APPAULING
I KNOW THAT NONE OF THESE KIDS HAVE BEEN IN A STRIP CLUB
BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT THE INTERNET ALLOWS KIDS
TO EXPOSE THEMSELVES TO SHIT THAT
IN MY GENERATION WAS RESERVED FOR THOSE WHO REACHED A CERTAIN AGE UNLESS THERE WERE VARYING CIRCUMSTANCES
THAT SOMETIMES PUT OR EXPOSED A YOUNG PERSON TO CERTAIN THINGS

THESE 13 TO 18 YEAR OLD GIRLS WERE
IN THERE "DANCING"............AND I USE THAT TERM VERY LOOSELY..........
LIKE STRIPPERS.

I T LOOKED JUST LIKE A STRIP CLUB WITH CLOTHES
I WAS TOLD THAT THIS IS THE WAY WE DANCE.

THE GUYS WOULD SIT ON THE STAGE EDGE OR A CHAIR
AND THE GIRLS WOULD BASICALLY BE GIVING LAP DANCES.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WAS TAT THEY HAD ON CLOTHES.

IM PRETTY OPEN MINDED ABOUT LETTING KIDS DO WHAT KIDS DO
BUT THIS SHIT WAS WAAAAY OVER THE TOP.
I FEEL SORRY FOR THIS NEXT GENERATION OF KIDS
THERE WILL BE EVEN LESS MARRIAGE AND FAMILY THAN THERE IS NOW.


EVEN MORE SADLY WE HAD KIDS OUT THERE AT 2 IN THE MORNING
TRYNG TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY WERE GETTING HOME.
THEY DIDNT DRIVE ,COULDN'T REACH PARENTS OR SOME OTHER SHIT.
IM NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST A FEW EITHER
SHIT WAS CRAZY


IF YOU HAVE KIDS
IF YOU DONT GIVE THEM ANYTHING ELSE..............

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE .....................GIVE THEM SELF-ESTEEM
CARE WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND CARE WHERE THEY ARE.


"ITS 2 AM DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR CHILD IS ?"
SHIT IS SAD.


END OF RANT.

 

[THE DRIZZY]

I'll put it like this; good parenting and a real sense of community is key.


Music most def has influence. Some will say bad music is only entertainment, but I will respond with "it definately is not helping."


Kids in grade school can memorize whole raps but can't write a coherent sentence, read worth a damn, or find their city on a map.

 

[sagelike]

I have a problem placing blame on popular culture or various aspects of the media as a negative influence on children.

An influence, yes.

"Negative" ... well I'm not too sure.

To say that hip hop or other aspects of media (at this point it is hardly an art) is negative is to also say if you remove these aspects what will be left is a "positive".

Well, if you look at history this is just not the case.
Each generation complains about the previous generation. So much so more in modern societies.
And each one claims the other is too much of "A" or too much of "B".

In western societies we have taken responsibility from the young. As we have taken away their responsibility we have taken away any real process for them to find an actual identity that is not based solely on external factors. Because of this they latch onto these external factors (ideals brought across in the media) and overexagerate them to separate themselves from the previous generation (in a form of rebellion due their disenfranchisement of power).

The problem doesn't lie in those "negative" aspects of the media but it lies on how we are hierarchical in our society by doling out power (too) unevenly.


......might just be me though.

 

[cnc]

REAL TALK OP.

The even more tragic part is that in the era of Facebook, MySpace and YouTube, kids are not only exposed to stuff they have no business seeing, but they see NOTHING wrong with broadcasting ALL their business over the internet, including their bodies.

The lack of substance in music and in particular, music videos, is a HUGE reason, IMO.

Just the other day, I watched this bullshit, and it solidifies EVERYTHING that's wrong with modern, mainstream music and the attached videos:


And this shit is the next big thing in music........

Even the best parent can only limit their kids' exposure so much......but it's up to ALL parents to instill self-worth, morals, ethics, and personal responsibility on their kids so they aren't essentially whoring themselves out like in the situation you described.

 

[pyramidbuilder]

This is tragic, but not new to me because I teach high school students.
I totally agree with them accepting it as "normal behavior" and that's the sad part of this. It's become a part of the culture.
I'd have to say the door opened with gansta rap, which made profanity acceptable, then combine the hoochie mama video concept and what would you expect?
It's become a loosely defined sexual society where almost anything goes. However I have to do a reality check because i'm talking about this shit while on a porn site...
Oh one last thing for you parents who allow your childen their own cable or satellite TV in their own rooms, pay attention to what they're wathing; many of them are watching the sex channels late at night when you aree asleep. How do I know? Because many students come in late and sleepy, and will admit when I ask them why they are sleeping in my class.

