The Official Lakers Vs. Magic Thread

[BDR]

What Happened To Alston?
By Chris Broussard | ESPN The Magazine

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Conventional wisdom says there had to be a beef. An argument. Some bellyaching. A philosophical divide. Something.

Something had to happen between Stan Van Gundy and Rafer Alston during the second half of Game 4 Thursday night. Why else would the Orlando coach sit his starting point guard for the last 18 minutes, 28 seconds of the Magic's 99-91 overtime loss to the Los Angeles Lakers?

Especially when Jameer Nelson, fresh off a serious shoulder injury, wasn't exactly flashing his All-Star form. Especially when six days earlier, Van Gundy had admitted he erred by playing Nelson the entire second quarter of Game 1. Especially when, for all intents and purposes, the Magic's quest for its first NBA championship was on the line.

But apparently, there was nothing, nada, no disagreement at all. Apparently, Van Gundy's coaching instincts just told him to stick with Nelson, who produced two points and three assists all night, for the entire fourth quarter and overtime.

Stan Van Gunden is just simply stupid. Honestly Skip is way better than Nelson everyone knows this..... if I were a betting man it looks like Neslo is not getting his starting spot back, they brought in Alston thinking he really wasn't going to do much but be a back up to Nelson, that's not happening

I think management will either trade Nelson, keep skip and Johnson or trade Johnson and keep skip and Nelso but then again if they keep Van Gundy then u already know he gonna start Nelson over skip when any other coach will start skip over Nelson.

I wonder why Jeff not getting in his brothers ear about skip being an asset. Either way the Magic gotta make some decisions at that PG slot because Stan is fucking that chemistry up playing Nelson

 

[pookie]

 

[xfactor]

On another note, I hope the Magic don't bitch out and lose on Sunday..

The tragic better hope "Air France" doesn't get a suspension for the love taps he put on Gasol at the end of the game.

 

[CaliChampNo.1]

I expect this gif to be posted a lot

 

[CaliChampNo.1]

Kenny "The Jet" Smith's twitter message from last night:

"why are there so many Laker haters and not really Magic fans? Dont front most of yall own no magic memorabilia! Laker fans have purple cars!"



Iggy's twitter messages:

"the marshmellow roast (@dwighthoward in camping out in paint) has finally been interrupted!!!

what a game! hard to beat the lakers in OT...Thats why i shot that 3 even though we were down 2 back in march (sorry lakers fans)"



Ron Artest:

"BYNUM FOULS WAITRESSES WHEN HE GOES OUT TO EAT"

 

[xfactor]

Re: Magic Thread

this particular argument sounds like tuesday morning quarterbacking though.

that squad got the magic back in the game and acquired the lead.

if coach van gundy did make an error, i don't believe the error was in keeping jameer nelson on the floor. i think the error may have been not preparing his team defensively coming out of the time out with a 3 point lead.

whether coach van gundy elects to foul or not, it was pretty clear that the magic were caught COMPLETELY off guard by derek fisher pushing the ball up the floor. the magic were thinking that the fakers were going to take their time and run a play for the last shot.

The defense that the tragic put on the lakers when it was 87-84 was the great debate.

I don't agree with how Van Gumby decided to pick up full court because I knew it would lead to somebody getting a wide open look from 3. It was just too much scattered activity on the court.

Then again, that would be moot if Dwight Howard made 1 of the 2 FTs

 

[Afr0kan]

L.A. we the realest !!

 

[SIDESHOW]

This man right here is waiting on a phone call:

I'd like to thank Otis Smith for this opportunity.

I'd want to let you all know that we will play sound fundamental basketball.

I will not fuck our team chemistry with bizarre in-game personnel decisions.
I'll make sure we manage the fucking game right.

Dwight Howard will quit putting the fucking ball on the floor before he goes up to the basket.

Dwight will quit holding the ball low and getting stripped. That kid will shoot a coupe hundred free throws each day, and will work on his post game.

I'll put my foot in someone's ass if they 6'10 and start playing like Mugsy Bogues. You hear me Rashard?

My team will listen to me! We will be disciplined!

Ya'll muthafuckas got any questions? ​

 

[RoadRage]

dumbest statement in the entire thread. What does that say about Ray, Pierce and KG?


