If THIS aint a clear ADMISSION THE MOON LANDING WAS FAKE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS!!!!

[Upgrade Dave]

Heh, it'd be a pretty shitty conspiracy if there were "witnesses", or said "witnesses" actually went public. Check out the history of NASA's space program and the individuals involved. You'll find everything some fascinating coincidences at least. Also, consider that the space program, along with a lot of the technology that is "shown" to the unwashed masses, is perhaps a few decades (conservatively) older than what is actually possible. Nope, no witnesses here, just accomplices.

But for people to claim something's fake, especially a major historical, verifiable, verified event, they need some proof.

this one statement right here alone by NASA confirms that the original was fake, and the new ones are fake:

"There's nothing being created; there's nothing being manufactured," said NASA senior engineer Dick Nafzger, who is in charge of the project. "You can now see the detail that's coming out."

That doesn't say anything unless you want it to. If anything it's a definite denial to the bullshit story of a hoax.

Stop talking and prove your points.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Hopefully, you're not referring to me (since I've said I was on the fence, and gave reasons to support BOTH views).

Actually, this might be one instance where I stray from the OP, although I definitely feels where he's coming from...

Dare it be said that a "hoax theory" was publicized in order to hide the truth? I don't know. Do you?

I was referring to what you said, it may have come off more than I would normally be but that's just the way I talk first thing in the morning.
I would like to know what you meant by "camera angles". There are no suspicious camera angles that even suggest something's afoul.

In general, putting out a good "hoax theory" would be a good plan but I do know this doesn't qualify.

This isn't even a thing you can really sit on the fence with. The tinfoil hat crowd make claims, they get shot down. After a while, they just start reaching (why don't the rocks float?). This isn't a value judgement, this is a fact based argument.

 

[heiesuke]

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[Les W]

I don't know what to believe but "the real story is not out" makes the most sense out of everything I have heard

I have done tons of research on it, not too deep on either side but nothing makes perfect sense to me and neither side can provide the answers

But the USA's corrupt image (not to mention the cold war hysteria) will always keep this story alive

 

[EPDC]

this one statement right here alone by NASA confirms that the original was fake, and the new ones are fake:

"There's nothing being created; there's nothing being manufactured," said NASA senior engineer Dick Nafzger, who is in charge of the project. "You can now see the detail that's coming out."

I'm still waiting for you to show me video evidence of astronauts floating on the moon (not bouncing). Remember this thread:
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?p=6669262#post6669262

 

[destrehan]

Okay if you are one of the "we've never been to the moon" guys, you had better not be one of the guys who laughed at Sherri Shepard for saying she didn't know if the Earth was round. There's no credible evidence for a moon landing hoax: no camera angles (what the fuck does that mean?), no witnesses to the "conspiracy", nothing. Just some jabrones who sat in their basements and made up some shit based on what they don't know.

This is so fucking stupid.

so asshole, you can read the story in the original post and still comfortably believe there was a moon landing in the 60's?

who's stupid?

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

i know a lot of the cats posting in here weren't alive in the 70's.

but there were live updates and coverage of the moon landings, launches, etc. everytine they were done. the space program was big news until the challenger disaster in 1986.

and as for folks asking about radar, that shit was around since the 1920's and heavily used in WW II. the 60's weren't prehistoric times, y'all.

again, the Chinese and Russians would've LOVED to say the shit was faked, because again, the space race was part of the ARMS RACE.

 

[EPDC]

i know a lot of the cats posting in here weren't alive in the 70's.

but there were live updates and coverage of the moon landings, launches, etc. everytine they were done. the space program was big news until the challenger disaster in 1986.

and as for folks asking about radar, that shit was around since the 1920's and heavily used in WW II. the 60's weren't prehistoric times, y'all.

again, the Chinese and Russians would've LOVED to say the shit was faked, because again, the space race was part of the ARMS RACE.

Exactly. Also, with the amount of people working on the Apollo program, if it was in fact a sham, logic would dictate that some of these people would have come forward saying that it was faked, especially after all these years.

 

[Mr MajestiK]

wow...some truly uninformed opinions in here.

the flag wasn't moving in space, it was held up by a wire in the top of the flag.

we CAN do it now, there just isn't much of a reason to.

we went to the moon as part of the ARMS race, in competition with the U.S.S.R. and People's Republic of China. they tracked us with radar, they watched our every move. if the moon landing had been faked, they would've said it first.

man, i'm starting to think the whole world is going crazy.

We!?