 

[LSN]

I agree 100%. I used to try and defend the music but you can't deny the effect it has. After my teaching experience the irony is it seems to have a "worse" effect (this is a blanket statement just based on my experience) on black children w/ parental/financial support than those w/o...

 

[LSN]

Even the best parent can only limit their kids' exposure so much......but it's up to ALL parents to instill self-worth, morals, ethics, and personal responsibility on their kids so they aren't essentially whoring themselves out like in the situation you described.

Because it's not so much the music/internet your child has to face in the classroom but other children who accept this shit as typical teenage behavior and will expect your child to act "accordingly".

 

[LSN]

What you are saying is true on a higher social level (I definitely agree we have taken away too much responsibility from them---a little OT but I had one teacher suggest to a coworker to give high school students coloring books to express themselves---WTF we coddle these "children" too much imo). But you can't just sit back and act like rap isn't one of many negative influential factors on our children. If we take it away (@ least certain elements) will we be left w/ something positive? Not entirely but we will be left w/ something a lot less negative WHICH IS A START. It's sad but a prevailing part of "young black culture" in this society is dictated by hip hop videos. And the sad thing is it's not just the "ghetto kids" that live in bad neighborhoods it's also black kids from the suburbs (w/ both parents @ home working decent jobs) fulfilling their need to show how "black" they are.

I have a problem placing blame on popular culture or various aspects of the media as a negative influence on children.

An influence, yes.

"Negative" ... well I'm not too sure.

To say that hip hop or other aspects of media (at this point it is hardly an art) is negative is to also say if you remove these aspects what will be left is a "positive".

Well, if you look at history this is just not the case.
Each generation complains about the previous generation. So much so more in modern societies.
And each one claims the other is too much of "A" or too much of "B".

In western societies we have taken responsibility from the young. As we have taken away their responsibility we have taken away any real process for them to find an actual identity that is not based solely on external factors. Because of this they latch onto these external factors (ideals brought across in the media) and overexagerate them to separate themselves from the previous generation (in a form of rebellion due their disenfranchisement of power).

The problem doesn't lie in those "negative" aspects of the media but it lies on how we are hierarchical in our society by doling out power (too) unevenly.


......might just be me though.

 

[Rossini]

The old folks used to be sayin the same shit when i was in middle school, the same exact shit was goin on.

 

[mk23666]

This almost as weird as talking about God/Religion on a porn board.
That being said ... (cause I do that too)

1 Yep, Rap/R&B music and their videos have an influence on the way the youth are growing up these days ... as it always has.

2 Yep it's a bad influence, that is unless you like the idea of teenage pregnancy, teenage STDs, drug/gun culture and violent behavior being taught through one of the best mediums bar none to ingrain behavior into one's brain ... images (moving images even more so) and music.

3 Nope we can't really stop it cause we (collectively as a culture and society) have let it go on for far too long. Maybe try to redirect it or slow it down, but the geni/jin is out of the proverbial bottle folks.

4 The people who don't care, or can't see it for what it is, far out number the people who do care and can see it. And so, we are trapped/doomed. Because it is gonna get worse before long. The trend is on a steepening curve. Destroying the system is the only way to stop it's growth and N O B O D Y is even close to mouthing those sentiments.

 

[pyramidbuilder]

4 The people who don't care, or can't see it for what it is, far out number the people who do care and can see it. And so, we are trapped/doomed. Because it is gonna get worse before long. The trend is on a steepening curve. Destroying the system is the only way to stop it's growth and N O B O D Y is even close to mouthing those sentiments.

We're missing one very important element. And that's the ppoint that a lot of money is being made with it. This country is will to sell its children for a dollar.

 

[Les W]

I agree 100%. I used to try and defend the music but you can't deny the effect it has. After my teaching experience the irony is it seems to have a "worse" effect (this is a blanket statement just based on my experience) on black children w/ parental/financial support than those w/o...

Same, a lot of absent parents even when they are at home, they are not in their kids life cause they are working so hard to keep food on the table and make their lives comfortable.

So Jay-Z, Lil Wayne and Drake are raising about 99% of the urban kids. I taught this one 8 year old girl that her parents didn't let her watch ANY T.v. even at school...she was not allowed to eat any of the food, brought her own lunch

She was smarter than some of the adults at the school No one will believe me but she was reading 700 page books, not harry potter either...if she only knew how lucky she is

 

[sean69]

@ y'all parents with kids waxing poetic about the tragedy of the effects explicit music and video on your kids ... on a porn board where the glorification, eddification and objectification of young women is the order of the day.

Full circle like a mf! Just saying

Meh, it is what it is.