@all the people who hate kobe so much, that they are now focusing on who should be the mvp. it doesnt matter, if the lakers win it all. I hope kobe does get mvp, gives you bitches more shit to complain about. Big shots by Ariza and Fish. Big plays from Odom (in the second half) and Gasol. Kobe good game on the boards and assists.

You people are pathetic. Complaining about who got fouled, all of our big men were in foul trouble before the 2nd qt. Go find something else to be mad about. Go surf the web and find sites to argue about kobe. Non-laker fans want to give Gasol props now. HE'S A LAKER.

No one on Boston said that KG or Pierce was better than Kobe after Boston destroyed the Lakers last year. You Faker fans keep hearing with emotion rather than with fact and yall actually think I said that Kobe isn't shit and LeBron is the greatist! Calm down, take a deep breath, and wipe the sperm out your eyes and re-read what I said, I said, that based on how both players played against the Magic, it clearly shows that LeBron is the better player. Now here are my reasons, (now follow closely)
The Magic should be up 3-1 (if not for a missed lay-up and a miss foul-shot (the shot lights out against the Cavs and made very few against them, while making unforced mistakes against the Lakers -what you gonna say its the Lakers D that cause them to miss all those free-throws yesterday, and LeBrons lack of D that cause them to hit those same free throws against the Cavs?) That said, it is easy to see that the Lakers are fairing not that much better than the Cavs (who could have been up 3-1 vs the Magic if it the ball would have bounce right, just once for them) Now I am gonna use some logic-101 terms, so if your thinking with your heart you gonna be lost- Being that both teams played similar vs a similar opponent, you have to examine the variables. First has the Magic played or gotten better vs the Lakers? Everybody in their right mind would say no. Do LeBron have a better surrounding cast, maybe this could count for them both having similar results, - Actually Kobe has a much better cast of player (better in every position bench and coach), so the only logical explanation for why for both teams to play almost identical, against an a identical opponent, "even though the Magic are now playing worse now than they did against the CAvs" and the Cavs team has much overall talent than the Lakers.
This can only means that LeBron + a bunch of little support teamates (almost)= the play of the entire Laker team, including Kobe. and if the Laker team play has been superior to Kobe's and LeBron's play much greater than the play of his mates it stands to reason, by using deductive resoning that LeBron play vs the Magic must be superior to Kobe's play vs the same team.

Lets look at the equation another way Lebron>>>>teammates (almost)=the Magic (while) <Kobe<teamates (almost)=the Magic.
Thereby LeBron vs the Magic must be > to Kobe play vs the Magic.

*****NOTE: Low IQ Mofo's please do not try to figure out, cause I am not resposible for your brain defects that may occure, by you guys doing so!*****

You can look at that or you can study the stats including shooting % rebounds and assist, and they all favor LeBron as well as game winning shots, better at closing out games and better defense.
*Now this is not to say that Kobe is a bad player, or the Lakers are a bad team, it just says that the Lakers are a great team, and Kobe is mealy playing alright vs the Magic, and to compare his effort against one of the greatest efforts in the history of the NBA's finals is beyond far fetched.

 

[pookie]

No one on Boston said that KG or Pierce was better than Kobe after Boston destroyed the Lakers last year. You Faker fans keep hearing with emotion rather than with fact and yall actually think I said that Kobe isn't shit and LeBron is the greatist! Calm down, take a deep breath, and wipe the sperm out your eyes and re-read what I said, I said, that based on how both players played against the Magic, it clearly shows that LeBron is the better player. Now here are my reasons, (now follow closely)
The Magic should be up 3-1 (if not for a missed lay-up and a miss foul-shot (the shot lights out against the Cavs and made very few against them, while making unforced mistakes against the Lakers -what you gonna say its the Lakers D that cause them to miss all those free-throws yesterday, and LeBrons lack of D that cause them to hit those same free throws against the Cavs?) That said, it is easy to see that the Lakers are fairing not that much better than the Cavs (who could have been up 3-1 vs the Magic if it the ball would have bounce right, just once for them) Now I am gonna use some logic-101 terms, so if your thinking with your heart you gonna be lost- Being that both teams played similar vs a similar opponent, you have to examine the variables. First has the Magic played or gotten better vs the Lakers? Everybody in their right mind would say no. Do LeBron have a better surrounding cast, maybe this could count for them both having similar results, - Actually Kobe has a much better cast of player (better in every position bench and coach), so the only logical explanation for why for both teams to play almost identical, against an a identical opponent, "even though the Magic are now playing worse now than they did against the CAvs" and the Cavs team has much overall talent than the Lakers.
This can only means that LeBron + a bunch of little support teamates (almost)= the play of the entire Laker team, including Kobe. and if the Laker team play has been superior to Kobe's and LeBron's play much greater than the play of his mates it stands to reason, by using deductive resoning that LeBron play vs the Magic must be superior to Kobe's play vs the same team.