 

[destrehan]

i know a lot of the cats posting in here weren't alive in the 70's.

but there were live updates and coverage of the moon landings, launches, etc. everytine they were done. the space program was big news until the challenger disaster in 1986.

and as for folks asking about radar, that shit was around since the 1920's and heavily used in WW II. the 60's weren't prehistoric times, y'all.

again, the Chinese and Russians would've LOVED to say the shit was faked, because again, the space race was part of the ARMS RACE.

you have still failed to explain the story in the original post. how can you still just be so cocksure you haven't been one of the millions hoodwinked? and personally, i believe there have been moon landings, but the shit we seen as evidenced by the story in my first post has been a hollywood production and the real shit has never been released.

 

[futureshock]

impossible...... human are not capable of traveling past da van allen radiation belt so this topic shouldn't even be up for debate.

they are capable, but with adequate protection....something like a 6 foot lead shielded wall....which i don't think any of those apollo vehicles had.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

you have still failed to explain the story in the original post. how can you still just be so cocksure you haven't been one of the millions hoodwinked? and personally, i believe there have been moon landings, but the shit we seen as evidenced by the story in my first post has been a hollywood production and the real shit has never been released.

okay then.

there were two groups of film from the moon landing, that which nasa taped and that which was broadcast LIVE to tv stations from the moon landing crew.

the tapes nasa had were lost/stolen/DESTROYED.

the live broadcast tapes have been taken and digitally enhanced by folks at industrial light and magic(or a company similar to them) because they are grainy, they've degraded over the years, etc.

nothing more, nothing less.

 

[destrehan]

okay then.

there were two groups of film from the moon landing, that which nasa taped and that which was broadcast LIVE to tv stations from the moon landing crew.

the tapes nasa had were lost/stolen/DESTROYED.

the live broadcast tapes have been taken and digitally enhanced by folks at industrial light and magic(or a company similar to them) because they are grainy, they've degraded over the years, etc.

nothing more, nothing less.

you keep harping on this "live broadcast" bullshit like that means something. i see it's no use discussing this with you since you apparently want to believe in it so bad so just fuck off fam.

 

[EPDC]

you keep harping on this "live broadcast" bullshit like that means something. i see it's no use discussing this with you since you apparently want to believe in it so bad so just fuck off fam.

It means a lot. The live broadcast of his argument is on point and valid. NASA was recieving the direct signal from the moon and was then feeding that signal to the various TV stations. The signal NASA was receiving was significantly clearer compared to the signal that was broadcast live over the air by the TV stations of the time. The original NASA recordings were lost for whatever reasons, so NASA gathered various copies of the LIVE BROADCAST from different sources, cleaned up the images (a copy of a copy of a copy is never as clean as the original) and released these recordings. Whats so hard for you to understand?

 

[Drayonis]

i remember when nasa said they lost 10,000 tapes of the moon landing.

how the fuck do you lose 10,000 pieces of anything?

old folks said it was fake and for propaganda, and they were right.

Exactly. That was "MANS GREATEST ACHIEVEMENT" and they just "LOST" the tapes? GTFO!

We still have old ass tablets from Greece kept in prime condition yet TAPES from the LUNAR landing are gone (along with the thousands of pictures along with it)....

The fact that we can't disprove it tells me the USSR and CHINA can't disprove it either....The fact that no one else has gone back make me believe the shit was FAKE!

 

[EPDC]

Exactly. That was "MANS GREATEST ACHIEVEMENT" and they just "LOST" the tapes? GTFO!

We still have old ass tablets from Greece kept in prime condition yet TAPES from the LUNAR landing are gone (along with the thousands of pictures along with it)....

The fact that we can't disprove it tells me the USSR and CHINA can't disprove it either....The fact that no one else has gone back make me believe the shit was FAKE!

you can't compared stone tablets to tape/film. Tapes and film do deteriorate after time.

I am willing to bet China and Russia have greater resources to finding out the "truth" than your average tin foil cap wearing conspiracy theorist. Like I have said a number of times already, if it was faked, you would think with all the people who worked for the Space Program and the Apollo missions, someone would have come forward after all these years. At least one person.