Oh. And I don't have kids btw. And when I eventually do, I'll raise them in Papua New Guinea. LOL.

 

[mk23666]

We're missing one very important element. And that's the ppoint that a lot of money is being made with it. This country is will to sell its children for a dollar.

True, I could/should have added the economics of it as a 5. but I sometimes feel like I'm wasting time talking to myself here.

That is probably the most effective way to change things, but again. Those who care are out numbered and most likely are already voting with their dollars to no discernable effect. So until the world of those who run things are negatively effected there will be no change.

 

[NinjaspiT]

yep...

 

[sagelike]

What you are saying is true on a higher social level (I definitely agree we have taken away too much responsibility from them---a little OT but I had one teacher suggest to a coworker to give high school students coloring books to express themselves---WTF we coddle these "children" too much imo). But you can't just sit back and act like rap isn't one of many negative influential factors on our children. If we take it away (@ least certain elements) will we be left w/ something positive? Not entirely but we will be left w/ something a lot less negative WHICH IS A START. It's sad but a prevailing part of "young black culture" in this society is dictated by hip hop videos. And the sad thing is it's not just the "ghetto kids" that live in bad neighborhoods it's also black kids from the suburbs (w/ both parents @ home working decent jobs) fulfilling their need to show how "black" they are.

Yes. I do agree that the bastardization of hip hop culture attributes to "negatives" that is seen in our society but I also feel that the argument of taking things/keeping things away and sanitizing our (their) choices is not the way to go.

On a philosophical level human beings should be just that, "being". If we start taking choices away (good or bad) from our youth we have essentially taken away the opportunity for them to make proper choices. Then they are humans "doing".

And on a practical level, that's the problem now. We relegate our young to "do" and not to "be".

Look at other cultures and pay attention to their stages of adolescence (particularly non-western cultures). Look at the responsibilities that these cultures entail to their young and you'll see that they don't suffer the problems that our young suffer (albeit they do suffer other specific problems).


And yes I see the irony of discussing a topic like this here.
But since when has BGOL been just a porn board?

 

[thismybgolname]

@ y'all parents with kids waxing poetic about the tragedy of the effects explicit music and video on your kids ... on a porn board where the glorification, eddification and objectification of young women is the order of the day.

Full circle like a mf! Just saying

Meh, it is what it is.

Oh. And I don't have kids btw. And when I eventually do, I'll raise them in Papua New Guinea. LOL.

Huge difference between grown women and kids.

Plus this is more than just a porn board.

 

[LSN]

Yes. I do agree that the bastardization of hip hop culture attributes to "negatives" that is seen in our society but I also feel that the argument of taking things/keeping things away and sanitizing our (their) choices is not the way to go.

On a philosophical level human beings should be just that, "being". If we start taking choices away (good or bad) from our youth we have essentially taken away the opportunity for them to make proper choices. Then they are humans "doing".

And on a practical level, that's the problem now. We relegate our young to "do" and not to "be".

Look at other cultures and pay attention to their stages of adolescence (particularly non-western cultures). Look at the responsibilities that these cultures entail to their young and you'll see that they don't suffer the problems that our young suffer (albeit they do suffer other specific problems).

I agree that the best solution is to provide better alternatives rather than play "take-away". But when there aren't any alternatives/choices (as is pretty much the case now) they are essentially humans "doing" anyway. Again young black culture is largely defined by what it is you are seeing in music/videos so there is not much to "be" when their choices of "acceptable" expression are severely limited.

 

[2 ONE 3]

Stories like that make me a little worried about even bringing another life into this world​

 

[glueguy]

i just hope you guys with kids raise the little bastards so they don't try and rob me

 

[2 ONE 3]

i just hope you guys with kids raise the little bastards so they don't try and rob me

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[ICEBURG SLIM]

Parents must recognize the window of opportunity as the first ones given the power of influence with their children. The next step is to make sure you are presenting a positive image for the children. This is how you maintain an influence with your kids amongst dumbed down music videos and popular culture.
Teach them that strength comes from surpassing ridicule. Which you must be a witness unto first.
When a child recognizes that handling being teased for doing the right thing is indeed a strength, then you have successfully carried out the first phase of your parenting job requirements.

 

[LSN]

Parents must recognize the window of opportunity as the first ones given the power of influence with their children. The next step is to make sure you are presenting a positive image for the children. This is how you maintain an influence with your kids amongst dumbed down music videos and popular culture.
Teach them that strength comes from surpassing ridicule. Which you must be a witness unto first.
When a child recognizes that handling being teased for doing the right thing is indeed a strength, then you have successfully carried out the first phase of your parenting job requirements.