Lets look at the equation another way Lebron>>>>teammates (almost)=the Magic (while) <Kobe<teamates (almost)=the Magic.
Thereby LeBron vs the Magic must be > to Kobe play vs the Magic.

You can look at that or you can study the stats including shooting % rebounds and assist, and they all favor LeBron as well as game winning shots, better at closing out games and better defense.
*Now this is not to say that Kobe is a bad player, or the Lakers are a bad team, it just says that the Lakers are a great team, and Kobe is mealy playing alright vs the Magic, and to compare his effort against one of the greatest efforts in the history of the NBA's finals is beyond far fetched.

 

[ak_rep]

Man you cats love stats. It's like you're married to them.

Use statistics as a side dish and not as a main entree.

Take this into consideration considering Lebron's performance vs. the Orlando Magic:

Lebron is shooting higher percentage shots by bulling his way into the hole. Higher shooting percentage.

He's living on the free throw line. Scoring.

He's living on the court (minutes per).

Lebron James averaged like 5 turnovers per game.

Mike Jones.

Lebron James averaged like 5 turnovers per game.

And you cats conveniently overlook that statistic. 5 turnovers including a 7 turnover quarter.





And the rebounds. The rebounds? The rebounds. Let's talk about rebounds.

This is what you cats also need to take into consideration.

This is the kicker.

On defensive free throws, Lebron James lined up many of times on the low block. Therefore, if it were a missed free throw by the Orlando Magic. Lebron James had a good chance of getting a rebound.

A rebound based off of missed free throws.

Kobe Bryant always lines up outside of the three point line during defensive free throw attempts.

Stop the madness. If you're going to break this down with statistics. Let it be broke.

Use statistics as your side dish, not as a main entree.

Use statistics as your side dish, not as a main entree.

 

[MisterNell1]

No one on Boston said that KG or Pierce was better than Kobe after Boston destroyed the Lakers last year. You Faker fans keep hearing with emotion rather than with fact and yall actually think I said that Kobe isn't shit and LeBron is the greatist! Calm down, take a deep breath, and wipe the sperm out your eyes and re-read what I said, I said, that based on how both players played against the Magic, it clearly shows that LeBron is the better player. Now here are my reasons, (now follow closely)
The Magic should be up 3-1 (if not for a missed lay-up and a miss foul-shot (the shot lights out against the Cavs and made very few against them, while making unforced mistakes against the Lakers -what you gonna say its the Lakers D that cause them to miss all those free-throws yesterday, and LeBrons lack of D that cause them to hit those same free throws against the Cavs?) That said, it is easy to see that the Lakers are fairing not that much better than the Cavs (who could have been up 3-1 vs the Magic if it the ball would have bounce right, just once for them) Now I am gonna use some logic-101 terms, so if your thinking with your heart you gonna be lost- Being that both teams played similar vs a similar opponent, you have to examine the variables. First has the Magic played or gotten better vs the Lakers? Everybody in their right mind would say no. Do LeBron have a better surrounding cast, maybe this could count for them both having similar results, - Actually Kobe has a much better cast of player (better in every position bench and coach), so the only logical explanation for why for both teams to play almost identical, against an a identical opponent, "even though the Magic are now playing worse now than they did against the CAvs" and the Cavs team has much overall talent than the Lakers.
This can only means that LeBron + a bunch of little support teamates (almost)= the play of the entire Laker team, including Kobe. and if the Laker team play has been superior to Kobe's and LeBron's play much greater than the play of his mates it stands to reason, by using deductive resoning that LeBron play vs the Magic must be superior to Kobe's play vs the same team.