 

[destrehan]

It means a lot. The live broadcast of his argument is on point and valid. NASA was recieving the direct signal from the moon and was then feeding that signal to the various TV stations. The signal NASA was receiving was significantly clearer compared to the signal that was broadcast live over the air by the TV stations of the time. The original NASA recordings were lost for whatever reasons, so NASA gathered various copies of the LIVE BROADCAST from different sources, cleaned up the images (a copy of a copy of a copy is never as clean as the original) and released these recordings. Whats so hard for you to understand?

yall are better at making excuses for them than they are for their damn selves. it's a shame you cats prefer to bend over backwards logically then to see shit for what it is. i refuse to try to argue with yall since your minds are made up. we have zero irrefutable evidence that the moon landing was real

ZERO!

 

[EPDC]

yall are better at making excuses for them than they are for their damn selves. it's a shame you cats prefer to bend over backwards logically then to see shit for what it is. i refuse to try to argue with yall since your minds are made up. we have zero irrefutable evidence that the moon landing was real

ZERO!

You have zero irrefutable evidence that the moon landing was faked.

ZERO!

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/07/photogalleries/apollo-moon-landing-hoax-pictures/

 

[J-BOOGIE]

You have zero irrefutable evidence that the moon landing was faked.

ZERO!

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/07/photogalleries/apollo-moon-landing-hoax-pictures/

Something like what I was thinking...

I'd like to see someone show logistically how it is feasible to forge a hoax of this magnitude. One involving SO many people and not have more substantial leaks fall through the cracks of the conspiratorial latticework...

Reasonable doubts I can entertain. Afterall, it is a lot to ask of a person to believe without tangible evidence in hand. Just like proving germs and viruses playing a role in infections and sickness. (so to speak...) But man, seriously, this shit is insanely laughable, really. Firm convictions based on a lose knit reasonable doubt? People damning and insulting one another over it as if they were like THERE and know EVERYTHING and hold MAD evidence as a fact...

UN-believable...

 

[Zero]

i remember people asking how the flag was waving on the moon with no wind

Some jackass said that space is a vacuum, so if you went to the moon, you'd get sucked into space.

Just FYI for cats that DON'T know why that is dumb as fuck...

• Vaccum of space = no atmosphere, void
• Vacuum cleaner = device that sucks dead roaches out of your carpet

Another cat said there IS no space because we actually live IN the Earth not on it. Apparently the entire concept of astrology/ astrophysics is a hoax. Apparently, the "sun" and "moon" are just reflections off the "ceiling" of the cave we live in inside the Earth.

How do these mufukkas have time to remember to breathe using their limited brain capacity to think up shit like this.

 

[SIDESHOW]

Some jackass said that space is a vacuum, so if you went to the moon, you'd get sucked into space.

Just FYI for cats that DON'T know why that is dumb as fuck...

• Vaccum of space = no atmosphere, void
• Vacuum cleaner = device that sucks dead roaches out of your carpet

 

[mensa_man]

wow...some truly uninformed opinions in here.

the flag wasn't moving in space, it was held up by a wire in the top of the flag.

we CAN do it now, there just isn't much of a reason to.

we went to the moon as part of the ARMS race, in competition with the U.S.S.R. and People's Republic of China. they tracked us with radar, they watched our every move. if the moon landing had been faked, they would've said it first.

man, i'm starting to think the whole world is going crazy.

are you really arguing your point with an idiot like destrehan? i just read these niggas post and

 

[Zero]

you can't compared stone tablets to tape/film. Tapes and film do deteriorate after time.

I am willing to bet China and Russia have greater resources to finding out the "truth" than your average tin foil cap wearing conspiracy theorist. Like I have said a number of times already, if it was faked, you would think with all the people who worked for the Space Program and the Apollo missions, someone would have come forward after all these years. At least one person.

If it was fake, Russia would have blown that shit out of the water IMMEDIATELY and if it WAS fake, best believe Cold War Russia would have known.

 

[DMXtreem]

Just face the Hubble Telescope at the moon and get a picture of the launch platform left after Apollo blasted of the moon.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

you keep harping on this "live broadcast" bullshit like that means something. i see it's no use discussing this with you since you apparently want to believe in it so bad so just fuck off fam.

as said earlier, the fact that the moon missions were broadcast live means that each step of the process from launch to landing was witnessed by millions of people as it happened.

the rockets were seen by the naked eye to launch from the Kennedy Space center, and were tracked by governments all over the world as it happened.

what you are suggesting is that every modern government on the planet including those who were engaged in the Cold War partook in a global hoax to big up the U.S.

FOR WHAT???

what would be the reason the soviets and the chinese would corroborate falsified information and engage in lying that would affect HISTORY???

you haven't provided one piece of reasoning to say otherwise.

you just WANT to believe the moon landing was fake...and again i ask, what would be the profit from faking it? what do we get from it? and what did the Chinese and Soviets get from helping us lie about it?

again, i'm thinking the whole world is insane...or at least 25% of it.