Do you have kids? (Not questioning you in a challenging way just asking) Ideally this is what every parent should strive for but I gotta say when these teens come to class/school a lot of good shit their parents try to instill in them is thrown right out the window. Peer pressure is a helluva bitch. BTW I'm not saying I have the asnwers cause I don't have any kids. One thing I can say though is parents gotta be cool as shit in the eyes of their children. Shit make them know that they are a helluva lot cooler than their dumb ass little friends. I'm not saying they gotta act young and force a friendship w/ their child but they should project an image the kids will always respect. Most of the levelheaded kids in school I have encountered that seem beyond peer pressure had parents that possessed a lot of admirable traits that they looked up to and viewed as "cool" (ie their parents where very social took their kids out to events and shit that were fun for everyone etc. just good well-rounded people).

 

[ICEBURG SLIM]

Yeah I got several of dem muthafuckas around me. Yeah I call em muthafuckas
cause dealing with kids aint easy, but anything good isnt easy. But on the real
Leroy (My brother RIP was named Leroy) I do consider myself a person with alot to offer kids. One things for sure, deez little nyggaz have short attention spans. The way you deal with kids with your ideology's and philosophies better
make sense to a fool and able to be expalined in less than a minute.


Oh yeah Its hard to believe kids turn out alright around me, with me calling them nyggaz & muthafuckas huh?

 

[LSN]

Yeah I got several of dem muthafuckas around me. Yeah I call em muthafuckas
cause dealing with kids aint easy, but anything good isnt easy. But on the real
Leroy (My brother RIP was named Leroy) I do consider myself a person with alot to offer kids. One things for sure, deez little nyggaz have short attention spans. The way you deal with kids with your ideology's and philosophies better
make sense to a fool and able to be expalined in less than a minute.


Oh yeah Its hard to believe kids turn out alright around me, with me calling them nyggaz & muthafuckas huh?

Do you...I can't past judgment. Who knows they probably relate to you better by you keeping it real like that w/ them. A lot of parents who try to play the "perfect" role for their kids are usually the ones who have the kids that pull the worst 180s once they get to school.

 

[Rossini]

Do you...I can't past judgment. Who knows they probably relate to you better by you keeping it real like that w/ them. A lot of parents who try to play the "perfect" role for their kids are usually the ones who have the kids that pull the worst 180s once they get to school.

My family always thought i was shy/quiet... little did they know i was a lil when they werent around.

 

[revenge]

It ain't just Hip Hop. Stripper culture is now accepted in the mainstream. Flirty girl workout videos, Playboy and Hefner accepted as normal--instead of porn, MTV and much more...

 

[2 ONE 3]

It ain't just Hip Hop. Stripper culture is now accepted in the mainstream. Flirty girl workout videos, Playboy and Hefner accepted as normal--instead of porn, MTV and much more...

​

 

[SNYC]

i hope none of y'all 'sky is falling' mfers were in those twerk team threads

 

[Rossini]

i hope none of y'all 'sky is falling' mfers weren't in those twerk team threads

 

[LSN]

i hope none of y'all 'sky is falling' mfers were in those twerk team threads

Hey they're not MY kids.

 

[thismybgolname]

It starts early.

I met a chick down here that had a child that got suspended from Kindergarten for five days.

All he was concerned about was dancing, rapping, Jordans and making it rain.

Little boy knew EVERY song on BET/MTV but he couldn't read or say his ABC's.

Did I mention that he was 7 in Kindergarten because he got put back?

His momma thought the shit was cute.

They're creating a monster.

 

[APOPHIS]

Truf, do your best to disassociate your kids from those bad apples. Nothing good can come of it. Although it may prove difficult , you will not regret this preventative measure. There is too much at risk for you to let your hard work be derailed by a few careless fucks.

 

[VWchrisATL]

It starts early.

I met a chick down here that had a child that got suspended from Kindergarten for five days.

All he was concerned about was dancing, rapping, Jordans and making it rain.

Little boy knew EVERY song on BET/MTV but he couldn't read or say his ABC's.

Did I mention that he was 7 in Kindergarten because he got put back?

His momma thought the shit was cute.

They're creating a monster.

Thats sad!! Man my daughter starting pre-K next week!!! I'm nervous as hell about letting her around some of these bad ass kids!!

 

[Acur]

The old folks used to be sayin the same shit when i was in jail, the same exact shit was goin on.

*FIXED Look how you turned out. Parents must stay involved and focused on their kids. Expose them to different genres of music. I was exposed to classic music, jazz, AC DC, etc etc. Things have taken a turn for the worse with hiphop is concerned. My folks also kept me involved in robotics, soccer, golf etc etc. I could not just listen to rap all day. I'm glad I was exposed to different genres of music. I hardly listen to rap any more except for a few people.