Lets look at the equation another way Lebron>>>>teammates (almost)=the Magic (while) <Kobe<teamates (almost)=the Magic.
Thereby LeBron vs the Magic must be > to Kobe play vs the Magic.

You can look at that or you can study the stats including shooting % rebounds and assist, and they all favor LeBron as well as game winning shots, better at closing out games and better defense.
*Now this is not to say that Kobe is a bad player, or the Lakers are a bad team, it just says that the Lakers are a great team, and Kobe is mealy playing alright vs the Magic, and to compare his effort against one of the greatest efforts in the history of the NBA's finals is beyond far fetched.

Mike Tyson.... Is that you?

 

[RoadRage]

Lebron James averaged like 5 turnovers per game.

LeBron also handled the ball five times more than Kobe and unlike Kobe who has sharp shooters, two 7foot scores and teammates who can actually create and shoot off the dribble, LeBron got collapsed on hard in the paint, often by as much as 4 members of the Magic. They did not respect the outside game of the Cavs, and packed the paint. Most of LeBrons turn overs occur ed when he was exhausted (unlike Kobe he did not have the luxury of sitting and resting on the bench) and when he tried to split three defenders- many times he got called for a charge, or the ball go battered trying to do so. A thing of note: just about every time, Kobe went to the hole, during the last few games, his ball was either swatted or he missed, and this is with out the Magic collapsing and packing the paint!

 

[TimRock]

No one on Boston said that KG or Pierce was better than Kobe after Boston destroyed the Lakers last year. You Faker fans keep hearing with emotion rather than with fact and yall actually think I said that Kobe isn't shit and LeBron is the greatist! Calm down, take a deep breath, and wipe the sperm out your eyes and re-read what I said.

im not even going to quote all that, because most of it is pointless. And kind of irrelevant with a bunch of "ifs" "coulds" and "shoulds" (which makes me ask the question: are you thinking with facts?). How is that logic?

You asked if the Magic have gotten better, not they havent. As evident of their bread and butter play they like to run. And why were the lakers able to prevent it from being effective in OT?

You also

This game proves that LeBron > Kobe!
Kobe has a stacked deck and the only way he can win is if he
is on a team filled with superstars!​

​

​

You said the only way kobe can win is if he is on a team with superstars, correct? And i said, what about Ray, Pierce and KG, are they not on a team with other superstars? How many rings do they have seperately?

re: sperm in my eyes, i think you are the blind one, as you clearly (along with others) cant refrain from mentioning kobes name when its not needed. Everytime the lakers win, you come with some lame excuses. When cleveland lost, your excuse was lebron needed help, wait till next year when they get more money, etc. Where were those excuses during the 1st two rounds? I guess you are the one who was blinded. Its cool, you just look forward to next year. And i look forward to your next few posts about how kobe wouldnt have won without gasol, kobe needed all star players, while lebron really had none, etc.

 

[TimRock]

LeBron also handled the ball five times more than Kobe and unlike Kobe who has sharp shooters, two 7foot scores and teammates who can actually create and shoot off the dribble, LeBron got collapsed on hard in the paint, often by as much as 4 members of the Magic. They did not respect the outside game of the Cavs, and packed the paint. Most of LeBrons turn overs occur ed when he was exhausted (unlike Kobe he did not have the luxury of sitting and resting on the bench) and when he tried to split three defenders- many times he got called for a charge, or the ball go battered trying to do so. A thing of note: just about every time, Kobe went to the hole, during the last few games, his ball was either swatted or he missed, and this is with out the Magic collapsing and packing the paint!

more excuses. how exhausted can you be? you swept your first two opponents. thats more than enough time. how old is lebron? and hes exhausted already? wow, he didnt look tired against detroit and atlanta. never looked tired during the regular season. especially while resting during all those blow out wins. The cavs dont have players who can shoot the 3? seriously? Lebron kept getting called for charges or traveling huh? Maybe he should work on that. Develop some new moves. And if the magic collapsed on him so hard, why not kick to those teammates that he made better, unlike kobe, who cant make his teammates better.

 

[RoadRage]

Mike Tyson.... Is that you?

Would you say this logic is flawed, if so please stat where!

A:Lebron>>>>teammates (almost)=the Magic

True the Cavs almost beat the Magic with out much help from LeBrons teamates who shot horribly and him shooting nearly 60%

How about this one
B: Kobe<teammates (almost)=the Magic.