 

[SIDESHOW]

Something like what I was thinking...

I'd like to see someone show logistically how it is feasible to forge a hoax of this magnitude. One involving SO many people and not have more substantial leaks fall through the cracks of the conspiratorial latticework...

Conspiracy practicality

According to Dr. James Longuski, Professor of Aeronautics and Astronautics Engineering at Purdue University, the size and complexity of the alleged conspiracy theory scenarios make their veracity an impossibility.[22] More than 400,000 people worked on the Moon landing project for nearly ten years, and a dozen men who walked on the Moon returned to Earth to recount their experiences.[22] Hundreds of thousands of people (astronauts, scientists, engineers, technicians, and skilled laborers) would have had to keep the secret.[22] Longuski also contends that it would have been significantly easier to actually land on the Moon than to generate such a massive conspiracy to fake such a landing.[22]

link

Very few people in this thread hear you though.

 

[thalastdynasty]

you can't compared stone tablets to tape/film. Tapes and film do deteriorate after time.

I am willing to bet China and Russia have greater resources to finding out the "truth" than your average tin foil cap wearing conspiracy theorist. Like I have said a number of times already, if it was faked, you would think with all the people who worked for the Space Program and the Apollo missions, someone would have come forward after all these years. At least one person.

you miss Dray's point. The point is when something is as big an acheivement as GOING to the FUCKING MOON. You would think there would be a high level of security on something like that.

So either
A. Some Gomer Pyle Forrest Gump of a private "lost" the tape

or B. There were things that if examined might shed new light on the event. And the powers that be made it disappear

 

[SIDESHOW]

Just face the Hubble Telescope at the moon and get a picture of the launch platform left after Apollo blasted of the moon.

DMX, did you read this thread man? The "just point a telescope at the moon" shit has already been discussed and dismissed.

 

[Rebel-INS]

Just face the Hubble Telescope at the moon and get a picture of the launch platform left after Apollo blasted of the moon.

Hubble isn't big enough to pull images of things that small on the Moon.

 

[Zero]

Just face the Hubble Telescope at the moon and get a picture of the launch platform left after Apollo blasted of the moon.

Hubble is not a telescope in the way the one your Mom's bought your from WalMart and the moon is not a small body. Also, terrestrial satellites that take images of the Earth are a little closer to their subject than the moon (they technically are in the outer atmosphere of the Earth in orbit).










Hey, I got an idea, lets just use Google maps to find the landing craft, I'm sure they can do it since they can see my house.

 

[Zero]

Has there ever been one of these debates that WAS NOT the terminally stupid vs. the intelligent?

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

Has there ever been one of these debates that WAS NOT the terminally stupid vs. the intelligent?

 

[destrehan]

the original post in my thread still has not been fully addressed. this ad nauseum arguing isn't worth shit. if the best yall can do is say "it's way too many people involved for this to be a conspiracy", then i bid you adieu and leave tyo your sheepish view of the world. even the most basic beliefs have been colluded upon by the controllers of the masses. all of history is nothing more than collusion, and the truth only known by those who were there and/or directly involved, which is usually not many. the people who worked on the space program were not privy to every piece of information, hence security clearances and need to know.

i'm done with this shit. and a big fuck you to the clown doglife who's only contribution to threads is to call other people idiots when he in fact is the dumbest black woman hating piece of shit known to man.

 

[supergrover]

Apparently, we were somewhat warned about continued moon landings. Some crazy stuff went on during the Apollo 11 mission. Below in the transcript from here.

Here is reproduced completely the dialogue between the American astronauts and Control Center:

Armstrong & Aldrin: Those are giant things. No, no, no - this is not an optical illusion. No one is going to believe this!

Houston (Christopher Craft): What ... what ... what? What the hell is happening? What's wrong with you?

Armstrong & Aldrin: They're here under the surface.

Houston: What's there? (muffled noise) Emission interrupted; interference control calling 'Apollo 11'.

Armstrong & Aldrin: We saw some visitors. They were here for a while, observing the instruments.

Houston: Repeat your last information!

Armstrong & Aldrin: I say that there were other spaceships. They're lined up in the other side of the crater!

Houston: Repeat, repeat!

Armstrong & Aldrin: Let us sound this orbita ... in 625 to 5 ... Automatic relay connected ... My hands are shaking so badly I can't do anything. Film it? God, if these damned cameras have picked up anything - what then?