True: Kobe play was sub-par during most of the series, and almost lost two games for them in a row. Only to be bailed out by the likes of Gasol, Ariza, Fisher and Odom. and still if the Magic were to hit a easy lay up and make one out two free throws they would have been up 3-1

C:Now if A and B is true, then by the power of deduction C must be true!
Thereby LeBron vs the Magic must be > to Kobe play vs the Magic.

Dumb ass wont get it though!

 

[TheKingofVa]

As a Magic fan I say fuck Dwight Howard choking ass

 

[RoadRage]

You said the only way kobe can win is if he is on a team with superstars, correct? And i said, what about Ray, Pierce and KG, are they not on a team with other superstars? How many rings do they have seperately?

I would say yes, they have to win with a team filled with excellent players. But that is not a knock or an insult, most players need horses around them to win it all, and usually the one with the most horses, win the most.
In this case, Kobe has a team filled with a bunch of thoroughbreds, and he could barely beat the same team that LeBron almost beat playing with a bunch of donkeys!

 

[pookie]

The HATERS still at it i see. All this teammates, Lebron better, refs, Magic lost without the help of the Lakers talk is getting crazier and crazier by the day. You got niggas typing long ass paragraphs talking about some nigga sitting at home mad is better than someone still playing. What does it all mean in the end?? NOT A DAMN THING. Is this all supposed to make yall HATERS feel better if Kobe gets a ring this year?

 

[ak_rep]

LeBron also handled the ball five times more than Kobe and unlike Kobe who has sharp shooters,

Sharp shooters? Like whom?

Kobe doesn't have snipers waiting on the three point line:

Sasha (horrible shooting)
Fish (not shooting well)
Ariza (just showed up)
Jordan (not shooting well)

Lebron had:

Mo
Gibson
Wally World
Sasha
And Mr. West

Mr. West has a .40 three point shooting percentage.

Give it up man. Kobe has the same cards as far as "sharp shooters" that Lebron had.

He just demands them to perform well. Demands them. Unlike the prince Lebron James.

He just demands them to perform well. Demands them. Unlike the prince Lebron James.

Bottom line.

And are you going to even address the rebounds?

 

[RoadRage]

The HATERS still at it i see. All this teammates, Lebron better, refs, Magic lost without the help of the Lakers talk is getting crazier and crazier by the day. You got niggas typing long ass paragraphs talking about some nigga sitting at home mad is better than someone still playing. What does it all mean in the end?? NOT A DAMN THING. Is this all supposed to make yall HATERS feel better if Kobe gets a ring this year?

WTF dude??? I said Kobe is a great player and the Lakers are a great team, just becouse I refuse to lie and ignore all the stats plus what I saw with my own two eyes and said that Kobe played better against the Magic than LeBron I am a hater!
I even went as far as to break it down logically (note no one challenged me on my logic)
I even said that I think (not know) that Kobe is the 2nd best player right now in the NBA!
Just because I refuse to suck Kobe's dick I am hatin!
Fucken Stans are sperm drunk!

 

[TimRock]

I would say yes, they have to win with a team filled with excellent players. But that is not a knock or an insult, most players need horses around them to win it all, and usually the one with the most horses, win the most.
In this case, Kobe has a team filled with a bunch of thoroughbreds, and he could barely beat the same team that LeBron almost beat playing with a bunch of donkeys!

lebron almost beat the magic? when? an example of a team almost beating someone is orlando almost beat LA in games 2 and 4.

 

[pookie]

WTF dude??? I said Kobe is a great player and the Lakers are a great team, just becouse I refuse to lie and ignore all the stats plus what I saw with my own two eyes and said that Kobe played better against the Magic than LeBron I am a hater!
I even went as far as to break it down logically (note no one challenged me on my logic)
I even said that I think (not know) that Kobe is the 2nd best player right now in the NBA!
Just because I refuse to suck Kobe's dick I am hatin!
Fucken Stans are sperm drunk!

Nigga you actually think anybodyyyyyyyyy read all that shit you posted. Like i said why are you even bringing Lebron into this conversation that nigga sittin at home like this . I got one question, why do you feel the need to tell us that Kobe is the second best player in the NBA and use 8 paragraghs to try and explain why you feel that way? I thought Cranrab and Eewwll where bad but you challenging them for the crown and the worst thing about it is neither one of yall will just come out and say "yeah i'm a Kobe hater" but will make all kinds of threads and type all kinds of bullshit posts pointing that way

 

[Duffle_Bag]

No one on Boston said that KG or Pierce was better than Kobe after Boston destroyed the Lakers last year.

Pierce proclaimed himself the best player in the world after he won the Finals MVP.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ba...he-s-the-best-player-in-the-wor?urn=nba,96670

 

[RoadRage]

Sasha (horrible shooting)
Fish (not shooting well)
Ariza (just showed up)
Jordan (not shooting well)

Lebron had:

Mo
Gibson
Wally World
Sasha
And Mr. West

Ariza
Odom
Fisher
Gasol

Every Laker fan would have a heart attack if they were traded for

Williams
West
Sasha
Gibson
Big Z

If you don't think so, then you're dumber than a fucken deaf retarded convention after the free vodka shots are served!

 

[RoadRage]

Pierce proclaimed himself the best player in the world after he won the Finals MVP.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ba...he-s-the-best-player-in-the-wor?urn=nba,96670

Pierce is a fucken idiotic Dooshbag!​

 

[Maxxam]

Kenny "The Jet" Smith's twitter message from last night:

"why are there so many Laker haters and not really Magic fans? Dont front most of yall own no magic memorabilia! Laker fans have purple cars!"



Iggy's twitter messages:

"the marshmellow roast (@dwighthoward in camping out in paint) has finally been interrupted!!!

what a game! hard to beat the lakers in OT...Thats why i shot that 3 even though we were down 2 back in march (sorry lakers fans)"



Ron Artest:

"BYNUM FOULS WAITRESSES WHEN HE GOES OUT TO EAT"

 

[Duffle_Bag]

Pierce is a fucken idiotic Dooshbag!​

He was right though. He outplayed the MVP and I can't be mad at that statement even though I'm a Lakers fan.

 

[pookie]

lebron almost beat the magic? when? an example of a team almost beating someone is orlando almost beat LA in games 2 and 4.

Like someone said earlier, cats coming in here with so many ALMOST, IFS, COULDA, SHOULDA, WOULDAs that all you can do is laugh

 

[RoadRage]

Nigga you actually think anybodyyyyyyyyy read all that shit you posted. Like i said why are you even bringing Lebron into this conversation that nigga sittin at home like this . I got one question, why do you feel the need to tell us that Kobe is the second best player in the NBA and use 8 paragraghs to try and explain why you feel that way? I thought Cranrab and Eewwll where bad but you challenging them for the crown and the worst thing about it is neither one of yall will just come out and say "yeah i'm a Kobe hater" but will make all kinds of threads and type all kinds of bullshit posts pointing that way

Because many Stans try to use the "because my team is great Kobe must be great argument" as soon as they win! Note Spur fan and Celtic fans, never tried to pull that bullshit fuckery, when their teams won. You never heard the Spurs say, that Ducan is just as good as Jordan, or the Celtics say Pierce is better than Kobe, just because they won! Yet Stans always bring it up when they win!
Like I said over and over again, I have nothing against true Laker fans, or normal Kobe supporters, but yall faggot obsessed Stans got to fucken go!

 

[RoadRage]

He was right though. He outplayed the MVP and I can't be mad at that statement even though I'm a Lakers fan.

He had a better series and had a better supporting cast, but trust me, he aint better than Kobe!

 

[pookie]

Because many Stans try to use the "because my team is great Kobe must be great argument" as soon as they win! Note Spur fan and Celtic fans, never tried to pull that bullshit fuckery, when their teams won. You never heard the Spurs say, that Ducan is just as good as Jordan, or the Celtics say Pierce is better than Kobe, just because they won! Yet Stans always bring it up when they win!
Like I said over and over again, I have nothing against true Laker fans, or normal Kobe supporters, but yall faggot obsessed Stans got to fucken go!

And you think by you and those that think like typing all that shit they gonna be like "Oh man, i never looked at it like that until RoadRage broke it all down for me, i have totally changed my views". The answer is HELLLLLLLLLLL NO, all they gonna do is call you what you are and that is a whattttttttttttttttt?