Houston: Have you picked up anything?

Armstrong & Aldrin: I didn't have any film at hand. Three shots of the saucers or whatever they were that were ruining the film

Houston: Control, control here. Are you on your way? What is the uproar with the UFOs over?

Armstrong & Aldrin: They've landed here. There they are and they're watching us.

Houston: The mirrors, the mirrors - have you set them up?

Armstrong & Aldrin: Yes, they're in the right place. But whoever made those spaceships surely can come tomorrow and remove them. Over and out.


A certain professor, who wished to remain anonymous, was engaged in a discussion with Neil Armstrong during a NASA symposium.


Professor: What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11?

Armstrong: It was incredible, of course we had always known there was a possibility - the fact is, we were warned off! There was never any question then of a space station or a moon city.

Professor: How do you mean "warned off"?

Armstrong: I can't go into details, except to say that their ships were far superior to ours both in size and technology - Boy, were they big!...and menacing! No, there is no question of a space station.

Professor: But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11?

Armstrong: Naturally - NASA was committed at that time, and couldn't risk panic on Earth. But it really was a quick scoop and back again.

According to a Dr. Vladimir Azhazha:
"Neil Armstrong relayed the message to Mission Control that two large, mysterious objects were watching them after having landed near the Moon module (LEM). But this message was never heard by the public - because NASA censored it."

According to a Dr. Aleksandr Kasantsev, Buzz Aldrin took color movie film of the UFOs from inside the module, and continued filming them after he and Armstrong went outside.

Armstrong confirmed that the story was true but refused to go into further detail, beyond admitting that the CIA was behind the cover-up."

 

[destrehan]

Apparently, we were somewhat warned about continued moon landings. Some crazy stuff went on during the Apollo 11 mission. Below in the transcript from here.

Here is reproduced completely the dialogue between the American astronauts and Control Center:

Armstrong & Aldrin: Those are giant things. No, no, no - this is not an optical illusion. No one is going to believe this!

Houston (Christopher Craft): What ... what ... what? What the hell is happening? What's wrong with you?

Armstrong & Aldrin: They're here under the surface.

Houston: What's there? (muffled noise) Emission interrupted; interference control calling 'Apollo 11'.

Armstrong & Aldrin: We saw some visitors. They were here for a while, observing the instruments.

Houston: Repeat your last information!

Armstrong & Aldrin: I say that there were other spaceships. They're lined up in the other side of the crater!

Houston: Repeat, repeat!

Armstrong & Aldrin: Let us sound this orbita ... in 625 to 5 ... Automatic relay connected ... My hands are shaking so badly I can't do anything. Film it? God, if these damned cameras have picked up anything - what then?

Houston: Have you picked up anything?

Armstrong & Aldrin: I didn't have any film at hand. Three shots of the saucers or whatever they were that were ruining the film

Houston: Control, control here. Are you on your way? What is the uproar with the UFOs over?

Armstrong & Aldrin: They've landed here. There they are and they're watching us.

Houston: The mirrors, the mirrors - have you set them up?

Armstrong & Aldrin: Yes, they're in the right place. But whoever made those spaceships surely can come tomorrow and remove them. Over and out.


A certain professor, who wished to remain anonymous, was engaged in a discussion with Neil Armstrong during a NASA symposium.


Professor: What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11?

Armstrong: It was incredible, of course we had always known there was a possibility - the fact is, we were warned off! There was never any question then of a space station or a moon city.

Professor: How do you mean "warned off"?

Armstrong: I can't go into details, except to say that their ships were far superior to ours both in size and technology - Boy, were they big!...and menacing! No, there is no question of a space station.

Professor: But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11?

Armstrong: Naturally - NASA was committed at that time, and couldn't risk panic on Earth. But it really was a quick scoop and back again.

According to a Dr. Vladimir Azhazha:
"Neil Armstrong relayed the message to Mission Control that two large, mysterious objects were watching them after having landed near the Moon module (LEM). But this message was never heard by the public - because NASA censored it."

According to a Dr. Aleksandr Kasantsev, Buzz Aldrin took color movie film of the UFOs from inside the module, and continued filming them after he and Armstrong went outside.

Armstrong confirmed that the story was true but refused to go into further detail, beyond admitting that the CIA was behind the cover-up."

as i said earlier, the real deal about what happened up there has never been told. i said earlier i think we've been there and defnitely more than once. we just never seen real footage, and more than likely there never was any footage.