 

[ak_rep]

Ariza
Odom
Fisher
Gasol

Every Laker fan would have a heart attack if they were traded for

Williams
West
Sasha
Gibson
Big Z

How did we jump from "sharp shooters" to this?

How did we jump from "sharp shooters" to this?

And Ariza is overrated as hell. Fish is a hack machine but just heartless and smart. Gasol is soft as hell. And Odom is a nap machine.

West is more productive than Ariza.
Mo Williams is better than Fisher, skill wise.

If you don't think so, then you're dumber than a fucken deaf retarded convention after the free vodka shots are served!

Stop this. Keep debating or fall back.

 

[TimRock]

I have nothing against true Laker fans, or normal Kobe supporters, but yall faggot obsessed Stans got to fucken go!

so what do you call those who hate kobe, but cant seem to stop talking about him? I mean, how hard is it to ignore what someone else says. How does someone saying kobe is the greatest effect you? Fine you dont like Kobe, why go in every thread and mention him, like you've done before? Ive seen you come in a basketball thread titles something that has nothing to do with kobe, but yet, you are the first to mention him, for no reason. What are these type of people called?

 

[pookie]

so what do you call those who hate kobe, but cant seem to stop talking about him? I mean, how hard is it to ignore what someone else says. How does someone saying kobe is the greatest effect you? Fine you dont like Kobe, why go in every thread and mention him, like you've done before? Ive seen you come in a basketball thread titles something that has nothing to do with kobe, but yet, you are the first to mention him, for no reason. What are these type of people called?

EXACTLY, now you tell me who seems more obsessed

a fan typing something like this

Kobe is the G.O.A.T.

or a HATER typing this

No one on Boston said that KG or Pierce was better than Kobe after Boston destroyed the Lakers last year. You Faker fans keep hearing with emotion rather than with fact and yall actually think I said that Kobe isn't shit and LeBron is the greatist! Calm down, take a deep breath, and wipe the sperm out your eyes and re-read what I said, I said, that based on how both players played against the Magic, it clearly shows that LeBron is the better player. Now here are my reasons, (now follow closely)
The Magic should be up 3-1 (if not for a missed lay-up and a miss foul-shot (the shot lights out against the Cavs and made very few against them, while making unforced mistakes against the Lakers -what you gonna say its the Lakers D that cause them to miss all those free-throws yesterday, and LeBrons lack of D that cause them to hit those same free throws against the Cavs?) That said, it is easy to see that the Lakers are fairing not that much better than the Cavs (who could have been up 3-1 vs the Magic if it the ball would have bounce right, just once for them) Now I am gonna use some logic-101 terms, so if your thinking with your heart you gonna be lost- Being that both teams played similar vs a similar opponent, you have to examine the variables. First has the Magic played or gotten better vs the Lakers? Everybody in their right mind would say no. Do LeBron have a better surrounding cast, maybe this could count for them both having similar results, - Actually Kobe has a much better cast of player (better in every position bench and coach), so the only logical explanation for why for both teams to play almost identical, against an a identical opponent, "even though the Magic are now playing worse now than they did against the CAvs" and the Cavs team has much overall talent than the Lakers.
This can only means that LeBron + a bunch of little support teamates (almost)= the play of the entire Laker team, including Kobe. and if the Laker team play has been superior to Kobe's and LeBron's play much greater than the play of his mates it stands to reason, by using deductive resoning that LeBron play vs the Magic must be superior to Kobe's play vs the same team.

Lets look at the equation another way Lebron>>>>teammates (almost)=the Magic (while) <Kobe<teamates (almost)=the Magic.
Thereby LeBron vs the Magic must be > to Kobe play vs the Magic.

You can look at that or you can study the stats including shooting % rebounds and assist, and they all favor LeBron as well as game winning shots, better at closing out games and better defense.
*Now this is not to say that Kobe is a bad player, or the Lakers are a bad team, it just says that the Lakers are a great team, and Kobe is mealy playing alright vs the Magic, and to compare his effort against one of the greatest efforts in the history of the NBA's finals is beyond far fetched.

It will take the average fan like 35 seconds to type what they want but the average HATER needs at least 2 hours to hunt down all the stats, article and history that they need so they can make a post